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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 11:13 PM
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Wow. Hillary and Bill will have to go through full on vetting of the
Clinton Foundation if she wants to be SOS.

From TPM:

HRC as SOS

I can't be the only one who's thought of this.

In late December of last year The New York Times wrote a lengthy article about the various donors to the Clinton Foundation, and the conflicts of interest (real or apparent) they might create for Sen. Clinton should she become president. At the time Bill Clinton said that if Hillary were elected he would disclose the identities and contribution totals of all the Foundation's contributors going forward, though not the ones that predated her presidency.

The Foundation's contributors include not only a number of heads of state but also a lot of high-flying businessmen who play the game so high in the stratosphere that what we normally consider foreign policy questions routinely play into their business interests.

Now, Secretary of State is not president. But in the foreign policy realm, it is as close as you get. So how does this all play out if she's nominated to serve as Secretary of State? Does the same going-forward disclosure policy apply?

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
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camera obscura Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 11:14 PM
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1. Hey, why not
last thing Obama needs is some drama in his first term.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 11:16 PM
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3. McCain's team was full of these international conflicts of interest.
I doubt Obama will stand for that sort of thing. This should be interesting.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 11:15 PM
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2. Oh look- more smears. I think I'm starting to realize what the leak was all about. I swear if people
Edited on Sun Nov-16-08 11:19 PM by MetricSystem
around Obama leaked the story just so they could then raise questions about vetting and conflicts of interest, I will be one pissed off Democrat. Frankly, this is starting to look like something intended as a smear job.

Ok, let's say "Clintonites" are behind the leak (as some here claim) and Hillary is pushing to be SOS. Can someone explain why she would bother if she didn't want to be vetted?
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 11:17 PM
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4. So you want Hillary as SOS sans vetting?
That's more McCain than Obama.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 11:23 PM
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10. I didn't say that. My point is she has to know that if she wants to be SOS there is vetting involved
If "Clintonites" are behind the leak, as some here claim, why would she go after a job that requires vetting IF she couldn't possibly pass the vetting test, as some here claim?
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 11:18 PM
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5. Actually, it was Hillary's people who leaked it
That's hardly a secret.

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Diamonique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 11:22 PM
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8. Those questions have been out there all the time.
They came up when she was being discussed as the VP pick.

I think it's unfortunate, but this is an issue that would naturally come up for any position she is chosen for. Personally I hope there's a way to solve this problem, because both of the Clintons could be very helpful to this new administration in some capacity or another.
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camera obscura Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 11:23 PM
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9. Because she wanted to make a show of rejecting it in favor of becoming the new lion of the senate
(just playing devil's advocate)
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 11:24 PM
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11. She's a Junior Senator. She can't just jump over others with seniority.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 11:45 PM
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13. Yeah that's it, Obama must have leaked Hillary's name!
:rofl:
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 11:50 PM
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16. Ok, so she had her name leaked but she can't pass the vetting process (as the haters claim).
Yeah, that makes sense. I can see why she'd want to put herself through the embarrassment.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 12:03 AM
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17. or she had her name leaked in hopes to pressure Obama to
overlook the vetting process.
It's very similar to the VP pick - the media was pumping it for her like crazy, but Obama did not buckle under. I don't know why she thinks the same tactic will work this time.

too bad for the Clintons that chickens do come home to roost.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 12:11 AM
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20. Um, so the Clintons control the media? They should really get some better coverage for themselves,
in that case. Did you ever think that maybe the media mentioned her name a lot re: the VP position because she had been his primary opponent, is considered a skilled politician and because it sells? Again, Hillary supporters had no problem with Obama not picking her as VP. What we hated was the bashing that accompanied the rumors. Kind of like now.

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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 12:17 AM
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22. there are always a few yapping dogs that bark the same message over and over
like that weasel shit Lanny Davis and thelike during the primaries, that do get the attention they crave. and seeing Newstertainment laps up this soap opera crap like they do, it's not all that difficult to steer topics one way or the other if you play the lowest common denominator.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 12:21 AM
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24. Ugh, Lanny Davis? He isn't a power player in the media. And for the record, there are many of us
Edited on Mon Nov-17-08 12:24 AM by MetricSystem
Hillary supporters who roll our eyes and cringe when he's on TV. But no, bringing up little ole Lanny Davis doesn't prove your assertion that the Clintons control the media. And for every Lanny Davis on the Clinton side during the primaries, there was homophobe Roland Martin on the Obama side. Get them BOTH off my TV!
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 12:30 AM
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27. I'll ask you this then: who do you think the media would rather have with power?
a transparency seeking Obama or a known supporter of wars that should not have been fought?

if Hillary is SoS and disagrees with Obama, which horn do you think Blitzer and the rest of the war loving breathless 'journalists' would be tooting for?
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 12:35 AM
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28. Obama picked Biden for VP. Biden voted for the IWR too. But somehow Hillary needs to be punished?
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 12:45 AM
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31. she doesn't need to be punished, she just shouldn't be in a position
to make judgements like that again.

as for Biden, I'm not too happy about his lapse in judgement either, but I think he at least came up with a half assed explanation or apology or something. Which doesn't really cut it with me, but it's a start. Hillary refuses to admit she was wrong wrong wrong and avoids a genuine apology.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 12:40 AM
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29. I can't see why either.
You won't find one of my post blaming her. I've been pointing my finger at the media, and not at Hillary.

Perhaps now is the time to show a little patience, since this is a rumor.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 12:43 AM
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30. Agreed.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:41 PM
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32. everyone has to be vetted. so does she. to not do so is to always
have her credibility be in question. She is not exempt from the process.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 11:19 PM
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6. Josh Marshall is a little slow on this. It's been brought up everywhere starting Friday.
Was he asleep all weekend?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 11:20 PM
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7. It's been pretty obvious to me that Hillary will not be SoS... I'll bet $1000 she won't be
The main reason: Bill Clinton.

He does not want to be vetted or release a list of his contributors. He simply won't do it. So... as the agreement goes, the vetting process includes a candidate's immediate family being a conflict of interest...

Hillary can really make her mark as a great Senator of a very populated state. That's not too shabby.

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 11:39 PM
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12. Maybe They'll Split
There's a small chance that Obama's doing this to cleave off Bill...
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 11:48 PM
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14. Is that the latest leak?
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FKA MNChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 12:23 AM
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25. Bingo!
Taken strictly on her own, HRC would sail over the vetting bar. I'm not so sure Bill wants the Obama team to know everything there is to know about his finances. Not because of anything crooked, but just because.
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vanderBeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 11:49 PM
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15. HILARY AND BILL ARE ABOVE THIS
:sarcasm:

:hide:
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 12:06 AM
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18. Bwahahahaha.
:rofl:
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zuul9 Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 12:06 AM
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19. All the news indicates she will be SOS, but there will be a lot of problems in the future
All the money Bill gets from the rich sheikhs and royals in the middle east, will be a direct conflict of interest, in her role as SOS. Obama wake up! dump the drama queen!
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 12:14 AM
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21. I wonder how much conflict of interest Obama will accept
before he nixes SOS.

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zuul9 Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 12:23 AM
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26. My concern is by the time he dumps her the damage will be done.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 12:18 AM
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23. The media is telling a rumor.
And nothing has changed since this was reported last Thursday.
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