Will Obama's dog need vetting?

[rug]

[dkf]

Has to be hypoallergenic.

[ProSense]

1. Did you watch the "60 Minutes" interview?

He said no.

[Metric System]

2. One thing you can guarantee- the dog will be shown more respect around here than Hillary.

[vanderBeth]

8. A lot of peole don't like Hilary

I'm sorry

[Metric System]

10. Yes, I used to hear it's because of her IWR vote. But with Biden as VP and Kerry possibly as SOS I'm

left wondering...

[vanderBeth]

13. Don't worry, if I don't like someone, it isn't for just one action.

:hi:

[karynnj]

39. Both Biden and Kerry were far more active in trying to push Bush away from war

The IWR is not the reason that most have given for not wanting HRC as SoS - I doubt more than 1% of posts use that as a reason. The fact is that it is the PRESIDENT, not the SoS who decides whether we go to war. But, in spite of that, here is the difference I see in their votes and their comments. (In addition, the vote only was cast by Senators - Richardson was far more hawkish than Kerry in 2002 and 2003 - but he has no recorded vote. There is no reason to prefer him over HRC because he didn't vote for it - he didn't have a vote.)

Biden's Biden/Lugar bill- the SFRC's version of the bill that Kerry also preferred, would at least have made it more obvious that he was not doing what he promised to get the resolution than the IWR. (Dean in fact was on record in fall 2002 as being for Biden/Lugar.) There is no 2002 statement I know of that HRC preferred that bill. In Kerry's case, in speeches and on the Sunday talks shows (that I have given you links to in past posts), said repeatedly in late 2002 and early 2003 that we were not at the point that war was a last resort and that he did not support invading. (So, you KNOW that Kerry had he been President in 2003 would definitely not invaded. That and his whole history made it very obvious that he would be among the slowest people to start a war. This does not mean that his vote was right - something he has taken responsibility for more times than anyone.)

Biden in 2007 spoke of a meeting he had with other (unnamed) Senators where Bush personally told him that he would go to war only as a last resort as being one reason behind his backing the less conditional IWR. There is a reason that both Kerry and Biden have spoken of "war of last resort" so often - with both saying that Iraq wasn't. This is as close as someone running for President can go towards saying that the war we are fighting is an unjust war. (Kerry did in 2006 go further - saying at the Take Back America conference that the war was immoral - leading at least one JK group person to then think he would not run again.) The way each uses it - Kerry more explicitly than Biden - explains when they think it justified to go to war - the words are St Augustine's. (Kerry secularized this in a 2004 debate speaking of a "global test".) This is why I had no problem with Kerry or Biden as President.)

I have not heard HRC ever say anything like this, nor have I heard her ever state when she would take the country to war. The comments that most bothered me were March 2003 comments she made to Code Pink that boil down to her saying the war was necessary. I think enough was known by March 2003 (that was not known in Oct 2002), that I wished I hadn't heard those comments - because when I heard them, there was still a good possibility that she would be our nominee. I would have supported HRC for President had she won the nomination, but would have listened hard to hear the same things on not rushing to war. I suspect that she is closer to Obama/Kerry/Biden than to Bush/McCain.

[TahitiNut]

22. Awww...

:nopity:

[Metric System]

23. I think your post speaks to your maturity.

You must have missed the other thread where she was called the b-word.

[TahitiNut]

24. Actually ...

... you've demonstrated no thought whatsoever. :nopity:

[Metric System]

25. You are a very rude poster. I'm kind of ashamed that you're a fellow Democrat.

[TahitiNut]

27. Q.E.D.

You post yet another in a series of mindless, petulant, infantile personal attacks. :shrug:

[Metric System]

28. Are you kidding me? You popped up in this thread and posted a pic of a baby. You attacked me first

even though I've had no previous encounters with you.

[TahitiNut]

30. You demonstrate no comprehension ..

... of the material difference between an attack on WHAT is posted and an attack against WHO does the posting. None.

:shrug:

[Metric System]

31. You've got to be kidding me. You posted a picture of a baby and you expect me to know that you're

not calling ME a baby, but rather you're saying that my post is whiny. Sorry, I'm not a mind reader and your post certainly came across as an attack against ME as much as my post. Frankly, you could have been clearer and stated that you find my post whiny instead of posting a visual representation.

[mtnsnake]

43. You demonstrate the typical poster who'd rather piss & moan about the Clintons

than ever lift a finger to actually help the cause of our Party.

[TahitiNut]

46. You seem to conflate "Party" with "cult".

Your post is redolent of ignorance. :shrug:

[QueenOfCalifornia]

35. Well....

I think you set out to hijack a thread for your own agenda.

again.

Why does everything have to orbit the world of Hillary Clinton? In your life her gravitational pull is like some super black hole that sucks everything into it...

