Where in the proposed Obama Adm are the people that HAVE demonstrated wisdom and judgment?

[Skwmom]

Where are the people who were right about NAFTA and GATT leading to an overwhelming loss of American jobs, worker exploitation and environmental devastation because these agreements failed to provide for worker and environmental protections?

Where are the people who were right about financial deregulation leading to a financial crisis?

Where are the people who were right about global warming?

Where are the people who were right about the Iraq War being a dumb idea?

Where are the people who were right on a host of other crucial issues?

Forget the labeling - liberal, conservative, moderate.

Where are the people, that if they would have been listened to, we wouldn't be in this mess? Will they be part of the Obama administration? Are they under consideration for top posts?

On edit: It's all about judgment, judgment, judgment, judgment, and NOT about name recognition and knowing how Washington works (people who know how Washington works can always be consulted). If you can introduce your administration as people that demonstrated judgment and wisdom on the crucial issues of the day, I think confidence in the Obama administration will soar. But what do I know, I'm not a genius political consultant or politician.

[truedelphi]

1. I, too, am noticing my outrage level rising. But, but I keep hoping that

This is just the transition team - that after the transition, say on Jan 21st, things will
change.

[Skwmom]

3. Isn't it just plain old COMMON SENSE, that the people that were right about the MAJOR issues

would be the ones you would definitely want to play a part in your administration (rather than the idiots that got led us here in the first place)

[Occam Bandage]

Which "idiots that got us here in the first place" has he hired for his cabinet?

This should be interesting.

[PassingFair]

18. Rahm Emanuel...

for one.

[Occam Bandage]

22. LIAF. CoS is not a Cabinet position,

nor does it have anything to do with policy. He's an arm-twister and little more.

[Skwmom]

33. Hmm... But he will have Obama's ear on a daily basis.... Surely, you understand that?

[Occam Bandage]

38. Perhaps you think Obama is as mentally deficient as you yourself are.

I assure you that he is quite capable of listening to and then adequately critiquing and, if need be, dismissing the opinions of one person. He has over a thousand advisers. Over one thousand. And you're worried that he's going to be brainwashed by his muscle?

You're just looking for things to be upset about.

[truedelphi]

59. And to me it seems to be a warning that just a day or two after

Rahm's Chief of Staff position was announced, Hillary's possible appointment as SOS is leaked to the press.

[Window]

67. I believe Rahm is perfect for the job of Chief of Staff.

Too much TV is not good.

[L0oniX]

68. This is what I expected and why I voted for the lessor of the 2 evils.

Kucinich was my choice. Obama, how be it better than McLame is just another politician who lies like they all do. I am sure we didn't expect "change" to be bringing in all the old fucks that helped Clinton bring the party to the right and caused the Dems to loose seats and wouldn't go after Osama and terrorists after they bombed us the first time. Madeline Albright & Warren Christopher WTF? Fucking old geezer ghosts of the past. WTF why not bring back Janet Reno too while yer at it. I thought this was going to be a new thing and group of leaders, not regurgitated fuck wads from the 90's. I guess there's just no place for real lefties in the Dem party. We just get used like a french tickler rubber.

:evilfrown:

[Teaser]

2. Since there is no Obama administration yet

no one can answer these questions.

[Skwmom]

5. Well are they under consideration? I keep hearing we have to have people

who know the ways of Washington. How about we need to have people that were RIGHT on the crucial issues of our day? Is that just to much to ask for?

[Occam Bandage]

7. Nobody knows who's under consideration but Obama and his inner circle.

The "advisors" leaking shit to the media? About as reliable as you or I are, considering that Obama has over 700 advisors on foreign policy alone.

[Skwmom]

11. I think considering people who were right on crucial issues is an IMPORTANT fact to raise BEFORE

he makes any decision.

[Occam Bandage]

15. How do you know that isn't his first criterion? What are you basing all this on?

[Teaser]

9. I have no idea what you're talking about.

All we have heard so far are leaks and innuendo. Mostly these leaks are from the interested parties themselves, who want a job with the new administration, and leak out possible scenario as a way of applying pressure.

