I'll keep this short and simple and use small words so it sinks in.

[Danger Mouse]

Stop this primary rehashing bullshit.
Stop this Clinton bashing bullshit.
Stop picking on tombstoned DUer's or referencing the now completely irrelevant PUMAs.
It's stupid, pointless, immature, and it's turning this forum into a cesspool of mental inferiority.
Some of y'all need to grow the fuck up, or find a hobby.
That is all.

[Lucian]

1. +1

:fistbump:

[leftstreet]

2. What's a PUMA?

:evilgrin:

[Danger Mouse]

3. Also known as a mountain lion, panther, or cougar.

[Hieronymus]

4. Good luck .. Hillary went for the jugular.

[Lex]

52. It's OVER.

Done.

[yardwork]

62. Geez. Some people really DO need a new hobby.

Hi Lex!

[Lex]

64. LOL. True.

:hi: yardwork (Speaking of yardwork, I have so many leaves in my backyard. *ignoring them* )

[yardwork]

68. Me too. No leaves out there. Not today. Too windy. Would just blow right back in anyway....

[LostinVA]

126. bet I have more -- it's crazy

[nini]

5. Hobby? stirring up shit is a hobby for many people on the internets

.

[Whisp]

6. questioning Hillary's qualifications is not REHASHING THE PRIMARIES

FOR FUCKS SAKE.

hows that for short words.

[joshcryer]

14. It's about the same vitriol, it's about the same irrationality.

There's no unity, no respect.

[Whisp]

25. anyone who would threaten to obliterate another nation is not SoS material...

good grief! and no, I do not respect that kind of talk, I am sick to fucking death of that kind of muscle talk.

[joshcryer]

27. Oh please.

Don't get overzealous here.

[Whisp]

29. i can get pretty overzealous at the thought of hundreds of thousands dead

because some schmuck can just say the wrong fucking word.

[joshcryer]

30. Yes, yes.

Nuking a country off the face of the planet is actually something a respectable politician would actually do.

[Realityhack]

90. Actually...

it is more likely that thousands would die...
If Iran thought it could Nuke Israel and just have a few smart bombs fired at it or a hearing at the UN. The entire idea is to prevent the initial attack by pointing out that it is foolhardy.

Any SoS is going to end up delivering 'threats'.

[Whisp]

96. I'm sure Iran and every other country that is the 'axis of evil'

has a fair idea what's at stake and that Hillary saying the word obliterate is not a surprise t them.

she used that word not so much as a threat that Iran knows it's already under, but as posturing to prove how manly and chest beating strong she is for election uses. I find that repugnant.

[joshcryer]

130. At least you admit it was political.

Something basically all, uh, politicians are known to do.

[Whisp]

134. not all. There is a difference in the president elect.

and if you want to excuse the massive lies just because they are politicians and laugh about it while your guts are being rung out... then have fun.

[Genevieve]

7. Some Dems just don't feel she's qualified for the role of SOS. nt

[Danger Mouse]

8. That's not what I meant.

I don't have a strong opinion one way or another on the idea of her as SOS.
It's other stuff I have an issue with.

[Genevieve]

9. ok.

[elocs]

10. Ahh, see how people love to be lectured and ordered about...

not much, huh? I guess I wouldn't presume to tell people what they should or should not do here, unless, of course, I was Skinner. You would be Skinner except you spell your username with different letters from his name.

[Danger Mouse]

12. I'm just repeating what Skinner has said many times.

[elocs]

50. Sorry, I missed the quotes, but it reminds me of when I was a kid

when my brother would get on my ass, chewing me out and then ending it with "that's what Dad said". I was neither gratified or impressed with that and would usually answer with "well then, let Dad tell me. That's his job." Skinner has the right to lecture us or to put us in our place. It is, after all, his house and he just lets us play here.

On edit: Just to let you know, I in no way disagree with what you said.

[mkultra]

53. or you can kiss our asses and well do what we want

When you get the little admin bust you can engaged in more meaningful diatribes.

[Doityourself]

26. lol!!! n/t

[Starlight]

60. This is what I like least about DU: too many posters are self-appointed mods, and apparently r/o

believe they're entitled to tell everyone else what to say and think. :eyes:

[elocs]

67. There are ways of saying things that are not in-your-face or offensive

which allows people to actually read or hear your message and even if they do not agree the message will be much better communicated and that is, after all, the point of a message board: effectively communicating.

[Starlight]

69. True, but that's a talent few have.

[RollWithIt]

11. +2

Nuff said.

