"Team Obama... is expressing EXASPERATION with the Clinton camp"

[ClarkUSA]

Team Obama, after all but offering SecState to Senator Clinton, is expressing EXASPERATION with the Clinton camp for the difficulty in getting a clean vet on President Bill Clinton’s many entanglements. “The ball is very much in her court, but the president's finances have been a major point of sensitivity from day one,” a Democratic official said. (“Day One!”) “Given that everyone's mystified by how deliberately public the Clintons have made this once secret process, the assumption is either that the Clintons are trying to use the public buzz to steamroll their way in, create a sense of inevitability that overcomes those concerns, or that it's just a matter of time before they … satisfy vetting somehow, some way. Otherwise, after all this speculation, there’ll be a permanent dark cloud hanging over her finances. … But generally the sense among the no-drama Obama world is: This is well on its way to winning best Oscar for drama.”

[BumRushDaShow]

1. Sigh

I wish the Clintons would just go away.

[marylanddem]

19. Agreed. Am tired of looking at their faces.

[krispos42]

78. I just wish people would stop thinking it's hunky-dory...

...for Obama to gut the Senate Democrats to fill out his Cabinet.

When Obama and Biden won, we lost two Democrats.

That's enough.

And now a lot of people want to take out a half-dozen more Democrats from the Senate!



Well, maybe not that many, but a Senator for SecState, another one for SecDefense, another one for SecHealth, another one for SecTreasury, another one for SecHHS, etc.


How about we tap into the giant pool of retired Democratic senators, songressmen, governors, and "deputy secretary of ________" instead of gutting our hard-won majority and threatening our possible filibuster-proof majority?

[BumRushDaShow]

96. I agree.

The call to only look at sitting Democratic Senators and Governors is getting to be over the top. And aside from needing the seniority of the Senators, the governors are needed where they are for 2010 (if they are still in office at that time) when the next redistricting happens.

There should be enough policy wonks and former Staters out there who could fill the job. I still prefer Susan Rice as she has proven herself able to deal with the media and has experience as an Asst. Sect'y of State.

[krispos42]

98. Well, Richardson is out in 2010. Term limits.

So I don't mind him leaving as long as it doesn't anger the New Mexicans that supported him.

But Senators don't have term limits. Hillary can be a Senator until she's old and grey if she plays her cards right.

[ClarkUSA]

152. Richardson is the perfect solution to this dilemma.

Although some would argue that taking Senate Democrats from true blue states won't be a problem, but ya never know.

[LaydeeBug]

208. *I* wish people would just stop thinking it's hunky dory to bash Hillary Clinton. nt

[Whisp]

177. that is my Christmas wish.. for them to please please go away.

this is the kind of shit we'll have to deal with for the next 4 or 8 years if she gets SoS.
There will Always be a Clinton dilemna/drame/ attention hogging, whilel the both of them look smugly in their mirrors at their own imagined importance.

they are sickening.

[beachmom]

2. It's about time it became known how much drama the Clintons & their allies are creating here.

Did Hillary really think all this drama would impress Obama?

[springhill]

106. Oh brother............

she's evil incarnate again. Did anyone even bother to read the whole thing? Some excerpts to balance out the selected paragraph:

But generally the sense among the no-drama Obama world is: This is well on its way to winning best Oscar for drama.”

<snip>

RELAX: President Clinton was in Rotterdam and Kuwait over the past four days and got back this morning. It seems reasonable for a couple to want to talk about a life decision over the kitchen table rather than over a crackly cell connection 10 time zones away.

In Kuwait, the former president sure sounded like a man who wanted this for his wife, so he will presumably do now what he would have had to do if she'd won. AFP quoted WJC as saying at an economic conference sponsored by the National Bank of Kuwait: “If he decided to ask her and they did it together, I think she'll be really great as a secretary of state. … She worked very hard for his election after the primary fight with him, and so did I, and we were very glad that he won and we have a lot of confidence that he can do a good job. But she didn't do what she did with the hope or expectation of getting any kind of job offer, much less having this discussed.”

Politico’s Glenn Thrush: “Clinton foundation barrier to Sec. of State post”: “Barack Obama isn’t likely to offer the Secretary of State post to Hillary Clinton unless he’s given assurances Bill Clinton’s global charitable foundation won’t create future conflicts of interest with foreign governments, according to a person familiar with the situation. … The Clinton Global Initiative has earned widespread plaudits for its efforts to eradicate AIDS, malaria and poverty in Africa. But it could prove problematic for Obama if the former president continues to seek donations from foreign countries – at the same time his wife is asking them for diplomatic concessions as Secretary of State. … The Clinton Global initiative, which has raised more than $30 billion since 2005, has solicited major donations from a handful of foreign governments, including a $1 billion pledge from Norway in 2007.

***“Obama’s vetting team expressed similar worries about Bill Clinton’s overseas fundraising when Hillary Clinton was briefly considered for the vice-presidency, former Clinton aides say.”

A neutral Democrat tells Playbook: "I doubt that they are looking for an excuse to pick someone else but rather are genuinely concerned that Bill Clinton’s work, while worthy, would be greatly complicating if she were SecState."

[mudesi]

3. I just don't know why he's including the Clintons at all

They are corrupt DLC corporatists. I understand he's trying to build "unity", but the Clintons need to just get out. A new Democratic party needs to be built, and the DLCers need to be weeded out.

[marylanddem]

11. Thank you.

[wyldwolf]

37. lol!

yeah... sure.

[Lucky 13]

40. Agreed. Purge the DLC.

[QC]

132. Does that mean that Obama will have to fire his chief economist,

who is also and at the same time the DLC's chief economist?

[Lucky 13]

133. An economist is different than a politician.

[JVS]

43. This complaint is an indicator that he's not.

It's all a dance. It would be too blunt to say "Go away", it has to look like an effort was made to be inclusive.

[Metric System]

46. So you're saying the Obama camp is playing games? They're pretending to be interested in having

Hillary in the cabinet just so it LOOKS like tried? Wow.

[Lucky 13]

49. OR, giving them ANOTHER opportunity to demonstrate they will play by his rules...

I think he WANTED to believe that they could get on board, knock off the drama, no leaks, no demands, no arm twisting, no shenanigans, no resistance to standard vetting...

...and they have failed miserably. Again.

He should feel free to wash his hands of them after this. More trouble than they are worth.

[tekisui]

75. And, I think he will.

He can walk away, he gave them every opportunity.