In short, there is no Obama administration, and there is nothing to be worried about yet. Because, literally, nothing has happened.

Which means of course all of DU will be in a froth by Monday.

[Skwmom]

17. Well I believe in being PROACTIVE. What a NOVEL idea. Instead of

waiting until he picks his admin, I'm going to voice my concerns based on what I've heard to date.

And isn't that one of the reasons they have leaks. To garner public reaction?

[Occam Bandage]

20. Why do you beat your children? Can't you be a good parent without beating children?

I'm soundly opposed to beating children.

Well, I don't mean to say that you beat your children. Or that you're even a parent. It's just that I'm voicing my concerns that you might beat your children later down the road. It's never too early to start being proactive.

[Skwmom]

36. This reminds me of the argument that we can't support gay marriage b/c it will lead to

people wanting to marry an animal.

[Occam Bandage]

40. ...

You cannot possibly be this dumb.

[tomp]

61. why not?

since everyone is dumber than you, anything is possible.

[Teaser]

37. u winz th3 thr34d.

.

[Occam Bandage]

4. Where are the people who weren't? The Obama administration

is:

1. Barack Obama.
2. Joe Biden.
3. A pair of Chiefs of Staff, who have nothing to do with policy whatsoever, but rather are supercharged office managers.

I think it's a bit too early to be OMG OUTRAGED yet.

[Teaser]

6. It's never too early to be OMG OUTRAGED on DU

You been here long?

[Skwmom]

8. I think the time to raise the question is BEFORE the appointments are set in stone. Don't you?

[Occam Bandage]

10. So, rather, your OP should be something like "I hope we see people like X appointed,"

instead of "WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE LIKE X I AM SO OUTRAGED." It's kind of hard to take outrage seriously when it's outrage over an uninformed hypothetical.

Here, here's a hypothetical: A top Obama advisor suggests Dick Cheney will be Obama's Attorney General. There, go start some posts complaining.

[Teaser]

16. Those are motorized goalposts.

In your OP you ask "Where are all the people who X".


This more than implies that "There are many people who ~X"

When it is pointed out that there aren't enough people yet to either X or ~X, you're throwing this out as a trial balloon style post designed to anticipate a problem before it happens (a problem which your OP implicitly assumes already exists).

There are multiple logical errors here.

[cali]

19. I think you have jackshit to do with the appointments no matter how

OMG OUTRAGED you are.

[Telly Savalas]

77. There's good reason to believe that the number of all caps posts

on left-leaning blogs will be a major consideration when Obama chooses his cabinet.

[TexasObserver]

12. They're there. Why would you think they're not there?

It's been TEN DAYS since the election. He's named ONE person, his Chief of Staff.

Maybe you should step away from the worry machine and let him do his job. He's going to pick people, and those people are going to be people whose names are well known, and whose histories are well known.

Or does he need to let you pick all his people, since you obviously are better at it than him?

What are your qualifications to make such assessments, by the way? Better or worse than Sarah Palin's?

[Skwmom]

25. I have a right to voice my opinion. There are PLENTY of people who are well known

that haven't done such a great job when it comes to this country.

It makes sense to me to say....hmmm... who was really right about the crucial issues, that if we would have taken their advise we wouldn't be in this mess....Rather then, let's just pick someone because of name recognition and hope they've learned from their colossal mistakes.

I'm tired of hearing that Obama needs to pick people that are well known. Well if you pick someone that had the wisdom and judgment to be right on crucial issues of the day, (even though they aren't well known) I think the American People will have a lot more confidence in that crowd than the former.

[Occam Bandage]

26. Of course you have that right. And so do all the people

who are telling you that you're full of shit.

[TexasObserver]

29. I said your opinion is poorly drawn, not that you don't have a right to it.

I also said you are wrong about the things you've asserted.

But you prefer to play the victim, and act as if the issue is whether I'm going to "allow" you to have an opinion.

You've made an idiotic OP, based upon your entirely naive belief that ten days after the election Obama should have assembled a team of Code Pink members to be his Kitchen Cabinet.

[Window]

69. That is quite an insult to Obama and his transition team.

"It makes sense to me to say....hmmm... who was really right about the crucial issues, that if we would have taken their advise we wouldn't be in this mess....Rather then, let's just pick someone because of name recognition and hope they've learned from their colossal mistakes."

Do you really have that little respect for President-Elect Obama.

[cali]

13. try and get a clue: there currently is NO OBAMA ADMINISTRATION

Not a single fucking cabinet member has been appointed. With the exception of Emanuel, no staff has been appointed.

Disgusting watching people leap to their foregone conclusions with so little evidence to support them. Nothing new for some of you, but still pathetic.

And what people are you talking about? Who is it that you think should be named to Obama's staff or cabinet?

[mtnsnake]

45. There is nothing you can do or say

to change the same old hateful sentiment that always ends up taking precedence on this forum for so many of its posters. Those people are simply saying things without any evidence to back up their claims because it's their way of stirring up misery and disenchantment in the meantime. They'll never be happy no matter what Obama decides. Never ever ever ever because it's really their own special interests that they think should be addressed and nothing else.

[Skwmom]

70. Oh yes, what a hateful person I am just because I think

judgment AND wisdom, and being right on the important issues of our day should be an important criteria for making appointments (and not name recognition and being a Washington Insider, especially when you were WRONG about many of the important issues and helped drive this country into the ditch).

It's a pretty sad day when this is considered a "special interest."

In America not only do we revel in our stupidity, we want to reward it.

[cali]

71. I don't think you're hateful.

neccessarily, more like not terribly well informed and narrow minded.

[scheming daemons]

14. The two at the top... Obama and Biden

Not a single cabinet position has been named yet.

Your outrage is premature.

[kestrel91316]

21. Quit bitching. We won. You lost. YEAH, I mean YOU.

Awfully busy complaining and trying to undermine support for Obama, I notice.

[Skwmom]

27. I voted for Obama and worked to get him elected.

But I don't blindly support anyone and ISN'T that what Obama has told us - that people should take an active role and voice their opinions?

[kestrel91316]

31. I'm sure if he had wanted YOU PERSONALLY as his top adviser,

he would have picked you.

It's not all about YOU and what YOU want.

[PassingFair]

52. No, apparently, it's to be about corporations and foreign wars.

I haven't heard any good progressive's names
being bandied about, either....

[OwnedByFerrets]

55. Lest YOU forget.....WE WE WE WE WE

are the fucking government. It IS about what I want and what HE wants. WE have a right to tell our representatives what WE want. What about that don't you understand? Or should be be like bushites and just follow along blindly?

[FrenchieCat]

23. Barack Obama's administration as yet to be named.....number 1.

Number 2, Barack Obama himself showed correct judgement on the issues you listed.....so of those who will be in the administration, Barack Obama at the top actually answers your question.

[lligrd]

24. Most Of Us Are Here Posting On DU nt

[Politics_Guy25]

28. To the OP

If most people thought the way that you did, we would be back in the minority and the presidency woulde be LOST in no time. Your thinking helped Ralph Nader in 2000 as well.

BTW, thanks for your concern.

[Skwmom]

30. What good is winning the presidency if we continue down the same path?

If that's the case, why not just let the Republicans be the captain (President) of this sinking ship?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

35. !

:applause:

[Skwmom]

41. If it's all about WINNING, and NOT governing, then who does that remind you of?

Hint... They are great a winning elections, terrible at governing.

[Occam Bandage]

42. You seem to believe that Democrats have to choose between the two. nt

[Skwmom]

65. So if we appoint people who were right on the major issues of our day,

which had they been listened to we wouldn't be in this mess, we would be back in the minority and the Republicans would win the presidency in no time?

Hmmm... If that's the case, we are in worse shape than I thought.

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[Occam Bandage]

44. Skw, you might want to stop for a second and think about the fact

that Grovelbot here is the only poster who is not telling you that you're being an idiot.

