Stop with the Hilary hate. It's a good thing she's in the spotlight, good for Obama and good for us.

[Hellataz]

Stop with the Hilary hate. It's a good thing she's in the spotlight, good for Obama and good for us.

Why is it a bad thing that Hilary is in the spotlight? She's popular and she is only helping Obama.

• Republicans are happy with Obama for wanting Clinton as the SOS, this appeases their "he has little foreign affair experience" fear and opens them up to respect him more and maybe they will be more willing to work with him.
• This unites the democratic Base. It brings Hilary and Obama supporters together even stronger then before.
• Clinton is very popular which only boosts Obama's popularity with not just americans but all over the world. Not that he needs it, he's popualr in his own right, but can you really have too much good press?


But most importantly is the theory that we as a party not rest on our win. The GOP is gearing up to reinvent themselves. They are known for running effective campaigns and learning from past election mistakes, so in 8 years (because no way Palin is beating obama for his 2nd term), we'll need someone as popular and inspiring as Obama is succeed him in office. Hilary will be that person. By then she will have all the experience acquired from being SOS as well as her already extensive resume. She'll have Obama's support and endorsement, and if he becomes the president we all know him to be, that will mean a lot to voters.

We need to not think in terms of Hilary outshining Obama. She's not, she's just the focus on the news right now because there is not much else going on. The world's attention is on Obama's cabinet picks and she is a very popular choice, so of course she will have a lot of media attention. but what is good for her, is good for Obama and visa versa.

We need to think long term, keep 3 steps ahead of the GOP and not just enjoy this win and this soon to be prosperous presidency, but look to the future of our party and encourage the popular attention that Hilary is getting.


In that same note, we shouldn't, IMO, discourage Palin from being a media whore. She just buries herself deeper and deeper every time she talks and if the GOP really are stupid enough to think she is their future, then let them and we'll sit back and watch as she runs her own campaign in 2012, no longer bound by the McCain campaign advisors or anyone else, just her, making her own decisions and being herself, and wont that be fun to watch her go up in flames as she tries to pit her hillbilly charms against our incumbent who will no doubt have risen in popularity?

I say encourage them both, they only suit to further our parties cause.

[Diamonique]

1. There is no Hillary hate happening here.

Folks are just expressing their preference for the SoS position. If someone doesn't feel she's right for that specific position, it doesn't mean they hate her.

Sheesh!

[Metric System]

4. No, people are doing more than just expressing they don't believe she's right for the job. Posters

here are putting forth smears and insinuations.

[HughMoran]

7. Not true

There are known Hillary haters coming out of the woodwork at this time saying "I told you so" etc...

[desktop]

20. What website are you looking at?

I didn't join DU for months because of the constant vicious hatred and sexism against Hillary that I saw for months and right up to today. Take off the rose colored glasses.

[Beacool]

24. You must have missed 3/4 of the posts.

:eyes:

[yourguide]

42. expressing that

she might not be the best person for the job is not hate.

:eyes:

[MadBadger]

2. I dont really agree with your three bullet points at all

Obama has the support of the Democratic Party, so I dont think there is any need to bring the party together. I dont think picking Hillary will appease the Obama doesnt have experience Republicans at all. And I think there is a misconception among some on how popular Clinton is.

[Gullvann]

9. But, perhaps she just is the right woman for the job?

Just saying :-)

[MadBadger]

12. If not for Bill Richardson and John Kerry, maybe.

[Gullvann]

16. I agree. Particularly for Richardson...

But, I trust Obama to get these calls right.

[RC]

31. And a long list of others...

[Hellataz]

43. I don't agree

Obama has the support of most Dems, but there are some there are still reserved and still hold bad feelings over the primaries, I'm not saying he doesn't have the majority of the support, but what's wrong with shoring up 100% of the base which is what Hilary will help do.

I have seen numerous repubs come out and praise the Hilary Pick, I think many in the GOP question Obama and his judgment or experience and if he can change a handful of minds on that side of the aisle it will be easier for him to work with them.

As for the Clinton popularity, i guess it's ones opinion but from all the news I've seen and read, both her and Bill are very popular, not just here but world wide.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

3. Is it "Hillary Hate" simply because many of us don't agree with her policy positions

and dare speak out? Is it "Hillary Hate" because we believe that there are those more suited for the SoS? Or, is it "Hillary Hate" because many on DU simply cannot bear anyone criticizing the Clintons on anything, regardless of how valid those criticisms are?

Why is it that when *anyone* questions Hillary or Bill Clinton, they are immediately castigated and maligned as "haters"?

I'm trying to understand it, but this attitude about the Clintons reminds me of the right wingers who don't tolerate any dissent, questioning, or criticism. It's very scary on this forum.

We are not Republican party zombies and robots. We are the Democratic party. We don't all agree on everything!

[Hellataz]

44. You mistook my use of hate"

It wasn't meant as the kind of hate that was displayed by the McCaign campaign, it was used to describe the negativity at those here who were constantly posting negative things about Hilary and felt that we shouldn't be focusing on her because it takes away of focus from Obama. I may have used a harsher word then i should have, but my whole point was to respond to those people and say look it not that big of a deal that she's on the news more then Obama, because if you take a step back, you'll see what is really in the news is Obama's cabinet picks and Hilary is just one of many.

I agree with you that people should have the right to debate if she is right for the job, but some of the other threads which this was responding too were just negative jealousy.

[sniffa]

5. Can we continue with the imaginary hate

that some hysterical DUers document every other thread.

[TheWraith]

6. No, its not. It's bad for us and bad for Obama, because the Clinton drama soaks up all the attention

Instead of letting it be focused on the issues and what Obama is doing, which is where it needs to be. Instead we're going to be getting a will she/won't she soap opera, and if she did get appointed, a nightmarish Senate confirmation process where the Republicans are going to exploit their minor amount of airtime to turn it into a fiasco. Bosnia snipers, anyone? Bill's business deals? Bringing up all her foreign policy nonsense from the campaign?

Despite your talking points (The same ones the Republicans use to demean anyone who disagrees as "Bush haters") this would be a really bad idea.

[HughMoran]

14. I suppose if you have the attention span of a chipmunk it may seem that way

The only soap opera is on DU.

[TheWraith]

17. No, it's also splattered all over cable news, if you hadn't noticed.

It's the process story that wouldn't die. And if you think that Senate Republicans wouldn't take this as their biggest opportunity to try and completely derail Obama's entrance into office, you're hopelessly optimistic.

[HughMoran]

18. I hadn't noticed - I have better things to do than listen to the morons on MSM, as do most people

[TheWraith]

23. Now sway the hundred million people in the country who DO stay informed, and you'll have an argument

You know, the voters.

[HughMoran]

25. You're barking at the moon

Your sense of self-importance is laughable :rofl:

[Hellataz]

45. You put too much focus on her where there is not.

She is just a well known political celebrity that is being tapped for a job in the new administration, that's all. The Media attention is on Obama's cabinet picks, and hilary is just one, a very popular one, so yeah she gets more press, but still if you take a step back you'll see the bigger picture is who will fill the OBAMA administration.

[KittyWampus]

8. I am sick of the assholes on DU calling anyone who assesses Hillary negatively as haters

My assessment of both HIllary and Bill is based on a lot of things has has nothing to do with my emotional state.

[HughMoran]

21. I assess who is an ass by their assessment of assets. Overall, this assessment topic is assinine.

:rofl:

[KittyWampus]

26. DUZY!

[Dinger]

38. Seconded! (nt)

[TexasObserver]

10. Clinton is in the news because Obama put her there.

Many do not want to accept that.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

28. You do not know this for sure. Andrea Mitchell told you this, so you believe her?

Since when do DUers believe anything Andrea Mitchell says?

[musette_sf]

11. it is not "hate"

to think that Senator Clinton is the wrong choice for SOS.

i think she is the wrong choice, i do not think she has the creds to do a great job as SOS. and we need someone who can do a great job as SOS. not just a good job, an adequate job, an okay job, but a great job.

and i think she has been a good Senator, and that she would serve the people best by staying in that role.

[Hellataz]

46. No it's not hate, you can have the opinion she's not right for the job

but this thread was about the posters complaining that she's taking too much air time away from Obama and to make their points they through out a lot of negativity towards her.
But as i wrote it, i added my opinion as to why she is good for us as a party.

[peace13]

13. Huh???

Show me a Rethug that likes the Clintons. I mean a real one.

'Republicans are happy with Obama for wanting Clinton as the SOS, this appeases their "he has little foreign affair experience" fear and opens them up to respect him more and maybe they will be more willing to work with him.'

[Skwmom]

15. Do you really believe this?

• Republicans are happy with Obama for wanting Clinton as the SOS, this appeases their "he has little foreign affair experience" fear and opens them up to respect him more and maybe they will be more willing to work with him.

They can use the Clinton pick to paint Obama as a phony on the change message, to bring disenchanted Republicans back in the fold, and to divide the Democratic base. And of course, paint him as so unqualified he needs to appoint Clinton to answer the 3 am call. Of course the Neocons are thrilled.

• This unites the democratic Base. It brings Hilary and Obama supporters together even stronger then before. Are you serious? The division I'm seeing isn't only on the message boards.

• Clinton is very popular which only boosts Obama's popularity with not just americans but all over the world. Not that he needs it, he's popular in his own right, but can you really have too much good press? Obama had already won over Clinton supporters. It will only cost him support here and abroad (the Clintons are hardly viewed as honest brokers in the Middle East).

This whole thing makes no sense which is why I can't help but think this has to be the result of some deal. With such a LARGE potential for doing more harm than good, it just makes no sense.

[DJ13]

19. How does appointing Hillary, a 2 term junior Senator, former First Lady

...appease the Republicans about Obama's lack of foreign policy experience?

[Hellataz]

47. She has far more then he does and picking her to help in that area shows the GOP his good judgment

[CBGLuthier]

22. If she is so popular

as if that matters then why do so many of us find her unacceptable?

I still view her as basically a reverse carpetbagger.

[Catherine Vincent]

27. Mention the name Clinton and the haters come out of the dark. nt

[ClarkUSA]

30. Yeah, must be those gangbangers.

Heh. Meow.

[izzie]

29. I am iffy on Clinton as SOS. I am not even sure about my reason

I do not see it as a change(30 years of Bush, RR and Clinton be gone!!!) and she is good where she is. I think she should stay there. I like the ease with Obama where every thing is always a to-do with the Clinton's. Would she do a good job? I wonder if she would do as he wants? Her alone I think would but we have Bill that always goes with her. Try as you like you can not un-tie those two. Or that is how I think. My iffy thinking is do not do it, Obama. But???? Not that Clinton was not a good Pres. but I do not want a 'world' Pres. behind her.

[HeraldSquare212]

32. Yawn. And no, she will not be nominee.

There's a whole new group of potential candidates coming up; the landscape is going to be very different in eight years.

[Unbowed]

33. Not all of us agree.

Not at all. Does that make us haters? I would rather Kerry or Richardson or even one of his foreign policy advisers. After the campaign and all that sniper fire nonsense, this is almost surreal. She also criticized Obama for wanting to meet with foreign leaders without preconditions just as McCain did. What kind of message is that going to send? A mixed one at least.

[Zuiderelle]

34. The Hillary hate will never stop here. It's a DU phenomenon.

[ProSense]

35. "Why is it a bad thing that Hilary is in the spotlight? She's popular and she is only helping Obama"

Really the media rumors and so-called leaks are only helping Obama?

• Republicans are happy with Obama for wanting Clinton as the SOS, this appeases their "he has little foreign affair experience" fear and opens them up to respect him more and maybe they will be more willing to work with him.

Who cares what Repubs think? There are a number of more qualified people than Hillary.

• This unites the democratic Base. It brings Hilary and Obama supporters together even stronger then before.

Really? A lot of people don't believe she is qualified, and see this a divisive and risky appointment.

• Clinton is very popular which only boosts Obama's popularity with not just americans but all over the world. Not that he needs it, he's popualr in his own right, but can you really have too much good press?

You consider the reporting of rumor and all the stories about Clinton's business dealings "good press"?

[mwei924]

36. Hillary's fine by me. Bill is the problem.

And the Clintons are popular with Democrats who already support Obama. Not so much with Indies and Republicans (unless there's an ulterior motive involved-- i.e. Limaugh).

[kdpeters]

37. If Hillary passes the vetting, I promise I'll stop.

I'll take that as an indication that I was wrong about her and about him. Until then, I take a wait-and-see attitude.

[Cha]

39. Anyone who uses "Hillary hate" is being disingenuous..

it doesn't even get over the starting line..but by all means carry on.

[OneBlueSky]

40. it's not hate . . . it's caution . . .

some of us really don't want to see two centers of power -- the Obama faction and the Clinton faction -- develop in the Democratic Party . . .

doesn't matter if the characterization is more fact or more fantasy . . . that's how the media will be reporting it . . .

[LostinVA]

41. No, most of it is irrational hate

[tigereye]

48. I'd rather see Richardson (and I supported Hillary in the primary)

but she'd also be fine. Kerry would have been fine, too.