[CoffeeCat]

87. For some reason, the Clintons...

...operate as if it's the early 1990's and they're still in power.

They act as if pulling the old, manipulative, grand tricks of yesteryear--will get them
whatever they desire.

Well, maybe it worked in the early '90's--but that was nearly twenty years ago. Do the
Clintons own a calendar?

You can see what the Clinton camp did. They wanted Hillary in as SOS and they launched
a campaign to strongarm Obama into choosing her--by force and manipulation.

How in the world did they ever think that this would work?

They overestimate their own power, and they underestimate Obama.

As usual, Obama is playing it like a winner. He must drive the Clintons nuts.

Obama must be tired of playing kindergarten headmaster, when the Clintons start "acting out".

[tekisui]

74. NO, the Obama Administration, no longer a camp, is giving her a chance.

She and Bill are playing their usual games.

[CoffeeCat]

95. I don't think Obama EVER considered her for SOS...

The entire idea of Clinton as SOS was launched in the media by Clinton people.

Obama, nor anyone in his camp, suggested that she was being considered for SOS. In
fact, when Obama was interviewed on "60 Minutes" he said that he sought her for
"advice and counsel."

The Clintons launched a "Hillary for SOS!" PR campaign.

Obama is now responding to it--by playing along, but not giving Hillary her way.

She played games. The media put out stories about her SOS consideration, so now
Obama is putting out his own stories about Bill Clinton being a big problem.

Obama made Hillary go away as vp choice with this same "Your husband is a problem"
meme. Obama is doing it again.

I don't know why the Clintons thought that being so brazen and passive aggressive
would get them anything.

[Metric System]

102. Sorry that doesn't even make sense. How in the hell can Hillary force Obama to pick her as SOS? He's

the leader of party! And she didn't try to force herself into the VP slot, either. He never wanted her as his VP and that's his decision to make with respect. Roland Martin said she was never a consideration.

[CoffeeCat]

111. It does make sense...

Last week, a reporter asked Hillary what she thought about Rahm Emanuel and if she
believed she would have access to him. Hillary practically choked with anger and
shot back, "Rahm Emanuel! He's gonna be accessible TO ME!"

Immediately after that episode, we start getting the Clinton-as-SOS push.

I think she panicked. I think she realized that she was going to be on
the outside looking in--and she decided that she needed a seat at the
head table.

Hillary and Rahm Emanuel are not on friendly terms. They're practically
political enemies. The Clintons have long thought that he leaked sensitive
information about her healthcare plan--and that these leaks ultimately
killed her plan, because talk radio tainted it before Hillary officially
launched the plan. I think the choice of Rahm made her feel that if she
wasn't on the inside--the potential was there to be shut out.

It was Hillary people--not Obama people--who were commenting to the media
about this. Kissinger endorsing her was part of that as well. Obama's camp
has stated that the Clinton people were the ones who made this all a media circus.
She thought she could pressure Obama into making the decision, by lobbying for her
through media pressure.

If Clinton looked inevitable...Obama would look like a chump for not picking
her.

You're right...Clinton can't "force" Obama to pick her, as you said. However,
she can galvanize support for the idea, via the media, and make herself look
like the inevitable choice and make it nearly impossible for Obama to pick
Richardson or Kerry--without looking like a meanie for passing on Hillary.

She tried to manipulate.

Obama's playing on Hillary's terms and launching his own media meme...that Hillary
won't be SOS because Bill is a liability.

That DOES make sense, because it is what has happened. Obama didn't leak
any of this Clinton/SOS nonsense. It was all coming from the Clinton camp.

[Metric System]

114. Wow, that's some twisted logic. There's no use arguing with haters like you.

As for the Rahm Emmanuel story I keep seeing you repeat, according to the NY Daily News "the former Democratic White House front-runner laughed" laughed as she said it, which is far from the way you portrayed it.

[CoffeeCat]

117. I don't hate anyone or anything...

...but thanks for trying to obfuscate the real issues, by suggesting that it's my
"hate" that is the problem here.

This whole, "You are a hater" thing is really worn out.

I've got my opinion about what is going on. You have yours. I don't think our opinions
make either of us haters.

That hate line is a Freeperism.

Whenever anyone comments on Palin, they scream, "You just hate Sarah Palin!!!! Hater!!"

Sorry, that malarkey doesn't fly here.

[Metric System]

119. When you make stuff up, put forth smears and pass on innuendo that is hate.

[CoffeeCat]

123. Obama has all ready expressed "exasperation"...

...with the Clinton camp over their leaks.

I'm not making that up.

There are certain facts, and I'm merely connecting the dots--based on Hillary Clinton's
past behavior.

She did get very angry when a reporter asserted that she might not have access to Rahm Emanuel.
Emanuel and Clinton aren't on good terms.

The Clinton camp has been leaking ALL of the Hillary-as-SOS information to the press. That's
also a fact.

Jenmito just mentioned that Bill Richardson was interviewed last Friday. We heard very little
about that and there were no leaks or media lobbying about Richardson, because his camp didn't
engage in a "Hire me!" campaign. The Clinton people did. That's a fact.

So, suggesting that these Clinton leaks are pressure tactics---that's "hate"? Seriously?

The Obama camp today, came out and said this,

"Given that everyone's mystified by how deliberately public the Clintons have made this once secret process, the assumption is either that the Clintons are trying to use the public buzz to steamroll their way in, create a sense of inevitability that overcomes those concerns...

So....what that "hate" speech, coming from the Obama camp?

Just because you don't like the writing on the wall--doesn't mean it's "hate."

[Metric System]

130. That's not an official Obam camp statement and it's from Politico, so I would take it with a grain

of salt.

[ClarkUSA]

148. It's from unnamed sources who chose to speak to Politico's top political reporter.

Gee, wonder why?

Maybe it's a deliberate pushback to mitigate the Clintonian steamroll to get Hillary the SoS job without a proper and thorough vetting
of Bill's shady business/library donor deals?

[ClarkUSA]

149. Are you at DU only to attack people for being "Hillary Haters" when they don't genuflect properly?

You appear like clockwork to attack any thread that doesn't express total and complete reverence for the Clintons.
Lemme guess, you're a big fan of Lady Forrester de Rothschild. :eyes:

[Metric System]

165. Please do not insinuate that I am a PUMA. I voted for Obama. I donated too. As I've said numerous

times, I have no issue with people who criticize Hillary Clinton for legitimate reasons (policies, words, actions). What I don't like is smears and innuendo. Just today on DU someone was smearing her using a debunked story told by a guy who writes for such right-wing rags as AIM, World Net Daily and Newsmax. In fact the smear wasn't only against Hillary but against the Kennedys too. Pardon me for defending Democrats from right-wing smear jobs.