[ashling]

13. use small words -- " inferiority"

that's 5, count 'em 5 - syllables. That's over your limit ... not that I object or anything.
:rofl:

BTW, I am not the word police ... it's just a hobby I found:)

[fadedrose]

15. I get 6 --- in fer i or i ty

Didn't use dictionary to see how they divided the syllables...

[ashling]

31. You are right, of course

Thank you for the correction.

[fadedrose]

133. That's ok, we all make mistakes...OP lied at any count

5 or 6 syllables is not short. :)

[Hieronymus]

24. Six

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[Danger Mouse]

17. but my post has electrolytes.

:cry:

[marimour]

18. Since when do we have to like her b/c she is a Democrat?

Democrats get bashed here all the time especially the DLC. If someone doesn't like her they can state their opinion. She is no different than any other Democrat. People just need to get the FUCK over it.

[1corona4u]

22. Actually, people like you, need to get the fuck over it.

The haters are the ones with the addiction. To hate. People are just defending Hillary. I always defend the underdog. Whether or not I agree, or like everything about them, but this Hillary bashing is just hateful, irrational bullshit. Total fucking bullshit.

[joshcryer]

28. I especially like the mocking undertones.

Picking someone, someone far less respectable, as the sarcastic choice, and then running with it, to express a hateful innuendo without actually coming out and saying it.

[marimour]

32. get a fucking grip!

If I criticize her or any other politician its based on their qualifications, their statements, or positions. And the hate goes both ways. Hillary supporters are doing plenty of hating. Just look in the Kerry and Richardson threads. DU'ers need to stop playing the victim role here. Its pathetic.

[JVS]

34. You raise a good point. If people cannot refrain from bashing the shit out of Richardson...

they really have no right to the same courtesy for their favorite politicians.

[1corona4u]

45. You need to donate to DU.

You're really outspoken for a 'new' member...

[11 Bravo]

77. And you need a star, a few more posts, and more time on this board before you presume ...

to tell any DUer what they "need to stop" doing.

[femrap]

137. It amazes me that Rahm was named

Chief of Staff and no one has so much as said 'huh?' He is the biggest DLCer there is. Why aren't folks spitting on him? Certain DUers are still all about hating HRC.

This tells me it's OK for males to be DLCers but not a woman.

It seems that this election has brought many people who are new to politics to DU. And of course they know everything. Their opinions are the ones to be valued. I see naivety, willfull ignorance, and hatefulness. Just like the freepers.

I really thought that after the election, I wouldn't have to use the Ignore Function, but I do. :wtf: :argh:

Maybe it's just time to no longer bother....after all, the economy is done. WASF.

[Truth2Tell]

143. You must've missed

the Rahm bashing orgy around here. It has just mellowed out, but it lasted a few days.

(I was fine with it, cuz I can't stand the creep)

[femrap]

149. Cool.

I just read the front page and nothing got the 5 recs that I saw. But I'm glad that some DUers still have a memory and a brain.

I saw more anti-HRC on the front page.

I wonder who is going to be Treasury Secretary...that's the biggey IMHO. And maybe Commerce.

Why doesn't anyone listen to Sheila at FDIC??? She seems to be the only one with decent answers for the working people.

Thx for the info...

[kestrel91316]

19. This is why some of us have ignore lists. Because certain posters

contribute absolutely nothing useful to DU, EVER.

[MadBadger]

20. WAAAAaaaalllee

[1corona4u]

21. +10!!!

I'm SICK of the juvenile shit on this board lately. I can't believe people are still acting like jerks where Hillary is concerned, and arguing like fucking 5 year olds about this, and other bullshit lately.

24-7; yes you are, no I'm not, yes she is, no she's not, yes she did, no she didn't, I know you are but what am I......fucking toddlers.


Who. Fucking. Cares.

GET A LIFE PEOPLE. Get OFF the 24-7 addiction to this message board, go outside and get some fresh fucking air!!!! I seriously think some people are argumentaholics. They just never let things go.

Ridiculous.

[vssmith]

35. Speaking of juvenile

[Name removed]

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[vssmith]

40. Case closed

[1corona4u]

42. Yeah, that's right. You are a loser.

Case closed.

[Binka]

70. Address The Post Corona He Has A Star Now

You have a lot of moxy for a one year poster. Something about you just does not sit well.

[1corona4u]

78. Yeah, who cares what you think.

Your snarky bullshit is duly noted. I usually have you on ignore, not sure why you're not at the moment, but rest assured, as soon as I click post, you will be again.

*Poof*

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[Runcible Spoon]

75. what the fuck does donor status have to do with the worthiness of someone's posts?

Jesus. I don't donate because I am $75,000 in student loan debt and haven't even bought a new coat in over 3 years. In this economic environment, it is tasteless, rude, immature, and intellectually vapid for you to judge ANYONE for not having donated to DU. It's not exactly a charity, and if I had any extra money that's where my money would be going. DU ranks well below my and others need to survive. The people who donate to this site are to be commended, but by NO MEANS is donor status some sort of fucking prerequisite for being taken seriously.



Idiot.

[Name removed]

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[madfloridian]

85. That is just very rude.

Perhaps you should donate for those who don't have a star.

[Number23]

103. "You should donate to DU, then I'll address your post."

Easily, the stupidest, most hateful thing I've seen on this board this week. Freeper quality post, that one was....

[sniffa]

115. Typical for an Ignored

[Number23]

119. LOL!!

Your avatar is worthy of at least a dozen DU'zys if they still gave those out...

I LOVE it! Priceless... :)

[otohara]

138. 13,000 Posts Since 2007

that's a lot of posts for someone lecturing others about addiction to DU.

This is a forum for Democrats and herding cats ain't easy.

I'm on board with Hillary because I trust Barack Obama, but don't lecture democrats after what we've been through the last eight years. Hillary was part of the problem, starting with her vote for IWR without reading the NIE.

I'm still not over the whole "they lied us into a war" thing yet. Are you? How about two stolen elections?

It may take longer than 6 months for some to forgive Sen. Clinton. Is that alright with you?

[bridgit]

23. Aye, aye, Cap'in!!

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[yourguide]

37. I will say this again.

Hillary Clinton had the highest negatives of anyone running for president this cycle. In April she hit 54% unfavorable. 58% found her untrustworthy.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/DemocraticDebate/story?id=4668032&page=1

Now let's assume that EVERYONE who voted for McCain held those unfavorable views, 46%. That means another 8% of the overall electorate or 15% of those who voted for Obama see her in a negative light.

PLEASE GRASP THAT HRC ALREADY HAD HIGH NEGATIVES PRIOR TO THE PRIMARIES AND THERE ARE DEMS OUT THERE THAT DONT LIKE HER.

Just like there are Dems that don't care for Reid or Pelosi or Lieberman, and before you start shouting Lieberman is a Republican he calls himself a Dem and votes with dems 90% of the time, there are dems that dont like Hillary. It's just that damn simple.

What I am tired of is being bullied by some Clinton loyalists suggesting I or others should have a favorable opinion.

RE: PUMA and Tombstoned DUers. There is no rule on this board that states we cant speak of those not a member of this board in any manner we please and I am wearly of the outrage whether real or phony. And as for PUMA, we speak of Bob Barr, Ron Paul, Freepers, Fundies, Green Party, and Nader, why the hell cant we speak about PUMAS? It's the first time we've had a group of Dems splinter off from us since 2000. If the PUMAs had swayed the election for McCain we'd talk about it, we also talk about their failure as well.

I'm just curious where your outrage is about these TSd DUers who compared Obama to Hitler? I havent seen any angry posts from you about that?

Enough, I and others will not be bullied into singing her praises if I dont want to. It seems to me the Clinton loyalists have issue with fellow dems having a differing opinion about her.

[1corona4u]

38. And it seems to me, that for people who can't stand her...

you all sure spend a LOT of time thinking, bitching, and posting about her. That's what you call obsession. Obsession for hate. The lady got 18 MILLION votes, so SOMEONE likes her.

Fuck, I wasn't even a HIllary supporter, and the hate bitching is really starting to piss me off. Really. Fucking. Annyoning.

[yourguide]

39. Well

Perhaps your anger should be directed at some of the TSd DUers that compared Obama to Hitler?

Or perhaps at the idiot freepers screaming muslim?

I dont see anyone complaining about the things posted about Lieberman here.

The bitching doesnt bother me as again, there are dems that do not like her. It's that simple. So of course there will be differing opinions on this board. What's pissing me off is some of the nasty OPs being posted by some of the Clinton die hards insulting and bullying those who just dont damn like her.

She was pretty disgusting during the primary.

And another thing. Some of these Clinton supporters needed their asses kissed to be brought back into the fold. While I dont need my ass kissed, I certainly will not be bullied into feeling good about the Clintons again.

