CNN's Dana Bash reported Lieberman will keep Homeland Security chairmanship

[flpoljunkie]

What do the Senators have to say about the fact that Lieberman held zero oversight hearings. Why would Lieberman be rewarded for not doing his job while pissing on our nominee at every opportunity?

How do you justify keeping Lieberman head of Homeland Security, Senators?

[madfloridian]

1. Did they vote or was it an executive decision?

[flpoljunkie]

19. More from Talkingpointsmemo. Dem leadership will propose Lieberman keep the chairmanship

Source: Dem Leadership Will Propose That Lieberman Keep Homeland Security Chairmanship

By Greg Sargent - November 17, 2008, 5:49PM

When Senate Dems caucus tomorrow, the Democratic leadership is likely to propose that he keep his homeland security chairmanship but lose a lesser sub-committee chairmanship instead, according to a source familiar with the situation.

If it happens that way, Senate Dems will be allowing Lieberman to keep his plum spot despite the fact that he has been a disaster at the post, and despite the fact that he endorsed efforts by the GOP to imply that Obama is in league with terrorists, suggested that Obama endangered our troops, and said Obama hasn't always put the country first.

According to the source, the Dem leadership is expected to propose instead that Lieberman be stripped of his chairmanship of the lesser Environment and Public Works subcommittee, a comparatively meaningless punitive action.

The move, which is not un-expected and was reported earlier in Roll Call, comes despite the fact that Lieberman had lost momentum in recent days, with Senators Patrick Leahy, Bernie Sanders and Byron Dorgan all expressing strong opposition to him keeping the chairmanship. Even a Lieberman ally, Senator Tom Carper, said today that Lieberman should face consequences that are not "insignificant."

It remains to be seen whether stripping Lieberman of his environmental committee role will be seen as "significant "by people who think that Lieberman's actions show him to be completely out of sync with the values and ideas of the Democratic Party on some of the most pressing issues facing us.

Many Democrats believe that effort to oust Lieberman from the Homeland Security chairmanship were dealt a death knell last week, when Barack Obama said he held "no grudges" against Lieberman. Though Obama said he wouldn't "referee" the question over the chairmanship, Obama's statement had the practical effect of allowing Lieberman's allies to claim Obama's support and giving cover to those who want to do nothing about Lieberman's transgressions.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/source_dem_caucus_wont_vote_to.php

[City Lights]

25. Thanks for the additional information.

Time for new Dem leadership!

No more kissing the ass of a traitor!

[City Lights]

What happened to tomorrow's vote?

:shrug:

This pisses me off to no end. I have absolutely no use for joe lieberman. :puke:

[flpoljunkie]

3. Bash is reporting what she has learned from speaking with Senators who will vote tomorrow.

[City Lights]

6. O.K., thanks.

Do you know if the vote will still be by secret ballot? I'd really like to know who's voting to keep joe where he is. :mad:

[KittyWampus]

17. Let's use this as a goad to CALL SENATORS AND TELL THEM NO!

[mmonk]

2. It's up to us to make changes.

The club doesn't like to bother its members.

[Dinger]

4. A Secret Vote . . Why?

Are they ashamed?

[City Lights]

14. More like scared.

They know we'll work our asses off to throw their asses out.

[AlCzervik]

5. isn't the vote tomorrow? If so i'll wait until it's done.

[tom_paine]

11. True and well said. We should wait and see. But consider this:

How often, in the last eight years, have "day before" rumors of Democratic Congressional Shameless Spineless Behaviorcome true?

Have they EVER, inthe last 8 years, NOT been true?

Because though I might be wrong on one or tewo incidents, the last eight years have gone something like this.

Democratic Congressional Leadership Talks Tough.

Rumors come out Democratic Congressional Leadership to cave on pretty much everything.

DU screams, "SAY IT AIN'T SO!"

"Day Before" rumors confirm, Democratic Congressional Leadership to cave shamefully and completely, ignoring their base as much as the Bushies do the Democratic Base.

DU screams, "SAY IT AIN'T SO!"

Vote comes, Democratic Congress caves and caspitulates in exactly the manner they were rumored to days ago. EXACTLY. Shameful, complete and total capitulation.

I mean, honestly, name me even one SINGLE TIME it didn't happen just like this in the past 8 years.

(and maybe you can do that, but I'll bet you can't find many incidents to pair with your "exception to the rule" if one even exists that doesn't have to be madly spun to apply here)

So, while I agree in principle with what you say, chmipsrsmarter, the mighty preponderance of previous data suggest why "beat the Christmas Rush" and actually WAIT for the Democratioc Congressional Leadership to behave shamefully? Once the rumors of shameful disgusting digraceful odious toadying Democratic Capitualtion starts, it is a 99% certainty that complete and total shameful DemocraticCapitulation IS WHAT WE WILL SEE!

[tom_paine]

7. If true, that is NOT a good sign.

Not the end of the world, either, but a VERY BAD sign...from Obama, from the Congressional Leadership, from everyone...

[MichiganVote]

8. This Dept. is worthless. Obama should shut it down.

[Owl]

16. I agree. Lieberman is worthless and his committee's actions have been worthless.

[leftynyc]

34. Maybe that's PE Obama's plan

Wouldn't that be rich? Take all the other committee assignments away from Joe and then abolish HS. I would enjoy that.

[Lucky 13]

9. WTF is wrong with Democrats?

Why is our elected leadership so utterly spineless as to let Joe continue to slither about unchecked? Un-fucking-believable. I am pissed.

[tom_paine]

12. Who knows and at this point who fucking cares? Fear of anthrax? Fear of Total Information

Awareness exposing their secrets?

Maybe they're just as big a bunch of assholes as the Bushies, who's job it is to "pretend" they give a fart in a windstorm about the Filthy Little Peasnats they rule (that's US).

I don't know and I simply don't care. I just know I despise them as disgraceful cowards (with a handful of notable exceptions).

This is wholly and completely unsurprising.

[Lucky 13]

33. I think I'm terminally naive.

I don't know how many horrible disappointments it will take from these assholes before I learn. Each disappointment is as painful as the last. I wish I could get to the point where you are where none of this surprises me. But I keep thinking, "THIS time will be different. THIS time they're going to do what's right. THIS time someone's going to be held accountable." Utterly stupid.

They are impotent, self-serving, crony-loving, cowards. And they are ruining what's left of our country.

[mtnester]

10. I think a DEMOCRAT should have that position

Joe Lieberman ran as a Dem in his senate primary and lost. He is now an Independent. If he continues to claim he is a Democrat, does he then deserve to lose his Senate seat, since he lost that primary AS A DEMOCRAT?

Inquiring minds.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

13. How does she know this? The vote doesn't take place until tomorrow...

[Ichingcarpenter]

20. She's married to CNN's John King and a Democrat Basher

from way back.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

22. Exactly!!

[Ichingcarpenter]

15. She has a pretty awful record on Democrats and Obama with Media Matters

CNN's Bash uncritically repeated McCain's mischaracterization of Obama's tax plan
Saturday, October 25, 2008

CNN's Bash noted that McCain will continue to claim Obama is "going to raise your taxes" -- but not that it isn't true
Thursday, October 16, 2008

CNN's Bash declared as fact McCain view that Obama "stumble" in Landstuhl decision, not noting CNN analysts' position that he was in no-win situation
Sunday, July 27, 2008

CNN's Situation Room aired McCain's ad attacking Obama, but ignored McCain's own record on issues highlighted in ad
Friday, July 18, 2008

Media report McCain "mocking" Obama for laying out Iraq, Afghanistan policy before visiting, but McCain has done the same
Thursday, July 17, 2008

CNN's Bash cited McCain's Afghanistan plan as "proof" that he knows "how to win wars"
Thursday, July 17, 2008

CNN's Bash falsely suggested Obama proposed only one joint appearance with McCain
Tuesday, June 17, 2008

CNN, First Read repeated McCain adviser's false claims about campaign manager's lobbying history
Tuesday, May 20, 2008

On Meet the Press, Russert allowed GOP strategist Murphy to falsely claim that "Rubin mischaracterized," "paraphrased" McCain
Sunday, May 18, 2008

CNN's Bash again airs clip of McCain falsely attacking Dems for health care proposals
Wednesday, April 30, 2008

CNN continues trend of uncritically airing McCain's false attacks on Dems' health care plans
Tuesday, April 29, 2008

CNN's Bash, Roberts, and Phillips ignored Hagee's comments linking Hurricane Katrina to gay pride parade
Monday, April 28, 2008

CNN, WSJ reported on McCain's Al Qaeda question without noting error
Wednesday, April 9, 2008

CNN's Situation Room misinformed on McCain's overseas trip
Friday, March 21, 2008

CNN report on McCain trip to Middle East ignored misleading claims from previous trip
Wednesday, March 12, 2008

Even after McCain retracts Iraq war statement, Blitzer calls it "straight talk"
Tuesday, February 26, 2008

CNN's Bash falsely claimed McCain filled out public financing questionnaire
Friday, February 22, 2008

Reporting McCain attack on Obama, CNN's Bash did not note McCain loan agreement using future public campaign funding as "additional collateral"
Thursday, February 21, 2008

CNN's Bash uncritically aired McCain's false attacks on Democrats on taxes and health care
Thursday, February 14, 2008

CNN's Bash noted McCain said he'd oppose his own immigration bill -- but not his remark days earlier that as president, he'd sign it into law
Thursday, January 31, 2008

CNN's Bash and Snow omitted McCain "shift" on immigration when airing McCain quote that Romney "flip-flopped"
Tuesday, January 29, 2008

Despite airing praise of Huckabee's "ability to answer the questions," CNN again didn't acknowledge he didn't answer WWJD question
Friday, November 30, 2007

CNN, Chicago Tribune uncritically reported Hastert's claim that he "tried best" to restore "civility"
Friday, November 16, 2007

Situation Room played up McCain attacks on Clinton over earmark, but didn't note his missed vote
Monday, October 29, 2007

CNN's Bash cites only opponents of Webb amendment on issue of "combat effectiveness"
Thursday, September 20, 2007

CNN failed to detail Chertoff's Katrina "problem" while discussing possible attorney general appointment
Monday, August 27, 2007

CNN ignored evidence of GOP obstructionism, allowed McConnell to attack Dems
Tuesday, July 24, 2007

Media outlets avoid reporting that Senate GOP is blocking or "filibustering" Iraq amendment
Tuesday, July 17, 2007

During Dana Bash report, CNN on-screen text labeled immigration bill "amnesty"
Friday, June 8, 2007

CNN's Bash conflated different poll questions to underestimate public support for gun control
Friday, April 20, 2007

CNN's Bash falsely suggested Giuliani's position on abortion has been consistent
Friday, April 6, 2007

Numerous media outlets ignored Grassley "aye" vote for subpoena of White House staff
Friday, March 23, 2007

Despite GOP criticism of Bush, CNN's Bash again said congressional Dems "defied" president, not vice versa
Thursday, March 22, 2007

CNN's Bash: Dems "defy the president point blank" in approving subpoenas
Wednesday, March 21, 2007

Numerous media outlets attribute "slow bleed" rhetoric to Democrats
Tuesday, February 20, 2007

CNN's Bash ignored McCain flip-flop on administration's Iraq war rhetoric
Friday, January 26, 2007

CNN's Bash claimed Dems oppose troop increases to please party's "left wing"
Friday, January 19, 2007

CNN failed to inform viewers that GOP critics of anti-terrorism bill later voted for it
Wednesday, January 10, 2007

Bash: Bush "very, very popular" in Montana

Wednesday, January 10, 2007

Bash persists with CNN's use of "surge"
Tuesday, January 9, 2007

http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/tags/dana_bash

[Pithy]

18. Here's a thought

What if Obama let Joe keep his Homeland Security chair because there are plans to change that department to make it less prominent or even abolish it entirely in favor of a different agency, designed by Obama, that actually *does things* to keep our country safe?

I'm in the total 'wait and see' mode. I still think Obama's 10 chess moves ahead of the rest of us.

[leftynyc]

35. I opined on the same thing before

reading through the thread. That would be very satistfying.

[Cha]

21. Time to take it to the People then if this is really so.

The case is strong against lieberman not to be the head of oversighting ANYTHING..much less our protection at HS.


Senator Dorgan's view..

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/16/dorgan-lieberman /

And Jason Leopold's from Consortium News..

<snip>

"Most of the attention on whether Joe Lieberman should be ousted from his Senate committee chairmanship has focused on his disloyalty to Democrats and his control of homeland security issues, but there’s also the question of how well he has handled his panel’s broad government oversight responsibilities.

In contrast to his House counterpart, Rep. Henry Waxman, who has chaired dozens of high-profile hearings on the Bush administration’s wrongdoing the past two years, Sen. Lieberman has not held a single hearing on Executive Branch malfeasance nor has he issued any subpoenas demanding information from the administration.

That means Lieberman’s Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee has passed over for hearings issues such as warrantless domestic surveillance, Iraq contracting fraud, “enhanced interrogation” of detainees, and the bungled response to Hurricane Katrina."

<more>
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2008/111308a.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4474248

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

23. Do all the senators vote on this?

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

28. Well, I wrote both of my Senators to pull him out of this chair.

[flpoljunkie]

31. The full Democratic caucus will vote.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/its_official_full_dem_caucus_w.php

It's Official: Full Dem Caucus Will Vote On Lieberman's Fate

By Greg Sargent - November 11, 2008

The full Democratic caucus will vote on whether Joe Lieberman is allowed to keep his chairmanship of the Homeland Security committee at its caucus meeting next week, a leadership aide confirms to us.

Previously, Reid's office had held this possibility out but hadn't made a final decision on whether to throw Lieberman's fate to the full Dem caucus for a vote.

[Mz Pip]

24. If this is true

it will be my first big disappointment since the election. I really was hoping the Democrats would show just a tiny bit of spine. Lieberman is a snake and his attachment to McCain during the campaign was nauseating. He is an obsequious little turd. He should not be given a pass on this.

[Owl]

27. My thoughts exactly. It's time to clean house.

[Faygo Kid]

26. Is anything at all going to happen to the SOB?

He gets away with it? What the hell????

[Skidmore]

29. I hope they got his liver with a goodly portion of fava beans on the side

before letting him keep that position.

[screembloodymurder]

30. Bad, bad, bad, bad move.

I disagree with this decision 100%.

[w4rma]

32. They couldn't make a worse mistake than this. %^$#ing corrupt idiots. (nt)

[CreekDog]

36. That'll teach him!

...something. :eyes: