Damn it. I cant believe that I am actually feeling the need to defend HRC.

[bunnies]

What gives? I've been reading this site a mere 15 minutes this morning and I cant believe some of the posts I've read. And no, I'm not talking about the ones that argue the qualifications of others as compared to her. Those are fair.

But the ones that act like she'll be running around 'rogue' like some sort of super-hawk starting wars all over the planet are just plain laughable. At best.

Yeah, I know she called Obamas foreign policy naive and she disagrees with him on many levels... but the bottom line is that President Obama will be her boss and she will have to conform to *his* policies.

One more time. If Clinton takes the position of SOS, Obama will be her Boss. Obama will be the one who makes the ultimate decisions and everyone here, by now, should damn sure know that.

Furthermore, if she takes this position she's placing her entire career on the shoulders of the Obama administration. You think she wants to be combating Obama, even still?

Disclosure: I've never, ever pretended to be a Hillary fan - and I sure as hell dont love the DLC. But if Obama (who's displayed impeccable judgment his entire political career) thinks she's the right one for the job, I trust him.

The primaries are over. Maybe now we can ALL win.

[tularetom]

1. One reason I voted for Obama was he's smarter than me

The least I can do is trust his judgment. If he isn't concerned about Clinton being Sec of State, if he believes she's the person for the job, that's all I need to know.

Of course I'm skeptical, it's in my DNA. But Obama hasn't let me down yet.

[bunnies]

3. I agree.

And if Hillary feels so against his policy that she cant, in good conscience, promote it - I have every confidence she'll turn down the position. Another reason we have nothing to worry about.

[bvar22]

78. Obama has let me down....twice.

*Immunity for Telecoms

*$800 Billion Dollar gift for Wall St Barons, no strings attached


but who is keeping score.

[cwydro]

2. Thank you.

Good post.

[WI_DEM]

4. I trust Obama to choose the right people for his administration and if Hillary is one of them

then that is fine with me.

[Joe Chi Minh]

49. Same here.

[mkultra]

5. i dont like her.

Mostly because she took the campaign to a slanderously personal level reminiscent of GOP wedge issues. That aside, campaign style is forgivable and her political stance is very agreeable. She would make a fine SOS and, imho, an even better supreme court justice.


She can stay in the senate if she wants but she could have much greater impact as an Obama appointee.

[bunnies]

7. Indeed. If Obama can put the primary behind him...

we all should as well. Certainly he knows her as a person much better than I or anyone I know. And what better way, really, to unify the party?

If she accepts the position, it shows she has a great confidence in Obama, which really puts the primary rhetoric into perspective.

[sufrommich]

6. It's insulting to Obama. Some here seem convinced she'll

ride roughshod over him. As if he'll fall like a house of cards if she disagrees with him. Good grief.

[mkultra]

8. nah, if she gets nutty he wouldnt hesitate to cut her loose.

[bunnies]

9. Totally.

Its like some people dont know our President elect at all. How could anyone who's been paying attention assert that Obama could be that weak? :banghead:

[LostinVA]

13. And Hillary is known to be a team player in the Senate

She doesn't have a history of going "rogue," like Lieberman, etal.

However, I would prefer her to stay in the SEnate until she (hopefully) gets a court appointment). That's where -- I think -- she can do the most good for the Dems and the nation.

[bunnies]

21. I have a feeling that Obama will make sure that Hillary...

gets to where she wants to be politically. As long (of course) as he thinks where she wants to be is a good fit for his administration. I support them both in whatever they decide.

And I'm sure Hillary has a lot to consider. She can pretty much map out her political future the way she wants to. Not a bad position to be in! :)

[LostinVA]

25. Exactly -- for both PE Obama and Hillary!

She may well have more long-lasting influence (in a good way) than if she had become President!

[bunnies]

36. And on the other hand...

If she *does* still want to run in 2016 - helping the Obama admin. succeed in whatever capacity she chooses will set her up perfectly. Its a win-win-win-win-win!

[LostinVA]

39. EXACTLY -- so, wtf would she go Palin???

I know you're not a fan, but hasn't she been great from the Convention on? She's a team player. I'm on teh HRC email list, and starting from the Convention on, I've weekly received emails from "her" talking about supporting Obama.