[1corona4u]

41. I don't think anyone is trying to 'bully' you into anything...

I think people are asking that people be CIVIL towards her. You don't have to like her, but for christ sake, at least be civil, and stop the idiotic bashing. It makes NO DIFFERENCE in the real world what YOU, or anyone else think. People who sit here and whine about her all the time really have nothing better to do, obviously.

I HATE, HATE, HATE Kooch, but I keep MY thoughts, and post in check, for the most part. That's what needs to be done with the Hillary haters. They don't need to post every fleeting hateful thing that pops into their heads, all the time, just to make sure people still KNOW how much they despise her.

Bottom line; people just post shit about Hillary because they know it starts flame wars. Like you all, with your hateful bullshit are going to change anything in DC. :eyes:

[yourguide]

46. I would suggest

before lumping me into that "hateful" group you might check what I have posted since the primaries ended.

I have been more than respectful yet see blanket statements from posters (much like what you just stated) lumping anyone who dislikes Clinton into a hateful, vengeful group and I am pretty damn sick of it.

I will not march in lock step with anyone who has a D in front of his or her name, there is room for all points of view here except apparently those who dislike Clinton. :eyes:

[Name removed]

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[NashVegas]

93. Gotta Feed the Sockpuppets

[NashVegas]

48. Yeah, Well

Did you stop to think that some of those negatives came as a result of the Obama campaign and media hammering and de-humanization of Clinton?

All that crap from the groups that squealed like pigs anytime Clinton went negative? Oh no! She's damaging our candidate! were the screams from same people who astro-turfed "I'm not voting with my vagina" and accused the Clintons and their supporters of racism.

We don't have to be outraged about TS'd DUers who compared Obama to Hitler; there don't seem to be any. The "Hillary supporters say Obama = Hitler" meme was a straw man if ever there was. I did a search and found a couple of posts comparing crowd reaction to the men, and sloganeering, in discussions of charismatic leaders but not the men, themselves and both of those posters are still right here. Everthing else? Outraged Obama supporters copying text from RW sites or on TV.


What I am tired of is being bullied by some Clinton loyalists suggesting I or others should have a favorable opinion.

And what we're tired of is seeing years in investment of our personal time, monetary and page-content contributions that went into making DU one of the greatest places on the web for liberals, get tramped on by a bunch of immature, "useful idiots," who refused to allow any rational discussion of Obama's negatives during the primaries, and any rational discussion of Clinton during or after the primaries. You don't have to have a favorable opinion of Hillary Clinton but it just might serve your own purposes to just sit on your hands once in a while, when the urge comes to spill yet more campaign-hate-fueled bullshit.

You won. Get over it.

[yourguide]

54. Is the obama campaign responsible

for her 50% negatives before the primaries even began?


Is Obama responsible for her high negatives from 1995-2007?

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/hillary_clinton_favorableunfav.php




What about her own negative campaign bringing her to 54% unfavorable?

Oh yeah, that's ALL Obama's fault :eyes:


Maddiejoan was tombstoned for comparing Obama to Hitler on cap hill or did you forget that? Or are you defending that? Perhaps rewriting history?

There's a big difference between Clinton going negative and Clinton doing the Republican's dirty work for them but that is NOT the point of this post.

So perhaps when some disagree about HRCs usefulness as SOS it's you who should sit on your hands, or better do some research, rather than making broad sweeping statements about "idiots" who spew hate fueled bullshit, perhaps you should look at what I have posted. I havent posted any hate fueled anything since the primaries. Everything I have posted here I have facts to back it up.

Get back to me when you figure out how you can explain how it's Obama's fault that her negatives were unusually high between 1995 and 2007. Or maybe just grasp the fact that some dems didnt like her prior to the primaries.

The point is Hillary has ALWAYS been a polarizing figure with ridiculously high negatives. Grasp the fact that some dems, even some DUers who have been here for a while, dont like her now, didnt like her as first lady, didnt like her before the primaries, and didnt like her during them. Plain and simple.

[NashVegas]

91. Yeah, Actually, And They Were Doing Their Jobs

Almost ALL of HC's unfavorable ratings come from Republicans. This is DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND and this is why so many HC supporters accused the people trashing her of being and or acting like Republican trolls.

Clinton had the lowest unfavorable numbers among Democrats, highest among Republicans (except for Gore). In January, her favorability ratings among Democrats was 88%. Unfavorable at 12%. Then came Axelrod and the media (especially the white, male-controlled "liberal" blogosphere) and the daily "I'm a woman, but there's no way I'd vote for Clinton," astro-turf. HC's favorables - among Dems - dropped 18% while her negatives went to 26% between Jan-March.


Maddiejoan was tombstoned for comparing Obama to Hitler on cap hill or did you forget that? Or are you defending that? Perhaps rewriting history?

Oh. Jesus. Fucking. Christ. She got tombstoned here for something she wrote on a different website? Want to tell me again that certain Obama supporters are not over-obsessive in their zeal? Talk about proving the point ...

[yourguide]

99. I call bullshit.

In August her favorability ratings were 80% with Dems with 20% of dems viewing her UNFAVORABLY. Had to do with HER negative campaigning.

http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx


So explain to me, her 54% unfavorable in April? All republicans? I call fucking bullshit.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/DemocraticDebate/story?id=4668032&page=1


This is from a gallup poll in 2003-2004, it found 1 in 5 dems, 20%, viewed her unfavorably.

http://books.google.com/books?id=WOug0pzW6_IC&pg=PA81&lpg=PA81&dq=hillary+clinton+favorable+unfavorable+amoungst+democrats&source=web&ots=b2ZlEbkj8I&sig=yz1jG4-cPukIT7N4iNHC8MwkGlo#PPA81,M1

Now Crisco, riddle me this...

Were all of those dems in 2003-2004 swayed by obama's so called negative attacks in 2008?


You know whats disgusting, is that you actually believe that those of us who dont think Hillary is great, is a republican. Again, her negatives have always been abnormally high compared to the current first lady. Sorry, you should face facts, the are not only some but many dems that dont think she's all that.

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/hillary_clinton_favorableunfav.php

vs:

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/701/laura-bush-favorability



So again, wake up, seems around 1 in 5 dems dont view Hillary favorably and we are not republicans. Yes, this is Democratic Underground but it doesnt mean it's a place where we are FORCED to blindly support anyone with a D in front of his or her name.

Now, I'd like to point out the republican base is around 30 to 35% of the electorate. So where is this other 15% to 20% unfavorable coming from? Oh part of it from the 12%-20% of dems at any given moment who view her unfavorably. You cite a poll from January when she was the media darling and had nothing but glowing press coverage but even under those shining circumstances she only gets to 88%.

I'd also suggest anyone pushing a dem to blindly support another dem might well be a republican as well.

Yup, and again I ask where's your outrage at a former DUer comparing Obama to Hitler?

[NashVegas]

104. You're Pissing On My Leg

And saying it's raining. Typical Republican bullshit.


Yup, and again I ask where's your outrage at a former DUer comparing Obama to Hitler?

I'd also suggest anyone pushing a dem to blindly support another dem might well be a republican as well.



WHOOSH!

[yourguide]

105. And you've been pissing on this board for years...

typical republican bullshit.

Again, explain the 20% unfavorable rating in 2003-2004 Crisco?

I'm sorry the poll numbers are just republican bullshit to you, wake up, 1 in 5 dems arent fans of HRC. Period. And just like we can talk on this board about how some of us dont like Lieberman, Reid, & Pelosi, there are dems, many dems who can talk about disliking a dem like hillary without being called a republican by one of her zealots.

[NashVegas]

111. Keep Trying to Move The Goalposts

You're the one who brought favorability into it, and instead of strengthening your argument, wrecked it when it was further determined the overwhelming bulk of unfavorables were coming from Republicans.

[yourguide]

114. It wasnt determined...

If the rethug base is 30 to 35% and her overall favorable/unfavorable ratings are running on average between 42% and 46% then explain to me where the other 12% to 16% is coming from? Especially when she has 20% unfavorable from dems.

So is it all republicans like you claim? If so, why dont you put up some polls showing that. I have put up polling data showing that it's not all rethugs, contrary to your declaration.

Just another reminder:



compared to:

[vanderBeth]

43. If there is a god, please lock this and any thread that has the word "Clinton" in it.

It will turn into a flame war, regardless of side or intention.

[1corona4u]

44. Hey, at least that would stop the bashing.

I'm all for it. I can't believe this is a board of progressives.....

[ProSense]

47. Hillary Clinton is still in the news. Criticizing her has nothing to do with rehashing the primary

Hillary's primary run doesn't place her above criticism forever. Anyone still advancing the argument that criticizing Hillary is rehashing the primary should take his/her own advice and stop rehashing the primary.

I've seen angry posts here because clips of Hillary making statements in the primary are shown on TV. It's as if some people believe those clips should be put away in a vault forever simply because they're embarrassing.

Have you read this NYT article?

[Beacool]

84. Hillary will always be in the news.

So, like so many of you kept telling some of us after the primaries were over, GET OVER IT!!!!!

Same B.S. on this board, different day........sad people.

:crazy:

[ProSense]

92. Here

clarification

[Beacool]

97. I don't think that Hillary is above criticism either,

but neither is Obama, and around here that is taboo. Both have said things in the past that are better put in the back of the closet and close the door. I'm holding judgment on him as president until he's actually doing the job, how about giving Hillary the same benefit of the doubt? I personally would rather she remain independent than be under his employ, but if she accepts the SOS job, I think that she would be great at it.

;)

[sellitman]

49. Did you know you can bury posts, not just people.

Just saying.

[mountainvue]

51. Yes. Thank you. The Obama administration is

shaping up to be all inclusive, which is what he promised. Don't know why some of the faithful are losing their shit over this. I'm interested to see what comes out of the McCain meeting Monday.

[bridgit]

55. Alright, so I keep seeing this high-handed, goofy little thread and it does...

it occurs to me that -- all of a sudden -- *NOW*, just *bam!* your concerns for the "stupid, pointless, immature, (are turning) this forum into a cesspool of mental inferiority"!?!!?? Are these feelings born brand new, like everyday? I recall you dancing on the TS's of dead Duer's, yes? Has someone pulled a hair from Obama's nose and watered your eyes? What? Why this new found concern for the decorum of this forum? Why now?

[Danger Mouse]

57. You bore me.

Shoo.
EDIT to add: That was during the primaries. There was a lot of tension and hostility back then. So yes, I engaged in some immature behavior, but I was able to move on once the primaries were over. Some people were not able to do that.

[bridgit]

58. All thy tediousness upon me, ah? DOGBERRY!

You're one of the truly elite around here keep up the good work, Master Blaster :thumbsup:

[Danger Mouse]

59. If you're trying to be annoying..

you're succeeding. Congratulations on that.

[bridgit]

61. And if you're trying to be desperate & sad, well, congrat'z

Some people fall in love with the sound of their own voices, others with their own key strokes.

Enjoy your cake:

[Danger Mouse]

63. Desparate and sad? About a buzzing fly?

Hardly.
Leave me alone, please.

[bridgit]

65. Oh fiddled-edee, fiddle-dede the fly married the bumble bee...

This is a public board at present, sir, how dare you presume to be the one to drive anyone off (small tent activities are not the way of the future my strange friend), you're in no position whatsoever to impose your personalized notions of chastisement upon me or anyone else so give that gibberish a rest; it'll be better for your vascular system in the long run

[Danger Mouse]

66. Fine.

Do what you want. :shrug:

[NashVegas]

94. Because

Some people haven't learned the lesson about not shitting where you live.

[bridgit]

100. Thanks, Crisco, now *that* makes sense to me...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7868582&mesg_id=7869187 :kick:

[NashVegas]

121. Interesting

Thread, that. I had to sign out to read it, though :rofl:

I've mentioned in the past about there being a concerted effort to control the information stream that was coming out of here. That's the kind of thing that makes a forum jump the shark. How can you possibly have thoughtful discussions with people who are lying for appearances' sake?

[yourguide]

118. Yes

for example, Joe Lieberman and Hillary Clinton.

[NashVegas]

122. Clinton = Lieberman?

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[yourguide]

123. No, just pointing out that she's shat on her own as well...

Kerry in 2004 for example and Obama in 2008.

Still waiting on you to explain how it was only republicans who are responsible for HRCs 42 to 46 percent negatives...oh and explain to me again how 20% of those dems that view her negatively are republicans?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

56. Thank you!

[alwysdrunk]

72. This is a hobby

Armchair politicking. There should be a fantasy league...

[QC]

73. Have I told you lately how much you rock!

:yourock:

[Danger Mouse]

141. Thanks. I appreciate it. I'm getting seriously flamed by some for this one.

:rofl:

[QC]

145. For some people, DU is nothing more than a place to stir shit,

a place to behave without consequences in ways that would get them punched in the mouth in real life. They are the ones who do nothing here but stir shit and then flame those who object to it.

For others of us, it is a community.

It's been almost six months since Skinner said that those who could not let go of the primaries would be shown the door. I wonder when that's going to start?

[DevonRex]

74. Hear hear!!!! K&R nt

[AtomicKitten]

76. mod at large, free style

:eyes:

[w4rma]

80. A lot of people don't trust her, mainly because she seems to put her ambitions ahead of everything.

If she acted better there wouldn't be so many people here who don't want her in an Obama cabinet.

[Beacool]

86. Oh, because Obama is not also ambitious?

ALL politicians are ambitious or they wouldn't be where they are. Acted better? What is this, a contest for Prom Queen or King? The woman won half of the votes in the primaries, so it's not as if she doesn't have plenty of support in the populace. She, and also Bill, are extremely popular overseas. I don't know if she wants the SOS job, but if she does, she will be a great asset to the new administration.

;-)

[A-Schwarzenegger]

87. This will certainly be the last we hear of that.

It seems to be working out very well.

[Catherine Vincent]

88. Can't we all get along?

[Midlodemocrat]

89. Dude. You are my new favorite DUer.

:yourock:

:applause:

:loveya:

[Danger Mouse]

142. Aww. Thank you.

:blush:

[NashVegas]

95. Yeah, NOW It's Important We Don't Trash Clinton

Funny how so many who were happy to relentlessly fling shit at a candidate with an almost 90% approval rate among Democrats all the sudden think it's a bad idea.

[Beacool]

98. At the time she was in the path of their chosen candidate,

so she had to be destroyed. But politics makes for strange bedfellows and now Obama and Hillary are all chummy, it's only on the blogs that these battles still continue.

:D

[yourguide]

102. try 80% crisco...

She got as high as 88% in January when the media thought she was going to be coronated.

Check my reply to your last post, I fould a Gallup poll from 2003-2004 showing her at 80% fave/ 20% unfave amoungst dems...

[NashVegas]

106. English Usage Lesson

"Were" indicates past tense.

"Almost 90%" means in the vicinity of but not yet at 90%. If 88% - the number as of January 2008 - doesn't come up equivalent to "almost" for you, all I can say is what a sad state we are in, that people need talk out of their ass so badly to excuse their actions.

[yourguide]

110. How about 80% in august?

Or 80% in 2003-2004?

No, you want to use one outlier poll.

But as you say, apparently some people need talk out of their ass so badly to excuse their actions. :eyes:

[NashVegas]

112. Thanks

for continuing to prove my point.

Have a wonderful afternoon!

:hi:

[yourguide]

117. You havent proved any point

beside proving yourself intolerant of any dem that doesnt place HRC on a pedistal. You dont listen to discourse, you just call them republicans... :eyes:

[w4rma]

109. Bush had a 90% approval raiting at one point. I was one of the 10% at that time trashing him.

What about yourself at that time?

And I quit trusting the Clintons back in 2003 after watching their self-promoting, at progressives' expense, and poor decisions.

[NashVegas]

113. And Did You Trash Him On Free Republic? During Election Season?

If not, get back to me when you try it and tell me what results you get.

[w4rma]

116. I trashed him on a popular pro-gun forum. I trashed him during election season.

And I canvassed against his policies in Virginia.

Done with your attempt at filtering me out, yet?

[NashVegas]

120. That's Not What I Was Trying To Do

Merely point out that it's nothing to trash Bush on a Dem forum. And if you care to search, you can answer your previous question about whether or not I was .. but then again. It wasn't hard to trash Bush on DU.

[w4rma]

128. Thank you, Crisco. (nt)

[AlCzervik]

101. i'll leave it up to the mods and hide thread as i am not in the postion to tell people

what they should or should not post.

[K8-EEE]

107. I find the subject line of the OP so condescending

I have no dog in the SoS fight but I really hate the tone of some of these lectures.

[Honeycombe8]

108. Posts like these are beg. to sound a bit like those during the primary...stop picking on Hillary.

Discussing whether Hillary should get the SOS position is not trashing Hillary. Having an opinion that she would not be good at a particular job is ALSO not trashing Hillary.

In a world that does not revolve around Hillary, not everything that objectively discusses her and concludes that she is not all things to all people...that is not per se picking on Hillary.

Obama owes her. She helped to bring in Florida and maybe some other states (Obama was gonna win PA, anyway). But would she be the best SOS choice? I mean....look at this site, look at the networks...she is already causing diviseness. Not that she is intentionally doing it. The Clinton name is what it is. It is a power name of a former President, and it sucks the news, the headlines, the good will, from everyone else around that name. It is just the way it is. Now, if she will agree to submit to Obama's will, & to take orders from him, and to keep a low profile, and to promise to keep Bill in a box...maybe it could work. But I don't see her agreeing to things like that (which other SOS's have to do, BTW...except for the Bill part). See the problem?

I don't hate Hillary. It's called "discussing" a political matter.

[LostinVA]

127. Yes, but bashing isn't discussing, and yesterday looked like GDP March 2008

[LostinVA]

124. Excellent OP -- I only hope some takeit to heart

But, I'm afraid that thosw who need it the most won't give a damn.

But you tried. And, the trying is what counts, my friend.

I read your PM -- I've been doing errandish stuff all day, so I haven't replied.

:pals:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

125. here is the problem, many du'ers use GDP as the only form of their activism

and hence you see a divisiveness here that you dont see in real life

[happychatter]

129. as in the primaries the least distrust or criticism is called bashing

I'm not even doing that on this board and wouldn't waste my time doing it. I trust the President Elect quite a lot (even that is imperfect... I'm waiting and watching).

I haven't seen any of the bashing you're referring to..... If I combed every thread meticulously I might find out what you're referring to specifically. That is, evidently, YOUR hobby.

The only bashing I see is when anyone criticizes HRC one iota.

The only ones "reliving the primaries" here, since the very end of the primaries, as far as I can see, are foaming at the mouth, abusive fucks like yourself.

Little words so I can understand? You want to insult this disabled veteran, senior citizen, tradesman, businessman, life long democrat.... because you are physically safe and anonymous.

Just like an abusive Republican, you are a coward.

Let's take this outside, you arrogant shit starter.

[Danger Mouse]

140. Wow. Threats over the internet. So impressive. Never seen that before.

I'm the last person to conflate criticism or distrust with bashing, especially when it comes to Clinton. I was not one of her supporters in the primaries. I was very vocal in my criticism of her, and many times was insulted by others for it.
However, the primaries have ended. Months ago. And some people are still beating the same dead horse. If it's not you, than the OP doesn't apply to you.

[happychatter]

131. From your journal

"However, it is not my right, or your right, or anyone's right, to tell others what they should think, WHO THEY CAN CRITICIZE AND WHAT TOPICS ARE TABOO."

you really are a twisted piece of fucking work

[Danger Mouse]

139. Heh, that post was in responce to people flipping the fuck out over criticism of Code Pink.

It was getting tiresome.
Healthy debate on public figures is one thing, but rehashing the primaries is just stupid and pointless.

[MichiganVote]

132. Ahhhh...I just knew someone would start up the band again. Elrond, they'll never quit.

Something having to do with dogs who have a bone...or is it dogs who think they have some real estate in a fight...doggone?

But, I agree with you. I've lived with 2 Bush's in office, I'll manage to withstand one Hillary Clinton.

[last_texas_dem]

135. What is constructive criticism and what is bashing is subjective

Obviously, there are some folks on here who like to stir up shit. But many of them are longtime, "well-loved" DUers, from what I've noticed at least- and, I should add, are also some of the biggest whining hypocrites when other posters give them a taste of their own medicine...

I think it's better to just not worry that much about what's being posted. The way this place is, if someone gets too far "out of line," they tend to get slapped back into their place.

I've seen some posts re: Clinton that seemed pretty uncalled for. However, I've also seen fairly constructive posts made by posters that didn't seem to be trying to cause major conflict that ended up getting called out and attacked as pointlessly divisive by some on here. As I said earlier, it's a matter of opinion, and I figure it's best to just kind of let the chips fall where they may. I don't get into this whole idea that there are unwritten rules about what can and cannot be discussed.

Oh yeah, but PUMAs are always fair game in my book. Any "Democrat" who would have supported Hillary Clinton, but would flee to John McCain over Barack Obama is worse than a Republican, the way I see it. Fuck 'em.

[cherokeeprogressive]

136. No. No. No. Disagree. Have many hobbies. Promise?

[ksimons]

144. I used to wear Pumas but now am a fan of New Balance nt

[TankLV]

146. Awwe - you're just no fun...

[rhett o rick]

147. If you want to stop the bashing, I would suggest that you not post this kind-o-stuff.

Just sayin. It don't bother me personally but looks like it only stirs the pot. If that's your objective, go for it. Not a good way to mend any fences. just sayin.

[1Hippiechick]

148. Using 'stop' would have sufficed.

:rofl: