Why can't you get over it?

[BzaDem]

When Obama won, nearly all Hillary supporters still here immediately got behind the nominee. Not just nominally -- they quickly warmed up to Obama, saw his many positive qualities, and worked their heart out for him to be the next president. And now they are very excited that he will be president, and think he will do a great job.

Yet when the possibility emerges that he might pick Senator Clinton to be Secretary of State, people flip out. Not because she isn't qualified (regardless of what people here might say, few would seriously argue that she is not qualified for that position). Not because they think Clinton will commandeer Obama's presidency (most people realize that the Secretary of State reports directly to the President, and carries out the policies of the President and no one else). It is because they still can't get over the primary fight.

Why can't you (you know who you are) get over it? Your primary opponents got over it almost immediately. Why can't you get over it after 6 months? What would be the gigantic problem if Obama picked Hillary to be Secretary of State?

[onehandle]

1. Never! Gravel was ROBBED! nt

[bunnies]

2. Power to the People!!

:rofl:

[AspenRose]

46. I'm convinced there's something in the water in Alaska.

:rofl:

[BlueEyedSon]

77. ....and don't forget Kucinich!

[GarbagemanLB]

3. It is truly pathetic. And this comes from a die-hard Obama supporter in the primaries.

[LostinVA]

4. Drama queens who have a busted Wii

[Maven]

11. ...

:spray:

[ronnykmarshall]

5. Some people will never get over it.

And they still obsess over former DU'ers at "that site" and make little hints of people "under the radar" or "within the 'in' crowd" that are still "of suspect".

[LostinVA]

7. THAT is the weirdest and creepiest thing to me

Cyber stalking people who aren't even in your sphere any more . Truly pathological -- and, I mean that seriously.

[always_saturday]

6. "You people"? Condescending much?

[BzaDem]

9. Fine, changed title.

[LostinVA]

10. The OP isn't Condescending at all -- if it doesn't address you, then it's NOT you

[TheWraith]

8. Actually no, the Hillary supporters did not immediately get behind the nominee. That's the problem.

There was a scorched-earth campaign here right up until the day that DU shut down primary debate, even though it had been obvious for months that Clinton just could not win. And still there remain a crowd who take every opportunity to say "Clinton would have been better." Hell, the day after Election Day there were people insisting up and down that Hillary would have won 35 states.

Furthermore, I'd be hard pressed to describe why Clinton is qualified as Secretary of State when you consider the alternatives like Richardson, Kerry, and Clark. She supported the Iraq War, sabre-rattling against Iran, and no diplomacy with people who don't like us. She's about as far away from Obama as you can be on foreign policy and still be in the party.

I'll say the same thing I said during the primaries: I'm not going to give a pass to lies and bullshit in the name of unity. If you're not going to behave in a reality-based way, then you're not going to like what I have to say.

[BzaDem]

12. Oh please.

No diplomacy with people who don't like us? Exaggerate much? Her position if I remember correctly was no presidential level talks without preconditions. And as far as that position goes, Obama sets the agenda. If he wants SOS-level talks, Hillary would be extreme qualified to do the talking.

And I believe Kerry supported the Iraq war. So that reason of yours is out.

And you must have been looking at a different DU than I was looking at, because I saw very little (if any) of what you describe. Even if people didn't come around immediately, they certainly did before election day. Yet we have people like you, AFTER election day, almost 6 months later, who still haven't gotten over it.

[AllentownJake]

14. If the situation was reversed

After how hard I worked in the PA primary for Obama...I'd be acting just like them and still think Obama would be a better President even after a gigantic Hillary win and still would think he would have done better. I would have gladly after a month to get over it volunteered for Hillary. Just not as hard as Obama...what's your point.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

15. Bless your heart. You keep on believin' that. :-)

Or you are a hidden Freeper trying to cause discord.

LET. IT. GO.

[rvablue]

17. From a Hillary primary supporter who immediately got behind Obama:

FU and grow up, seriously.

Winning of course isn't enough for you. Every little thing is going to have to go your way or you're going to bitch about it.

I wonder if you would have gotten behind Hillary if she won the nomination. The answer is no.

And your final sentence is a carbon copy of what the few, very few and very lame Clinton holdouts said about Obama after the primary was over:

"I'll say the same thing I said during the primaries: I'm not going to give a pass to lies and bullshit in the name of unity. If you're not going to behave in a reality-based way, then you're not going to like what I have to say."

