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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 09:07 AM
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Kucinich for The Department Of Peace.
An idea whose time has come!!!


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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 09:31 AM
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1. I would support that in a heartbeat K&R
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 09:31 AM
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2. Dream on.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 09:33 AM
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3. An idea whose time has come - I agree
I wish he would - I so wish he would
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Rydz777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 09:48 AM
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4. Kucinich was great in interrogating the Bushite who is running
the bailout. The guy said that Bush was "passionate" about relieving the distress. "Passionate?" said Dennis. "What country are you talking about?"

Secretary of a Department of Peace would be fine, but what I would really like is to see a Speaker of the House Kucinich. That would mean that things would really get done.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 01:29 PM
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16. If Dennis has demonstrated one thing in the House,
it is an utter and innate inability to get anything whatsoever done.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 03:59 PM
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25. That C-SPAN coverage was one of the scariest pieces of video I have ever seen
Edited on Sat Nov-15-08 04:02 PM by truedelphi
It frightens me as much as the video of the Towers falling. The Towers falling killed three thousand people. The Depression we are entering will kill many more than that.

For every day of every week, people are getting ill from stress, and ill from not having money to pay mortgage, heating bills, and medication. And some are killing themselves, as the economy's decline sinks into a hole several times greater than the Great Depression.

Kashkari could not give any type of presentation. He used the sleazy used car salesman schtick -
"I am passionate about immediately getting you in a working model with the least mileage for the least amount of cash" When you compare his presentation to that of those on the panel that followed him, he looked like a debate student who was flunking Debate 101! But he is the one handling our treasury funds, while those proficient minds on the panel are professors or small time loan company owners.


He reversed himself at least five times - "the economy is improving on account of what Treasury is doing." Then, "we cannot afford to help the consumers because of the rapidly expanding loss of value in assets." And back and forth and back again.


In other words, our dog could not have bitten you because we don't own a dog, and if you are suing us for the dog bites, hey, our dog is so old that his teeth are rotten away and could not have injured you anyway.

Kucinich and Issa were fabulous. The Rep from Baltimore was great too.

But Congress is about to be asked for the next half of the 700 billion dollar installment for Paulson and his rogue gang of thieves. No oversight, and as Kucinich kept pointing out, Paulson negated the most important provision in TARP - section 109, which was to see that the consumer end of the mortgage crisis was helped.

Issa offered a complete picture of how this Bailout should have proceeded. According to Issa - Let individual districts create their own state banks. Charter those banks,a nd assign the Federal Bailout funds to those state chartered banks, and then let these banks offer funding to the distressed consumer and his loaning institution. (I am paraphrasing, but that is about it in a nutshell)

Instead all that rogue gang of Paulson's is doing is awarding contracts to people who claim to be "asset evaluators" and deal handlers. (Am I nuts for thinking there are huge pay offs to Paulson and Kashmari for handing over various contract to certain individuals who them become an asset evaluator or deal handler?)

And huge sums of money for certain banks to buy off the "worthless" assets of other banks. Kucinich was great in insisting that Kashmari explain how it is that a bank can be evaluated as worthless one minute, but then in the very next moment we re told that its takeover will require a huge sum of Bailout Fund monies. Issa stressed the same concerns. And just who is deciding which banks are "worthless," and which are to be evaluated as "not worthless" and worthy of engineering a takeover of the "worthless" bank.

I am firmly convinced that one reason AIG has to have a huge pile of bonus award money for its executives (some 350 million or more Dollars) is so that AIG can offer pay back to Paulson and his phony baloney crony Kashkari as much money as it takes to keep that pair in the loop of continuously giving AIG tens of billions of dollars. (Whereas Congress initially voted on giving AIG something like 80 billion dollars, Paulson is seeing to it that AIG now has received over 135 billion. But hey, what is an extra fifty billion dollars here or there!)
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 05:29 PM
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26. After he made mincemeat of that Kashkari guy, Sec of Treasury
wouldn't be a bad idea. He clearly has a grasp of what's going on.
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stuntcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 09:51 AM
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5. without peace we can't solve the real problems
I love Dennis, I'd put him in charge of something big and very important!
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 09:52 AM
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6. The reason Barack is headed to the White House, and Dennis is well...
not.
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Eryemil Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 11:00 AM
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10. I would much, much rather have Kucinich as president than Obama
He was my candidate and still is, in my heart though he had no chance of winning.

He's too good for the American people.
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babydollhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 02:56 PM
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23. I wanted Kucinich!!!!
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Justyce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 10:15 AM
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7. Kucinich for any position he wants!
The man deserves it. :hi:
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 10:20 AM
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8. Dennis is too tied to the people
He'll stay put so that he can continue to make his case for the people on the floor of the people's house. :thumbsup:
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 10:38 AM
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9. After Neocon manipulation and lies to get us into an unnecessary war..
What greater evidence is there to demonstrate that a Department of Peace is needed to counter the war chants from the likes of Rumsfield and Condi.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 11:12 AM
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11. Kucinich 2012
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 01:20 PM
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12. So you don't support a second term for Obama....yeah, right...President Kucinich
NEVER. GOING. TO. HAPPEN.
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alwysdrunk Donating Member (908 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 01:26 PM
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13. I know. Why does he run every time?
He has to know. For most people it's an ego thing. I don't think it applied to him though.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 01:28 PM
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15. Vanity. nt
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Eryemil Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 11:34 PM
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35. Vanity? He is the ONE politician I believe actually does what he does
for the good of the people. It is evident that he truly cares about everyone and has dedicated his life to that.

If that is vanity...
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 03:45 AM
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37. Kucinich trys to get the truth out, he tries to hold our leaders accountible....
...but he's up against a corporate owned and control media, a media whose owners profit from the crimes of the Bush administration. ...He never had a chance because he's too honest for Washington.
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 04:20 AM
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38. Sad but true... nt
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 03:26 PM
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24. DEAN '16.
Kooch for Speaker!
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 01:27 PM
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14. We have one. It's called "The Department of State."
If the American people liked Kucinich's ideas, they would have voted for him.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 01:32 PM
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17. I don't think that's entirely true...
I think Kucinich's platform would sell better if he were taller, more attractive, and more charismatic.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 01:36 PM
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18. I think his unattractiveness is a bit overplayed as an excuse.
Dennis has about the same level of appeal that any ideological hardliner does in any race: 1-5%. While attractiveness certainly helps, it isn't extraordinarily important; John McCain was not more attractive than Mitt Romney, and prettyboy John Edwards didn't have a realistic shot past Iowa.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 01:37 PM
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19. That's true. I think the best way to win in America is to play the center.
:shrug:
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 11:33 PM
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32. GEEZ- I wanted to ask him to marry me, and then he met Elizabeth
I went to Washington and took part in a workshop weekend for the Department of Peace.
Walter Kronkite
Dennis Kucinich
Maryanne Williamson
The best looking to me by far was Dennis.

If he would be appointed, and accepted heading the Department of Peace I could not think of anything more hopeful or more appropriate and anything that would make me happier.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 12:09 AM
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36. I'm just sayin'. You like him because you like his personality and views.
:shrug:
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 01:38 PM
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20. I'd rather see him as Speaker of the House.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 01:40 PM
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21. No, goddamnit.
That line was the worst thing to ever come out of Kucinich's mouth.

What the hell is a Department of Peace?

Peace is standing orders- an approach to be taken by the President with regard to every issue he addresses. It's a mindset, not a Department.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 07:24 PM
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28. If only that were *our* mindset.
We've been popping caps on too many continents, though, for peace to be taken seriously as a "standing order" without some similarly bold initiative. The fact that you (and I) need to ask WTH a DoP is tells us, in part, how far we've proceeded down the wrong path.

If we don't create a Department of Peace, we must put credible wagers of peace in charge of the rest of the Cabinet. I think Obama will do this. If we take the Defense Department out of the corporate mercenary business, and put it back to work on defending our nation, that may be enough.
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RepublicanElephant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 02:39 PM
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22. the dlc will have none of that. nt
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 05:32 PM
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27. He founded the Department of Peace.
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 07:31 PM
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29. How about Secretary of the Department of WAKE UP, AMERICA!
but peace would be cool, too.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 10:19 PM
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30. Yes! the Department of Peace
Obama would be wise to make a place for DK!
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 11:31 PM
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31. ROFLMAO!!!!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Good one!
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 11:33 PM
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33. Love the idea
Rename the Department of Defense!!!

It should be the Department of Peace!!!!
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happychatter Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 11:34 PM
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34. just because of the Kucinich contempt from right wingers in the Democratic Party
I will kick ANY post lauding his achievements and promoting his voice in the next administration

I will say I would greatly miss him in a Democratic Congress

his voice is precious
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 04:25 AM
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39. How about Department of Tranquility? We the people of the United States, in order to form a more
perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility...
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