[ClarkUSA]

174. I didn't. I wouldn't know who you really are ... I go by your predictable "Hillary Hater" refrain.

Thanks for trying to explain, but so far, I haven't seen you once defending anyone but Hillary and Bill.
Just because someone isn't as enamoured of the Clintons as you are (and there are many of us who
feel that way) doesn't mean their opinions are any less valid than yours or any of the others here who
are so quick to cry "Hillary Hater".

This OP is as well-sourced as the CNN one with unnamed Obama officials, by the way. I have never
referenced a right-wing rag, nor do I intend to do so.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

203. Why do you hate America?

I mean Hillary. :*

[Cosmic Charlie]

135. why are there so many 'haters' and so few of you?

You might as well just call us 'haters', Democrats.
That's really all we are.

[Cosmic Charlie]

134. she does it by convincing the Public that she has already been picked

and then daring Obama to not pick her.

[Whisp]

178. all with that smirk on her face like she's thinking:

I know something You don't know.

well, lady. That's old style mcCain type politics of the 90s.
it's not going to work, just like your McCain like campaign tactics didnt' work and your press for VP much in the same way you are doing for SoS, did not work.

leave the spotlight while some people still think you have a shred of dignity.

[Chulanowa]

204. Simply by the fact she could be dangerous to key goals in the Senate, if turned aside

To beat a cliché, hell hath no fury, right? And Sen. Clinton is a strong and influential senator from a powerhouse state. Telling her "thanks, but no thanks" could easily end up with her pulling like Lieberman and undermining the agenda of the administration. Certainly not as horribly as Lieberman (she'd still be a strong Democrat even in opposition) but it could be enough to derail things.

Now, I've said once before, I don't have any problem with Sen. Clinton getting a cabinet position - Though I'd prefer Pres. Clinton if we must have a Clinton in there, if only to keep that Senate Seat secure (Governors appoint Senators, yes? Or does New York hold special elections?). I think either one of them would be kickass. I also just happen to think that an indelicate denial of Sen. Clinton could bring more problems to the Obama administration than anyone really wants.

[Beacool]

69. Fat chance since they are half of the party.

Don't like it? Too bad.

:shrug:

[Carolina]

104. half the party????

They said he couldn't win. They said that hard working white people wouldn't vote for him. They said all he had was a speech...

Remember Al Gore speaking of Bush I at the 1992 convention: "It's time for them to go..."

Well, now it's 2008 and time for the Clintons (and the DLC) to GO!

[Beacool]

120. The Clintons are not going anywhere

and neither is the DLC.

[Cosmic Charlie]

136. the DLC will never have power in the Democratic Party again

they might as well become the RLC. at least there they would have a chance.

[Carolina]

101. Exactly!!

[jesus_of_suburbia]

112. If he chooses her... all the blame is on HIM! He already chose war hawk Rahm Emanuel.

Shame you can't place blame on the person who chooses his cabinet.

It's always got to be a Clinton conspiracy with you. Don't deny it. I saw your posts in the Primaries.


Do you think Obama is so weak that he has to cave into demands from the Clintons?

[mudesi]

126. What conspiracy?

All I said was that he shouldn't even consider them at all, because they are DLC corporatists. That's not a conspiracy, that's common knowledge.

[SoxFan]

138. "The DLCers need to be weeded out"

You mean Bill Richardson?

John Kerry?

Can you be more specific?

[Metric System]

4. This is confirming my suspicions that this has been nothing but an attempted smear job. Look another

leak! But I thought the Obama team doesn't leak? That's what I've been hearing on DU ever since the SOS rumor came out. So did the Clintons leak this too?

[Barack_America]

16. Yeah and they even got Bill Clinton to talk about it from a foreign country.

Where he's getting paid for god-knows-what.

Very clever with the smearing, that team Obama.

[Metric System]

17. I'm sorry but I've been told that the Obama team doesn't leak and that the SOS rumor came from

"Clintonites." So who's leaking this?

[Barack_America]

18. I don't understand your point. Bill Clinton spoke about Hillary possibly becoming SOS...

...on the record and in a foreign country.

That pretty much goes beyond "leaking" that she's under consideration, no?

[Metric System]

20. I'm referring to when the SOS story first came out. Some here said that the Obama camp doesn't leak

and that the rumor must have come from the Clinton side in a bid to "back Obama into a corner and force him to pick Hillary." If this story on Politico came from the Obama camp then it can't be said they don't leak.

[Barack_America]

27. The Obama camp does leak. But they are likely not the driving force behind these leaks.

Or "geisers", as I guess you would have to consider Bill's contribution.

[Cosmic Charlie]

56. these are leaks meant to counteract the bs perception that the initial leak created

someone decided that they were tired of the Clintons trying to manipulate the narrative,
so they let us know that Bill Richardson was just as much a possibility as Hillary and that the Clintons were stonewalling on the vetting.

I,for one, am glad somebody is standing up against the strongarm tactics.

[Metric System]

58. In other words, your just making assumptions that confirm your already held beliefs.

[Cosmic Charlie]

62. so far, my hypothesis has been confirmed

I said on Thursday that the meeting was not an actual offer, but an inquiry into whether Hillary would like to be vetted and considered for a position in the Cabinet.

Guess what? We know now that there was no offer and that the vetting process is holding up any chance of an offer.
We also know that though the initial 'leak' seemed to describe a done deal, later Bill Richardson was interviewed which totally undermined any sense of a sure thing.

[Cosmic Charlie]

53. nice try, Bill. all we want to know is who you owe favors to

is that so much to ask?

[beachmom]

23. It's a war of leaks, MetricSystem. The only leak that came out of the Obama

transition team (as in someone of authority) was the IDEA that Hillary might be Sos. That was a trial balloon. All the other leaks are coming from different factions of the party jockeying for position.

Kerry has already been a victim of vicious leaks, like the one that said he was "heavily lobbying" for the job. Absolutely not true, yet it was leaked.

[Metric System]

26. So I wonder who this leak is coming from? Or is Politico making it up? I tend not to trust Politico.

[beachmom]

29. From Democrats who don't want Clinton as SoS. OR, in a reverse

psychology move, from Clinton allies, if she actually doesn't want the job and is looking for an out.

Who knows?

[ErinBerin84]

31. I tend not to trust Politico too

And, is a "Democratic official" someone who is not an advisor or on the transition team? The Huff Post also used "Democratic officials" in their report. Are these really insiders? They don't sound like advisors, though other reports have quoted supposed advisors...of which there are many. It's all so maddening.

[babylonsister]

5. I just knew this was from politico. One big gossip rag at times. nt

[ClarkUSA]

52. Politico first broke the Rahm Emanuel=Chief of Staff story based on anonymous sources.

And Mike Allen is their top political reporter. So I wouldn't dismiss this totally out of hand, as anonymous sources
told Politico about Obama's choice of Emanuel, which as we all know now, was 100% correct. Besides, it's not as
if the statements made in the story are unbelievable (many more here disbelieved the Emanuel story, as I recall).
I look at it as Team O pushback against the full-court Clintonian press to make Hillary SoS.

[Cronus Protagonist]

6. Speculation...

..and a highly selective quotation. Here's the next paragraph.

"RELAX: President Clinton was in Rotterdam and Kuwait over the past four days and got back this morning. It seems reasonable for a couple to want to talk about a life decision over the kitchen table rather than over a crackly cell connection 10 time zones away."

[AllentownJake]

21. Wow a reasonable thought

Don't see that on here that often.

[Cronus Protagonist]

34. Thanks! I flirt with banning all the time

I remember several close shaves :)

[Beacool]

97. Oh my gosh, stop the presses!!!!!!!

One voice of reason amongst the rabid mongoose.

Bless you!!!!!!

:7

[ClarkUSA]

121. No, the OP is from the same politcal news source who first broke the Emanuel=CoS rumor.

There were unnamed Democratic sources there, too. There's nothing missing from my quote; it gets to the meat of the matter.
But then again, you and your Hallelujah "Praise the Clintons" chorus are highly selective about what you consider apropos to
nothing.

[Cronus Protagonist]

151. Not so. The meat of the matter is to RELAX, which supercedes the other quote

And I did not praise the Clintons... your true intentions are showing, dear. Such Clinton hating must take an awful lot of energy. Perhaps you might be better off using that on something productive.

[ClarkUSA]

157. I am quite relaxed, thanks... however, it's funny how Hillary/SoS is playing out like Hillary/VP

Team O doesn't like being steamrolled into making decisions, apparently. No wonder you almost got banned thrice.
Must be all that Obama supporter hating you do/have done. May your remaining time here be brief.

[marylanddem]

7. Our globe-trotting money-grubbing ex-president Bill.

[1corona4u]

41. Who happened to preside over the best economy we've seen

since I can remember. I can overlook his/her faults a bit. Too bad you, and others are so bitter about them, can't. Good thing no one who shares your sentiment has any influence over Obama's decisions.

I wonder, just how 'perfect' you and the other chronic Clinton bashers are....I bet not so much.

I find you Clinton bashing people more despicable than I do anything coming from the Clinton camp. You have no respect for one of the best presidents in modern times, despite his personal bad judgment on a couple of things.

I don't love either of them, but they deserve some respect just the same.

And before you, or anyone else for that matter, bash me for my opinion, you should know that I don't give a flying fuck what anyone thinks of me, or my opinion. And I will not respond to condescending replies, or anyone attacking my opinion. So don't waste your time.

[ClarkUSA]

42. Apples and oranges.

The problem is, what Bill has done after he's been president is a direct reflection of his personal choices and perpetually
questionable moral-ethical boundaries, which poses an obvious vetting problem, not to mention a PR problem for the
incoming Obama administration as they try to chart the most transparent presidency in modern American history.

[1corona4u]

57. Is Bill being considered for SOS?

I don't think so....is Hillary Bill? I don't think so..... what if you were denied a job, or the possibility of a job, because your spouse had alleged dubious connections?

I think there is enough speculation, and rumor mongering, to circle the planet multiple times where the SOS position, and the Clintons for that matter, are concerned.

It's only a problem for people who always look for the negatives in people, whether or not they are actually real.

I will trust that Obama knows what he's doing, whether or not he chooses Hillary.

[gal]

66. Spousal connections are very much a part of the process and they should be.

If they don't accept that then they should not apply for a job with this administration.

[1corona4u]

88. Is Obama taking applications? Maybe I'll shoot him mine...

:eyes:

[Carolina]

107. exactly

spousal connections helped sink Geraldine Ferraro back in the day. Of course nowadays, she doesn't need the spousal 'support.' She sinks herself whenever she opens her mouth. LOL

[ClarkUSA]

67. Team Obama 's job application has 63 point specs. One of them: a spouse's conflicts of interest.

Bill is a spouse, ergo his dodgy business dealings with conmen, despots, and dictators and super-secret library donor list
is on the table. Think Geraldine Ferraro's husband. If I were being vetted for SoS, I would expect my husband's past and
present business and charitable dealings to be thoroughly examined. Frankly, if I were Hillary, I'd pass, in order to spare
Bill any further embarrassing scrutiny.

I trust Team O, too, which is why this news story is so fascinating. It sounds like a deliberate pushback.

[1corona4u]

91. Yeah, I'm curious where all this shit is coming from....

hopefully, it will all come out.

[Barack_America]

73. Um, Hillary uses the money too.

That Bill gets from these business dealings.

Just saying.

[1corona4u]

86. How do you know?

When I was married, his money was his, and mine was mine. We shared a household account, which we each contributed to. I'd like some proof that they share 'his' money, from 'his' business dealings. Maybe she gets money from 'his' obvious/legitimate income sources. But, hey, feel free to think the worst.

[Barack_America]

108. She loaned her campaign $13 million.

Last I checked, Senators don't make that much. And the reports were that they didn't have much money when they left the White House.

[karynnj]

161. In many high level jobs or senstive positions,

you could be denied a job if your spouse had dubious connections and they were known. Certainly it makes a difference in executive positions.

[blm]

146. I bash Clinton because of his protection of Poppy Bush and the powerful throughout the 90s

and it looks to me like ALOT of America's pain the last decade would NOT have happened if Bill sided with ME and those Dems who wanted BCCI's serious matters fully scrutinized and revealed.

Did Clinton's siding with Bush's secrecy and privilege over the right of citizens to open and accountable government prove to be an act of a 'great' president?

The national security and economic security of this nation wouldn't BE in jeopardy right now if BCCI matters had been dealt with honestly throughout the 90s.

No Bush2, no 9-11 event, no invasion of Iraq would have been possible if Bush1 and his powerful cronies were held to account WHEN they were at their most exposed in the Dec 1992 BCCI report. What happened?

[Whisp]

179. thankyou for telling the ugly truth, blm.

I notice no one wants to deal with this info, just letting you know that some of us are paying attention to this.

[blm]

205. Thanks for noticing. I don't mind the blm-bashing, though....it shows a poster's priorities

and their level of dedication to open government....or....their devotion to the persuaders embedded in our party.

[ClarkUSA]

193. True. Pres. Clinton signed off on the Telecommunications "Reform" Act of 1996, NAFTA, GATT (WTO),

Everyone of those bills I named above ran counter to what the Democratic party SHOULD stand for. The media deregulation
law to us further to the right and Clinton signed it. NAFTA & GATT (WTO) did serious damage to the working class in this
country. Clinton signed both of those. The anti-terrorism law passed in 96' was just a tad short of being the Patriot Act
and in itself, represensted a serious assault on our Constitutional rights. We were being driven to the right during the 90's,
into fascism, and I don't see that Clinton did anything substantial to stop that trend.

Just a reminder to those who don't know:

"We can thank Clinton's Telecommunications "Reform" Act of 1996 for the right-wing Clear Channel's dominance of radio
and for the right-wing Sinclair Broadcast Group becoming the biggest TV chain in the country. Clear Channel owned 40
radio stations before the Telecom bill and 1200 soon after. Sinclair had 11 stations before the bill, and now has 62 TV
stations...TV news is dominated by 5 corporations." Link: http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1122-31.htm

[scarletwoman]

199. Let us not forget "Plan Colombia". Another one of Bill Clinton's greatest hits.

I despise the man. Yes, I totally get his charm and charisma, but that's exactly how con men get away with so much shit.

When he refused to grant clemency to Leonard Peltier, that was it for me. Up 'til then I tried to rationalize all the other crap -- NAFTA, Welfare Reform, etc. -- and I fervently defended him all through the impeachment bullshit.

But the Leonard Peltier thing was the last straw.

As someone said above, I wish the Clintons would just go away -- and take their fucking circus with them.

sw

[ClarkUSA]

206. Yup.

I understand how you feel. And I agree completely.

[scarletwoman]

209. Thank you! (nt)

[ShortnFiery]

185. Yes, the same guy who pardoned his half-brother and a number of shady corporate personas.

:eyes: He's a FORMER President but Bill Clinton believes he's the "Daddy Warbucks" POWER BROKER TO THE WORLD. :thumbsdown:

[onehandle]

8. This is just more rumor from Allen's Twitter like blog.

No substance whatsoever.

[ErinBerin84]

9. I wish all the insiders would just STFU

Who the hell are these Democratic officials? I really don't think it's "all but offered", but if it was, then it's pretty obvious that Bill Clinton's finances could become an issue in terms of vetting. I still don't think it's appropriate to whine about it to the press...complaining about the drama yet contributing to the drama by speaking anonymously about it.

[Barack_America]

10. No fucking shit. Particularly when you've got Bill Clinton commenting on the matter from KUWAIT.

It's almost as if he's challenging the Obama team to question his shady business dealings.

[marylanddem]

14. Yep. In your face money grubbing.

[ClarkUSA]

207. NYT: "Many Dealings of Bill Clinton Are Under Review"

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/us/politics/18clintons.html

[bdamomma]

12. if anyone saw Obama on 60 minutes last nite

he is not giving away any information about possible appointments.

[Thrill]

13. Don't let it become drama. Just come out and name Richardson or Kerry

if the Clinton camp wants to keep pussy footing around

[Lucky 13]

39. I think that's what's going to happen.

I think Obama was open to the idea of Hillary, but like with the VP selection, he discovered once again that the Clintons are impossible to work with, are nothing but DRAMA and they leak like an old faucet. He hates that bullshit and won't tolerate it from them or anyone. I suspect that he's done with them and that he announces Richardson or Kerry in the next few days to squash the gossip.

Whoever he chooses is fine with me, even if it is HRC, but I just don't see Barack doing that. Maybe if she and Bill were able to keep their mouths shut... but not now.

Did you see Saturday Night Live? There was a joke about HRC and the new administration on Weekend update. Seth said something like, "Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton met this week to discuss a potential role for Hillary in his administration. Hillary said, 'I'll take President'".

uh huh. That about sums it up.

[acmavm]

15. I do not like Bill Clinton, but this is just getting ridiculous.

All I can say is WHHAAAAAAAHHHHH.

[opihimoimoi]

22. Obama ...all he has to do is set a friggen DEADLINE...by NOON TODAY or it goes to someone else

dats it...

[northernlights]

24. team Obama doesn't leak

"Team Obama.... is expressing EXASPERATION "

From this sentence on, the article has zero credibility with me.

Yesterday on This Week, they said straight out that a problem with Hillary is potential conflict of interest due to the Clinton Foundation. That's not a matter of refusing vetting. It's a matter of her disentangling herself from Prez Clinton's foundation. Not an easy fix, I suppose.

Everything else is rumor, speculation and bs. May as well get used to it. Team O doesn't leak, so the media feels it needs to fill the gap.

[glitch]

109. "expressing" can cover so many possiblities. Someone may have sighed in politicos presence.

Or maybe politico just made it up to roil the waters. Get used to it, they will be pulling this shit as long as they remain out of power. They don't have that many other options.

[dbonds]

25. Is it interesting that the only leak Obama had in this whole process was when it came to Hillary.

After that Obama leaked the names of the other shortlisters to mitigate the story.

[Metric System]

28. Actually Kerry's name leaked first.

[dbonds]

32. His wasn't leak, just speculated. The leak was stated as a leak about Hillary.

[karynnj]

159. That wasn't a leak - his name was xsimply the most prominent

over several media lists It was there simply because of 24 years on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee,that he is one of the top Democratic foreign policy experts, and he was a very good active surrogate for Obama from the moment of his early endorsement. Not only did nothing come from Kerry, when it was speculated he had his spokesperson quickly respond that the speculation was ridiculous - and when that didn't stop it, he said he hadn't spoken to anyone in the transition team.

[uponit7771]

30. Good point

[HeraldSquare212]

33. It seems like nothing can happen without days and days of nonsense.

There's a hell of a lot of work to be done. Sideshows just detract from that work.

[Metric System]

35. Hillary's going to fight it out at the convention! Democrats divided!!!

Um, why do we still believe the media's reporting on all things Clinton/Obama? Especially the execrable Politico? Oh that's right, because it reinforces your Hillary-hate.

[Bumblebee]

36. Finally someone obliged the Hillary-haters on the DU with a juicy gossip! Hooray!

You guys should pay Allen big bucks for this one anonymous source gratification. As to those of us who left the DU during the Hillary-bashing primaries, and then returned just recently feeling it was safe and we were all united again, it is, alas, time to unbookmark the DU again -- unless the mods come up with a separate Hillary-bashing category that the rest of us can avoid.

[Name removed]

44. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[ClarkUSA]

175. Get over yourself.

The Clintons are not above examination, criticism, or dissection by DUers.

Get used to it, because ObamaIs44 now. :)

[wyldwolf]

38. "Democratic official"

?

[S_E_Fudd]

47. Probably some precinct captain in Podunk, ID...

eom

[S_E_Fudd]

45. According to Andrea Mitchell...

It was Obama's people that confirmed the offer...

Reporting like Smith's indicates a lazy media with too much time to fill...

[ErinBerin84]

48. well, technically

Andrea said that they confirmed to her that she was being considered, and that she thinks it's serious because they would not have a meeting otherwise. But she did not confirm that it was an outright offer. And it was Obama advisors who she had "known for years". And she said that she did not think it was an intentional leak ...so why are they talking to blabbermouth Mitchell?


Again, I'll echo my sentiment that all the supposed insiders should just shut up, they create too much drama than necessary.

[Sensitivity]

115. When was this?? LINK please? I only heard confirmation of meeting after "leak" was reported in MSM

[Erin Elizabeth]

50. I kind of wondered how the Obama people and Obama himself

were reacting to all this drama, seeing as how they don't like drama. I don't like it, either. It's best to have as little as possible, you can get more done that way.

[Cosmic Charlie]

51. well, well, well. It seems, many of us were exactly right.

Clintons leak to try to influence public pressure on Obama by creating seeming inevitability and possibility of disappointed Hillary supporters if Obama denies her.

This is exactly what they tried to do during the Veepstakes.
Leaking info to the Public to force Obama's hand quickly and without thorough vetting.

It didn't work then and it won't work now.
They will come to realize that Obama cannot be bullied or rushed into bad decisions.

[Metric System]

54. Are you kidding me? Where's the swell of enthusiasm among Hillary supporters for her to be SOS?

[Cosmic Charlie]

59. I guess you weren't here the day that the 'leak' first popped up

It was a non-stop Parade of "Hillary, Goddess of Peace, for SOS" threads

[Metric System]

71. Yeah, God forbid anybody show a bit of excitement at the possibility. But not to worry, the usual

haters were quick to clamp down on any enthusiasm most of us could muster over the rumor. I hope Hillary remains in the Senate far away from the vultures.

[mkultra]

72. so first there was then there wasnt?

get your Obama hating under control.

[Metric System]

80. Obama hating? Huh? I'm not making threads or posts attacking Obama. I've said in plenty of threads

that it's up to Obama who he picks and whoever he picks should go through the vetting process.

[mkultra]

81. Claiming Obama is repeatedly trying to smear Hillary

is pretty much a hater act.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7881371&mesg_id=7881384

[Metric System]

84. Don't lecture to me about hating when there's thread after thread attacking and smearing Hillary.

[mkultra]

85. i can lecture you on your actions

but you cant lecture me on anyone elses. Sorry, you lose again.

[Cosmic Charlie]

79. didn't you just say there was no swell of enthusiasm? which is it?

[Metric System]

90. My statements aren't contradictory. There is no swell of enthusiasm. However, I'm sure some Hillary

supporters were excited to hear the rumor. But I'm also sure that whatever excitement they had has since been dampened. But overall I don't see a big push among Hillary supporters for her to be SOS.

[ProSense]

94. Yeah, Bill shooting off his mouth in Kuwait,

the parade of Repub/neocons, James Carville and non-stop media coverage don't amount to much enthusiasm.

[Cosmic Charlie]

99. what are the Pukes going to do with all that oppo-research on Bill's dealings

if the Clintons are not around?

They are overjoyed at the notion of SOS Hillary.

[Metric System]

100. I'm referring to Hillary supporters on DU, period. You know, us, the little people. In other words,

if Obama doesn't pick Hillary for SOS, you won't see most of us making a fuss.

I notice you mention Rethugs and Neocons. Why is is that when, say, Obama receives support from them it's portrayed as a sign of bipartisanship and his leadership skills, but when a Rethug or a Neocon says something positive about Hillary portrayed as nefarious? Just more smearing. Oh look Kissinger said something nice!

[Cosmic Charlie]

113. Repukes look at the Clintons with the same gleam in their eyes that a cat looks at a mouse

sure they want her... just so they can play with her

[sniffa]

168. HATER!!1!

[Skwmom]

55. Hmmm..

Bill Clinton: "But she didn't do what she did with the hope or expectation of getting any kind of job offer."

When did they start talking about the Team of Rivals? If Clinton passes the vetting, it will make me wonder if a prior deal was struck and this was all for show. And the way they are slamming Richardson and Kerry for wanting some kind of political quid per quo makes me wonder even more.

[ErinBerin84]

60. Hillary supposedly discussed the possibility for other cabinet positions too

So it's probably just too early in the process for these people to speculate...who knows... Marc Ambinder has a bit more on it.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/11/on_wednesday_the_call_came.php

A few things:

Sources close to the process have said that Obama and Clinton discussed a variety of possible roles she could play in a new administration, including Secretary of State.

If Clinton is offered a cabinet spot and decides to accept it, it's not unreasonable to expect her to want to think about her options and spend time discussing the offer with her close friends and advisers.

As it happens, three of her top advisers -- former campaign manager Maggie Williams, chief legal adviser Cheryl Mills, and President Clinton -- were out of the country late last week.

Mills, who was Abu Dhabi, has always played a central role on any matters related to the Clinton's joint finances or the presidents' foundation work. Any vet of Clinton's finances would run through Mills.

Bill and Hillary would be called upon to make decisions about transparency together, and since the former president was in Europe and Kuwait through Sunday, it's not unreasonable to expect Hillary Clinton to want to cogitate with her husband in person.

People close to the Obama transition say they understand all this -- they understood all this last week --- and that there's been no delaying, there's been no acrimony, and that Clinton and her team have acted professionally and appropriately.

