OK-I think it was "leaked" that Obama offered Hillary the job of S.o.S. IF she wants it so she can

[jenmito]

publicly refuse it. That way, HE looks strong (willing to offer the job to his former "rival") and SHE looks strong (refusing the kind offer). It's a win-win. He can choose Bill Richardson or John Kerry and Hillary can be something ELSE she may REALLY want.

[Dinger]

1. Bullshit nt

[jenmito]

3. Any REASON for your response?

[Dinger]

6. I Think The Idea of A "Win-Win" Is Bullshit

[Lex]

19. your analysis is stellar

nt

[Dinger]

34. Thank You

[babylonsister]

38. I enjoyed it also.

:rofl:

[sandnsea]

2. Why the stupid game

If she really wants something else, ask for it. What purpose does this stupid game serve - except for the Clintons to continue to throw their weight around. She by god better want SOS if she's pushing for it. And I don't see why Obama would be talking to her right now if she weren't.

[musicblind]

5. Possibly because he thinks she would do a good job as Secretary of State?

Geesh. You think Obama shares your prejudices?

[sandnsea]

16. What's that got to do with the OP?

You want to address the OP - and Hillary playing games when she secretly wants some other position. Because that is what *I* addressed.

[jenmito]

7. I don't know, but he apparently had a meeting with Richardson, too. Maybe Hillary

loyalists really leaked it so they HAD to put it out there that she was actually OFFERED the job so it won't look like he rejected her if he chooses someone else? :shrug:

[Dinger]

8. Kinda What I Was Thinking (nt)

[Bethany Rockafella]

4. President Obama doesn't seem the type to play games.

Imo.

[jenmito]

9. It may be that Hillary supporters leaked it. There were no leaks before her people joined

his team.

[progressive_realist]

27. Telling, that is.

It would be nice for Democrats to finally put a period at the end of the Clinton era. I'm less than excited at the prospect of Clinton getting any Cabinet post, but especially anything having to do with foreign policy or health-care. Not just because of her, but because of all the baggage she brings with her.

[Barb in Atl]

51. That's precisely what I've been thinking...

and it's really pissing me off. Was the Clinton white house this full of holes? I know Senator Clinton's campaign was almost as bad as McCain's with the running off at the mouth. But Obama's transition team is chock full of Clinton White House people. What the hell?

I'm ready for him to get rid of the entire team and start over. Which I know he can't do. (sigh)

[Beausoir]

53. If that is true, then Obama is very weak as far as his transition is concerned.

Wow. Obama must have made a very grave mistake in hiring "Hillary suporters".

Too bad.

[gateley]

10. Yeah, I'm with the other posters on this -- don't think it's an act at all.

I'm thinking she wants it and he's this close to offering it to her (if he hasn't already).

But I wonder about the vetting -- I THOUGHT she declined to be vetted for VP, and I would assume she would have to be vetted for this position, too. (Wow -- even the 'little people' are being vetted big time.) I could be wrong about her vetting/VP though, it was just one of the stories going around.

[jenmito]

11. But the "new" news is he DID offer it to her IF she wants it...

I think Bill WOULD have to be vetted, too, which could be a reason she doesn't take it.

[Skarbrowe]

18. They're saying that the vetting for SOS would not be as severe or

in depth as it would have been for Hillary's choice as VP for Bill Clinton. I admit to have been very confused when I first heard about this possible appointment. That was before I listened to any of the talking heads and I was thinking negative thoughts about why Obama would offer this to Hillary. Keith Olbermann (Craig Crawford?) just mentioned something about Obama possibly wanting to put together a truly star power cabinet and that this offer to Hillary is geniune and sincere. If that's true, now Hillary has to decide if this is a job that allows her to do what she feels is right for her.

I'm in the camp that wants the best for Hillary Clinton. I also want to believe that President Elect Obama actually likes and respects Hillary and would be proud to have her in his cabinet. I have no idea if that's the case, I just hope it is. If Hillary doesn't eventually get the offer or if she turns it down, well, I hope she continues to do a great job in the Senate. In this new political climate, I don't think she would make the same "decisions" that have haunted her since the Iraq vote.

[icnorth]

14. No games.

Its hers if she wants it and I think she does. My 2 cents.

[TheDebbieDee]

12. I agree, Jenmito. I honestly believe that many of the events

occurring in US politics is staged play acting and role playing, purely for the benefit of politicians looking strong and/or saving face.

I think politicians, like everybody else, want to avoid being publicly humiliated and embarrassed. I also think, for the most part, they also want to avoid humiliating and embarrassing each other, too.

[jenmito]

13. THANK YOU...

That makes ONE person who agrees with me. :hi:

[BootinUp]

15. You are just determined to be disappointed

when she accepts it I guess.

[jenmito]

17. Wrong. I really don't care WHO gets which job. n/t

[ooga booga]

20. This kind of caught me by surprise.......

But Barak Obama has shown time and again that he's a very smart guy.

Hillary as SoS actually makes a lot of sense. It puts her squarely on the Obama team. It gives her resume an important lift so that she can make her move when Obama departs. She'll still be younger than McCain is now in 2016 when we know for sure that Obama will be leaving.

As SoS, she'd be just as capable as anyone who's been in the job over the last decade or so.

[jenmito]

24. I trust what decisions Obama makes...

I'm just openly wondering WHY the leak happened. I agree she'd be in a good position to be president in '16, if BIDEN didn't want it (he'll be just a few years older than Hillary).

[ElizabethDC]

21. I dunno what to think

It all seems quite bizarre to me. Anything seems plausible to me at this point.

[jenmito]

25. Same here...

I guess.

[sufrommich]

22. This is a perilous time in the USA,I doubt that anyone,let

alone Obama,is playing "save face" games. It's simple,the grown ups are running the show and trying to pick the best people possible to keep us from crumbling into a million little pieces.No matter who he picks,nobody who really knows what is going on,or isn't interested in fiddling while Rome burns, is fucking around at this point.

[Ian David]

23. In Hillary's defense, she WAS under sniper fire when she leaked it. n/t

[ClarkUSA]

31. That's after she brokered the Irish Peace. n/t

[Ian David]

32. And after she vanquished The Ori from The Milkey Way. n/t

[ClarkUSA]

37. Which was before she told Dorothy to click her ruby heels and go home. n/t

[karynnj]

39. lol

[jenmito]

26. Now Rachel just said, "So much for 'No Drama Obama.'"

:eyes:

[ClarkUSA]

28. The only drama is via leaks from Hillaryland and excitable political pundits like Rachel...

You're not hearing any drumbeating from Team O... in fact, there's a different take on all this:

"It's an effort by the vindictive Clinton organization to stop Richardson or Kerry from serving in that post."
-- Link to excellent "Freak Show" analysis from Al Giordano: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/11/14/101142/61/202/660858

[jenmito]

29. According to Huffington Post, two OBAMA "advisers" leaked some info:

"Two Obama advisers have told NBC News that Hillary Clinton is under consideration to be secretary of state. Would she be interested? Those who know Clinton say possibly. But her office says that any decisions about the transition are up to the president-elect and his team."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/13/hillary-clinton-secretary_n_143735.html

[ClarkUSA]

30. That's after Stephanopoulos brought it up last week... gee, I wonder which camp would tell him?

Richardson and Kerry are also "under consideration" according to Obama advisors... however, this talk of an offer of a
SoS job that is Hillary's for the taking seems a bit farfetched, especially as Richardson just met with Obama yesterday.
That kind of leak could only come from Hillaryland, IMO.

[jenmito]

35. Jeez...

I liked it better when Obama and his original advisers were the only people "in the know."

[ClarkUSA]

40. Me too...

And that's another reason why the idea sucks. You can imagine what eight more years of this patented kind of
breathless oxygen-sucking Hillaryland media leaks will do to an Obama administration. Then there's the issue
of Bill's Global Clinton Initiative and his shady backroom deals with despots and dictators... talk about a conflict
of interest! I have to believe that the same reasons that Obama didn't choose her to be VP applies here as well.

[jenmito]

43. Yeah...

at first I didn't care who got the position of S.o.S. but now all the things you mentioned are making me hope she doesn't take the job, darn it.

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[vanderBeth]

36. It was you, wasn't it? You leaked this.

You bastard.

[Metric System]

41. Well at least this gives the Usual Suspects something new to obsess over.

[AllentownJake]

47. I never knew what you guys were talking about

till now.

I guess working with Hillary supporters who worked their hearts out for Barack during the GE opened my eyes.

[KittyWampus]

42. Jenmito, you realise what you just described sounds like freaking high school?

Ugh.

Power politics never changes much no matter how old you get or how high up on the social food chain.

[Metric System]

44. I believe this is the denial stage.

[wisteria]

45. And, the other choices look like second best?

If this is the game that I hope someone obscure gets it. Kerry puts up with enough BS from the press.

[jenmito]

46. I just saw on AC360 that Richardson came away from HIS meeting with Obama thinking

Hillary getting the job is NOT a "done deal" (of course) and Candy Crowley reported that he is "back-up" in case Hillary doesn't want the job. I think that's a terrible position-for him to be perceived as Obama's "second choice" so I retract thinking my OP is a good idea and a "win-win." I think it stinks. x(

[AtomicKitten]

48. There was no leak of an offer. They met and that got jacked up exponentially by the pundits.

The shotty reporting on this is really awful. I have been unable to corroborate reliable reporting of an actual formal offer. From what I can ascertain, some close to the Clintons are leaking wishful thinking.

[jenmito]

49. It seems like the pundits (like Andrea Mitchell) are really pushing this. It's an excuse for`

them to show old footage of them talking negatively about each other in the primaries. I'm so sick of this.

[AtomicKitten]

50. this stuff sucks all the oxygen out of the room

The MSM must be bored so they're going for the low-hanging fruit.

Next it will be a car chase.

Oh well. Have a great weekend, Jen. :hi:

[jenmito]

52. I agree...

I don't know whether they like covering THIS story or the Palin stuff. I don't like either one. I prefer a car chase. :)

You, too, AK! :hi: