I've thought about it, and I don't believe that Barack Obama would want HIllary as SOS!

[FrenchieCat]

All I remember of her Foreign policy experience is that lie about getting shot at in Bosnia on the Tarmark. This ended up making Hillary Clinton appear quite ridiculous. That story went around the world. When one couples that with Bill Clinton's "deals" all around the world, it makes absolutely no sense that Barack Obama would want to start off his cabinet picks with Hillary Clinton in that particular position. She hasn't ever negotiated a thing, in foreign relations.

So Count me in as one who believes that folks other than the Barack Team are the ones fueling these rumors.....and I don't appreciate it, at all.

[leftstreet]

1. "I remember landing under sniper fire...

There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."



:eyes:

[FrenchieCat]

2. That's why that position for her doesn't make a lick of sense!

Whatsoever.

[leftstreet]

3. Not unless the Clintons have major stock in Murdoch's FOX News!

That nutty "news" program would eat this stuff up!

[Indiana_Dem]

4. I'm with you FrenchiCat.

If Obama really wants her, then fine, I'm all for it. But I truly can't see how she is more qualified than Bill Richardson!!! I really see her as head of Health and Human Services or some other position. I also could see how many people who supported Barack because of his anti-Iraq war stance would also not like this because they chose him over Hillary because she voted for it. She also stated we would "obliterate" Iran outright! These are the things that swayed me more towards Obama in the first place.

I do think she is also good with words and could be good at negotiations with her reasoning abilities. However, Richardson has much more experience, in my opinion.

I also bet a lot of Repubs that decided to vote for Obama would be having "buyer's remorse" if Obama were to select Hillary. At least I know of a few around here in Indiana....he'll have to play it cool for the first 4 years here if he wants to be re-elected a second term. He HAS to be thinking about this.

[FrenchieCat]

6. I just don't think she's the right person for that position.....

and I don't think the Obama team does either.

Whomever is advancing this theory is going to live to regret it.

I don't think they realize who they are fucking with.

[dkf]

5. Yeah, she doesn't seem like she would be a good persuader.

Seeing how this SOS thing is playing out...wouldn't anyone facing her just get mad at this stuff?

My perception is that her method of choice is to force a person into a corner. She seemed to play this same card over the VP thing, where her leverage was the PUMA contingent. Obama didn't give in then. I guess we will see what he does now.

I've got to admit...if he thinks Hillary is a good negotiator, he must be seeing something I don't.

[FrenchieCat]

9. Not only that......

But he ain't gonna cede Foreign policy to the Clintons.
We already know how that turned out...and we are ready for a new day.

It would be a bonehead decision if Obama went with Hillary as SOS. Too much conflict of Interest.

I don't think Obama's out to lunch though....so this will play out not so good for some.

[Divernan]

16. Clintons are obviously trying to manipulate Obama into naming her.

It has never been the practise for a President Elect to "offer" a Cabinet appointment to anyone unless that person has already been adequately vetted AND the P.E. knows the job will be promptly accepted. And that is not Obama's style either - at least with all the other appointments he has made and those he is still working on.
The Clintons and their coterie have been outrageously spreading rumors. The latest party line from them and their supporters is that it doesn't matter what deals Bill has struck with what questionable corporate/foreign political forces IN THE PAST (followed a few months later by huge "donations" to Bill's foundation or library), as long as he promises not to do so in the future. Therefore, Bill shouldn't have to reveal those past dealings. My god! The Clinton hubris knows no bounds, does it?

She IS a brilliant woman, but she is not diplomatic. Secretaries of State/top foreign diplomats are not in-your-face, my way or the highway kind of people. Just look back at how HRC screwed up her health care initiative by having closed meetings at which she basically presented her plan as a fait accompli, and refused ANY input from the House or Senate Committee chairs, or their highly experienced and knowledgeable staffs.

And look how her criteria for her campaign staff was personal loyalty, and not expertise. Imagine applying that as the hiring principle at the State Department!

[Skwmom]

7. Check this out. Boy, they are pulling out all the stops.

http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081118/OPINION/811180314/1027/OPINION01

The odds are good that when President Barack Obama gets that 3 a.m. phone call, Hillary Clinton will be on the line to inform the president of the latest threat to world order.

If it is a done deal, why the HARD push?

And don't you just love the 3 a.m. dig?

[Skwmom]

8. Another dig at Richardson. They are real jerks.

But Richardson lacks the focus, discipline and gravitas to command the respect that Clinton would.

http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081118/OPINION/811180314/1027/OPINION01

[leftstreet]

12. That whole article is revolting

The only worthwhile statement is this one:

"And if it doesn't work out,... cabinet members serve at the pleasure of the president."

[Skwmom]

25. He will NOT be able to fire her.

[FrenchieCat]

11. Wow! Unbelievable.

I wasn't paying all of this stuff any mind, until I realized that it wasn't even making any sense to me. So I can imagine how it appears to Barack. They must think he's a fool or something. They are doing it again; underestimating the man. Too bad for them.

[Waiting For Everyman]

10. Judging by the smile on her face in the news clip about the Obama meeting,

she's getting something good. It's something SHE thinks is good. But it could be something else. If she does take a cabinet job, I think it will be short-term until some other opportunity opens up.

If she stays in the Senate then she believes she has a chance of replacing Reid as Majority Leader, is my guess... going back to the smile. How they could've arranged that though, I don't know.

[me b zola]

32. I had a different impression of her press conference

Her smile reminded me of her during the primaries after she knew that she had lost but continued on anyway.

As far as the Senate, there are several people in line before her for Reid's job and they will not likely move aside for her.

[lutherj]

13. Not to mention that she voted for the war, and a big part of Obama's campaign

was that he was against it from the start. Add to that her bellicose statements about Iran, her support for the Patriot Act, and Patriot Act II, and her involvement with that frickin' right wing prayer group in DC, and I'd say she's a liability.

[TexasObserver]

14. I've thought about it, and I think Obama would want her for SOS.

She's a sound choice for Obama, and the alternative for Hillary is to remain a junior senator from NY, with no real chance at power in the Senate. Hillary will do well at SOS, and will serve Obama well.

[MH1]

18. What does

"the alternative for Hillary is to remain a junior senator from NY, with no real chance at power in the Senate" have to do with her being someone Obama would want as SoS?

Seems more like a reason that a Clinton would pull out all the stops to manipulate their way into a more powerful position.

As for being a "sound choice", I see no evidence of that, compared with alternatives such as Richardson, Kerry, Holbrooke, and probably others that aren't even discussed at DU.

[TexasObserver]

24. whatever

[Skwmom]

30. With the economy tanking, it's a brilliant political move to move over to the foreign arena.

You can take credit for all of the improvement in the foreign arena, while your husband starts the whispering campaign about Obama's handling of the economy (because it is going to take awhile for things to get better).

ANYONE who thinks Bill Clinton will pass up an opportunity to settle a score (against the man that he raged about for hours on the phone) I have a bridge to nowhere to sell you. It will also help advance his goal of getting back in the Whitehouse. What a twofer that is.

[elizm]

15. I think Obama has proven that he knows what he is doing.

I will trust his good judgment.

[ErinBerin84]

17. Andrea freaking Mitchell

on Morning Joe just said that the Hillary as SOS thing as being "overwritten"...and Joe asked Andrea if Obama would want Hillary as SOS , and she used her same excuse "He wouldn't have asked to meet her in Chicago if he didn't!" Uh....ok...evidence by inference? And it doesn't sound as if much has changed according to her since two days ago. I'll probably be fine with whoever he picks, but the way the rumors are flying/leaks are happening is very peculiar to me. I hate how the media is trying to pick his cabinet appointments for him...even if he wants Hillary, they are trying to box him into the "Well, now he HAS to pick her since we've been talking about it for four days!" And it's even unfair to Hillary, because it stirs more talks of "She's not really powerful in the Senate", and what if she didn't even want it? I thought that they discussed several cabinet positions and she was surprised at the SOS prospect...I assume she would need a little time to think about it, so she might not like the pressure either. I will trust Obama's judgement with this one, but I am not believing anything until confirmation comes from him.

[davidpdx]

19. Frenchie, I agree with you

but then we are just a bunch of "Clinton bashers" right? LOL

God forbid we voice our opinions about who the SOS should be.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

20. FC - I agree with you 100%. Something stinks about this - big time. Although

not much could bring me down off my Obama won high - this takes the edge off, ever so slightly. It makes
Kerry or Richardson or Holbrook all sound like far superior choices to me.

[moriah]

21. Whoever Barack chooses will be the right person.

I was a Hillary supporter in the primaries, as you well remember, Frenchie...

I personally think Bill Richardson would be a better pick for SoS. More diplomatic experience and all.

But if he chooses Hillary, or Richardson, or someone we haven't thought of... it will be the right decision. I trusted Barack enough to vote for him, I trust him to pick out his cabinet.

[peace frog]

22. I agree, and it's disgusting

but that's the buzz generated by the DLC-backed Clintons. We might as well strap ourselves in for a bumpy 4-year ride, because they are not going away.

[Vinca]

23. My theory is Obama wants not only a team of rivals, but a team of rock stars

to get the world's attention. Hillary would create the biggest impact and already has relationships with many world leaders. Personally, I like Richardson, but since I'm not the POTUS-elect, I guess I'll let Obama choose who he feels comfortable with.

[mtnsnake]

26. How do you feel about Obama wanting Lieberman to caucus with the Democrats?

Hey, I don't think Obama wants Hillary as SOS either, and I don't think she wants the position all that bad herself. If she ends up with the position, I think it's a result of Democrats doing what they think is best for the Party, even though what they think is best for the Party is usually just another sign of caving.

[ProSense]

27. There is also Iran

She also said that as president she would "obliterate" Iran, if they ever considered launching an attack against Israel.

Iran lodged a formal protest at the UN. Mr Obama had said he would meet with Iranian leaders after intense preparatory work- it is unclear whether Ms Clinton would be best placed to do that work after her comments.

link

[bdamomma]

29. that is what bothers me.

I remember her saying that. She said something like she would have to have conditions to meet with Ahmadinejad, but then again, Ahmadinejad does not hold power like the clerics.

[ecstatic]

28. It's just so odd... her ideas on foreign policy are the main reason for her loss

Her eagerness to continue the war first policies was a turn off.

I would love for her to get another position in the cabinet--ANYTHING else would be great. I just don't get it.

[bdamomma]

31. her positions on Foreign policy should be questioned.