...even a non threatening OP about a fucking dog for cryin' out loud.

[zuul9]

26. loooool... is that baby hillary

[Metric System]

29. Waiting for your pizza delivery?

[yourguide]

33. You earn respect...

you dont just deserve it.

[Deep13]

44. Precisely. She has. nt

[yourguide]

47. Hasnt earned mine. n/t

[Deep13]

48. Yes, she has. You are just declining to give it. nt

[yourguide]

49. Haaaaaaaahahahahahahaha!

Perhaps your version of what earns respect and mine are different?

I will not be bullied by Hillary zealots into supporting her. Sorry.

[Deep13]

50. You brought it up. Anyway, if you think disagreement = bullying...

...you are in for a rough ride.

[yourguide]

51. I think a statement

presuming that you know she's earned my respect but it's I who decline to give it is a bit bullying yes. Curious, since you dont know me at all, how do you know that she's earned my respect but it's me who's refusing to give it?

I respect Dennis Kucinich, I respect Teddy Kennedy, I respect Barack Obama, I respect Amy Klobachar, I respect Claire McCaskil, and the list goes on.

Again, respect is earned and each of us have different criteria for what earns respect, there are some out there who respect someone who can drink three twelve packs of beer then crush each can on his head and still stand.

Yes, it's a bit bully like for you to insist I should respect someone who hasnt earned my respect yet.

[karynnj]

40. Hillary gets as much respect and disrepect here as anyone

The only one accorded more respect here is Obama - who as our President elect, deserves a "honeymoon period". The same should kick in for Biden as well - though there were many here echoing the RW attempt to accuse Biden of being what Palin really was - a liability.

The fact is that there is a hard court media push to "give" HRC something.

[Clio the Leo]

3. Isn't that what we're doing now?

the WORST part of the interview tonight was the revelation that they wont be getting the dog until late summer, early sping .... I will simply go MAD if I have to endure more dog speculation!!! MAD I TELL YOU!!! MAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pirate Smile]

14. Late winter or early spring. Thankfully, not late summer.

:)

[Clio the Leo]

16. lol, thank you. Blonde moment. NT

[vanderBeth]

4. I'm sure he'll go to the vet regularly

[virgdem]

5. Yes, I think that at some point...

Obama's new doggie will definitely have to go through a thorough "vetting" process at the Vet.

[zuul9]

6. The dog.. No.. The drama queen... Yes (vetted and investigated)

[rug]

9. The drama queen? What, are you stuck in April?

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[vanderBeth]

15. Woah, I'm not a Clinton fan, but that was out of line.

[Metric System]

17. I smell troll. But I can see why this newbie would think this is acceptable when talking about her.

[yourguide]

34. oh stop...

I smell pizza as well but leave the drama at home, no one thinks it's acceptable to call HRC a B**** on this board.

:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:
:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:
:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:
:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:

[rug]

18. Oh, horseshit from an anoymous troll. Shove those asterisks up your dicktionary.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

36. Your wacky

aren't you?

WTF are you trying to discuss? Oh never mind.

[karynnj]

41. Investigated? Did you mean to post that to Free Republic?

Everyone needs to be vetted to enter an administration. The President can't afford to be hit by someone else's baggage. There is a huge difference from saying vetting is needed - to insure that anything embarrassing is known to the President when he makes his choice - and investigating, which sounds like something that at this point applies to only Stevens and Coleman.

No one here will mistake me for a HRC supporter, but this steps over the line.

[kestrel91316]

7. I'd offer my services, but:

A) I'm in California.
and
B) I haven't treated dogs in 17 years so I'm a bit rusty.

[Quantess]

12. Yes. What if he eats cat poop?

That would be a real embarrassment later on.

[Double T]

19. At least 24 hours of drilling under HOT lamps.

[qwlauren35]

20. Sheesh! It's already happening!

I think he made an interesting statement on the 60 MInutes interview that LUCKILY, they had already told the girls to wait until April... since the American people seem to expect it to happen on January 21st.

But will Congress approve?

What kind of dog might not pass congressional oversight? If I recall, Republicans lately have shown a definite inclination toward PITBULLS!!!

:evilgrin:

[MadBadger]

21. Ba-Dum-Chhhh!

[Vinca]

32. There must be a White House employee assigned to pets, don't you think?

It's kind of scary thinking of the damage a puppy could do. "This used to be the Lincoln bedroom, but . . ." My cat, Rosie, could destroy a priceless antique in under 10 minutes.

[Ozma]

37. I favor Vets for all house pets!

[karynnj]

38. Of course, everyone vets the dog they get - especially if they have kids

They want to be sure the dog will fit the family. They also need a hypo-allergenic one.

[soothsayer]

42. Every pet needs a good vet

[Deep13]

45. All dogs need vetting.

Otherwise, they will produce too many dogs.