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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:29 AM
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Can we be clear on something Bill Clinton was a good President
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 10:30 AM by Jake3463
He wasn't a great President. He wasn't a terrible President. He was a good President. His administration was competent and balanced the budget. He has many successes internationally and domestically. He also had some failures and some bad policies (NAFTA, deregulation of banking, Healthcare). However in balance his successes are bigger than his failures.

The reason he wasn't great is because great Presidents are the ones who faced a national crisis and pull the country through it or set the country in a new direction or both. There are probably 4-5 great Presidents. Only 10-15% of our Presidents were Great in my opinion. It isn't Bill Clinton's fault he wasn't great. The political enviroment wasn't ripe for him to take the country in a sweeping new direction and the problems he dealt with never rose to the level faced by other Presidents. Washington, Jefferson Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Wilson, and FDR. Come to mind when I think of Great Presidents. Also keep in mind all of these people were flawed men so they have a few personal and character flaws however on balance they left the country better off than when they found it.

Having people from the last good President we've had in the White House is not a bad thing. They have experience and they know the mistakes they made last time so hopefully they'll make new mistakes not the same ones again. Than includes Hillary Clinton BTW.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:32 AM
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1. Some failures? NAFTA and banking deregulation (which gave us this financial meltdown)
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 10:33 AM by Skwmom
are not just some failures.

The financial meltdown has yet begun. Wait until it really gets started.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:33 AM
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3. There was more to our current economic situation
than just NAFTA and the banking regulations.

If we would have continued on the path he set of balanced budgets this would be a 2 quarter recession not the threat of another great depression.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:54 AM
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18. Fun fact: the US economy went into recession in March 2001.
The vaunted growth of the Clinton years was already halted by the time he left office, with the collapse of the tech bubble.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:02 AM
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25. Yet our Budget Surplus
enabled us to weather the storm very quickly.

There are going to always be recessions. Its long recessions and depressions that are the killers.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:05 AM
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27. This is not just a recession. Thanks to free trade and deregulation jobs have
fled this country and the financial system is melting down.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:08 AM
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30. Its not just that
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 11:09 AM by Jake3463
No country can cut taxxes and gone to war. The devaluation of our currency is a significant player in this mess.

BTW I'm from Allentown, PA our industrial jobs left 6 years before Bill Clinton ever took his oath.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:21 AM
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39. Bush has helped to destroy this country, but that doesn't change the part that Clinton played.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:02 PM
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82. Clinton merely built on what Reagan and Bush 1 started
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 02:02 PM by dflprincess
Don't forget he was happy to help weaken the social safety net with his welfare "reform" while supporting moves that sent good jobs overseas.

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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:31 AM
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51. Manufacturing jobs began to move out of the country roughly 6 months before then
thanks to NAFTA.

My husband's 3rd layoff was due to this (worked for AMP, out of PA). Their product was part of the computer tech sector and the writing was on the wall as soon as the effects from NAFTA began to take effect. He did change manufacturing sectors completely (went to pharmaceutical, a bit more stable and due to FDA regs must have a certain percentage produced in the US). Yeah, we were pissed w/Clinton for a long time about this (we had to uproot the family and leave an area we loved because no jobs for him in the area). I'm over it now, and see that overall he was a decent prez (especially compared to who was in office the past 8 years!). But NAFTA was a HUGE mistake--that was when our American manufacturing jobs really began to flee the country.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:48 PM
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93. NAFTA was huge, but not a mistake.
It was deliberate. :mad:
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:35 AM
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6. You sound like a RWer blaming this economic mess on Clinton.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:06 AM
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28. Well, I don't believe in being a right wing apologists who thinks Bush did no wrong and was
great for this country.

This economic mess is courtesy of the Clintons and the Republicans and no amount of denying the facts is going to change that.
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MarthaMyDear Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:34 PM
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133. When you say "Clintons"...do you think Hillary had some hand in the economic problems now?
I don't think so, but just wonder why you blame the entire family...

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:48 AM
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13. sigh... not matter how many times it's debunked, some people...
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:07 AM
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29. Debunked? I remember people warning Clinton about NAFTA and about deregulation and
exactly what they warned about has come to pass (so I don't know what debunking you are talking about).
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:47 AM
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64. uh huh, debunked
I mean, in the real world, you memory of some vague warnings don't constitute what you're claiming.

Perhaps if you had some documented evidence...
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #64
67. There is plenty of documented evidence out there. Repeating the words
debunked a thousand times will not change the facts or the truth.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #67
73. well let's see it.
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 12:35 PM by wyldwolf
The, look up the definition of veto-proof.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #73
88. And then look up Clinton's speech
when he passed it. He was happy to sign it.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:42 PM
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91. still looking for that documented evidence
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:00 PM
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100. It is online
look it up.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:21 PM
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103. not my job to look it up. That falls to the one who makes the claim.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 05:09 PM
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108. Whatever
it has been discussed ad nauseum on this board. You made the first claim.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #108
121. it's called "burden of proof."
No I didn't.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:02 PM
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94. SEE: Ross Perot, Presidential Debates, 1991.
"That Giant Sucking Sound...."

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:20 PM
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102. yeah, I often refer to Ross Perot for guidance on things, too... not.
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 04:23 PM by wyldwolf
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:10 PM
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114. Ross Perot was exactly right.
Bill Clinton was exactly WRONG.

For guidance, I prefer to go to people with at track record of being right.

Besides, you asked for a reference that you said didn't exist.
I gave it to you.

Bill Clinton was WRONG,
and so are you.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:05 PM
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122. how so?
From 1993 to 2007, trade among the NAFTA nations more than tripled, from $297 billion to $930 billion. Business investment in the United States has risen by 117 percent since 1993, compared to a 45 percent increase between 1979 and 1993.

U.S. employment rose from 110.8 million people in 1993 to 137.6 million in 2007, an increase of 24 percent. The average unemployment rate was 5.1 percent in the period 1994-2007, compared to 7.1 percent during the period 1980-1993.

U.S. manufacturing output rose by 58 percent between 1993 and 2006, as compared to 42 percent between 1980 and 1993. Manufacturing exports in 2007 reached an all time high with a value of $982 billion.

U.S. business sector real hourly compensation rose by 1.3 percent each year between 1993 and 2007, for a total of 19.3 percent over the full period. During 1979-1993, the annual rate of real hourly compensation rose by 0.8 percent each year, or 11 percent over the full 14-year period.

Canada and Mexico accounted for 37% of the total growth of U.S. agricultural exports since 1993. Moreover, the share of total U.S. agricultural exports destined for Canada or Mexico has grown from 22% in 1993 to 30% in 2007. NAFTA access is most crucial for agriculture, where Mexico has its highest MFN tariffs. Mexico is the top export destination for beef, rice, soybean meal, corn sweeteners, apples and dry edible bean exports. It is the second export market for U.S. corn, soybeans and oils, and third largest for pork, poultry, eggs, and cotton.

Mexican wages grew steadily after the 1994 peso crisis, reached pre-crisis levels in 1997; and have increased each year since. Several studies note that Mexican industries that export or that are in regions with a higher concentration of foreign investment and trade also have higher wages.

NAFTA created two binational institutions unique to the agreement which certify and finance environmental infrastructure projects to provide a clean and healthy environment for residents along the U.S.-Mexico border. To date, they have provided nearly $1 billion for 135 environmental infrastructure projects with a total estimated cost of $2.89 billion and allocated $33.5 million in assistance and $21.6 million in grants for over 450 other border environmental projects. The Mexican government has also made substantial new investments in environmental protection, increasing the federal budget for the environmental sector by 81% between 2003 and 2008.

Source: USTR.gov

Seems Perot (and you) are exactly wrong.



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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #29
104. Ross Perot comes to mind as one of those people
who warned of future NAFTA problems. Remember that "giant sucking sound" statement.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:24 AM
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:29 AM
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49. The repeal of Glass-Steagall that Clinton signed into law...
paved the way for those collateralised debt obligations. And when asked he defended it and said he'd do it again.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 12:30 PM
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75. It wasnt the ability to sell them but rather the quantity of sales by Fannie and freddie
Which was based on tacit approval from the Bush admin. This and Bernanke inching rates up in order ot "prevent a crash" is what caused it. When housing slowed down and the balloons came in, Bernanke had the interest rate up real high. ARMS started to default and the whole thing came tumbling down.

He tried to deflate an overinflated balloon with a needle.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:57 AM
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69. Bush played a huge role, but that doesn't change the fact that Clinton
also played a role in this debacle.
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Thegonagle Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 05:15 PM
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109. Let's not forget broadcast deregulation that he signed into law
in the 1996 Telecommunications Act that made behemoths like Clear Channel possible, while effectively closing the door for anybody other than the ultra-rich to start up a radio or TV station.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:23 PM
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119. Clinton caused financial meltdown ? ur smokin rightwing weed
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 06:23 PM by democracy1st
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:24 PM
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127. The Bush administration retracted every protection Clinton put in place


To protect American workers and safe guard the banking system...

I am not saying I agree with him on some of these policies, but it is unfair to pin the current situation on him. Bush can take a great big bow on that one.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:33 AM
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2. Great politician. Squandered opportunities -- healthcare, energy issues
needed to be solved then. His admin was distracted with side issues from the start and then go futher embroiled in the republican agenda.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:44 AM
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9. Healthcare
wasn't entirely his fault. More people were covered by their employers and were not facing the sharing of the cost they do now. The insurance industry was very effective of killing any reform.

As for energy. Gas was cheaper than ever. Hard to get people to buy into conservation and efficiency when the commodity is cheaper than it has ever been.

After 1994 the country was a center right country. The scandals in congress (nothing compared to what has gone on between 2001-2006) helped kill our majorities. Even from 1993-1995 democrats killed alot of his policy proposals.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:12 AM
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35. I agree with you that the fact that many people
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 11:16 AM by karynnj
had good employer provided health care meant that there were fewer who felt that it was something for them. I do think though that part of the blame is the Clintons. Part of that was that they were not from DC and HRC's style of working - which was to take charge without pulling in others. This likely was a style that worked well for her (and Bill) in Arkansas.

It didn't work well in the Congress. Had she early on pulled in Senators like Kennedy and Bradley (and similar Congressmen), who had long worked on these issues - she would not just have gained their experience and knowledge on health care, but she would have gotten their insight in what could pass. Additionally, she could have even gained them as allies for passing this. As it was, she ended up with a package that the entire Finance Committee (which had a Democratic majority) opposed. Bill Bradley then and later spoke of the fact that they COULD have passed a good bill.

In 1997, in a Congress with 55 Republican, Kennedy (with Kerry and Dodd as co-sponsors) worked with Orin Hatch to transform a children's Healthcare bill that Kennedy and Kerry wrote in such a way that it could pass in a far tougher environment. This was S-CHIP.

I think on energy that Clinton was scared of being "Jimmy Carter". It was obvious that we needed to do this before it was a crisis. I have read accounts by both Gore and Kerry where they spoke of being proud that the 1992 Rio conference had identified the global warming problem before it was an imminent crisis. What Clinton had the luxury of doing was pushing a technological revolution to make things more energy efficient. Clinton could have enthusiastically promoted this (as Kerry did in 2004, though only CSPAN viewers saw that part of the stump speech he gave every day.) Instead, very little was done. In fact, because SUVs weren't counted as cars and CAFE standards weren't raised - real energy efficiency went down.

I think that Clinton's saving grace when judged by history will be that he was bracketed by Bushs. The tragedy was that he was extremely talented and parts of his personality (the quick temper and quickness to consider people enemies - as well as the more obvious) kept him from really leading in the way it seemed he could in the bright heady days of November 1992.

I agree that the years Clinton was President were ones where it would have been hard to be seen as an outstanding President. In reality, there were things - like on energy and healthcare - that he could have done that would have made a HUGE difference. Ironically, we would like not even realize how important those things were - as we would never see this future
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:25 PM
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128. Very true. The country wasn't in enough crisis for big change (and sadly THAT is when it happens)
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:34 AM
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4. knr! Exactly.
Obama is facing a point in time where he could be a great President. This is what Presidents really want, to have that chance. Clinton very well could have been a great one, but he was not "tested" in that way.

He was very good, and the people around him good. Obama is doing just fine getting his team together. He knows what he is doing. People need to chill out, and watch him for a while before the start moaning and groaning.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:35 AM
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5. Bill Clinton was a mediocre president.
He accomplished litttle of lasting significance. And in historical context the deregulation of banking under his administration was a significant contributing factor to the current woes of the financial sector and the overall economy, which makes him Coolidge to Bush's Hoover.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:45 AM
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10. The budget surplus
was a significant achievement. However, * killed that in one year after him leaving the White House.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:51 AM
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16. It was an ephemeral achievement, not a significant one.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:04 AM
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26. Yes he was the first one to do it
In how many administrations?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:30 AM
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50. The budget surplus might actually be seen as a result of forces
that caused the current crisis. The reason for the surplus was the capital gains windfall to the treasury because of the inflated rise in value for stocks, especially the dot.com ones. That bubble started to burst in 2000. People still had huge capital gains when they sold in 2000 - and many faced difficulty paying the tax on them by April 2001 if the money was re-invested in stocks that then took huge hits. The gains were less in 2001 - pulling down IRS revenues in 2002.

Even then there were economists (Krugman in the Great Unravelling) who spoke of the fact that stocks were still overvalued.

Bush's tax cuts made things worse and the wars made things worse. Additionally further deregulation from 2001 - 2004, with the de-regulation under Clinton - created the current crisis. It is impossible to know if Gore would have allowed the things to pass that Bush did. Gore was not an advocate of regulation. The big problem was that people who were trusted - like Greenspan - advised people that derivatives and swaps were safe - and they weren't. No one intended to create a crisis.
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:40 AM
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7. Clinton MAY have been a "Good" President....
But he was certainly not a particularly Democratic one...
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:47 AM
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12. I'm sure President Dole
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 10:47 AM by Jake3463
would have been awesome. You have to remember the political winds at the time. During his first term he may have had a great electoral college win but only 43% of the electorate voted for him.
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:40 AM
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8. Sorry, Dupe N/T
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 10:41 AM by catnhatnh
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:45 AM
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11. I would say Bill Clinton was a "fair" President.
The good came with the bad, and there was both under his 8 year tenure.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:50 AM
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14. Just curious ... to everyone who doens't believe he was a good president...
...name a good president who served in your life time.

Then name a good president in general. No, name five. I'm just curious of what your standards are.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:52 AM
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17. I think "good ": is just too vague.
In many ways, I believe Clinton was a "good" president, but I believe that he could have been a much better one, had his first few months not been such a disaster.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:56 AM
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19. well, I agree with both your points ... BUT...
... I can find a multitude of reasons to declare the presidents we consider excellent were not really that great.

So it's all relative.
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blueclown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:00 AM
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23. First few months?
It really was the first two years. With all the political capital Bill had, he could have done a lot more during his first 2 years. But despite that, he recovered over his last 6 years and became a very good president.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #17
24. Some of these I'll get flamed for
Great Presidents
Washington
Jefferson
Lincoln
Teddy Roosevelt
Wilson
FDR

Good Presidents
Clinton
Reagan (His policies sucked but he implemented his agenda which I hate so I give that to him)
Eisenhower
Truman
Jackson
Monroe
Madison

OK
Carter
Ford
Bush I
Johnson (mostly on civil rights disaster on Vietnam)
Nixon

Awful
Bush II
Grant
Hoover
Coolidge
Buchanan

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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 01:59 PM
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80. LBJ should also get credit for his "Great Society" programs
he was trying to build on what FDR started. It's a tragedy that he let Vietnam get the better of him.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:22 PM
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85. If it weren't for those and Civil Rights
He's be in the awful category. Vietnam was worse than Iraq.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:27 PM
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89. I agree. (eom)
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:27 PM
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107. Ditto
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #24
116. I'd say Viet Nam makes Johnson good instead of great
and Andrew Jackson was a murdering devil and should be no better than OK.
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S_E_Fudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:20 PM
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117. JFK had a disastrous first few months...
Lincoln suspended habeus corpus

Adams signed the ALien and Sedition laws

Jefferson supported nullification which nearly led to civil war

Jackson...trail of tears

Roosevelt incarcerated a whole group of people based on their race...



Every President has had significant flaws and made significant mistakes...does not preclude greatness
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:51 AM
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15. Yes he was a good, competent president especially when compared to last eight years.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:56 AM
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20. and when compared to the 24 years before
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blueclown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:57 AM
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21. Some times I think I'm on Free Republic with the endless Clinton bashing. n/t
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:26 AM
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46. Ain't that the truth. nt
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vssmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 01:22 PM
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79. Michael Moore said Clinton was a good Republican President
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:23 PM
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87. I like Michael Moore, alot, however,
He also said there was no difference between Al Gore and George W. Bush in 2000 and campaigned for Nader.

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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:23 PM
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99. When Michael Moore can name
one republican president that would have put Ginsberg and Breyer on the court, I'll listen to what he has to say about this particular topic.
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vssmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:12 PM
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131. Eisenhower put Earl Warren on the court
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 10:14 PM by vssmith
Besides he said Clinton was a GOOD Republican President
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:04 PM
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95. It goes ON and ON and ON and ON. It is unbelievable.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:58 AM
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22. hey: nafta was drafted by Bush, Mulroney and Salinas, not Bill Clinton nt
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:09 AM
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33. Who pushed to pass it AND got it passed? Clinton.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:42 AM
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59. pushed to do so by the business roundtable (usa*nafta) and gullible publics here & mexico nt
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:09 AM
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an ok pres. although horrible for liberals.
i really hated him, had to pinch nose twice.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:10 AM
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34. FYI
Obama is really going to make you mad at times over the next 4 years.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:15 AM
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36. i dont see how if he keeps supporting the Constitution
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 11:15 AM by meow mix
im already estactic with obama, if he steps on the feds and keeps them out of state affairs ill be even happier.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:27 AM
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47. Yes, FISA was a hint of things to come. nt
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:27 AM
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48. He isn't going to be Dennis Kucinich
Which is going to surprise some people on here.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:36 AM
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53. True on both counts. But I think he'll be a good president. nt
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:45 AM
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61. So do I
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:09 AM
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31. Here are a few accomplishments from the Clinton administration
A NATION TRANSFORMED

Clinton-Gore Administration Accomplishments: 1993 - 2000

For the past seven and a half years, President Clinton and Vice President Gore have been guided by three core values: building a community of all Americans; creating opportunity for all Americans; and demanding responsibility from all Americans. Pursuing policies based on these values has resulted in tremendous progress for our nation, and a strong America at the dawn of the 21st Century. The President and Vice President are committed to a "New Opportunity Agenda" to build on our progress and expand our prosperity until it reaches every corner of the nation.

Economy: the Strongest Economy in a Generation

Longest Economic Expansion in U.S. History. In February 2000, the United States entered the 107th consecutive month of economic expansion -- the longest economic expansion in history.

Moving From Record Deficits to Record Surplus. In 1992, the Federal budget deficit was $290 billion - the largest dollar deficit in American history. In January 1993, the Congressional Budget Office projected that the deficit would grow to $455 billion by 2000. The Office of Management and Budget is now projecting a surplus of at least $230 billion for 2000 - the third consecutive surplus and the largest surplus ever, even after adjusting for inflation. Compared with original projections, that is over $685 billion less in government drain on the economy and over $685 billion more potentially available for private investment in this one year alone. The 2000 surplus is projected to be 2.4 percent of GDP -- the largest surplus as a share of GDP since 1948. This is the first time we have had three surpluses in a row in more than a half century, and it is the second consecutive surplus excluding Social Security.

Paying Off the National Debt. In July 2000, the Treasury Department announced that the United States will pay off $221 billion of debt this year -- the largest one-year debt pay down in American history. This will be the third consecutive year of debt reduction, bringing the three-year total to $360 billion. Public debt is on track to be $2.4 trillion lower in 2000 than was projected in 1993. Debt reduction brings real benefits for the American people -- a family with a home mortgage of $100,000 might expect to save roughly $2,000 per year in mortgage payments. Reduced debt also means lower interest rates and reduced payments on car loans and student loans. With the President's plan, we are now on track to eliminate the nation's publicly held debt by at least 2012.

More Than 22 Million New Jobs. 22.2 million new jobs have been created since 1993, the most jobs ever created under a single Administration -- and more new jobs than Presidents Reagan and Bush created during their three terms. 92 percent (20 million) of the new jobs have been created in the private sector, the highest percentage in 50 years. Under President Clinton and Vice President Gore, the economy has added an average of 248,000 jobs per month, the highest under any President. This compares to 52,000 per month under President Bush and 167,000 per month under President Reagan.

Fastest and Longest Real Wage Growth in Over Three Decades. In the last 12 months, average hourly earnings have increased 3.8 percent -- faster than the rate of inflation. The United States has had five consecutive years of real wage growth -- the longest consecutive increase since the 1960s. Since 1993, real wages are up 6.5 percent, after declining 4.3 percent during the Reagan and Bush years.

Household Income Breaks $40,000 for First Time in History. Income for median households rose $1,072, or 2.7 percent, from $39,744 in 1998 to $40,816, marking an unprecedented fifth year of significant growth in income. In 1999, the median income of African American households increased from $25,911 in 1998 to $27,910 -- an increase of $1,999, or 7.7 percent, which is the largest one-year increase ever recorded. The income of the median Hispanic household, adjusted for inflation, increased from $28,956 in 1998 to $30,735 in 1999 -- an increase of $1,779, or 6.1 percent, which is the largest one-year increase ever recorded.

Unemployment is the Lowest in Over Three Decades. Unemployment is down from 7.5 percent in 1992 to 3.9 percent in September, the lowest in more than three decades. The unemployment rate has fallen for seven years in a row, and has remained below 5 percent for 37 months in a row -- over three full years. Unemployment for African-Americans fell to the lowest level ever recorded, and for Hispanics it remains at historic lows.


Highest Homeownership Rate in History. The homeownership rate reached 67.2 percent in the second quarter of 2000 -- the highest ever recorded. Minority homeownership rates were also the highest ever recorded. In contrast, the homeownership rate fell from 65.6 percent in the first quarter of 1981 to 63.7 percent in the first quarter of 1993. There are almost 9 million more homeowners than in 1993.

Lowest Poverty Rate Since 1979. In 1999, the poverty rate dropped from 12.7 percent to 11.8 percent, the lowest rate in two decades. Since President Clinton and Vice President Gore passed their Economic Plan in 1993, the poverty rate has declined from 15.1 percent in 1993 to 11.8 percent in 1999 - the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years (1964-1970). There are now 7 million fewer people in poverty than in 1993, and over 2.2 million, or over 30 percent, of this decline occurred during the past year.

Largest One-Year Drop in Child Poverty in More than Three Decades. Under President Clinton and Vice President Gore child poverty has dropped by 25.6 percent -- from 22.7 percent in 1993 to 16.9 percent in 1999. While this is still too high, it is the lowest child poverty rate since 1979 and includes the largest one-year decline since 1966, which occurred from 1998 to 1999. The African American child poverty rate has fallen 28.2 percent since 1993, and dropped from 36.7 percent in 1998 to 33.1 percent in 1999 -- the largest one-year drop in history and the lowest level on record (data collected since 1959). The Hispanic child poverty rate has fallen by 26 percent since 1993, and dropped from 25.6 percent in 1998 to 22.8 percent in 1999 -- the lowest level since 1979.

Families and Communities: Strengthening America's Working Families

Tax Cuts for Working Families. 15 million additional working families received additional tax relief because of the President's expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit. In 1999, the EITC lifted 4.1 million people out of poverty - nearly double the number lifted out of poverty by the EITC in 1993. This year, the President proposed expanding the EITC to provide tax relief to an additional 6.8 million hard-pressed working families.

Helping Parents Balance Work and Family. The Family and Medical Leave Act allows workers to take up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave to care for seriously ill family members, new born or adoptive children, or their own serious health problems without fear of losing their jobs. Nearly 91 million workers (71% of the labor force) are covered by the Family and Medical Leave Act and millions of workers have benefited from FMLA since its enactment. President Clinton has proposed expanding FMLA to allow workers to take up to 24 unpaid hours off each year for school and early childhood education activities, routine family medical care, and caring for an elderly relative.

Improved Access to Affordable, Quality Child Care and Early Childhood Programs. Under the Clinton-Gore Administration, federal funding for child care has more than doubled, helping parents pay for the care of about 1.5 million children in 1998, and the1996 welfare reform law increased child care funding by $4 billion over six years to provide child care assistance to families moving from welfare to work. Since 1993, the Clinton-Gore Administration has increased funding for the Head Start program by 90 percent, and in FY 2000, the program will serve approximately 880,000 children - over 160,000 more children than in 1993.

Increased the Minimum Wage. The minimum wage has risen from $4.25 to $5.15 per hour, increasing wages for 10 million workers. The President and Vice President have called for an additional increase to $6.15 over two years.

Enacted the Workforce Investment Act. The Workforce Investment Act reformed the nation's employment and training system so that it works better for today's workers. The WIA empowered individuals by giving adults more control and choice over their training or retraining and providing universal access to core labor market services; streamlined job training services by consolidating a tangle of individual programs into a simple system and creating a nationwide network of One-Stop Career Centers; enhanced accountability through tough performance standards for states, localities, and training providers; and increased flexibility so that states can innovate and experiment with new ways to train America's workers better. All 50 states are now up and running and the number of One-Stops has reached 1,200 nationwide.

Signed the Adoption and Safe Families Act. The Adoption and Safe Families Act, which was based in large part on the recommendations of the Clinton-Gore Administration's Adoption 2002 report, made sweeping changes in adoption law so that thousands of children in foster care move more quickly into safe and permanent homes. In 1999, 46,000 foster care children were adopted - more than a 64 percent increase since 1996 and well on the way to meeting the President's goal of doubling the number of adoptions from 28,000 in 1996 to 56,000 by 2002.

Putting Families First. The President and Vice President developed and implemented first-ever plan to protect our children from tobacco and end tobacco marketing targeted to young people. They also required the installation of V-chips in all new televisions, and encouraged schools to adopt school uniform policies to deter school violence and promote discipline.

Supporting Community Service. In just five years, AmeriCorps has allowed 150,000 young people to serve in their communities while earning money for college or skills training.

President's One America Initiative. President Clinton has led the nation in an effort to become One America: a place where we respect others' differences and embrace the common values that unite us. The President has been actively involved in public outreach efforts to engage Americans in this historic effort, and followed up on the work of the Initiative on Race by appointing Robert B. (Ben) Johnson as Assistant to the President and Director of the new White House Office on the President's Initiative for One America. The office is working to ensure that we have a coordinated strategy to close the opportunity gaps that exist for minorities and the underserved in this country, and build the One America we want for all of our nation's children. The President's FY 2001 budget includes $5 million for One America dialogues to promote and facilitate discussions on racial diversity and understanding. President Clinton has also appointed the most diver! se Cabinet and White House staff in history, presiding over an Administration that looks like America.

Welcoming New Americans. Since 1993, the United States has welcomed 4.4 million new American citizens. Faced with this unprecedented number of applications, the Administration undertook an initiative that has significantly reduced the backlog of citizenship applications and is restoring timely processing. Furthermore, the Administration's English as a Second Language/Civics Education Initiative will provide limited English speaking adults with instruction in both English literacy and critical life skills necessary for effective citizenship and civic participation.

Providing Fairness for Legal Immigrants. The President believes that legal immigrants should have the same economic opportunity and bear the same responsibility as other members of society. In 1997 and 1998, the President fought for and succeeded in restoring disability, health and nutritional benefits for certain legal immigrants, and he will continue to press for additional restorations. The President and Vice President have also taken executive actions to ensure that immigrants who are eligible for benefits are not deterred by language or other access barriers.

Education: Largest Investment in Education in 30 Years

Opening the Doors of College to All Americans. President Clinton proposed and enacted the HOPE Scholarships and Lifetime Learning tax credits, which in 1999 were claimed by an estimated 10 million American families struggling to pay for college. The HOPE Scholarship helps make the first two years of college universally available by providing a tax credit of up to $1,500 for tuition and fees for the first two years of college. The Lifetime Learning Tax Credit provides a 20 percent tax credit on the first $5,000 of tuition and fees for students beyond the first two years of college, or taking classes part-time (in 2003, this increases to $10,000 of tuition and fees). In his FY 2001 budget, the President has proposed expanding the Lifetime Learning tax credit with a College Opportunity tax cut, which will give families the option of taking a tax deduction or claiming a 28 percent credit for the first $5,000 of college tuition and fees until 2002, and $10,000 thereaft! er.

Expanding Work Study and Pell Grants. One million students can now work their way through college because of the President's expansion of the Work Study Program, and nearly four million students will receive a Pell Grant of up to $3,300, the largest maximum award ever. The maximum award has increased 43 percent under the Clinton-Gore Administration. This year President Clinton proposed a $77 million increase in Work Study to continue to support one million awards, and a $200 increase in the Pell Grant maximum award, to raise it to $3,500.

Making College More Affordable. The Clinton-Gore Administration has cut student fees and interest rates on all loans, expanded repayment options including income contingent repayment, and improved service through the Direct Loan Program. Students have saved $8.7 billion since 1993 through the reduction in loan fees and interest rates.

More High-Quality Teachers with Smaller Class Sizes. The Clinton-Gore Administration won a second installment of $1.3 billion for the President's plan to hire an additional 100,000 well-prepared teachers to reduce class size in the early grades, when children learn to read and master the basic skills. Already, 29,000 teachers have been hired through this initiative. This year's budget provides $1.75 billion, a $450 million increase -- enough to fund nearly 49,000 teachers.

Turning Around Failing Schools. 11 million low-income students in 13,000 school districts now benefit from higher expectations and a challenging curriculum geared to higher standards through Title I-Aid to Disadvantaged Students. The FY 2000 budget provides a $134 million accountability fund to help turn around the worst performing schools through such measures as overhauling curriculum, improving staffing, or even closing schools and reopening them as charter schools. This year, the President is proposing to nearly double investment in this fund to $250 million to help ensure all children receive a quality education.

Providing Safe After-School Opportunities for 850,000 Students Each Year. The 21st Century Community Learning Centers program will provide enriching after-school and summer school opportunities for 850,000 school-age children in rural and urban communities in FY 2000. Extended learning time has not only been shown to increase achievement in reading and math, but to decrease youth violence and drug use. Funding for this program more than doubled from FY 1999 to FY 2000. For FY 2001, the President's budget calls on Congress to invest $1 billion in 21st Century Community Learning Centers and to ensure that all children in failing schools have access to quality after-school and summer school opportunities. This proposal will double funding and triple the number of students served to 2.5 million.

Expanding Choice and Accountability in Public Schools. The Clinton-Gore Administration has worked to expand public school choice and support the growth of public charter schools, which have increased from one public charter school in the nation when the President was first elected to 2,000 today. More than 250,000 students nationwide are now enrolled in charter schools in 30 states and the District of Columbia. The President won $145 million in FY 2000 -- and has proposed $175 million in his FY 2001 budget -- to continue working toward his goal of establishing 3,000 quality charter schools by 2002.

Teaching Every Child to Read. The President challenged Americans to commit to the effort to ensure that every child can read well and independently by the third grade -- 1,400 colleges and universities took up his challenge, and 26,700 college work-study students now serve as reading tutors to help every child learn to read.

Expanding Access to Technology. With the Vice President's leadership, the Clinton-Gore Administration has made increasing access to technology a top priority. The President and Vice President created the Technology Literacy Challenge Fund to help connect every school to the Internet, increase the number of multimedia computers in the classroom and provide technology training for teachers. They increased overall investments in educational technology from $23 million in 1993 to $769 million in FY 2000, and tripled funding for Community Technology Centers to reach at least 120 low-income communities. Through the E-rate program, they secured low-cost connections to the Internet for schools, libraries, rural health clinics and hospitals, benefiting more than 80 percent of America's public schools. They also increased investment in education research to ensure all children benefit from educational technology. In 1999, 95 percent of public schools were connected to the I! nternet -- up from just 35 percent in 1994.

Supporting Local Education Reform Efforts. The President signed the Education Flexibility Partnership Act of 1999 (Ed-Flex) into law in April 1999, giving all states greater flexibility in the use of federal education funds in exchange for greater accountability for helping all students reach high academic standards.

Established the GEAR UP Mentoring Program for Middle School Children. President Clinton and Vice President Gore created and expanded GEAR UP, a nationwide mentoring initiative, to help over 750,000 low-income middle school children finish school and prepare for college. The President's FY 2001 budget would expand services to 1.4 million students.

Providing Early Education to Nearly 900,000 Children with Head Start. The President and Vice President have expanded Head Start funding by 90 percent since 1993. Head Start will reach approximately 880,000 low-income children in FY 2000 and, with the President's proposed increase for the program, will be on the way to reaching the President's goal of serving 1 million children and their families by the year 2002. The Administration also created Early Head Start, bringing Head Start's successful comprehensive services to families with children ages zero to three, and set high quality standards for both programs.

Crime and Drugs: Lowest Crime Rates in 25 Years

Lowest Crime Rates in a Generation. When President Clinton and Vice President Gore took office in 1993, the violent crime rate in America had more than quadrupled during the previous three decades. Since then, America has experienced the longest continuous drop in crime on record. The overall crime rate is the lowest in 25 years, and in 1999 crime fell for the eighth consecutive year nationwide. Violent crime rate fell 7 percent in 1999 and 27 percent since 1993. Since 1993, the murder rate is down more than 25 percent to its lowest point since 1967, and gun violence has declined by more than 35 percent.

Putting 100,000 More Police on the Streets. In 1999, ahead of schedule and under budget, the Clinton-Gore Administration met its commitment to fund an additional 100,000 police officers for our communities. As a part of the COPS Program, the President announced a distressed neighborhood grant program to increase community policing in high-crime and underserved neighborhoods. To help keep crime at record lows, in fall 1999, the President won funding for the first installment toward his goal to hire up to 50,000 more officers by 2005. This year, the Clinton-Gore budget includes over $1 billion to continue the successful COPS initiative to hire more officers, hire new community prosecutors, give police the tools and technology they need to fight crime, and to fund community-wide crime fighting efforts.


More Than Half a Million Felons, Fugitives and Domestic Abusers Denied Guns. Since taking effect in 1994, the Brady Law has helped to prevent a total of more than 536,000 felons, fugitives, domestic abusers, and other prohibited purchasers from buying guns. In November 1998, the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) took effect under the Brady Law, allowing access to a fuller set of records that law enforcement officials can use to conduct checks of all prospective gun purchases -- not just for handguns. As of March 2000, NICS has conducted over 10 million background checks on gun purchasers, and stopped an estimated 179,000 illegal gun sales.

Cracking Down on the Most Serious Gun Criminals. President Clinton and Vice President Gore have established a tough records of enforcement of our nation's gun laws by helping law enforcement take serious gun criminals out of our communities and put them where they belong: behind bars. The number of federal firearms cases prosecuted by the U.S. Attorneys increased 16 percent, from 4,754 in 1992 to 5,500 in 1999. And, by providing federal, state and local law enforcement and prosecutors with the tools they need to crack down on gun criminals, overall gun prosecutions have increased 22 percent. In addition, the average sentence for federal gun offenders has increased by nearly two years, and federal law enforcement is successfully targeting the most serious gun offenders. Between 1992 and 1998, the number of federal gun defendants sentenced to prison for three years or more went up 20 percent, and the number sentenced to five years or more went up 12 percent.

Largest Gun Enforcement Initiative in History. This year, President Clinton has proposed the largest gun enforcement initiative ever. The initiative would provide a record $280 million to add 500 new federal ATF agents and inspectors to target violent gun criminals and illegal gun traffickers that supply guns to criminals and juveniles, and fund over 1,000 new federal, state, and local gun prosecutors to take dangerous gun offenders off the streets. This initiative would also expand the ATF's crime gun tracing program by providing tracing equipment and training to 250 additional law enforcement agencies and by creating the first nationally integrated ballistics testing system. The new ballistics testing system will help law enforcement use the unique "fingerprints" of bullets or shell casings left at the scene of a crime to identify gun criminals -- even in the absence of a firearm.

Developed Comprehensive Anti-Drug Strategy Including a $195 Million National Youth Anti-Drug Media Campaign. The President appointed Barry McCaffrey, a four-star general, to lead the Clinton-Gore Administration's anti-drug strategy as the nation's Drug Czar. In 1997, President Clinton and Director McCaffrey launched the National Youth Anti-Drug Media Campaign, the largest targeted effort ever to teach youth about the dangers of drugs. The Campaign uses the full power of the modern media to encourage young people to reject drug use, and helps parents, teachers and other responsible adults talk to kids about drugs and get more involved in the lives of young people. Illicit drug use among young people age 12-17 declined for the past three years, and the average age of first-time use went up. Since 1997, overall youth drug use is down by more than 20 percent, and youth marijuana use has declined by over 25 percent. Overall drug use is down since its peak in the 1970's! , drug-related murders have fallen by 48 percent since 1992, and youth drug use is leveling off or declining.