[bunnies]

44. Shes done a fantastic job since the end of the primaries.

Which I'm sure, for a ling time, was difficult as hell. Honestly, until the end, I really never thought she'd lose. I cant imagine how it must have been for her.

I really do believe that she has the best interest of the country at heart. And if she joins Obama, I have no doubt that it will be whole-heartedly. Everyone saw what happened this year... Bush sunk the entire party. She needs him to be a success and she knows it.

Some people just arent thinking clearly. Again.

[LostinVA]

45. "She needs him to be a success and she knows it"

That's it in a nutshell.

Even if she persoanlly hates him (which I REALLY don't think is the case), she would never let that interfere in her political and public life.

[mkultra]

84. She is wise enough to know this

[mkultra]

59. i havent really seen it

But then again, im not in here communication stream. I know she publicly supports Obama but frankly , im not feeling it.

[bunnies]

61. A hundred rallies not enough for you?

Come on. Give the woman a break.

[LostinVA]

63. See???

[mkultra]

72. Thats what im getting, thats what i see

Her support feels pretty tepid. I'm willing to accept the possibility that im wrong about that. But thats the way i feel about it. It certainly doesn't detract from her excellent policy stance which i still like. You can no more expect an Obama partisan to fully embrace Hillary than you can expect kisses to Obama from Hillary supporters.

It was a rough primary, and now that its over, im sure these feelings will begin to fade.

What exactly are you looking for from me?

[bunnies]

73. You're entitled to your opinion.

Most definitely. I just wish everyone would keep an open mind. And by this post, it seems that you are. :hi:

[polmaven]

76. Just what would she need to do

to satisfy you? Declare that he is the one, the only, the second coming of the Messiah? Hillary has been all but forceful in her endorsement and support.

Get used to it. Hillary is going to remain a force in this country for a long time to come.

[mkultra]

81. I dont know. Not act like you perhaps

im not worried about her at all frankly. I don't expect her to snuggle up next to Obama and you better not expect me to get real comfy with her. Thats just the way it is unless she changes my mind.

I can tell you completely that i liked her before the primary season. In my view, she has not been "all but forceful" in her support of Obama. I think perhaps i doubt her sincerity now which may effect my view.


Needless to say, ill keep an open mind. I would prefer to return to the heady days of unabashed Clinton love. I would prefer to love her.

[LostinVA]

62. Whatever -- you have blinders on, and you know it

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[Beacool]

51. That's my hope for her.

I want her to run again in 2016. So, no SCOTUS, please. Besides, she has said that she's not interested in the position.

[Pirate Smile]

10. It is ridiculous.

[LostinVA]

11. Now you know why I did so much meditation during the Primaries

And, teh stuff today is nothing compared to some of those comments -- and comments directed at me, because I supported HRC.

You're a good egg, Bunnster.

:pals:

[bunnies]

17. Hey Lost!

:pals: You know, the farther we get from the primaries the more I realize how much it must have totally sucked sometimes to be a HRC supporter. And the irony of people attacking her campaign for nastiness by being twice as nasty as she ever thought of being. ugh.

I just think its insane that logic seems to evaporate sometimes at the mere mention of her name. And at the same time people are going after Obama for picking her as some sort of pay-back for her help post primary. Does Obama seem like the cronyism type to you?

Hell no. Silly season still I guess. :hi:

[LostinVA]

23. It was crazy, buns

In almost left DU for good because of it -- until I realized that the worst of it was a small group. I would get pissed at you, Debi, some others -- but it's how I get pissed at my friends, you know? It was different. Squabbling among friends is different than a fight in a parking lot at Xmas, you know?

I think HRC will be where she thinks she'll do the most good, and I think that's either the Senate or in a judgeship if nominated for one. Clinton is a known team player, and she is a righteous fighter to have on our side -- something the Clinton Haters seem to forget!It would be political suicide for PE Obama to fill his cabinet with cronies.

[bunnies]

28. Yeah...

I know I had my moments of acting like an ass. Sorry to piss ya off, lost. Being able to find common ground with you as often as we did was one of the things that made me really try to watch what I was saying, and how I said it.