[GalleryGod]

47. Well put, Indeed.

Say G'nite Mrs. Calabash, where ever you are!:patriot:

[Skwmom]

49. Well, it won't be the first time that I've been the lone voice in a sea of

opposite opinion. But, experience has taught me that the majority is far from always right.

So it's idiotic to encourage that demonstration of wisdom and judgment in the crucial issues of our day be considered an important criteria in putting together an administration? I find it mind-boggling that you consider that idiotic?

Forget about judgment and wisdom. It's all about name recognition and knowing how Washington works. Form over substance. Hey wait a minute, isn't that what the Republicans have relied upon?

[GreenArrow]

72. Hey, I'm on your side

And I can guarantee you that when Obama does end up picking a cabinet full of Clinton retreads and other insiders, the same toxic assholes who are on here now nitpicking and browbeating you will be on here defending those picks.

Your opinion is valid and your instincts are good.

[Beausoir]

34. What administration? All we've seen is internet rumors and Clinton bashing.

Let the guy put his people in place before you start freaking out.

[yellowcanine]

39. Why are you going on like this? NO policy appointments have been announced.

Just a teeny bit premature, don't you think?

[Skwmom]

43. Because, I'd rather make my concerns known BEFORE rather than after the fact.

And based on what I've heard to date, I think it is a valid concern.

[yellowcanine]

46. You have heard squat because nothing has been announced. Little better than reading tea leaves.

No basis for ANY concerns, valid or otherwise. What you have heard is gossip. Do you ordinarily make judgments based on gossip?

[Avalux]

48. Please. Obama has announced ZERO cabinet positions.

Once he releases names, then you can complain. Until then, you're just adding to the hysteria the media is trying to create.

Ridiculous.

[Skwmom]

50. Again. Why can't I voice my concern BEFOREHAND, as in before his administration is set in

stone?

Let me see...

I think X is very important to consider in making a decision. But I should wait until the decision is made to voice my concern that X should be considered in making that decision? Isn't this kind of "reasoning" what got us in this mess to begin with?

[mwei924]

60. But you're making assumptions about his choices that are not based on anything.

He hasn't picked anyone yet. Right now it's just a big list of people.

[demokatgurrl]

51. Right at the top. n/t

[cameozalaznick]

53. Paging Ross Perot.

That giant sucking sound you hear...

[GoesTo11]

54. The main thing I agree with you on is: Al Gore needs to have some role

I assume he will, but look forward to seeing what it is.

[jenmito]

56. Besides Rahm Emmanuel, all we know is rumor and speculation. n/t

[jenmito]

57. How can you be concerned about something you have no knowledge of? n/t

[bunnies]

58. *** There is no Obama administration yet. ***

:wtf: Is there something in the water around here?

[babylonsister]

62. Where's the list of the people in the proposed admin? I haven't seen it. nt

[DevonRex]

63. Since the "proposed" administration is all in your head, I suggest

you look there for your answer.

Then yell at yourself for the choices.

[TheWraith]

64. Ahem. President Obama, anyone?

He nailed all of the above.

[Born_A_Truman]

66. Let's see YOUR list of who should be the top people

AFAIK not one cabinet member has been named by Obama. I'd like to see names here of people you think have been right on all the issues, so we know if he will have your approval.

[GeorgeGist]

73. How astute ...

now relax and watch the show.

[Thrill]

74. No one has been named there. Lets wait and see who is picked

Stop believing the media who pull names out of their ass

[Jennicut]

75. Sigh. We are all the Dem party and former Clintonites are Dems too. Isn't too early to start this?

Can I enjoy the inauguration first? Please?

[MadMaddie]

76. Ummm its been what one week?

Seriously everyone needs to take a breath...most President Elects don't pick their cabinets and high posts and publicize it until January.

Give the guy a break he is actually determining who is best.....

It's taken 8 solid fucked up years to get to this point in this country....at least give President Elect Obama at least a month to solidify his cabinet and other picks.

Geeze...:wtf: :banghead: