Andrew Sullivan and the New Yorker: Senator Clinton a threat to President-Elect Obama?

[Politics_Guy25]

What should I make of these two snippets? Should I dismiss them out of hand?

First from Andrew:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/week46/index.html

Blog entry is at 5:01 on Thursday night.

The Permanent Menace
I hope Obama is vigilant:

“You watch,” he said. “In a year, the Clintons will orchestrate a campaign to declare this a failed Presidency.”

They will if they can. Obama's most dangerous foe remains now who it has always been. And she's not a Republican.

And the New Yorker opines here: http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2008/11/17/081117ta_talk_paumgarten

The host predicted that President Obama would have a miserable term and face a challenge from within his own party in 2012, likely from Hillary Clinton. “You watch,” he said. “In a year, the Clintons will orchestrate a campaign to declare this a failed Presidency.”

I realize that this will be controversial so I want to tread very lightly. To say that red flags have been raised in my mind would be accurate.

However, at the same time, the Clintons' legacy could be damaged and I doubt that they would want to do this, Plus, what is their incentive? To me, the risks are far far greater than the rewards.

So all in all, call BS on this or not?

Edit: And their ferociously strong campaigning for Obama would argue and the lack of leaks designed to hurt him during the campaign tend to argue against this as well. Plus, I for one reject the premise out of hand that this will be anything but an amazingly succesful presidency. The New Yorker host probably is a rabid GOP wingnut the more I think of it as well

[Captain Hilts]

1. It's total bullshit. How many of these rumors have to be proven false before people stop believing?

[HeraldSquare212]

2. It sounds like a Star War movie: Obama and the Permanent Menace.

[SeaLyons]

3. Definitely Bullshit!!

[TankLV]

4. Total bullshit. Can we PLEASE put a STOP to all this IRRATIONAL Clinton Hatred?!!!

These people are NUTS...

[DJ13]

5. PUMA needs to be put to sleep

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

6. I really don't understand why Obama would ever consider her.

I think it's a disastrous decision with disastrous consequences.

[Occam Bandage]

7. That's bullshit coming from the same folks who thought

she'd spend this campaign trying to undermine him. She worked her heart out for him, and she'll continue to do so.

[TexasObserver]

8. Why should Andrew Sullivan's rank speculation matter?

The job of a writer is to be read.

It's not complicated. Controversy sells.

[11cents]

9. You understand that Andrew Sullivan is intensely misogynistic, right?

And that his *own friends* describe him as someone who can't live without having someone to hate? And that Hillary Clinton has been the object of his hatred for many years?

I know he sometimes says things that garner DU approval; he sometimes even says things that are smart. But he's completely lacking in emotional self-control; he's like a shrieking child. That much is obvious just from his appearances on shows like Real Time (which sometimes appear meth-fueled), but it's also what people who know him say.

But I think there are people on DU who can't live without someone to hate too.

[SuperTrouper]

10. Hey, enough of the Hillary hatred. She has proven herself quite a champion for

President-elect Obama as she tirelessly campaigned for his election during the GE. I believe that Hillary and Obama have made their peace and that there is a growing good relationship between the two of them and that these rumors are just a distraction for the transition team and a dis-service for Hillary. Of course we can discuss and debate these issues here at DU without attacking Hilary or Obama. The Primaries and the GE are over and now we have to march in unison to make Obama a very successful President: our future as a nation and as a party depends on it.

[Marsala]

11. Sullivan hates the Clintons unfairly

Remember that he is only "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". Sullivan turned on the Republicans because of Bush's enormities. He is no fan of the Clintons, who have been demonized by their enemies far beyond what is warranted.

[Arkansas Granny]

12. I think you should consider the source and dismiss these snippets out of hand.

[PM Martin]

13. Eww! Sullivan has an irrational hatred for the Clintons.

I don't expect much from him. But this is stupid.
Hillary made some 80 appearances on behalf of Obama.
Clinton and Obama agree on 90% of policy.
The Andrew Sullivans of this world need to DROP DEAD!!! :mad: They are of no value to the world!

[Barack_America]

14. I vote "bullshit". Are they suggesting the Clintons are traitors?

Good Lord, the Clintons love to play political games, but I highly doubt that they'd put gamesmanship over the good of the country. That's a ridiculous suggestion to make.

[bunnies]

15. wow.

My head hurts. :banghead:

[ben_meyers]

16. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

nt.

[ronnykmarshall]

17. Fuck you Andrew!

[LostinVA]

18. Bunnies -- oh Bunnies --

[bunnies]

20. here!

Still bangin my head on the wall. Its like I got a new pair of eyes today, thats fer sure.

[LostinVA]

21. Go over to the "Why can't you people get over it?" thread

Tres exciting.

[vaberella]

19. I don't know about Clinton but as to the possibility of a coup of sorts...

I can believe it. I remember when Dinkins became mayor of NY, it was historical. And now he's made history as being considered one of the worst Mayor's of New York history. This is unfortunate because it was actually under Dinkins that crime decreased in New York not Guilliani, but don't tell the Guilliani freaks that. They think only G was able to do something and Dinkins' was a joke. Every turned on Dinkins' and he became basically a sad old man who was a politician and not working for the people, which wasn't true. So I can see something similar happening to Obama.

[11cents]

22. There was no "coup" against Dinkins.

He won election as a Democrat. Four years later he was defeated by a Republican. The end.

[vaberella]

24. ~sigh~ I said a "coup of sorts." I didn't mean an ousting of him.

Which was mentioned clearly in my statement. It wasn't a physical coup since that can't really happen in the US and if it did, it would be done by tons of red tape and renamed "impeachment". IN any event, this was more like social respect, where he was turned into a pariah, a failure.

I meant the declaration of his standing as a Mayor to being one of the worst New York has had. Basically anything he had done or tried to do was considered a failure and turned against him and he lost standing as being reputable. I live in NYC, paticularly Harlem and he is not admired or even really talked about. G on the other hand put the fear of God in the lives of minorities. In any event, the things he did such as in decrease in the crime rate was actually credited to G when he didn't do that but increased the power of the police nad basically turned NYC into a police city, with periodic SWAT drills in the streets.

[LostinVA]

23. Who was Mayor "Dickins"???

[vaberella]

25. That's me with bad spelling...pardon. Former Mayor David Dinkins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Dinkins

[Afikpo Chic]

26. The Clintons are not happy with Obama...

and will do anything to derail him. Obama, to be fore-warned is to be ....

Long spoon, my dear, very very extra long spoon.

I have seen the enemy and the enemy is right here, right now. AHEM!!!!!!!