[KittyWampus]

82. It's reasonable Hillary would confer w/people but NOT allies who leak to the press.

If this is true, then it says volumes about Hillary's choice of confidants.

[Catherine Vincent]

61. Exasperation!

:eyes:

[ecstatic]

63. We don't need this drama and this is just like her campaign

I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt, but it looks like she hasn't changed.

[AndrewP]

118. I'd rather they go elsewhere

I'm not anti-Clinton as much as I'm just hoping for a new direction away from this chronic drama.

[zulchzulu]

64. Bill didn't want to be fully vetted when Hillary was up for VP possibility

Why would it change a couple months later?

:shrug:

All I can say is that for Bill Clinton thinking he doesn't need to get vetted and then have Hillary in as SoS and later have some conflict of interest or other matters that strangle Obama's administration is just a weeny, teeny bit selfish on his part... that's based on if he isn't wanting to be vetted.

My perception of the Clintons has improved recently, but even the greatest fans know that the Clintons are all about drama and love being in the spotlight.

The mainstream media loves this shit and so do the Repigs...

[AtomicKitten]

65. It's a magic trick.

The Clinton and their minions create a dust storm, wave their arms around to distract, insist she was offered the job and has already been vetted, and just give her the job dammit.

That's how they roll.

[peace frog]

70. If that's how they roll

then they can keep rollin' on until they're gone baby gone. I used to respect the Clintons once, then Hillary ran for president ('nuff said). Get thee back to the Senate where ya belong, Hil honey.

[Cosmic Charlie]

77. sadly, that is how they roll. unfortunately for us, it's not magic, it's bullshit.

[Eurobabe]

131. I wish they would just roll back in the direction of NY state

Please, NO FUCKING DRAMA!!!

[AtomicKitten]

140. keep on rollin'

:hi:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54XRNQ2C2x0

[EFerrari]

155. Yep. The old guard doesn't go down easy.

What a waste of talent all around.

[rvablue]

68. OK, you cut and pasted a quote from "Democratic official", would you mind providing

a link or a source for this so I can read it in it's original form and also found out where this was published, broadcast or posted.

Thanks

[ClarkUSA]

76. Sure.

The link is embedded in the word "EXASPERATION" in the OP. :)

Note: Mike Allen is Politico's top political reporter and it was Politico who first broke the rumor on its blog
that Rahm Emanuel was going to be Obama's Chief of Staff pick -- according to anonymous Democratic
sources. That caused a big stir here at the time, with many disbelieving the story because of unnamed
sources. Don't people know that anonymous sources are the bread and butter of political news everywhere?

[BattyDem]

83. "the Clintons are trying to use the public buzz to steamroll their way in"

If that's true, they made a huge mistake. Haven't they learned by now that Obama doesn't play those games and he doesn't allow himself to be manipulated? :shrug:

[Cosmic Charlie]

89. they never learn. Obama doesn't play by their rules. That is why he won, and will continue to win.

[wisteria]

195. Oh, I hope you are right. n/t

[ProSense]

92. Oh, the drama!

See where these Hillary SoS rumors are heading

[Beacool]

93. Don't even need to read the 80 plus messages to know that they're pure B.S.

Same freeperish paranoia as always.

Many of you people kept saying you wanted unity, but you just can't stand it when Obama actually attempts to try some real unity and may offer a plum job to a Clinton.

I'm one who wishes she stays away from his cabinet as she has more freedom and a power base in the senate. So I couldn't care less if she doesn't become SOS, but stop with the proverbial Clinton hate, it's a damn bore by now.

:puke:

[ClarkUSA]

105. Yes, we all know how you attack any thread that doesn't revere the Clintons...

Not everyone approves of the Clintons' SOP on this issue and Bill's morally dubious post-presidential business decisions.
Stop with the axe-grinding. It's a damn bore by now.

[Beacool]

124. Not everyone approves of Obama either,

but at least we are holding judgment until he actually gets into office and starts doing the job. Unlike all the doubters here who won't even give Hillary a chance.

[Cosmic Charlie]

139. if you don't approve of Obama, then your motives are obvious

By the by,
Did you vote for Obama?

[AZBlue]

201. If you don't approve of President-Elect Obama, what the heck are you doing here?????

[EFerrari]

150. It's not paranoia if it turns out to be true and it usually does.

The Clintons do much better working at the top of their own team. I wish they'd do that.

[Uncle Joe]

103. The ironic thing was in how this particular possibility has been all over the corporate media

which doesn't fit with Obama's campaign of tight discipline and previous appointments during the transition.

I didn't know about the other appointments until after they happened, someone is talking and I suspect this would only be a precursor.

[amitta]

110. I hope he selcts her now

and then FIRES her quickly, getting her out of the senate and out of the party leadership.

[Arkansas Granny]

116. It seems that all of this information is coming from "unnamed sources".

Could it be that the media themselves are the source of all the drama and speculation? I think we would be wise to remember that the media thrives on stories of conflict. It's good for their ratings.

[ClarkUSA]

122. 95% of political news tips in the U.S. and worldwide are from unnamed sources

Remember those unnamed McCain sources who dished on Palin? How about those unnamed sources which Politico quoted
when they first broke the rumor that Rahm Emanuel was going to be Obama's CoS pick? Or how about Andrea Mitchell's
unnamed Democratic sources that revealed Hillary was "under consideration" as SoS?

You get the idea.

[Skwmom]

125. Imagine how they'll feel after a couple of years. n/t

[S_E_Fudd]

127. Not...

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/11/on_wednesday_the_call_came.php

[ClarkUSA]

145. Not what you'd like to believe, perhaps.

By the way, quoting Marc Ambinder on this is like quoting Lanny Davis.

[mollymongold]

128. since it comes from politico it must be true...

:eyes:

yeah, don't you think obamas camp would have swatted down the rumors a long time ago if this were true?????

[ClarkUSA]

143. Well, their unnamed Dem sources were right about Rahm Emanuel being picked for Chief of Staff...

But that's okay... attack the source, just like Republicans do when the news is unflattering.

[mollymongold]

156. Politico has gotten a lot of shit wrong before....usually when they report on unnamed sources..

and you're not being just like Republicans when you believe every little thing thats bad thats reported on the Clintons? right.

[ClarkUSA]

160. Like what? Give me a list of what they've gotten wrong from unnamed sources, then.

As for me, I don't go around attacking the source or calling people Obama haters everytime someone posts an OP that is
less than 100% flattering about Barack Obama. In fact, unlike perpetually whiny PUMA contingent at DU and on this thread,
I have never done so.

[mollymongold]

163. Obama's own official shot down the story of Politico saying it was 'just not true'

which was just reported on CNN. I guess you think the Obama team is lying?

[ClarkUSA]

166. Sure, sure. Name the official's name, since you're so against unnamed sources.

Also, what'd you expect them to say? "Yeah, Bill's a fucking pain in the ass."

I guess now you are claiming CNN's unnamed sources are better than Politico's?

Still waiting for that "got it wrong" list of Politico's unnamed sources.

[blogslut]

129. The Politico is not our friend

n/t

[ClarkUSA]

144. Yeah, attack the source or the OP when the news is not what you like...

Just like Republicans do.

Hate to tell you, but the media's job is not to be "our friend" (read the Constitution or look up "Fourth Estate") or look the other
way when sources say the Clintons are playing vetting games with the President-Elect Obama's transition team.

[LostinVA]

153. Agreed -- blogslut was a HUGE HRC supporter during the Primaries

WTF???

[ClarkUSA]

164. What is your point?

Aside from the snark, that is?

[LostinVA]

184. What snark???

[ClarkUSA]

190. Okay... what was your point then?

:wtf:

[wisteria]

194. True, very true. I believe they have a conservative agenda they are trying to satisfy. n/t

[ClarkUSA]

196. What "conservative agenda" was there when the same source broke the Rahm Emanuel=CoS story recently?

:shrug:

[graywarrior]

137. I was hoping for a CHANGE in Washington.

Like a CHANGE with DIFFERENT people. Like maybe no Clintons for a change. Not that I have anything against the Clintons. But they are the same old same old.

[backscatter712]

141. Obama should reject Clinton solely to show that drama-llama tactics don't work on him.

Deliberate leaks, media buzz, steamrolling and armtwisting tactics are anathema to me, and probably to the Obama Administration.

After Hillary's attempts to arm-twist her way into his cabinet, Obama should make a point to tell Clinton "YOU'RE OUT!!!" just to show that this shit will not be rewarded.

[LostinVA]

154. The MSM LOVE people like you

[ClarkUSA]

158. So now you speak for all of MSM?

:crazy:

[eleny]

142. Hey, just get Rahm to lean on .... Oh, nevermind

[Skwmom]

147. Which begs the question, who exactly is Rahm supposed to keep in line?

[windbreeze]

162. so that tells you what you have to look forward too...IF it's not to your liking

Obama....then take the offer off the table...that simple...wb

[ClarkUSA]

181. That's about it in a nutshell.

I am sure Team O is seeing what we do.

[sniffa]

167. HATER!!1!

[ClarkUSA]

171. lol

;)

[JuniperLea]

169. This has been debunked...

SNIP>

While the officials refused to say how quickly the information is being turned over, they are refuting a Politico report suggesting transition officials are exasperated by slow cooperation from the Clintons.

“That is just not true,” said one of the Obama transition officials.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/17/obama-team-vetting-bill-clinton-sources-say/

Filed under: Barack Obama • Bill Clinton

[ClarkUSA]

170. LOL! Good cop, bad cop. Well-done, Team O.

What'd you expect them to say? :shrug:

[JuniperLea]

172. Are you insinuating...

That the Obama team would... fib?

*JuniperX clutches pearls; nearly faints*

[ClarkUSA]

173. I'm saying that it appears that Team O knows how to perform a proper political brushback.

Heh

[druidity33]

182. actually

if it were true, they'd be more likely to say "no comment", or " we don't discuss picks before we've made decisions" or some other such nonsense.

If it were true, i don't think the aide would've said it's just not true.


:shrug:

[ClarkUSA]

183. LOL

Forgive me for mishmashing two different unnamed sources from two different stories about the same issue, perhaps "it's
just not true" that Team O is "expressing exasperation". Maybe they're just expressing annoyance/aggravation/uneasy
disbelief at Bill's foot dragging combined with Hillaryland's showboating. ;)

[druidity33]

187. you're right

after reading the link, the Obama "unnamed source" is clearly referring to the supposition that the Obama Admin is "exasperated" at the slow pace of vetting materials arriving, to which they replied "that's just not true".

But that question and answer could be parsed in many ways...


:)

:shrug:

[ClarkUSA]

189. heh heh

Team O cracks me up, too. ;)

[kdpeters]

176. The Clintonites don't seem to realize how they are their own worst enemies.

If they'd just stop playing political games and act like adults, Hillary would have been a no-brainer for the Democratic nominee and subsequent US President. Instead, they threw all principles out the window in a shameless eight year campaign for the 2008 presidential race that left them behind and bewildered. They're still trying to play 1992 games in 2008 and have no idea why they are hated more and more as time goes by.

Here's looking forward to the day when the both of them fade into political irrelevancy: Jan 21, 2009.

[ClarkUSA]

186. No, they don't.

I'm looking forward to that day, too. I hope Team O agrees with us.

[wisteria]

197. I will break open a bottle of great champaign that day- it can't come soon enough for me.

It is hard for me not to fall for this hype, but I really hope they have overplayed their hand and she falls flat on her face. i know it isn't nice, but the Clinton's aren't nice people anymore. She is in no way qualified for this postion-period.

[AZBlue]

202. I was just thinking the same thing. Once again, they've gotten in their own way

and only have themselves to blame.

[TwilightGardener]

180. WTF was wrong with all of the other potential SOS candidates mentioned? Did they

just intend to go about running the State Dept. with quiet competence (as Richardson, Kerry, Rice would have done)? Did that bother Obama for some reason, that we need to hear this bullshit for the next four/eight years?

[ClarkUSA]

191. That's a good question.

This "Team of Rivals" stuff is overrated, IMO. I hope Team O is reconsidering. One has to wonder what Richardson and Kerry think
about the Clintons' latest media circus act...

[D23MIURG23]

188. If the Clinton camp shoots itself in the foot...

that would be the Clinton camp's problem. In the mean time I'm going to assume that I don't know all the angles being considered, and leave the selection to Obama.

[w4rma]

192. I'm sick of Clinton DRAMA. Utterly and completely sick of it. (nt)

[TankLV]

198. Gee - what a surprise from a Clinton Hater!

not...

[A-Schwarzenegger]

200. I. M. Shocked.

This is all so unlike the Clintons.
Usually they are free of such drama, machination, and intrigue.
This cannot be true. Can it?
I'm sure Bill will take care of this the instant
he gets back from Kuwait, etc.
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