The hypocrisy is mind boggleing. And something tells me, I'm going to be much more please with the Obama presidency than you are because I realize that I'm not going to have every pet issue of mine addressed exactly, to a tee, the way I want it. And I'm not going to whine about it either.

[redstate_democrat]

21. You've hit the nail on its head.

[JVS]

83. Don't forget the constant concern and other fine critiques that so many gave before being banned.

It was truly something. Something awful.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

106. speaking of something awful ...

if the op fits ...

[abumbyanyothername]

99. Taking the points one at a time

<There was a scorched-earth campaign . . .>

And in the end it HELPED Barack far more than it hurt him in the general election. As a result of the hard fought primaries, Barack had organization in nearly all 50 states. Although it was fortunate that McCain chose to repeat all of Hillary's losing arguments.

<<Furthermore, I'd be hard pressed to describe why Clinton is qualified as Secretary of State. . . >>

Well, fortunately, we didn't vote for you, we voted for Barack Obama. Your opinion matters very little in the decision.

<<I'm not going to give a pass to lies and bullshit in the name of unity.>>

Who is asking you to? I just suggest you look at the evidence. Hillary and her supporters helped Barack far more than any other primary candidate and supporters in recent (covering all 51 years of my life) history. Did you vote against Hillary or for Barack?

<<. . . you're not going to like what I have to say.>>

Based on a sample of one post, I would say that will be quite likely.

[lumberjack_jeff]

122. Bullshit. The scorched earth came from those who were convinced that HRC would be the GOP VP.

[psychmommy]

123. i remember those days.

a lot of tombstones were given when we changed over to gd presidential. all of the candidates had folks that never missed a beat. hill's folks took awhile.

[JoFerret]

127. Kept aburning by some very lovely folks

invested in division and deadenders (your post for the example). Time to move along. Obama needs the best person. We can agree on that. But the best person may well be HRC. Certainly a strong case can be made. See Gail Collins from today's NYTimes for a lighthearted view.
Fortunately, we don't have to make the decision. Whoever it is will surely be a huge improvement.
But meanwhile - enough of the rehash of your own wounds. Heal baby, heal.

[AllentownJake]

13. Some people enjoyed the primary fighting

and as much as they cry and kick and scream about the PUMAs on other sites and what they are up to or the suspected PUMAs on here...if things were reversed they would be the PUMAs and all have been served Pizza.

It would have taken me a month to get over it but I would have gladly volunteered for Hillary had she won. Probably not as hard as I did for Obama but I would still try to help.

[LostinVA]

19. Best post on this today

[AllentownJake]

24. I'm not offended

When Hillary supporters during the primary tell me they think she would have made a better President or they think she would have won more states. I'm talking real people who I volunteered with during the GE. Because it would be kind of odd if they thought that Obama was the better candidate yet than went to volunteer for Hillary Clinton during the primaries. However, we both agree either of them would be one thousand times better than John McCain.

If things were reversed I would think the same thing. Just because Clinton lost the primaries doesn't mean her supporters should fall prostrate, bash her, or think she would have been a horrible choice.

[LostinVA]

40. It's so strange how some others can't get this

When it looked like HRC might win the nom, there were hues and cries of,"I'm never voting for her!" yadayadayada

Almost ALL of them are the ones you're talking about. Crazy!

[AllentownJake]

49. We all said that

at times during the emotions of the primary. That's why Skinner gave everyone a week to get it out of their system. 90% of the people on here respected Hillary prior to the primaries or would have been happy with either Obama or Clinton...than the voting started and people went nuts. :crazy:

Than McCain appeared in front of the green screen and we realized...oh hell no.

[stevenleser]

78. Not only that, obviously there was no PUMA effect on the election...

It seems to me just about all of Hillary's supporters came home to support the nominee.

[MadHound]

16. So even though our objections are reasonable, fact based ones,

It is forbidden to bring them up? Whatever.

Hillary supporters seem to think that she actually deserve something, some bone tossed her way. Get this straight, she doesn't, neither does any of Obama's other competitors in the primary fight. Get over it.

[AllentownJake]

20. I think President Elect Obama

by inviting her to a meeting for a role in the administration and than allowing it to be leaked is the one who "brought this up."

BTW it wasn't Hillary's people who leaked this story Andrea Mitchell was very clear it was Obama people she's known for quite some time.

Not Hillary's supporters on DU or anywhere else.

