Why are Repub/neocons pushing Hillary for Sec. of State

[ProSense]

People like Bill Kristol, Lindsey Graham, and Henry Kissinger.

Why?

[DJ13]

1. Because as a member of the DLC she has many of the same interests?

Just a guess.

[FLAprogressive]

10. Exactly. n/t

[az chela]

2. They are all her friends

[Indiana_Dem]

3. I think Obama is being pushed to make her SOS.

I don't know who is the culprit but the media is sure doing a good job of pushing the matter, and if it isn't so, many will be in for a let down. If it's coming from Obama then fine but if it isn't, the matter sure is putting pressure on him to do so--which I don't like.

[Skwmom]

5. And it will make him appear WEAK right out of the gate.

If she was appointed, it is going to be an avalanche of "Obama had to have Hillary answer the 3 a.m. call for him" and where's all the change, you might as well call it Clinton, Part III.

There was already a comment in the Washington post from a Clintonite asking where is the change he talked about, it's all Clinton people in the admin.

[joshcryer]

21. If Hillary would campaign for him in 50+ rallies in a month or so...

...then I think it's clear she would support his agenda. Thus your theory is quite unfounded.

What it would show is that he's a man of character, able to handle a diverse cabinet, one that he knows will be a challenge in and of itself.

And that seems indeed to be what he is doing.

[jrockford]

30. blah blah blah blah. So what if she campaigned for him, that's how it usually works when you lose

You don't need a divisive cabinet for it to be a diverse one. I don't think it is "clear" she supports his agenda, just because she did as the machine dictates (eventually).

[Skwmom]

36. There are enough challenges to deal with without having to deal with the dysfunctional Clinton drama

Plus, trustworthiness and honesty doesn't seem to be the Clintons strong suit.

[AtomicKitten]

60. Exactly. n/t

[joshcryer]

20. This is a theory being pushed by many DUers, that Obama is being "put in a box."

That if he were to make the decision to pick her it would only be by her "media conspirators" forcing him to.

[Indiana_Dem]

34. No, no that's not what I'm fully implying.

That could be ONE facet. However, I remember hearing or reading years ago that Jimmy Carter wanted to run things a certain way but he had some of the establishment directing which way to go on certain matters and on who to appoint to what positions. I remember it being said he was very sad about it after he got into office--that he wasn't as in control as he would've liked to have been.

Afterall, he has many members of his transition team who are very established already. Then again, he has the power to say who belongs on his transition team and who doesn't.

Obama was very tight-lipped about his cabinet in the 60 Minutes interview tonight, so I imagine he is letting them do their work and hopefully he has the last sayso. He seemed amenable to the way Lincoln did things. It sounds like he really might be considering such a move similar to the way Lincoln governed. Time will tell.

[Skwmom]

37. Because picking her doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense otherwise.

[Skwmom]

4. Because she is one of them. The want the Clintons to control foreign policy.

Because anyone who thinks Obama will control that arena once the Clintons are put in charge is really smoking something.

[zuul9]

17. Get ready for a loooooot of drama if she gets in

[MannyGoldstein]

6. Because She And Bill Are Goldwater Conservatives?

They've just finally realized that, based on their records, The Clintons are ideological Goldwater Conservatives.

[Captain Hilts]

16. Hey, Hillary voted against FISA, Obama FOR it!!!! Obama supports the embargo on Cuba..nt

[joshcryer]

18. Political posturing! She wants to eat Mexican babies!

[Captain Hilts]

23. Good one!

[Skwmom]

51. The Clintons are the Republican "Democrats" they run when they know the country has had enough

of the Republicans.

[ben_meyers]

7. Because they can't wait for the confirmation hearings

to drag the the entire Clinton legacy up again. They just love that stuff.

[joshcryer]

15. That one, too. They are rabid for it. Some members of DU would also be similarily gnawing at the...

...opportunity.

