I hated Hillary in the primary

[mkultra]

and i still don't like her much. But i can identify with her policies and her political ideology just like anyone else here should. Every candidate makes mistakes, but after the primary was over it was time to start realizing that the reasons we where angry where probably more personal than political.

Hillary's post primary support for Obama was a bit less than enthusiastic, but its important to remember that she still came out and carried water for his candidacy. If the two of them really despised each other, then that must have been a real mountain for her to climb.

If they didn't, then we should seriously consider why we would. There are a few people who want to re-fight the issues. Maybe they feel that they didn't get a chance to win a given argument or that people here need some correction. In either case, its not going to help.

Hillary and Bill where huge in this party for a reason. Their contribution to this country was monumental. They balanced the budget and brought a measure of diversity to a homogeneous clog of previous administrative assholes.

Resist the desire to beat up on the Hillary supporters. Let them vent some and don't fight back. Hillary is still very important to many and i would suggest that we all wait a while before we stoke this fire again. We need unity, not to just be together, but because we need to work hard to get things back on track.

We can worry about our petty axes later.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

1. Uh huh

[WI_DEM]

2. Hillary did great during the GE campaign for Obama and I hope she will be SOS.

I was a strong Obama supporter, too, during the campaign.

[AtomicKitten]

3. Opposing her on her policy positions isn't grinding a petty axe, it's good citizenship

Her foreign policy/national security positions are :scared: and :puke:.

Apparently the only way some Clintonphytes can digest the dissent is by accusing those with a legitimate concern about her hawkish positions of hating her just cuz. It's a lame, untenable position to take.

[mkultra]

6. Its fine, but you have to do it fairly

We have to remember that its rare to have a candidate that projects or exact value system. If Obama does that for you, then you should feel like you won the lottery. But don't forget that shes NO WHERE near the republican threshold and treating her like a rethug is ridiculous.

frankly, the Iran crack was just a campaign mistake meant to counter republican perception casting. It just didn't come off well and should be considered a mistake.

I think her point was that Iran needs to think twice before it attacks Isreal. I think even Obama would counter attack Iran in this case, he just wouldn't say it the way she did.

[AtomicKitten]

12. The globe is a tinderbox and her barking hawkish rhetoric is the match.

[mkultra]

18. i seriously think your over exagerating the importance of her statements

especially in light of the rhetoric released by the moronic right.

[AtomicKitten]

23. Hardly. The U.S. is already in deep shit because of BushCo's bullyboy foreign policy.

It's dangerous.

[mkultra]

24. yeah, but since she didnt win,

It no longer matters, even if she serves in the administration.

[AtomicKitten]

25. Of course it matters. In a leadership position, it matters. n/t

[Barack_America]

4. A nice post. But I wouldn't regard conflict of interest in the SOS position as "petty".

And that seems to be what much of the discussion is centering around today.

It's true though that concerning ourselves with who leaked what and when is probably futile.

[ProSense]

5. "Resist the desire to beat up on the Hillary supporters. " What?

What does this have to do with people expressing their opinions about the rumors and her qualifications as SoS?

Is repeatedly calling others "Clinton-haters" an attempt at unity?

Let them vent some and don't fight back.

Isn't it time to move beyond venting? The primary ended in June.

[mkultra]

8. i would say that its time when its time

I am a self professed Clinton hater. I still don't like her. But all im saying is that we need to keep it in perspective.

[ProSense]

13. Sorry, if people can't deal with realities of the discussion, then

they need to take a break. No one here should be responsible for coddling anyone who refuses to get over his/her disappointment. Asking others to avoid criticizing Hillary because some can't take it is ridiculous.

[mkultra]

20. thats not why im asking

Im asking because we really need to approach the coming administration in a productive way.

The republicans are going to be looking for a chance to blame the economy on Obama and if improvements aren't made, they will have some success.

On the other hand, if there is improvement, we will continue to beat them into submission for decades to come. Thats what we should be talking about.

bitching about Hillary is not going to get you anywhere.

[ProSense]

22. You need to be reminded of the request from your OP in my original response.

That is what I responded to.

[mkultra]

26. i asked for the sake of unity which is contiguous with my last response.

im sure they "can take it". There emotional elasticity is not the reason.

[ProSense]

27. It's a strawman and ridiculous

No one is "beat(ing) up on Hillary supporters," and you have no evidence to support the claim that anyone has a desire to do so.

Conversely, there are a good number of Hillary defenders here who do nothing but launch personal attacks (not counter arguments) at any criticism of Hillary.

[mkultra]

30. you know what pro, im on yoru side

Im an Obama partisan and i don't like hillary. But even i know people slam HRC. Im not just a member of this club, i could be the president.

They are doing it. But im saying maybe we should stop for a while and give them time to vent. I firmly believe that several of them are just othersite trolls.

[S_E_Fudd]

7. I very much disliked Obama in the primary...

And still have the same concerns about him...

But I think if the general election campaign he ran, and his desire to reach out and get the best and brightest for his cabinet regardless of any past opposition to him are any indication, those concerns will soon be laid to rest...

[mkultra]

9. exactly

His term hasn't even started yet but everyone wants to rip each other to shreds over his choices. We should all just be a little more patient.

[elocs]

10. I don't waste my time hating people because it poisons me without harming them.

Simple concept.

[mkultra]

11. especially on the internet

[leftofcool]

16. Aha, yes, someone who gets it

[question everything]

14. "Hillary's post primary support for Obama was a bit less than enthusiastic??"

Can you give a single example where a former rival - who did not end up on the ticket - working so hard on behalf of the nominee?

No. Once the primaries are over, they go home and continue doing what they've done before. Only Hillary and Bill traveled the country and worked hard on behalf of the former rival.

You say that she kept the race to the end? Why not? Because you and the other Obama supporters said so? He certainly did not expect her to drop and, pretty much everyone agrees, the long battle helped Obama improve his debate skills and be ready for whatever was thrown at him.

Oh, and by the way: the primaries are over. Or are you one of those who wish they were not, or that Obama lost, so that you could continue to pour your hate at the Clintons?

Here is a suggestion: get off the computer. Read a book, or something. Find other venues for this hatred. But, please, don't kick the dog or fight with your subordinates or spouse. In this case, stay here and continue to vent.

[mkultra]

17. i could but i wont

why should i argue these petty points with you?

[Radical Activist]

15. Its not personal. Its political.

There were times during the primary that made me angry and lose a lot of respect for her as a person. But even those times reflect her approach and attitude about politics, which I disagree with.

You make a good point that Hillary and Obama probably don't despise each other personally and neither should anyone else.

[northernlights]

19. Biden was my 1st choice, but

"Hillary's post primary support for Obama was a bit less than enthusiastic,"

I have to disagree 100% with this.

Her support for him post-primary was fantastic. From the convention, when they set it up for her to hand it over, she gave what was described as the most gracious concession speech in memory (can't remember if it was Mark Shields or Pat Buchanan), to the 1st joint photo-op in Unity, NH. To the heavy campaigning she did for him up to and including election day.

I never blamed her for disappearing from sight for a few weeks after the convention. She was obviously exhausted. Her voice was seriously hoarse and almost gone at many of the late primary speeches.

[mkultra]

21. disagree with me if you like

Its not real important. No matter how you see it, i think a fair person can find appreciation in her efforts.

[Skwmom]

28. They also gave us NAFTA and deregulation which played a MAJOR role in this

economic and financial collapse (and don't forget media consolidation). Plus, she voted for the IWR and is a war hawk. Yeah, their contribution has been monumental all right.

Those are HARDLY petty axes.

[mkultra]

29. In the perspective of what weve seen

Shes may have made some mistakes, but i think we should be more forgiving of her that we are our republican adversaries.

I despised the war from the start and loved Obama for his early call. But its time we understand that not everyone can be Obama.