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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:20 PM
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Kerry will be fine even if he isn't Secretary of State
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 06:27 PM by liberalpragmatist
Personally, I prefer Kerry to Hillary as Secretary of State, but people shouldn't act as if it's a giant snub to Kerry if he isn't picked for the cabinet (whether the position goes to Hillary or someone else -- Lugar, Hagel, Greg Craig, Susan Rice, Anthony Lake -- whoever).

Firstly, Kerry will actually be at the height of his powers as a senator. If he isn't Secretary of State, he will still retain major influence in foreign policy as Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee. Given that Obama will need allies in the Senate on foreign policy issues, he will play a major role.

The second issue, more sensitive, is Ted Kennedy's health. To be honest, I always wondered if Kennedy's health may keep Kerry out of the cabinet. The sad truth is that we may not have Ted around for that much longer. And that means that Kerry would be Massachusetts' senior statesman. If he left the Senate, the state would likely have two new senators within the next couple of years, and given all the seniority both Kennedy and Kerry have built up, that could be a major blow to Massachusetts -- it'll take a long time for them to build the same level of influence.

Besides, Kerry as Foreign Relations Committee chair doesn't rule him out as a possible Secretary of State either in a second Obama term or in the next administration, should Obama's successor be a Democrat. A distinguished tenure as Chairman of the committee would actuallyenhance Kerry's stature as a possible Secretary of State in the future.

Ultimately, I trust Obama's judgment and am willing to take a wait-and-see attitude (and it would not shock me if these Hillary rumors are a tad overblown at this point -- she may well be under consideration, but I'm skeptical that any offer has been made, contrary to breathless reports on CNN and HuffPost).
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:22 PM
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1. i'm not sure Kerry wants to be Sec of State as much as some may think
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:22 PM
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2. Totally agree. I am a huge backer of John Kerry. Maybe he needs to be point person in the Senate.
Your points are well taken.

I too trust Obama's judgment on this one.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:25 PM
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3. Yep. The chronic Kerry haters and bashers will be happy
He'll be just another boring, no personality, no backbone, irrelevant senator and not "undermine" Obama. Yay!

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:30 PM
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4. I don't think people understand what a chairmanship means
Senority on a Senate Committee is a powerful position that often speaks to expertise in a particular area. Being elevated to chairman is a powerful position with oversight of the Executive and control over the legislative agenda of that committee. Regardless of which party is in the WH or which Party controls the Senate, the current Committee Chairmen serve as the ranking member in the majority or minority.

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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:33 PM
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5. But as long as
Reid is Majority leader and the rules of the Senate are rigid, he will be marginalized and ignored.

It's bad enough his endorsement of Obama and DNC speech were criminally overlooked by the media, I mean the black media, which is a shame because they are still left in the dark about what Kerry has done and done for Obama.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:42 PM
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6. No.
People don't seem to understand the role of the Senate Majority Leader either.

Responsibilities of Majority and Minority Leaders

The "offices" of the majority and the minority leader, as we know them today, are of recent development in the history of the Senate although individual Senators since 1789 have assumed leading roles in the determination of what the Senate would or would not do. Some of these Senators, at one time or another, have stood high in the ranks of their respective political parties. The power or influence of some Senators, in various periods of our history, to guide or lead their respective parties, or even the Senate itself, in the determination of a legislative program, has been particularly noteworthy. Caucuses of Senators of a particular party, of a common interest, of a geographical area, or of some "blocs" have been called from time to time from the beginning of the first Senate for all kind of purposes, including the determination of the position to be taken on certain proposed legislation, or such things as to determine the names and sizes of the committees. These meetings, however, were not invoked to perform as organized political caucuses for the purpose of selecting persons to serve as floor leaders for the parties during the sessions of the Senate until the latter part of the 19th century.

It was not until the latter part of the 19th century that the Senators of each political party organized and assembled separately as a unit for the purpose of electing certain members from among their own to represent each, respectively, as agents in helping to run the legislative machine. According to the best available records, it was not until the 20th century that the posts of majority and minority leaders became official political positions.

The floor leaders of each party today are elected by a majority vote of all the Senators of the said party assembled in a conference or, as it sometimes is called, a caucus. The practice has been to choose the leader for a two-year term at the beginning of each Congress. After the parties have held their elections, the selection is made known through the press or by announcement to the Senate. The majority and minority leaders are the elected spokesmen on the Senate floor for their respective political parties, having been elected by their fellow Senators of the same party to whom they are responsible.

The relations between floor leaders and their respective party memberships revolve around an exchange basis. The members of the political party having consolidated their strength elect a leader and place this power at his disposal for operation of the legislative machine to carry out the party's program. The members of the party, in return for their support, can expect the leader's assistance in meeting their individual political needs insofar as practicable. The relationship is one of compromise and mutual forbearance in order to function as a body - a common characteristic of all popularly elected legislative institutions. The leaders are in a position to help any Senator of their party in most cases where the Senator would be unable to help himself acting alone. Individual Senators often consult the leadership about the following matters: when to participate in debate, committee assignments to be sought, particular appointments desired, the passage of particular pieces of legislation, the confirmation of particular nominations and desired administrative action by the executive branch, particularly when the President and the majority in control of Congress are of the same political party. In particular, the appointment powers of the two party leaders gives them some leverage in working with the members of their respective parties.

The position of the floor leader is not that of an army general over a multitude of soldiers. Unlike army officers, the floor leaders must maintain continued support. They are subject to periodic re-election by the same persons they have been leading.

The role of the respective party leaders is an integral part of the effective functioning of the machinery of the Senate. The leader must keep himself briefed and informed on national and international problems in addition to pending legislative matters. On the floor of the senate he is charged by his party members to deal with all procedural questions in consultation with them and his party's policy-making bodies. In turn, he must keep his membership currently advised as to proposed action on pending measures.


The leaders are in positions to act as clearing houses for their respective party memberships as to the status of pending legislation; the majority leader commonly posts the Senate on such matters. The work with the agents of their party to secure cooperation and unity in carrying out the party's legislative program. The majority leader remains in constant touch with the chairmen of the various standing committees to keep posted on the progress of legislation. Meetings are regularly held between the leaders and Senators to resolve or clear out any conflicts which might arise over or because of pending proposed legislation.

The majority leader, or someone designated by him, remains continuously on the floor during each day of the session of the Senate to see that the program is carried out to the party's satisfaction. The minority leader or someone designated by him is always present on the floor to protect the rights of the minority. If, at any time, it appears necessary to take some unexpected noncontroversial action, the majority leader, or someone acting for him, with the approval of other "key" Senators, in the absence of opposition, will quickly alter his planned program and act on other business.

The position the leaders take on pending legislation to carry out the will of their party may work adversely for them as individual Senators. The leaders are Senators of States and the latters' interests may not always coincide with the position of the national political party. Leaders vary in the way they reconcile this conflict. Nevertheless, there is inevitably some constraint to accommodate the President and Administration, particularly when they are of his party.

Senate leaders seek the highest possible degree of unified party action. The approach of each leader to this basic objective varies, however, with his personal characteristics and his political approach. Effective leaders can never lose sight of each Senator's claim to recognition in his own right, because he is not only a member of a party, he is also and foremost an "independent," constitutional entity whose authority is derived from his constituency.

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About the Senate Committee System

Due to the high volume and complexity of its work, the Senate divides its tasks among 20 committees, 68 subcommittees, and 4 joint committees. Although the Senate committee system is similar to that of the House of Representatives, it has its own guidelines, within which each committee adopts its own rules. This creates considerable variation among the panels.

Standing committees generally have legislative jurisdiction. Subcommittees handle specific areas of the committee’s work. Select and joint committees generally handle oversight or housekeeping responsibilities.

The chair of each committee and a majority of its members represent the majority party. The chair primarily controls a committee’s business. Each party assigns its own members to committees, and each committee distributes its members among its subcommittees. The Senate places limits on the number and types of panels any one senator may serve on and chair.

Committees receive varying levels of operating funds and employ varying numbers of aides. Each hires its own staff. The majority party controls most committee staff and resources, but a portion is shared with the minority.


Several thousand bills and resolutions are referred to committees during each 2-year Congress. Committees select a small percentage for consideration, and those not addressed often receive no further action. The bills that committees report help to set the Senate’s agenda.

When a committee or subcommittee favors a measure, it usually takes four actions. First it asks relevant executive agencies for written comments on the measure. Second, it holds hearings to gather information and views from non-committee experts. At committee hearings, these witnesses summarize submitted statements and then respond to questions from the senators. Third, a committee meets to perfect the measure through amendments, and non-committee members sometimes attempt to influence the language. Fourth, when language is agreed upon, the committee sends the measure back to the full Senate, usually along with a written report describing its purposes and provisions.

A committee’s influence extends to its enactment of bills into law. A committee that considers a measure will manage the full Senate’s deliberation on it. Also, its members will be appointed to any conference committee created to reconcile its version of a bill with the version passed by the House of Representatives.

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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 06:53 PM
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7. I know but Reid isn't Kerry's biggest fan
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 06:55 PM by politicasista
neither is the DLC wing in the Senate. They are going to be taking credit for everything that Kerry puts out there. And many will be left in the dark as to what Kerry does or has done. He helped "discover" Obama, endorsed him when it wasn't the most popular thing to do, defended him from smears when no did for him in 04.

Do people know that? No. Do people know that he gave a good DNC speech that went after McCain? No. Other big name endorsements and speeches got far more coverage than Kerry's alone. I think there is a plan to make sure that Kerry goes away and goes back to being just another irrelevant Democratic senator on the Hill that no one got excited about as a candidate. That's why I say he is or will still be marginalized and/or ignored.

I am saying it would be nice if Kerry's name was respected in some circles and I don't see how being SFRC chair accomplishes that goal.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:01 PM
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8. I've seen no evidence that Reid and Kerry don't get along
"They are going to be taking credit for everything that Kerry puts out there."

People tend to try to do that because he leads on a lot of issues.

Kerry is highly respected (he wouldn't have gotten as far as he have), it's a few media assholes and detractors with ulterior motives who want people to believe otherwise. (Those detractors who believe just repeating Kerry is through made it so).





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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:11 PM
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9. He still isn't respected
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 07:15 PM by politicasista
At least not in the media (or black media). I went looking to see if they had covered his endorsement for Obama, and as it turns out, they didn't. If they did, it was with lots of snark, rather than pro-Obama or pro-Kerry. Same with his DNC speech, that wasn't covered either, while the other big name endorsements got more publicity and press (i.e. Ebony, JET, Essence, BET.com, TVOne).

I think there is a concerted effort to make Kerry out as another, irrelevant, Democratic senator. Why would the AA media continue to repeat the "People held their nose and voted for John Kerry, only because they thought he was better than Bush line?" You didn't see or hear ABM (Anyone But McCain) in this election, like 2004.

And there was a WaPo story back in 2005 (a hit piece?) that he and Reid argued over strategy.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A10395-2005Mar5?language=printer


JMHO.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:19 PM
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12. egad. your posts in this thread just seem whiny.
Kerry is a very respected, powerful Senator who's is an acknowledged leader in the Senate. And the media surely did cover his endorsement of Obama. It was front page news. And yes, the media sucked covering Kerry in 2004, but that's another story.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:28 PM
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16. I am not whiny
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 08:12 PM by politicasista
It wasn't front page news in the Black press or urban blogs.

I don't understand. :shrug:
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:37 PM
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20. look at all of your posts
anytime someone mentions something positive you respond with a "but "fill in something about how someone said something bad".

you dwell too much on negative stuff.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:41 PM
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21. But I am not being whiny
I am just writing how I see things.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:22 PM
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13. you don't make a Senator irrelevant by allowing them to become Chair of SFRC
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:31 PM
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17. But who is going to notice?
I mean who will take notice at what the role of the SFRC? Maybe that's why I am asking.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:36 PM
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19. the SFRC questions the Secretary of State
anyone who follows Sec of State would know about SFRC.

Kerry is not being ignored here. his name is one that is being regularly mentioned as possible pick for Sec of State. whether he gets it or not people acknowledged that he is qualified for the post.

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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:43 PM
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22. Thanks for laying that out
I don't understand why people are getting mad at venting at what I hear. :shrug:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:22 PM
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14. "At least not in the media" Some people in the media have their own agenda
that has nothing to do with whether or not Kerry is respected. They will continue to try to push and undermine people for various reasons.

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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:32 PM
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18. Yes. People do have agendas
Forget I even said anything. I am just going to leave it alone and let things work themselves out since I am being so whiny.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:15 PM
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10. He'll be fine. But I do not think the rumors about Hillary are true. Obama
is too savvy to let all these rumors filter if it is true. This reminds me of the noises about her being VP. The media were saying it was true. It turns out she was never vetted because Bill did not. Why would he want for a less prestigious post.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:16 PM
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11. Will just leave it at that and see what happens
It's Friday and it's a slow news day. I going to go get something to eat. :)
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 07:23 PM
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15. I wasn't worried about him.
Not in terms of his being snubbed or anything like that. I think anyone who is an admirer of a politician just wants to see them get a chance to show their full potential. I know, intellectually, that his gifts will not go wasted in the Senate. But how much sexier to have a sparkly international role that gets him all over and lets us see in the media how exciting it can be to see the man work. If he doesn't get something on this team I know that everything will be fine and I'm not going to hold my breath until I turn blue or anything. I trust Obama's judgment too. And Kerry's.

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