[NewJeffCT]

50. I'm guessing a confirmation will be surprisingly easy

A few of them might have some tough questions, but Senatorial courtesy will make it generally smooth sailing because Obama likely would have consulted leaders of both parties to ensure it will go smoothly.

[Evergreen Emerald]

8. For the same reason many were pushing Rahm?

[TripleKatPad]

9. Maybe they are afraid of her?

Push for the one you don't want in hopes of getting someone else? I dunno. Just a thought.

[pinto]

11. My guess - infotainment news asked them to comment and it gets airplay. A TV dance is all.

I pay little heed to the political talking heads and expert commentary played out on on TV nowadays.

The Obama transition team - and Pres. elect Obama - will make the choices for cabinet, in due time and after due consideration.

The rest is filler.

[joshcryer]

13. Exactly, they're getting asked, and giving reasonable answers.

There are dozens of other people who you might consider liberals who are having similar sentiments when asked the same question.

[ProSense]

25. That's the first thing that came to my mind too: reasonable Repub/neocons

:sarcasm:

[joshcryer]

41. Neocons aren't necessarily reasonable, but they can be reasonable.

Reason something which is not your strong suite.

[jenmito]

12. K&R. Bill Kristol said EXACTLY why he wants her for Sec. of State and it goes against

everything Obama stood for in the primaries.

[IndyOp]

14. Because they can attack her and Bill for the next 4-8 years.

DON'T DO IT O!

Nooooooooo!

[Captain Hilts]

19. So, why are you blaming the Clintons for this?

[rvablue]

22. The neocons are pushing her b/c they are scared of her and they know liberal reactionaries

will hear their endorsements, freak out in a hissy fit, and collectively force Obama not to appoint her.

[ProSense]

24. Yeah, just like they were terrified of Hillary becoming President

Still, Bill likes the idea.

[Sinistrous]

26. Because they are trying to turn the Hillary cultists to the dark side by

making it look as though Obama disses Hillary if he does not name her to be SoS.

[Arkansas Granny]

27. Because that's one way they can sow the seeds of dissension among Democrats.

Republicans, and especially neocons, do not want to see unity in our party. There would be nothing better for the Republican party right now that infighting among Democrats. The more unity in our ranks behind Obama, the better his chances of making the changes this country desperately needs.

[ProSense]

28. Which begs the question:

Who were the two Democratic sources who started the rumor that Hillary was offered the job?

[Arkansas Granny]

31. That's a very good question and one that I certainly can't answer.

We may find out in time, but I rather doubt that we will every know for sure.

[Metric System]

40. ProSense believes the leaks came from "Clintonites." I'm still very confused by these conspiracy

theories. For example, I don't understand how Hillary can force the leader of the party to make her SOS. Another thing is that many Hillary supporters aren't clamoring to see her as SOS, so it's not like we'll be upset if she doesn't get it. What makes us upset is all the Hillary-bashing, "Clintons are evil" kind of posts and insinuations that the Clintons are somehow forcing the media to report on this rumor. Someone really needs to explain to me why they'd want to see articles in the paper about vetting and possible conflicts of interest. It just all seems to me like more smears against them.

[Arkansas Granny]

55. I've been confused about it too. Maybe I'm just not devious enough

to understand these conspiracy theories,but, like you, I don't see how anyone can force a cabinet selection on Obama. If I was going to subscribe to any theories at all, I would think it more likely that someone is trying to damage Hillary's image by making her appear to still be "against" Obama. I've seen posters even here, on a Democratic board, make some of the most outrageous statements about her motives that I think some people want to see her utterly destroyed for no other reason than she opposed Obama during the primaries.

[jrockford]

29. Because she's bought and sold by Israel, just like them. nt

[Kahuna]

35. DING DING DING DING DING DING DING!!!! nt

[ProSense]

32. It's obvious from his "60 Minutes" interview

that Obama isn't going to play the speculation game.

[Sebastian Doyle]

33. She's already made her intentions clear with two words and one horrible vote

She will do all in her power to give the Likudist bastards what they have wanted for years, the complete annihilation of Iran.