[marimour]

22. Andrea Mitchell didn't leak anything.

She was just repeating a rumor told to her. She did not get her info directly from the source. There is evidence that it may not have even been from the Obama team but from others.

[AllentownJake]

29. than she was lying last night on Olbermann

when she said these are people I trust and I heard it first hand.

[MadHound]

35. Frankly I wouldn't trust Andrea Mitchell as far as I could throw her

I wouldn't be surprised that this little "leak" story of hers is just something she pulled out of her ass trying to stir shit up and give her girl Hillary a chance at a consolation prize.

I can see why Obama brought in old Clinton hands for the transition, experience and all that. But I don't see the logic behind bringing in Hillary. Too much baggage, too much potential conflict within the administration, too much drama. Better to leave Hillary in the Senate, where she can be of much more use than bringing her into the administration.

If Obama does bring her into his administration however, I think that it will be a bad sign, that this is going to be another same ol' same ol' corporate controlled, Democratic presidency, and his talk of change will be hollow.

[BzaDem]

53. Hillary supporters don't think she is entitled to anything. That's just an excuse to keep fighting.

And no one is saying you are forbidden to bring up anything. This isn't an argument about free speech. This is an argument with the "reasonable, fact based" arguments to bring up. Your retort about how Hillary supporters feel that she is entitled is proof that your real problem with Hillary is because you can't get over the primary fight.

[ellacott]

18. I read people saying that the primary is over

The issue that I've noticed is whenever some offers an opinion of Hillary that isn't positive then that tag line is used.

Is Hillary above reproach. If Obama can still be criticized on this board why is that Hillary is not treated the same?

[marimour]

25. AMEN!

[LostinVA]

31. Hillary is above bashing, not "approach" (it's reproach)

The "tagline," as you call it, is used when Primary Wars bashing and flaming points are used. If you have a problem with it, then contact Skinner -- he's the one who said it had to stop.

[ellacott]

39. My goodness

I said reproach. :shrug: What are you referring to?

You all are some of the most hyped folks in the internet. This is what I'm talking about. Make a post about Hillary that's not 100% positive and folks lose their minds. Too funny. :)

That tagline is not used only when their are Primary Wars. It's used whenever someone says anything negative about Hillary. There is a huge difference between the two. I think most don't understand what that difference is.

You got all upset and totally missed the point.

[LostinVA]

41. "You all are some of the most hyped folks in the internet" -- who would "you all" be?

No, I didn't get "all upset and totally missed teh point." I got your point -- and, you're wrong.

[ellacott]

43. Are you saying that there can never be anything negative about Hillary posted on this board?

Why don't you hold our Pres-elect to that same standard?

[LostinVA]

45. You are quite aware I didn't say that -- keep braeking DU rules, though

[ellacott]

48. No, I'm not aware, I'm trying to understand what you are saying.

If a person has an opinion of Hillary that doesn't match yours does that mean they are reliving the primary. That was my question in the first post.

And how am I breaking the rules?

[LostinVA]

42. I would love to know how you edited your post liek that and it doesn't show up

Because, you know that isn't what you typed.

I have informed people of you doing this.

[ellacott]

50. Because I never edited it

The people you informed should be able to tell you the same thing.

ETA: The people you informed should be able to show you how to look in your cache and see my post.

[JVS]

90. Huh? What is this, some kind of DU glitch?

[LostinVA]

94. I'm not making it up -- very, very strange

[Cosmic Charlie]

23. if it was Obama's decision, that would be one thing

but 'leaking' to the public in an attempt to pressure him is utter bullshit.

And you know it.

The same exact thing happened when Obama picked his VP. 'Leaks' emerged stating that Hillary was a contender that lead to major disappointment amongst her faithful when she wasn't picked.

[AllentownJake]

28. What does she have to gain

by leaking she might be SOS and than being rejected? Seriously?

[Cosmic Charlie]

38. who knows? but we have already seen this act during the Veepstakes

it is obvious to anyone paying attention.

[musicblind]

44. She did not leak anything to the public to pressure him. He leaked to the public to pressure her

because she was very clear in thinking it was "silly" and was not even aware, as she went to Chicago what EXACTLY the meeting was about. She has said she loves NY, loves the city of NY and wants to remain a Senator. Obama wants her for SOS and is trying to pressure her into it with this leak... that is the much more likely scenario.

[AllentownJake]

47. Ding Ding Ding

[Cosmic Charlie]

60. now THAT is the stupidest thing I have read today.

Congratulations,
You win the PUzy!!

[AllentownJake]

82. See Rahm Emmanuel

Believe it or not our President Elect likes to play hardball.

[debbierlus]

86. Agreed. There is NO pressure on Obama to choose her. He can pick whomever he likes

If Obama didn't give her the VP slot, why the hell do you think he would be blackmailed into giving her a lesser position?

A Clinton would only add additional goodwill from the globe. The world LOVES the Clintons.

[qwlauren35]

113. I'm scratching my head on that one.

Why would Obama want Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State? Why would she be his top pick over Kerry & Richardson? Or some other highly qualified but not-as-well-known candidate?

(I didn't know who Madeleine Albright was until she became SOS, and I certainly hadn't heard of Condaleeza Rice before the Bush Administration)

The idea of handing that position to someone as a political favor is nightmarishly inappropriate. Frankly, if he doesn't pick Richardson, I'd like to see him pick someone relatively unknown outside of foreign policy/ambassadorial circles.

[BzaDem]

54. What's BS is you making up false stories about who leaked what.

Let me know when you have some proof.

[Cosmic Charlie]

61. when someone else is selected as SOS, that will be my proof

Because when that happens, it will be evident that these 'leaks' were complete bullshit and obviously not from the Obama team.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

26. Because Some Are Just Irrational And Immature, And Too Vested In Their Illogical Hatred.

[bvar22]

81. Agreed.

And there are also some that are Just Irrational And Immature, And Too Vested In Their Fawning, Blind Adoration.

[Barack_America]

27. I'm over it. I just find it hilarious that some people insist the Clintons don't play politics.

I do believe that Hillary is qualified for SOS, but I don't think that it is a natural position for her. Majority Leader, on the other hand, is. And that is largely because she is such a political being. She is perfectly suited for that position, not SOS. I would be disappointed if Obama picked Hillary not because I hate her, but because I don't think she's the best we've got for the job.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

30. Obama didn't run such a shitty campaign.

I'm not going to forget anything,.

[BzaDem]

55. Cry me a river. You shouldn't be worrying about politics if you are so sensitive.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

62. Who's sensitive?

You shouldn't be worrying about politics if you can't deal with people remembering your favorite politician's awful performance.

[Cosmic Charlie]

65. and it was damn awful, wasn't it?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

68. Comically awful.

Biggest disaster in Primary history awful.

Gave up 30 pts. awful.

$20 million in debt awful.

[ddeclue]

32. SIXTY US SENATORS IS THE PROBLEM!

Hillary needs to stay in the Senate. There are plenty of MORE QUALIFIED PEOPLE THAN HILLARY CLINTON.

If we don't get 60 Senators you can kiss a real liberal agenda goodbye because the Republicans will filibuster Obama's change to death.

What the REAL problem here is Hillary CULT WORSHIP. It's literally "the cult of personality" that we are talking about here, not actual qualifications.

I am sick to death of hearing just how wonderful and smart she is.

The truth is that BILL was the once in a generation politician - Hillary is just average.

The fact is that she's average as her average Presidential race showed. Anyone else starting with her name recognition should have been a shoe in but she managed to lose anyways. Her only real executive experience was on universal health care which she immediately bungled by conducting the operation in secret - Bush style. It lost and we still don't have UHC.

For my money why not pick Madeline Albright? She's ALREADY GOT EXPERIENCE as SOS - Hillary DOES NOT. She could hit the ground running from day - Hillary CAN'T.

There is ALSO Colin Powell if Obama wants to make a pitch to the moderates - who ALSO has ON THE JOB experience.

Finally if we NEED to pick someone named "Clinton" to be the SOS, why not pick the ORIGINAL and go with BILL. After all HE WAS ELECTED as President, SHE was NOT. HE has ACTUAl foreign policy experience - she doesn't.

You don't get experience by "osmosis" you get it by DOING. I'm sick to death of this "but Hillary was in the room" nonsense - it makes only slightly better sense than R-W'ers claiming Palin had "foriegn policy" experience because "she can see Russia from her front porch".

Doug D.
Orlando, FL

Look into my eyes, what do you see?
Cult of personality
I know your anger, I know your dreams
Ive been everything you want to be
Im the cult of personality
Like mussolini and kennedy
Im the cult of personality
Cult of personality
Cult of personality

Neon lights, a nobel prize
The mirror speaks, the reflection lies
You dont have to follow me
Only you can set me free
I sell the things you need to be
Im the smiling face on your t.v.
Im the cult of personality
I exploit you still you love me

I tell you one and one makes three
Im the cult of personality
Like joseph stalin and gandi
Im the cult of personality
Cult of personality
Cult of personality

Neon lights a nobel prize
A leader speaks, that leader dies
You dont have to follow me
Only you can set you free

You gave me fortune
You gave me fame
You me power in your gods name
Im every person you need to be
Im the cult of personality
Look into my eyes, what do you see?
Cult of personality
I know your anger, I know your dreams
Ive been everything you want to be
Im the cult of personality
Like mussolini and kennedy
Im the cult of personality
Cult of personality
Cult of personality

Neon lights, a nobel prize
The mirror speaks, the reflection lies
You dont have to follow me
Only you can set me free
I sell the things you need to be
Im the smiling face on your t.v.
Im the cult of personality
I exploit you still you love me

I tell you one and one makes three
Im the cult of personality
Like joseph stalin and gandi
Im the cult of personality
Cult of personality
Cult of personality

Neon lights a nobel prize
A leader speaks, that leader dies
You dont have to follow me
Only you can set you free

You gave me fortune
You gave me fame
You me power in your gods name
Im every person you need to be
Im the cult of personality

Cult of Personality - Living Color

[LostinVA]

36. There is no "cult worship" on DU

:eyes:

[bunnies]

51. omg.

You're a cultist and I'm trying to ram Hillary down peoples throats! :rofl: NOW I've seen it all.

IM the cultist dammit!

[LostinVA]

63. I forgot about the Obamaistist, or whatever it was

[debbierlus]

87. New York has turned dark blue & has a dem govenor - we would get another dem in office

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34. What was true then is true now: her foreign policy views stink.

And my primary opponents only got over it when all the primaries were over, and it still took Charlie Rangel to call Clinton out on even conceding.

[zulchzulu]

37. This post is meant to stir up the pot again

Frankly, I don't think Hillary wants the Sec. of State position nor do I think she is going to get the position. First of all, why wouldn't she want to be a powerful Senator?

We'll see what happens. Relax!

[mwei924]

52. Hillary is just one of the contenders for SoS. She shouldn't automatically get it ..

.. just because she was a strong primary challenger to Obama. Richardson and Kerry are probably more qualified if that's the criteria. If she gets picked, that's great-- I think she'd be good at the job.

But she doesn't deserve it just because she has a lot of fans from the primary season. And people shouldn't be pissed off if she doesn't get it.

[BzaDem]

56. Who's saying she should automatically get it just by virtue of the fact that she was an opponent?

I'm not, and I don't think the majority of former Hillary supporters are either. People are worried that she is even being considered. "That's not change!" etc. etc. etc.

[mwei924]

59. She does have a lot of leftover fans from the primary race who are very gung-ho about it.

The other potential candidates for the job don't have hoards of supporters clamoring for them to get a big position.

I'm just saying that I hope this decision will be made based solely on who will be the best at the job, not who will be the most popular or satisfy the most fans.

And if people have real issues with Clinton (or any of the possible candidates) as a SoS, it shouldn't be dismissed as "still caught up in the primaries".

[LostinVA]

67. Supporters, not fans

I also hope PE Obama doesn't have any fans on here.

[mwei924]

72. What's the difference? People who are strongly prefer a certain candidate.

[LostinVA]

75. Your not knowing the difference is telling

[mwei924]

80. Dictionary says they're pretty similar. (unless you're talking about a ceiling fan )

Supporter: an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate.

Fan: an ardent follower or admirer.

[LostinVA]

95. Right, you just made my point

[lapfog_1]

57. I really hope Richardson gets it

for a whole multitude of reasons.

But the chief one is that he earned it.

[LostinVA]

64. No, he didn't "earn" it -- I don't want people to be appointed for that reason

I think he would be a good SOS, but I don't want him to be given it because of that. And, I bet Obama wouldn't, either.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

58. So let me get this straight: because some of us don't think she's suited for the SoS

We can't get over the primaries? That is such warped thinking.

I simply believe that there are more suitable candidates for that position. That doesn't mean that I hate Hillary. It doesn't mean that I don't think she's smart. It doesn't mean that I don't think she's capable or qualified. I just honestly think that Hillary Clinton--while having incredible qualities--is a very polarizing political figure. Someone put it very nicely: she is a politician, not a diplomat.

[LostinVA]

66. The OP didn't say that AT ALL

Good grief.

Also, I don't want HRC to be SOS, and I think there are people better suited for teh position, but she IS a diplomat -- she has been one bfore, and she did it very well.

[LaurenG]

69. Some people don't like anything they're offered

It wouldn't matter if (insert favorite diety/human being) her/himself were the SOS.

[reggie the dog]

70. no problem

she would make a fine Secretary of State.

[Name removed]

71. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[LostinVA]

73. My, my -- this hate-filled post breaks so many DU rules I don't know where to begin

[LostinVA]

74. Oh Bunnies!

[KitchenWitch]

76. Is this deliberate flamebait, or just an unintended consequence?

People really do not like being told to "get over it". Just sayin'

[LostinVA]

97. GDP was crazy this afternoon -- you missed most of it

Crazed, sudden HRC bashing -- eevn though Senator Clinton did nothing but fly to Chicago to meet with PE Obama AS HE REQUESTED HER TO. It was Primary War levels!!!!!!

[KitchenWitch]

105. Jesus Jumping Christ...I guess folks did not get TOO burnt out by the primary wars.

:eyes:

the rolly is not at you Lost!

[donco6]

79. Obama supporter from the beginning -

I support whatever choice he makes for SOS.

He's way smarter than me.

[elizm]

88. Bingo...said the same to friends tonight...

If Obama chooses Hillary then I am 100 percent behind Hillary for SOS. I trust Obama's judgment completely...Have from the beginning and will continue to do so. He has never let me down. ;)

[donco6]

91. Me too. n/t

[debbierlus]

84. I don't get it either. I was a Hillary voter, and I wasn't thrilled with Obama

But, he got my money and volunteer time and I talked him up to reluctant supporters.

Hillary did an enormous amount of work to help him get elected. She campaigned all over the place. She worked her ass off to get him elected. Obama apparently appreciates how smart & tough she is...I hope his die-hard supporters can open their eyes as well.

[nuncvendetta]

85. because it's not the same thing, that's why

It's one thing to get fully behind the Democratic nominee against McCain and eventually that person as president. It's totally another to actually get behind that person for a cabinet position. I don't think any Obama supporter here wouldn't have gotten behind Hillary over McCain, despite their inherent dislike of certain aspects about her. However, that doesn't mean we can't and shouldn't complain about her selection over other WORTHY DEMOCRATS like John Kerry or Richardson.

[LostinVA]

100. Why do you think so poorly of Obama?

I'm surprised you even voted for him if you distrust his judgement so much.

[Faygo Kid]

89. Shall we dance?

I'm gonna keep posting this picture until BOTH sides fuggedaboutit. Waste of bandwidth to continue the argument; even hillaryclintonforum.net has gone belly up.

I like this better. Kick out the jams:

[Mass]

92. Because some people are trying to push things to happen before they do.

[LostinVA]

101. It's already happened

[Mass]

103. What? I did not see any nomination. Just some media people repeating rumors.

If he chooses her, fine.

Right now, I see people here and there repeating rumors that are not sourced. Seems to me like the media happy to be able to talk about the Clintons again, for better or worse. Just like when they said she was being vetted for VP.

[LostinVA]

104. I trust Keith O

I personally want hetrb to turn it down, although I think she'd do a decent drive.

[vanderBeth]

93. More than a few people would argue she is not the most qualified.

This is flamebait. Your passive little remarks are just stirring up shit. It isn't "not getting over it," it's questioning whether she would be the best for the job. A lot of people have answered your last question, even though they said they would get behind who he picked, but you just say they aren't "over it."

[davidpdx]

96. I think people are flipping out over a lot of things they don't need to

And my opinion about Clinton and Kerry is we need them in the US Senate. It's not because I don't like them, it's more for practical reasons.

[qwlauren35]

114. About Kerry...

Even if YOU want him in the Senate, apparently HE doesn't want to be there anymore.

Yet, he is another person that I would rather not see in the SoS position.

It's not supposed to be handed out as a political favor. Especially not right now.

[wisteria]

118. Kerry is very qualified for this positon.

And, I think you might be right about Kerry not wanting to end his career in the Senate. Although among some of his supporters this is not a popular POV. They believe his is very happy to remain in the senate.

[Skwmom]

98. It's not about the primary. It's about what has happened to our country.

This country is on the brink of collapse and the Clintons played a part in bringing that about. They are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

[AJH032]

107. It's about what happened to our country...

and what happened to our country during Clinton's time as president was generally quite good, as the debt FINALLY started to go down when we posted several consecutive surpluses, unemployment decreased dramatically, inflation was steady, the fed wasn't constantly playing with short term interest rates to temporarily patch up our economy, long term rates were down as a result of decreases in the deficit and eventual surpluses, poverty rates declined, and the list does go on.

Very strange, that you would consider that part of the problem.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

110. There are those who jump into every single

Clinton thread to push their prejudice. Obsessive, echolalic tendencies.

[joshcryer]

102. It's called hate.

They can't handle any good things about Hillary. None.

[AJH032]

109. True

Anyone saying Hillary must not be chosen for SoS is speaking out of pure bias, and no actual, substantive opinion.

[qwlauren35]

116. BULLSH*T!!!!!

Please tell me why it would be more important to have Clinton in this position instead of a seasoned foreign policy expert or diplomat?

[wisteria]

120. You know, if it didn't seem obvious that her people and her were

being revengeful and menstruated toward Kerry and Richardson, I might have different feeling toward her.

[Prophet 451]

108. Because I think she'd be more useful at Health

Seriously. She's got a longstanding interested and expertise in that area, her health plan was superior to Obama's and I think she'd do very well in that position, far better than she'd do as SoS.

[MarthaMyDear]

111. I wouldn't mind Hillary as SOS...

...no problem to me! :)

Wow, this forum sure gets fired up about things...it was just a meeting today, who cares if it was leaked or not.

[qwlauren35]

112. I just don't think it's the best use of her talents and focuses.

There are 3 places where I'd like to see her.

* Stay in the Senate.
* Secretary of Health & Human Services (sadly, not considered a powerful position).
* Supreme Court


I will not deny that the largest reason why I did not support her candidacy was her position on the War in Iraq, and her defense of her vote. As such, I would not want to see her as Secretary of State, given that she and Obama saw that situation so differently.

Are you able to respect my reasons?

[wisteria]

115. I believe her media cronies forced this issue.

I do not think she is qualified and I think it is unfair of the Clinton's to continue to force themselves in where they may not be wanted. I had hopes we were done with the Clinton's but I guess I was wrong.

[yourguide]

117. Just like there are many dems

who dislike Reid & Pelosi, and some who DESPISE Lieberman, the reality is there are some dems THAT DO NOT LIKE HILLARY. Did you see the polls? She has ridiculously high negatives.

I for one am not psyched at some of the shennanegans and vitriol from her campaign during the primaries.

I dont hate her, would be OK with her as SOS but am pretty fed up with the Clinton loyalists on this thread NOT GRASPING THAT SOME DEMS DISLIKE HER.

[vanderBeth]

119. +1

[akbacchus_BC]

121. This Post hurts my head. Why are you bringing up the Primaries

again? If Senator Clinton was asked by the President Elect for the position and she accepts, so bet it. I was hoping Senator Kerry would be asked, but the President Elect did well so far and I trust his judgment.

Some people need to get over the Primaries, we are on to the White House and lots of cleaning up jobs to do!

[grantcart]

124. since the primaries ended Clinton has been super classy and a great asset

If the Obama team takes her on for SOS we will see great things done.

[booley]

125. What if we are over it?

And still don't think Clinton should be Secretary of State?

what if, when you you say why people oppose Clinton, you are wrong and in fact many oppose her because of her views on things like Iran and not because they are still fighting the "primary"?

Maybe you don't "us" as well as you think.

[walldude]

126. Why can't you get over it? Pretty fucking simple.

When a dog bites me, I don't stick my hand in his face again.



I am actually over it but all this crap about people should shut up is getting on my nerves. People who are worried about HIllary have every fucking right to be.

[otohara]

128. This Is A Forum of Democrats Right?

herding cats ain't easy.

I'm on board with Hillary because I trust Barack Obama, but don't tell democrats "to get over it" after what we've been through the least eight years. I'm not over the whole "they lied us into a war" thing yet. Are you? Stolen elections?

It still troubles me that Sen. Clinton did not read the NIE report before casting her vote for IWR. So when you say "few" would argue she is not qualified for the position - THAT pops into my head.

It may take longer than 6 months for some to "get over it".