I'd get into it with people then think *would I chat with lost this way?* Think of the jerk I might have been if not for you! :hug:

These days, it warms the heart to see Obama and Clinton working together. To the future! :toast:

[LostinVA]

40. Awwww

:blush:

That's really sweet!

:pals:

[Beacool]

54. Most Hillary supporters DID leave DU.

The place was poisonous for Hillary supporters. Ditto for KOS and Huff. Some may have come back, I'm not sure. Just a few of us stalwarts remained to defend her and Bill.

:-(

[always_saturday]

77. I was a Hillary supporter, too

And I gave my support 100% to Obama when he got the nomination locked up, but I still don't understand how it is around here that you can bash Hillary, Edwards and any other dem candidate to your heart's content - but Obama is off limits. Why is that? I truly would like to know.

[bunnies]

79. You obviously missed the primaries on DU.

Consider yourself lucky.

[ProSense]

12. Maybe it's because some people, including me, don't believe she's qualified

Another thing driving this is the half-assed rumor mongering by the media.

It's simply bizarre how this rumor took on a life of it's own. The media is now attributing the rumor not only to anonymous sources, but also anonymoous friends of sources.

[bunnies]

14. As I said in my OP...

I believe the arguments re: qualifications are fair.

And as for the media... hey, at least they stopped takling about Palin for 5 minutes! :rofl:

[ProSense]

32. And as for the media... hey, at least they stopped takling about Palin for 5 minutes! OMG!

:rofl:

[Skwmom]

15. So if she and Bill don't want to conform what is Obama going to do about it?

She would not be any old SOS that he could get rid of. And if he did bite the bullet and get rid of her it would make him look stupid for appointing her in the first place.

[LostinVA]

18. WTF does Bill Clinton have to do with it?

And, Senator Clinton is known as a team player, as she has proven from the Convention on.

[bunnies]

19. I have every confidence that she will not accept the position if...

she feels that she is incapable of promoting Obamas policies. Why would she want to put herself in that position? Going against Obama would only hurt herself.

[Occam Bandage]

37. First, that's ridiculous.

As SoS, her reputation and success will be exactly that of the Obama White House. If she undermines Obama, she undermines herself.

Secondly, even if she did decide, "Hey, I think I'll torpedo my entire career for no good reason," Obama could let her go, saying that she was just a transitional appointment serving as a bridge to his preferred choice.

[Marrah_G]

16. It's never ending here at DU

[LostinVA]

20. My opinion? Some miss the drama and "excitement" of the Primary Wars

Whereas the emotional adults on here want to move forward and help ourselves and the nation recover from Bush.

Don't we all know people like that IRL? Who ALWAYS have to have some drama or argument going? It's the same people on here and IRL.

[Marrah_G]

24. Good point

I got so pissed this morning over this crap, that I've decided to just click ignore at any post that makes me want to scream "go fuck yourself with the thorny end of a rose"

I'm having some nice herbal tea and waiting for lunch to get here.

[LostinVA]

26. Is "nice herbal tea" code for "straight-up vodka"?

[Marrah_G]

31. With the day I am having- I totally wish it was

[Beacool]

58. Did you expect anything else?

Same bashers, different month.

:shrug:

[TexasObserver]

22. Obama is brilliant and Hillary is highly qualified. Good choice.

He knows what he's doing.

I would encourage anyone who wants to better understand Obama to read Audacity of Hope. He lays out his philosophy and gameplan in detail in that book. This guy is serious about changing the way business in Washington is done.

He's going to try to use the talents of Hillary Clinton, of John McCain, of Chuck Hagel and Richard Lugar.

[AtomicKitten]

27. Her "obliterate Iran" comment is indefensible.

That alone should disqualify her from even being considered for SoS.

[bunnies]

30. Well..

The Putin has no soul thing doesnt really help either. But Obama must see or know something we dont. Theres a reason he thinks she would be right in that position. Perhaps as a counterweight to him?

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[Lilith Velkor]

82. Bingo.

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[Cosmic Charlie]

34. don't worry. she's not the pick.

[w4rma]

35. When is Hillary going to put an end to her lawsuit in Florida against the DNC? (nt)

[bunnies]

38. Hillary has filed no such lawsuit.

:eyes:

[LostinVA]

41. Check PM

[w4rma]

43. DiMaio v. Democratic National Committee

http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/DiMaiov.DemocraticNationalCommittee.php

[bunnies]

52. Victor DiMaio is not Hillary Clinton.

In fact, her name isn't mentioned ANYWHERE on that page you sent me to. Hillary doesnt control everyone in the universe you know. Geezus. :eyes:

[LostinVA]

57. YOU HILLAROID

ahehehehehhehehehe

:pals:

[bunnies]

60. roflmao

:spray: I've been called a lot of things in my life.... :rofl: :pals:

[LostinVA]

64. I thought you would like that!

hehehehe

[LostinVA]

65. I thought you would like that!

hehehehe

[w4rma]

66. Show me where she's said anything against the lawsuit or told anyone to retract it, then. (nt)

[LostinVA]

68. May I hug you for totally proving a point of mine???

Buns -- behold the last nine months of my life on DU!

[bunnies]

70. You've got to be kidding me.

Then by your "logic" Obama is suing the FL DNC too. Show me where he's said anything against the lawsuit or told anyone to retract it, then.

See how ridiculous that is?

[LostinVA]

71. Why don't you go play with your friends on Capital Hill???

hehehehehehehe

[bunnies]

74. shhhh!

Operation Obamatard is in full swing. You'll blow my cover! :spank: :rofl:

[leftynyc]

75. You called it HER lawsuit

Why don't you just admit you fucked up?

[w4rma]

80. It was filed to help her "win" the primary by her surrogates. (nt)

[leftynyc]

83. I see we're just pulling things out

of our asses now. Enjoy your paranoia.

[Metric System]

93. Oh, so THAT's what her time machine is for!

[TankLV]

42. The fucking IDIOTS who are irrational Clinton haters are out in force again...

They disgust me...

[Cosmic Charlie]

46. the Fucking MORANS who tried to pressure Obama into making Hillary VP are at it again...

Inconceivable!

[LostinVA]

47. I think "The Young and the Restless" is on

That's a way better soap than "Primary Wars 2008."

[Cosmic Charlie]

50. I thought 'Primary Wars' was canceled but some folks keep playing reruns

every time Obama has to make a big pick.

[LostinVA]

55. I think you're preaching to the wrong group -- read teh OPs

[bunnies]

67. I understand.

Its hard to read with your head shoved up your ass. I was never a Clinton supporter. Thanks for playing though!

[LostinVA]

69. OMFG

:rofl:

[joshcryer]

87. It will never, ever, end.

Ever.

[1corona4u]

88. Agreed.

[Beacool]

48. That's precisely why I hope that she is NOT in his cabinet.

I don't want Obama to be her boss. Why should she relinquish her power seat in the senate to take a job where she'll only serve at the pleasure of the president?

:eyes:

[bunnies]

53. Thats her decision.

I'm sure she's capable of making it for herself.

[Beacool]

56. Of course, I'm just hoping that she stays away from his cabinet.

Not that I don't think that she would be superb at it, quite the contrary. Obama has his supporters to consider, Kerry is lobbying hard for the SOS position and Richardson is hoping to get it too.

[joshcryer]

86. Hillary could be far more "rogue-like" in the Senate.

[backscatter712]

89. I've been insanely angry with her during the primaries...

but it's clear that Obama and Clinton have come to reconciliation since then.

If Obama feels that Hillary Clinton would be a worthy member of his cabinet, who am I to argue otherwise?

[cooolandrew]

90. Hillary has proved herself a team player. Added to this Bill Clinton said if Obama calls her>

to play any role in th an administration, she would do her duty. Hillary has done her party proud, and deserves every credit for that. You can't get more supportive than over 50 appearances for Barack really.

[cooolandrew]

91. Just read saw "Hillary is 44" and as cold as the site is they made a good point >

Hillary couldn't take the position as her platform said she wouldn't meet with certain world leaders. Although you never know.

[MarjorieG]

92. I'm a Kerry fan, defensive that he get his due, but as chair SFRC, Biden VP, Hillary a team player.

Kerry knows more of what he'd need to know, extract meaningful gains on the spot, could pursue diplomacy on climate change, but as a chess play, as Hillary might not want to Jr Senator, a decent option.

I think she could do wonders with health care in the Senate-though mandates now up to Obama and others, probably a no.