[PresidentObama]

38. How many Hillary-for-SOS threads do you have? Get a fucking life n/t

[ProSense]

39. You're policing DU threads to see which deserves your whining and think you have a "fucking life"?

:nopity:

[niceypoo]

43. Same people that were obsessed with her during the primaries.....

Are spiraling back into it. Proof that irrational obsessions don't ever go away, they just fester.

[ProSense]

47. "Irrational " like lying about coming under sniper fire,

threatening to obliterate Iran, supporting cluster bombs, hiring Mark Penn as a strategists, making an issue of Bill Ayers and questioning Obama's patriotism? Irrational like that?

That's the kind of irrational that shouldn't be sent to the head the State Dept.

Same people that were obsessed with her during the primaries.....

You're wrong. Some people despised her actions during the primaries.

The OP wasn't about the primary, you brought it up.

[AtomicKitten]

49. It's just clumsy subterfuge from people who would rather deflect than discuss.

They either can't handle the truth or they're feeling icky about being fine with it.

[niceypoo]

54. You need to see an exorcist or something

Really, it is time to move on.

[ProSense]

57. You're the one who brought up the primary

Get over it.

[AtomicKitten]

42. After her batshit crazy blustery talk about obliterating Iran, they consider her one of them.

[niceypoo]

44. C'mon sweetie, the primaries are over

Just because Obama won doesn't mean you have to devolve.

:rofl:

[zuul9]

46. Were just concerned for the safety of his presidency. She lost. Get over it !!!

That woman should be kept as far away from Obama as possible.

[niceypoo]

52. Ive never supported her

I just hate bigotry, so sue me.

[AtomicKitten]

48. that kind of hawkish rhetoric has no place in the Democratic party

and your incessant deflection is heavy on the poo and not so much on the nice

edited

[niceypoo]

53. Why are those who were the most obsessed with the Clintons during the primaries....

....spiraling back down into it again?

"After her batshit crazy blustery talk about obliterating Iran, they consider her one of them"

Oh, and take your own advise, sweetie!

[AtomicKitten]

59. here, let me explain this to you

DU rules prohibit personal attacks against other DU members, something you do frequently when you are frustrated by not being able to defend your point of view.

Hillary Clinton isn't your mother or your sister or your significant other, although you and others here have certainly glommed onto her as if she were.

She is a politician and as such DU members are entitled to discuss her here without personal attacks. Link to DU rules: http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html

You're welcome.

[ccharles000]

45. ...

Because she is a right wing witch who will kill us all (or that is what some DUers will tell you)

[Lyric]

56. They want her out of the Senate, and they get to look "bipartisan" about it.

Seems pretty straitlaced to me.

[Qibing Zero]

58. One word: hawk

Clinton is much more gung-ho about the military option.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

61. Who Cares? It's Irrelevant.

Can't wait for her to be confirmed!!!

:bounce:

[ieoeja]

62. Hoping to take advantage of that PUMA split when Obama does NOT make her SOS.

The GOP is not entirely stupid. They see the writing on the wall. They can not maintain power with their White Man Only coalition. So they keep looking for ways to make inroads into other groups. And they will do anything possible short of actually empowering those groups.

When Obama got nominated for the US Senate, and it came out that his Republican opponent routinely brutalized his wife sexually, the GOP took one look at Obama and immediately got their very own Black man to run against him thinking this would split the African-American vote in Chicago. Apparently, there were no African-American Republicans in Illinois at the time as they nominated a man from Maryland instead.

When Hillary did not get the nomination, nor selected as the vice-presidential nominee, they rushed out and found their own female VP candidate thinking this would split the Democratic female vote.

With Obama as the President-elect the GOP is talking about putting an African-American in as head of the RNC.

Given this track record of ineptitude, this whole Hillary-as-SOS stunt would seem to be the exact same thing: stupid GOP tricks.

The GOP is not entirely stupid. But they are entirely stupid on all things not 100% White and Male.