Preventing Violence with the Safe Schools/Healthy Students Initiative. Evidence shows that a comprehensive, integrated community-wide approach is an effective way to address the problems of school violence and alcohol and other drug abuse and promote healthy childhood. In 1998, President Clinton unveiled the Administration's Safe Schools/Healthy Students Initiative (SS/HS), an unprecedented joint effort involving the Departments of Education, Justice, and Health and Human Services to help communities design and implement a comprehensive approach, including educational, mental health, social service, and law enforcement services for to help combat youth violence. SS/HS has provided $146 million to 77 local education authorities who have established formal partnerships with local mental health and law enforcement agencies. This year, the President has called for a $100 million expansion of the Safe Schools/Healthy Students Initiative.

Fighting Hate Crimes. The President enacted the Hate Crimes Sentencing Enhancement Act in 1994. He held the historic White House Conference on Hate Crimes, where he called for passage of the Hate Crimes Prevention Act -- bipartisan legislation which would strengthen hate crimes laws and make it clear that America will not tolerate acts of violence based on race, color, gender, national origin, religion, sexual orientation or disability.

Protecting Children from Sex Offenders. President Clinton signed Megan's Law and the Jacob Wetterling Crimes Against Children and Sexually Violent Offender Registration Act, requiring states to set up sex offender registration systems and require community notification when sex offenders are released from prison.

Welfare Reform and Community Empowerment: Moving Millions of Americans from Welfare to Work

Lowest Percentage of Americans on Welfare in 35 Years as More Recipients Go to Work. President Clinton has kept his promise to reform the welfare system and move more Americans from welfare to work. The percentage of Americans on welfare is at its lowest level since 1965 as record numbers of people move from welfare to work. Since January 1993, the number of people on welfare has fallen by more than half, from 14.1 million to 6.3 million. More than 1.3 million welfare recipients went to work in 1998 alone, and the percentage of adults still on welfare who were working reached 33 percent in 1999, compared to just 7 percent in 1992 -- nearly a fivefold increase. Through the Welfare to Work Partnership launched by the President, more than 20,000 businesses have hired 1.1 million former welfare recipients since 1997.

Creating New Tools to Help Families Move from Welfare to Work. The 1997 Balanced Budget Act signed by President Clinton included $3 billion to move long-term welfare recipients and low-income non-custodial fathers into jobs. The President's Access to Jobs initiative helps communities design innovative transportation solutions, such as van services, to help former welfare recipients and other low-income workers get to work. President Clinton has secured 110,000 new housing vouchers in the last two years to help welfare recipients and hard-pressed working families move closer to job opportunities, and this year he is proposing $690 million for 120,000 new housing vouchers. And the Welfare-to-Work Tax Credit provides tax incentives to encourage businesses to hire long-term welfare recipients.

Doubled Child Support Collections. President Clinton signed into law the toughest child support crackdown in history. Federal and state child support programs broke new records in 1999, collecting nearly $16 billion -- double the amount collected in 1992. The number of paternities established rose to a record 1.5 million in 1999 - more than triple the number from 516,000 in 1992. The number of child support cases with collections more than doubled during the Clinton Administration, from 2.8 million in 1992 to 4.5 million in 1999.

Teen Births Down to the Lowest Rate on Record. The teen birth rate has fallen eight years in a row, dropping 20 percent from 1991 to 1999 to the lowest rate in the 60 years data on teen births have been recorded. The teen pregnancy rate is also at the lowest rate on record. To build on this progress, the President's budget includes funding for "second chance homes" for teen parents.

Child Abuse Declines for Five Years in a Row. The number of children abused and neglected has decreased approximately 11 percent from a record 1,018,692 in 1993. While this represents progress, President Clinton and Vice President Gore continue to work to protect the health and well-being of America's children, and ending child abuse.

Expanded Investment in Urban and Rural Areas. The Clinton-Gore Administration created 31 Empowerment Zones and more than 100 Enterprise Communities, including 50 rural ECs, which have created new jobs, new opportunities and stronger communities.

Encouraging Investment in Underserved Communities with the New Markets Initiative. President Clinton's New Markets Initiative will help bring economic development and renewal to communities that have not benefited from the soaring economy by spurring more than $22 billion in new investment in urban and rural areas. On July 25, 2000, the House passed the President's New Markets Initiative in a historic bipartisan agreement that included extension and expansion of Empowerment Zones, and an increase in the Low Income Housing Tax Credit. The President has taken three New Markets Tours of underserved communities, which have helped generate more than $1 billion in private sector investment commitments.

Providing Incentives to Save. President Clinton signed legislation creating Individual Development Accounts, providing incentives for low-income families to save for a first home, higher education, or to start a new business, a key part of his 1992 community empowerment agenda. In FY 1999, $10 million was awarded to establish savings accounts for over 10,000 low-income workers in 40 communities, and an additional $10 million will be awarded in FY 2000. The President's budget provides $25 million for IDAs in FY 2001 and proposes to allow low-income working families to use IDAs to save for a car that will allow them to get or keep a job.

Health Care: Increasing Access and Improving the Nation's Health

Enacted Most Comprehensive Medicare Reforms in History. In the 1997 Balanced Budget, the Clinton-Gore Administration protected, modernized and extended the life of the Medicare Trust Fund while offering new options for patient choice and preventive care. New preventive benefits passed include coverage of annual mammograms, coverage of screening tests for both colorectal and cervical cancer, and a diabetes self-management benefit. The President proposed a plan to reform and modernize Medicare's benefits, including an optional prescription drug benefit that is affordable and available to all beneficiaries. The President has also proposed a reserve fund to help Medicare beneficiaries with extremely high prescription drug costs.

Extending the Life of the Medicare Trust Fund. When President Clinton and Vice President Gore took office, Medicare was expected to run out of money in 1999. Now, the life of the Trust Fund has been extended until 2025. Medicare is now in the soundest shape it has been since 1975.

Enacted Single Largest Investment in Health Care for Children since 1965. The five year, $24 billion State Children's Health Insurance Program (S-CHIP) will provide health care coverage for up to five million children. Two million children have already been enrolled, and in October 1999 President Clinton announced new outreach initiatives to enroll millions more uninsured, eligible children. Last year, the President launched a nationwide "Insure Kids Now" campaign that will bring together major TV and radio networks, healthcare organizations, religious groups and other community-based organizations to help enroll more children in the Children's Health Insurance Program, with the goal of enrolling 5 million of the estimated 10 million children eligible for health insurance under S-CHIP within 5 years. As of June 2000, approximately 2.5 million children were enrolled in S-CHIP. This year, the budget includes sev! eral of Vice President Gore's proposals to accelerate enrollment of children in S-CHIP. The President is also proposing a new FamilyCare program, which would give States the option to cover parents in the same plan as their children.

Passed Meaningful Health Insurance Reform. The President signed into law the Kennedy-Kassebaum Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, which helps individuals keep health insurance when they change jobs, guarantees renewability of coverage, and ensures access to health insurance for small businesses. As many as 25 million people will benefit from this law. The bill also eliminated the discriminatory tax treatment the of the approximately 10 million Americans who are self-employed; strengthened efforts to combat health care fraud, waste and abuse by creating a stable source of funding; and provided consumer protections and tax incentives for private long-term care insurance.

More Americans Have Health Insurance. From 1998 to 1999, the number of Americans with health insurance rose by 1.7 million -- two-thirds of them children. This is the first decline in the number of uninsured in 12 years. Factors contributing to the decline in the uninsured include the establishment of the historic S-CHIP program; the unprecedented outreach and enrollment efforts by the Administration and key states; and the improving economy in which increasing numbers of employers are offering health insurance. Despite historic gains, millions of Americans remain without insurance. The President and Vice President remain committed to provide health insurance coverage for all Americans.

Enacted Historic Comprehensive FDA Reform that Expedited the Review and Approval of New Drug Products. The President signed into law the 1997 FDA Modernization Act that includes important measures to modernize and streamline the regulation of biological products; increase patient access to experimental drugs and medical devices; and accelerate review of important new medications. This reform builds on the administrative initiatives implemented under the Vice President's reinventing government effort which have led U.S. drug approvals to be as fast or faster than any other industrialized nation. Average drug approval times have dropped since the beginning of the Administration from almost three years to just over one year.

Signed Mental Health Parity Provisions into Law. To help eliminate discrimination against individuals with mental illnesses, the President signed into law mental health parity provisions that prohibit health plans from establishing separate lifetime and annual limits for mental health coverage. In 1999, the White House held the first-ever Conference on Mental Health and released the Surgeon General's first Report on Mental Health. This year, the President's budget includes an investment of $100 million for mental health services, a 90 percent increase since 1993 levels.

Signed Legislation to End Drive-Through Deliveries. President Clinton signed into law common sense legislation that requires health plans to allow new mothers to remain in the hospital for at least 48 hours following most normal deliveries and 96 hours after a Cesarean section.

Extended Strong, Enforceable Patient Protections for Millions of Americans. Leading by example, the President directed all federal agencies to ensure that their employees and beneficiaries have the benefits and rights guaranteed under the proposed Patients' Bill of Rights. 85 million Americans covered by federal health plans, and Medicare and Medicaid, have the security of knowing they will have fair access to health care thanks to the President's work. The President and Vice President have called for passage of the bipartisan Patients Bill of Rights Act, to ensure that all Americans have essential protections, such as guaranteed access to needed health care specialists; access to emergency room services when and where the need arises; continuity of care protections to assure patient care if a patient's health care provider is dropped; access to a timely internal and independent external appeals process with a medical necessity standard; assurance that doctors and! patients can openly discuss treatment options; and an enforcement mechanism that ensures recourse for patients who have been harmed as a result of health plan actions.

Fighting Medicare Fraud and Waste. Since 1993, the Clinton-Gore Administration has assigned more federal prosecutors and FBI agents to fight health care fraud than ever before. As a result, convictions have gone up a full 410 percent, saving more than $50 billion in health care claims. The Balanced Budget Act gave an array of new weapons in our fight to keep scam artists and fly-by-night health care out of Medicare and Medicaid.

Released Strong New Protections for the Privacy of Electronic Medical Records. The Clinton-Gore Administration released a new regulation to protect the privacy of electronic medical records held by health plans, health care clearinghouses, and health care providers. This rule would limit the use and release of private health information without consent; restrict the disclosure of protected health information to the minimum amount of information necessary; establish new requirements for disclosure of information to researchers and others seeking access to health records; and establish new administrative and criminal sanctions for the improper use or disclosure of private information.

Implementing Comprehensive Nursing Home Quality Initiative. The Clinton-Gore Administration has issued the toughest nursing home regulations in the history of the Medicare and Medicaid programs, including increased monitoring of nursing homes to ensure that they are in compliance; requiring states to crack down on nursing homes that repeatedly violate health and safety requirements; and changing the inspection process to increase the focus on preventing bedsores, malnutrition and resident abuse. They also won a $43.5 million increase in FY 2000 to fund more rigorous inspections of nursing facilities and improved federal oversight and enforcement of nursing home quality.

Ensuring Safe Food for America's Families. President Clinton created the President's Council on Food Safety to develop a comprehensive food safety strategic plan for federal agencies. The Clinton-Gore Administration has implemented a new science-based inspection system -- Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Points -- and reduced the prevalence of salmonella in raw meat and poultry by as much as 50 percent. The President signed the Food Quality Protection Act, which included special safeguards for kids and strengthened laws governing pesticides and food safety. The Administration also issued new rules to prevent foodborne illness caused by pathogens such as E. coli.

Raised Child Immunization Rates to All Time High. Childhood immunization coverage rates in 1998 were the highest ever recorded. 90 percent of toddlers in 1996, 1997 and 1998 received the most critical doses of each of the routinely recommended vaccines, surpassing the President's 1993 goal. Because childhood vaccination levels in the United States are at an all-time high, disease and death from diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, measles, mumps, rubella and Hib are at or near record lows. There was only one reported case of diphtheria, 100 reported cases of measles, and no reported cases of wild poliovirus in 1998.

Promoting Reproductive Health. The Clinton-Gore Administration has taken strong steps to protect a woman's right to choose and to promote safe reproductive health services for women. The President has provided contraceptive coverage to more than a million women covered by federal health plans; provided family planning services to low income women through the Medicaid program; stood up against attempts to prohibit the FDA from approving RU-486; and continues to fight restrictions on international family planning.

Environment: Growing the Economy And Improving the Environment

Preserving Our National Treasures. The Clinton-Gore Administration has protected tens of millions of acres, from the red rock canyons of Utah to the Florida Everglades. The Administration reached agreements to protect Yellowstone from mining and save the ancient redwoods of California's Headwaters Forest. In the FY 2000 budget, the President and Vice President won $651 million (a 42 percent increase) for Lands Legacy, a historic initiative to strengthen federal efforts to preserve national treasures and provides communities with new resources to protect local green spaces. This year, the President's budget includes a record $1.4 billion for Lands Legacy -- a 93 percent increase and the largest one-year investment ever requested for conserving America's lands.

Created Nine New National Monuments. The Clinton-Gore Administration has created nine new national monuments: Grand Staircase-Escalante, protecting spectacular red rock canyonlands in Utah; Grand Canyon-Parashant, protecting deep canyons, mountains and buttes on the north rim of the Grand Canyon; Agua Fria, protecting extensive prehistoric ruins in Arizona; the California Coastal monument, protecting thousands of islands, rocks and reefs along the California coast; Giant Sequoia National Monument in California's Sierra Nevada, protecting 34 groves of ancient sequoias, the largest trees on earth; Canyons of the Ancients National Monument protecting America's highest density of archeological sites in southwest Colorado; Cascade-Siskiyou National Monument protecting unmatched biological diversity in the Cascade Range in southern Oregon; Hanford Reach National Monument protecting critical habitat for salmon spawning along one of the last free-flowing stretches of! the Columbia River in south central Washington; Ironwood Forest National Monument protecting rich stands of ironwood trees - known to live more than 800 years -- in the Sonoran Desert of Arizona. The Administration also expanded Pinnacles National Monument in California to better protect the area's unusual rock formations, and designated Anderson Cottage, which served as Abraham Lincoln's summer home while he was president, a national monument.

Preserving Our National Forests. The President directed the National Forest Service to develop and propose regulations to provide long-term protection for 40 million acres of roadless areas within national forests and ensure that future generations will be able to enjoy the pristine wilderness. The proposed regulations would ban road building in these areas and could also prohibit logging or other activities that harm their unique ecological value.

Accelerating Toxic Cleanups and Brownfields Redevelopment. The Clinton-Gore Administration has completed clean up at more than 530 Superfund sites, more than three times as many as completed in the previous twelve years. Clean up of more than 91 percent of all sites is either completed or in progress. The Administration's brownfields redevelopment initiative has leveraged over $2.3 billion in private sector investment and generated 6,400 jobs.

Keeping Our Drinking Water Safe. The President proposed and signed legislation to strengthen the Safe Drinking Water Act to ensure that our families have healthy, clean tap water. The Clinton-Gore Administration has required America's 55,000 water utilities to provide regular reports to their customers on the quality of their drinking water. The Administration significantly tightened the arsenic standard, providing additional protection to at least 22.5 million Americans from cancer and other health problems. The Administration has adopted or proposed new standards to provide the first-ever protection against waterborne illness like Cryptosporidium, potentially preventing more than half a million illnesses each year. The Administration also proposed new rule to reduce dirty runoff and strengthen protections for 20,000 rivers, lakes and other waterways too polluted for swimming and fishing. Ninety-one percent of America's tap water from community drinking water sys! tems now meets all federal standards.

Clearing the Air of Unhealthy Pollution. The President and Vice President have adopted the toughest standards ever on soot and smog. They proposed significant reductions in tailpipe emissions from cars, light trucks and SUVs, and launched long-term effort to restore pristine skies over our national parks and wilderness areas. Since 1993, the number of Americans living in communities that meet federal air quality standards has grown by 43 million.

Reducing the Threat of Global Warming. The Clinton-Gore Administration negotiated an international treaty to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in an environmentally strong and economically sound way. The President and Vice President secured $1.1 billion in FY 2000 for research and development of energy efficiency and clean energy technologies, and set a goal of tripling U.S. use of bio-energy and bio-products by 2010. The President issued several Executive Orders. The first order directs agencies to dramatically improve energy efficiency in federal buildings, saving taxpayers over $750 million a year when fully implemented. The second order improves fuel efficiency by requiring the Federal government to reduce fuel use in its vehicle fleets by 20 percent in five years. The third order offers federal workers incentives to use public transportation, cutting fuel use and the pollution that contributes to climate change.

Protecting Oceans and Coasts. The Clinton-Gore Administration has extended the moratorium on new oil leasing off most of the U.S. coast through 2012, and permanently barred new leasing in national marine sanctuaries. They directed the development of key recommendations for strengthening federal oceans policy for the 21st century and appointed a high-level task force to oversee the implementation of those recommendations and launched a new era of ocean exploration where federal researchers will collaborate with marine research institutions and universities for ocean exploration. The President and Vice President secured a funding increase of over 100 percent to better support national marine sanctuaries, and have led the world in calling for a global ban on ocean dumping of low-level radioactive waste.

Science and Technology: A Strong Research and Development Agenda

Unprecedented Investment in Biomedical Research. Two years ago, the President called for an increase of almost 50 percent over 5 years in the National Institutes of Health (NIH) budget as part of his Research for America Fund. Since that time, the NIH budget has increased by over $4.3 billion and with the funding proposed by the President this year, the Administration will be one year ahead of schedule in reaching the 50 percent goal. As a result, NIH now supports the highest levels of research ever on nearly all types of disease and health conditions, making new breakthroughs possible in vaccine development and use, the treatment of chronic disease, and prevention and treatment of diseases such as diabetes, osteoporosis, heart disease, cancer, and neurological diseases like Alzheimers and Parkinsons. The Clinton-Gore Administration's FY 2001 budget includes a $1 billion increase for NIH.

Supporting University Research, Training the Next Generation of Scientists and Engineers. The FY 2000 budget contained a 6.6 percent increase in the National Science Foundation research budget to support science and engineering research across all fields and disciplines. This includes $126 million for the Administration's "Information Technology for the 21st Century" initiative.

Ensuring U.S. Leadership in Space Science and Exploration. The Clinton-Gore Administration won increased investment of $13.65 billion for NASA in FY 2000. This investment offers the potential of new scientific breakthroughs through an aggressive robotic series of exploration missions into the solar system, as well as enhancing our ability to monitor important changes in the earth's climate systems, and strengthening aviation safety for the traveling public.

Strengthening the Economy and National Security with Information Technology. The Administration continued our investment to help ensure that America leads the world in information technologies that predict tornadoes, design life-saving drugs, and make air travel safer and more efficient, and maintain our nuclear weapons stockpile without nuclear testing.

Changing the Way Government Does Business: Doing More for Less

Results from the Reinventing Government Initiative. Overall, the Vice President's National Performance Review recommended and Congress adopted savings of about $136 billion since 1993.

Smallest Federal Civilian Workforce in 40 Years. Since President Clinton and Vice President Gore took office, the Federal workforce has been cut by 377,000 - nearly a fifth - and is now lower than any time since 1960.

Lowest Federal Spending as a Share of the Economy Since 1966. The spending restraint under President Clinton has brought government spending down from 22.2 percent of GDP in 1992 to a projected 18.5 percent of GDP in 2000 - the lowest since 1966. At the same time, President Clinton has increased investments in education, technology and other areas that are vital to growth.

Slowest Per Capita Growth of Government Spending Since the 1950's. During the Clinton-Gore Administration, federal spending -- on a per capita basis -- grew at the slowest rate since the Eisenhower Administration, not including inflation.

Increasing Participation in Our Democracy with the Motor Voter Law. President Clinton signed the National Voter Registration Act during his first year in office -- making voting easier for millions more Americans, and leading to the registration of more than 28 million new voters.

Foreign Policy: World's Strongest Force for Peace, Freedom and Prosperity

Promoting Peace and Strengthening Democracy

Advancing peace in the Middle East by hosting the Camp David Summit between Israelis and Palestinians, which constituted the first high-level discussions of all permanent status issues; brokering peace agreements between Israel and its other neighbors, including the Palestinians and Jordan; negotiating the Wye River Accords; supporting the launch of final settlement negotiations between the Israelis and Palestinians; and revitalizing peace talks between the Syrians and Israelis.
Stabilizing Southeast Europe by ending a decade of repression and ethnic cleansing in Kosovo through leading NATO alliance to victory in air campaign and ushering in international peacekeepers, and by launching the Stability Pact to strengthen democracy, economic development and security throughout the region and accelerating its integration with the rest of Europe
Helped broker the Good Friday Peace Accord in Northern Ireland, ending decades of bloodshed and empowering the people of Northern Ireland to determine their future.
Led diplomatic efforts to end the civil war and foster multi-ethnic democracy in Bosnia.
Restored democratic government in Haiti, ending military dictatorship and stopping refugee flows.
Supporting transitions to democracy in South Africa, Nigeria, Indonesia, Central Europe and the Baltics and supporting the mediation of peace efforts in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, the Central African Republic, Sierra Leone, Burundi, and Ethiopia-Eritrea.
Helped end violence and protected democracy in East Timor by leading diplomatic efforts and supporting international peacekeeping mission.
Helped settle the Peru-Ecuador border dispute and end civil war in Guatemala.
Pressing for human rights and religious freedom worldwide, including in China, Burma and Sudan.
Re-started talks toward a comprehensive settlement on Cyprus.
Combating Threats

Protecting Americans from weapons of mass destruction by working to reduce Russian nuclear arsenals through implementation of strategic arms control agreements (START) and cooperative threat reduction programs, permanently eliminating nuclear weapons from Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan, easing nuclear tensions between India and Pakistan, signing the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, and achieving the indefinite extension of the Non-Proliferation Treaty and ratification of the Chemical Weapons Convention.
Enhancing military stability in Europe by successfully concluding the adapted Conventional Armed Forces in Europe Treaty.
Combating terrorism by developing a national counter-terrorism strategy, appointing a national coordinator and striking terrorist targets in Afghanistan and Sudan.
Waging war on drugs by intensifying interdiction efforts, strengthening cooperation with allies, cracking down on drug lords and providing $1.3 billion in assistance for Colombia.
Reducing North Korean threat through deterrence, including the forward deployment of 37,000 U.S. troops; diplomacy, including bilateral talks leading to a moratorium on long-range missile testing; and non-proliferation, including the eventual dismantling of North Korea's dangerous nuclear facilities.
Containing Iraq while working toward regime change through deterrence, economic sanctions, humanitarian assistance for the Iraqi people from the oil-for-food program, and support for popular opposition to Saddam Hussein's regime.
Addressing new threats by protecting America's critical infrastructure from cyber-terrorism and biological and chemical weapons.
Discussed development of a limited national missile defense to protect against attacks from states that threaten international peace and security while preserving strategic stability with Russia.
Strengthening military readiness and modernizing our armed forces.
Combating trafficking in persons, especially women and children, through the development of an integrated strategy that focuses on prevention, prosecution of traffickers, and protection of and assistance to victims.
Fighting proliferation by improving controls over Russian nuclear weapon materials, and by funding legitimate employment opportunities for former Russian nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons researchers and institutes as an alternative to selling their skills abroad.
Negotiating a protocol to the Convention on Conventional Weapons, banning antipersonnel landmines that do not self-destruct and self-deactivate, signed by all the major mine-producing nations.
Waging war on international crime by strengthening U.S. law enforcement programs and bilateral, regional and global cooperation related to drug trafficking, money laundering and other international organized crime and by providing $1.3 billion in additional funding for critical counter-drug and related initiatives throughout the Andean Region.
Mobilizing leadership and resources - including the development of new vaccines - to fight AIDS, malaria and tuberculosis, which threaten development, economic growth, stability and security.
Strengthening Alliances and Building Partnerships

Fulfilling vision of an undivided, democratic and peaceful Europe by enlarging NATO, integrating Hungary, Poland and the Czech Republic and Southeast Europe, and strengthening NATO's partnerships with Russia, Ukraine and the other New Independent States.
Building a more constructive relationship with China through engagement and frank dialogue, leading to cooperation on non-proliferation and regional security, environmental protection.
Deepening security alliance with Japan through adoption of Defense Guidelines and Joint Security Declaration.
Strengthening cooperation with South Korea through jointly offered Four Party Peace Talks with North Korea and the establishment of Trilateral Consultation and Oversight Group to coordinate North Korea policy.
Supporting democracy, human rights, and market economies in Russia, Ukraine, and the countries of the former Soviet Union and promoting their international integration
Secured landmark agreements to develop oil and gas pipelines from the Caspian Sea to the Mediterranean Sea, strengthening ties in the region and ensuring Americans have continued access to vital natural resources.
Expanding trade and strengthening democracy in Asia and Latin America through the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation forum, the Summit of the Americas, and the Organization of American States.
Strengthening ties with Africa by launching the new Partnership for Economic Growth and Opportunity, achieving passage of the African Growth and Opportunity Act, and supporting the Africa Crisis Response Initiative and other regional peacekeeping efforts.
Preserved U.S. leadership role at the United Nations by reaching agreement with Congress that would enable us to pay $1 billion in back dues. Deepened security ties with the Philippines through adoption of the Visiting Forces Agreement.
Expanding Prosperity

Opening markets for U.S. exports abroad and creating American jobs through NAFTA, GATT and nearly 300 other free and fair trade agreements.
Integrating China into the world economy through landmark agreement for China's entry into the World Trade Organization that opens markets to U.S. exports, slashes Chinese tariffs, and protects American workers from dumping.
Established World Trade Organization to reduce tariffs, settle trade disputes, and enforce rules.
Reduced the possibility that a future Asian financial crisis would undermine America's prosperity by promoting structural reform -- including sound monetary policies, urging banking reforms and fighting corruption abroad.
Stimulating worldwide growth through support for the IMF and G-8 global economic strategy.
Assisted Mexico's economic recovery with $20 billion in emergency support loans.
Forgave $500 million in African debt, announced initiative to link debt relief to health and education investments, and forged agreement among G-8 industrialized countries to provide additional debt relief.
Helped to overcome the Asian financial crisis through support for multilateral and bilateral efforts and through keeping America's markets open at a critical juncture.
Helped facilitate disaster relief and reconstruction in Central American countries affected by Hurricane Mitch, committing $940 million to economic reactivation, education, public health, and future mitigation.
Helped Brazil avert financial crisis by backing $41.5 billion international support package.

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obreaslan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:57 AM
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68. I agree Grovelbot, I'm concerned...
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:18 AM
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37. Is he running again? If not, what is the point?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:24 AM
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43. The uproar
everytime anyone from his administration is rumored or confirmed to be involved with an Obama administration.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:43 AM
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60. Jake was cold and needed a fire to warm his hands
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:47 AM
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63. No just a little sick
of the sky is falling everytime anyone associated with the Clintons is seen near Obama.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:19 AM
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38. For 3/4 of his term as president he was crippled with
the god-damned Republican Majority.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 12:01 PM
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70. A Republican Majority he went along with. In fact, he worked darn hard to pass
NAFTA and pass further financial deregulation.
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:22 AM
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40. I agree.
Cannot believe how many on DU are Clinton haters.

I find it very odd.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:22 AM
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41. Welfare reform. That was kewl
:eyes:
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:23 AM
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42. As other said, he wasted his abilities and his support.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:25 AM
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45. He had a Very Conservative Congress to deal with right from the start.
His first budget passed by ONE vote - Gore's.

Conservative Democrats hated him from the start. Sam Nunn stands out here. He was so pissed he wasn't president.
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blueclown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:35 AM
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52. Democrats had a close to 20 seat advantage in the Congress that year.
And Bill's budget only passed by one vote.

That tells you a lot about how many conservative Dems were in the Senate.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:37 AM
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54. Exactly. DEMS did not support him or permit him to be more progressive. nt
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blueclown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:41 AM
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57. The incoming Congress is certainly more progressive than the 1992 Congress.
Thank goodness.

Obama should have no problem passing his budget.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:53 AM
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65. Agreed. For FDR it also was conservative Dems and a conservative SC...
Southern Dems are why FDR would not speak out in favor of the anti-lynching bill. Sad.
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:38 AM
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55. The Iraqis who died under the sanctions might disagree.
But once again, I guess the entire world revolves around murika. :eyes:
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:46 AM
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62. Political Realities
Are you suggesting Bill Clinton could have ended sanctions on Iraq? President Bob Dole would have been a landslide and the re-invasion would have been in 1996 not 2003.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:13 PM
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125. Of course he could have ended the sanctions.
The UN wanted to end them, he prevented them from doing it.

But, you know, he "couldn't" have done it because it might have cost him a reelection. :eyes:
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:33 PM
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129. I'm sure the surviving families of thosedead Iraqis
(the ones we haven't killed this time around) are comforted by your "political realities."
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:54 AM
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66. Hussein was given a choice, abide by the rules and be permitted to sell oil, OR
don't abide by rules and withstand sanctions.

His army always got fed. His choice.
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:34 PM
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130. Actually, his army was starving and in tatters.
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 07:39 PM by superduperfarleft
And since the sanctions, by your own admission, allowed him to prosper while his people starved, would you really call that a success?
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:11 PM
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124. Thank you.
I was wondering if anyone here would bring that up. I see it's listed upthread as an "accomplishment."

One heck of an accomplishment, killing a half million children. :(

(I'm equally disgusted to see Plan Colombia listed as a "success.")
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:40 AM
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56. Good to see some DEMOCRATS here...
I can't help but think that part of being a member of the Democratic party is to support DEMOCRATS.

What I'm reading here and on DU the last two days looks more like "The Best of Rush Limbaugh".
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 11:42 AM
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58. Take Two Reality Pills
And Call me in the morning.

Broad brush much?
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 12:02 PM
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72. Look how great Republicans blinding supporting Bush worked out.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 01:10 PM
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77. Little different
Even the most adament supporter of Clinton or Obama on here would admit that they had faults and policies they don't like.

One thing to criticise. Another to pretend that the person did nothing right. Some people on here talk about Clinton worse than they talk about Bush.
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:04 PM
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83. Blind HATRED is no better. n/t
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:01 PM
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81. Provided those Democrats you expect us to blindly support are not DINOs. (eom)
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:05 PM
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84. Oh! Can I put words in YOUR mouth too? Thanks.
Quote where I said anything about blindly supporting anyone.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:22 PM
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"member of the Democratic party is to support DEMOCRATS"
You didn't clarify whether you were refering to acutal Democrats or to anyone who calls him/herself a Democrat even if they think like a Republican. If I jumped to a conclusion, I apologize.

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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:48 PM
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92. I don't know. Were you talking about Obama?
If Obama is, indeed, considering her, where does it put you?

Do you think Obama is practicing Clinton-style triangulating politics by his consideration, or that he has bad judgment for considering her in the first place?

That's not saying much for the President Elect.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:19 PM
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98. Where am I?
As Wellstone used to say he was part of the Democratic wing of the Demcratic party - I like to say that I'm part of the Farmer-Labor wing of the DFL (actually Wellstone was closer to the FL than the D).

I know Obama did not belong to the DLC, but I think he thinks more like that crowd than most people are ready to admit. I voted for Obama only because he was the nominee and this was not the year to jump ship and vote for the (actual) Socialist Party candidate. I voted for Obama, not expecting much from him or for much to change. At worse, I'll wind up happily surprised by him, but he hasn't done anything yet that makes me think he's anything but another corportist who will just protect the status quo.



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happychatter Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 12:02 PM
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71. you forgot the "War on the Poor" nt
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 12:24 PM
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74. Three words: Dick Morris Triangulation.
None of which mean anything good for progressives.

Enough said.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 01:08 PM
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76. BIll Clinton was the best Republican that we have ever had in that office.
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 01:08 PM by truedelphi
Period.

Just hope President Obama understands what we progressives want of him, and what the country as a whole needs from him.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 01:15 PM
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78. Thanks for the "CONCERN." Bill was great.
Democrats were against him from the start, yet he managed to accomplish what no other president managed.

Long good economy.
Real increases.
Finished a bad war.
Ran a good and decent war to completion.
Stood and handled terrorist attacks.
...

NAFTA had to be passed by a Republican Congress, and while Bill was around there was no job problem, only good things for all sides, especially for the world as a whole.

Yes, he did not fight the media infrastructure that continues to hurt America to this day. Instead he proved we were big enough to work around it, and we did. I don't fault him for that. He's not to be considered more powerful than democracy itself. That's for the Republicans to believe. Not US.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:15 PM
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126. "a good and decent war." hmmmm. (n/t)
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 12:44 PM
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135. What's the Hmmm for? Do you miss having genocide? Hmmm./nt
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:22 PM
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86. Clinton was GOOD - if Obama could do a fraction of what Clinton did, it would be successful...
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:38 PM
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90. If Obama gets us out of Iraq
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 02:39 PM by Jake3463
and navigates this financial crisis so we aren't in a depression by the end of his first term.

He'll be in the good to great category.

If he enacts Universal Health care on top of that he hits greatness.

Gives him a whole term for balancing the budget. Essentially putting us slightly better off than we were 8 years ago.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:07 PM
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96. We who? Frankly I considered Clinton mediocre at best
However I did think that he was the best Republican president that we've had since TR.

Clinton was another corporate controlled centerist in a time when we need somebody to move forcefully to the left rather than continuing the slide to the right.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:15 PM
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97. One of the better Republican presidents America's ever had.
The rest of the world loves him- and he had some excellent foreign policy successes.

On the domestic side though, he enabled and legitimized- and often championed Republican trade and regulatory policies that are at the root of the current economic crisis (as well as previous crises like Enron et al.'s energy scams and the tech sector crash).

I think about him every time I travel and hear hate radio on damn near every channel.



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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:24 PM
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105. silly Mike Malloy line
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 05:25 PM
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110. Just acknowledging some of his policy "accomplishments"
Like utterly irresponsible financial, accounting and media deregulation.

Not to mention the blazing sucesses of NAFTA and GATT (now the WTO).
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:43 PM
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120. ha ha
ok, oh wise one, how does your opinion of his policies make him a Republican?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 07:14 AM
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134. The policies and the results speak for themselves
Let's pretend: If someone enabled, legitimized and signed into law a set of Domestic policies that not only looked stupid -but were also set up and furthered by the worst of Republicans-

what would you

wyldwolf -have said about it at the time?

Curious.
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:14 PM
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101. He saved medicare back in 1993
Alot of people aren't aware of this. Had Clinton not eliminated the cap on medicare taxes before the 1994 GOP revolution (back when the dems still controlled the senate & house in the first 2 years of Clinton's presidency) the medicare system would be in much, much worse shape than it is now. No way in hell a GOP congress would've ever gone along with a tax hike on medicare when eliminating the program was a major initiative of them.

I think medicare raises about $400 billion a year, and SS raises about $600 billion despite the SS tax being 12.4% vs 2.9% for medicare. The reason is that medicare isn't capped at 100k like SS taxes are.

If Clinton hadn't done that our medicare revenue would probably only be $150-200 billion a year now instead of the $400-500 billion/year that it is.

My math could be wrong though. But I'm assuming if SS, capped at 100k only raises $600 billion/yr at 12.4%, then medicare capped at 100k would only raise $150 billion a year. Instead, now that medicare has no cap, it raises $400 billion/yr.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:25 PM
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106. Compared to what we have now - he was super-sized #1 awesome president
we need to put things into perspective
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 05:26 PM
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111. So someone who makes mistakes such as NAFTA could be great if only
they had a disaster to deal with? Flawed argument. If he made bad policy in good times what on earth makes you think he would make better ones in bad times? He is big business and his policies reflected that.

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DawgHouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 05:32 PM
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112. He was a very good President. Too bad his two terms
were followed by an administration hell bent on going backwards. If only we could have kept some momentum going, who knows how far along we could have been by now?

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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 05:36 PM
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113. Clinton was not one of the best, but he was indeed good.
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S_E_Fudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:13 PM
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115. Bill Clinton was the best President since Truman in my estimation...
Certainly superior to any Republican during that time...

Didn't have the highs of LBJ, but obviously didn't have the lows either. Superior to JFK as President. OF course JFK meant more than just what he accomplished as President.

In the Schlesinger ranking system he would classify as "Near Great" in my opinion.
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:20 PM
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118. "Great Presidents are the ones who faced a national crisis"
I would disagree, in part. It's not only facing a national crisis with courage and efficiency that makes a President great. Sure, that too, but that's not the only criterion. One could say that Clinton "never had his chance at greatness" because he didn't have to deal with a 9/11, a Katrina, an Ike, what-have-you ... but you know what? We had 8 years of peace and prosperity and a booming economy, technological advancement, environmental protection, preservation of womens' rights, and most people had it good (many who don't have it so good now, myself included). We weren't attacked under Clinton, because they knew the warning signs that were ignored by the Bushies would have been picked up and acted upon under Clinton. That too makes a President great, and I think Clinton is fully worthy of the designation.
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trueblue2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:10 PM
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123. BILL Clinton was a **GREAT** President!
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 10:24 PM
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132. Page 256 of "The Audacity of Hope" (hardcover)
Obama agreed that Clinton was right to reform welfare as it was structured. Clinton gets a lot of flak from the purists about welfare reform, but I wonder how many of them know that Obama actually agrees with much of what Clinton did to restructure it.



Just sayin'...
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 12:57 PM
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136. Well he clearly took the record for blow jobs in the oval office.
It was fun explaining what oral sex is to my daughter! NOT
:evilfrown:
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