NEWS FLASH- The primaries and the election are over

[NJmaverick]

Obama won, by the way. What is with it with DUers fighting on behalf of or against Hillary? She is a qualified candidate and her appointment would be a good way to heal any remaining divisions in the party. That should be enough for anyone. I voted for Obama in the belief that he was a great man. A great man puts aside petty differences for the good of the Country. That is exactly what I see Obama doing, in his actions of reaching out to former opponents. I expected nothing less from Obama, who so far has lived up to my lofty expectations for him. For those that thought Obama would be a partisan tool, you are going to be very unhappy these next 8 years. For those that put the good of the nation ahead of party or ideological concerns you will be extremely happy with the direction the nation will be heading in.

So it's time for the people with their petty and small minded partisan and idealogical concerns to fade into the background. Our nation has too many problems and needs EVERYONE working together to help solve them.

[Clio the Leo]

1. Thank you and this applies to Sen. Lieberman too.....

.... Just has Sen. Reid said, "this time may prove to be worse than the Great Depression, we dont know yet, and we need to work together." (Paraphrasing)

If President Obama forgives him, that's all I kneed to know.

[jobycom]

4. No it doesn't. Clinton is a Democrat, Lieberman is not.

We are Democratic Underground, there's no reason to have a supportive stance on an independent who campaigned against our candidate.

Granted, I'd like to see more rational posts. And when posters start claiming some conspiracy or arguing that we were sold out, they've begun attacking Democrats and not Lieberman. But Lieberman himself is fair game.

[Clio the Leo]

8. Lieberman is an American ... the recession knows no party.

Or was all that stuff about no blue states, no red states just the United States a load of hoo-ha? ;)

[jobycom]

9. DU isn't non-partisan, and makes no pretense to be.

"No blue states, no red states" has nothing to do with whether individuals are right or wrong.

[mkultra]

30. you can choose to stand in the tent or outside of it

Lieberman choose the politics of division. He chooses to work against unity.

[NJmaverick]

11. I would agree

[mkultra]

17. lieberman worked for the platform of division

He actively supported the wedge issue candidate and is the antipathy of bipartisanship.

[Clio the Leo]

22. See how you're using PAST tense? ;-) NT

[mkultra]

29. sure, but we have seen no future from him

i would be suprised if he changed his tune on a dime. Im not sure i would believe him if he did.

[jobycom]

2. How many of those fighting do you believe are sincere?

Most of the hottest debates are started by plants trying to divide us.

There's good debate material on whether Clinton is qualified for the SoS job, of course, and/or the merits of her appointment, but when it gets down to "Why won't the Clintons go away?" or "Obama is allying with the old guard" or all the other nonsense, we are beneath the level of discussion DU was founded for. I'd love to see more tombstones, but I know the mods are busy enough as it is. Barring a faster pizza delivery service, I wish more DUers would see the flame trolls for what they are, regardless of their own desire to drop gloves and fight.

Just my HO. Worthless, as always.

[RaleighNCDUer]

3. Simple - people voted against her for very valid reasons.

Despite the overblown rhetoric, people did not vote against her because she was a woman, or because she was a Clinton, but because they had serious problems with many of her stances on the issues.

I would not object to her as SoS, as the SoS implements the president's policies. I would not want to see her take Health & Human Services - running the healthcare fix - because her pro-insurance industry tack is just plain wrong.

See, it's about policy. Not personality.

[jobycom]

6. It CAN be about policy instead of personality.

Your points, though wrong (in my opinion :) ) prove that. But you know how often threads here turn into grudge matches, and worse, slander-fests, against the Clintons. You know as well as I do that most of that comes from outsiders just trying to sow the seeds of division.

[NJmaverick]

13. If it's about policy what are the foriegn policies people find so objectionable?

[RaleighNCDUer]

18. I, for one, never liked her DLC war-hawk neo-lib American

economic empire policies - but as SoS she wouldn't be making the decisions. She'd have to follow Obama's lead. So if he wants her for that, I'm fine with it. She does have some skills, contacts, and good will overseas that would come very handy for SoS.

[mkultra]

19. well, i think the hard line stance against Iran

is a point that some disagree with. Not really me, per say, but i think that speaking in those terms during an election was a bad policy decision as it binds her to a position that allows little diplomacy.

[NJmaverick]

25. I suspect some of her hardline stance was election politics

the last thing she wanted was the GOP calling her soft or weak in the face of terrorism or roque nations.

[mkultra]

31. most certainly

and bad politics such as that can easily hamstring diplomacy in the future. Thus the case is easily made that her policy on this, i.e. her choice of stated stance, could be seen as a deficiency for a diplomatic role.

[KittyWampus]

5. Qualified? An objective assessment of Hillary compared to others shows her to be UNDER qualified

FUCK YOU to the DU'ers who want to reduce my stance to rehashing primary crap.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

7. Objective...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Go Hillary! GOBAMA!!!!!

:bounce:

[NJmaverick]

10. "FUCK YOU" is nether objective nor is it intelligent

Perhaps some details of your "objective" assessment showing her to be "under qualified" would be a bit more effective (and showing a higher level of thoughtfulness).

[jobycom]

12. An "objective" analysis of Obama would show him to be less qualified

than at least four others running for the nomination. Hell, he was less "objectively" qualified than McCain. Yet a majority thought he was the best candidate for the job.

So if he decides Clinton is the best candidate for the job despite there being more qualified people, are you going to accept that?

[NJmaverick]

14. You are mistaking experienced for qualifed

experience is a subset of qualified. In fact experience is but a small subset of the elements that make up the qualifications to be President.

[jobycom]

21. I was saying what you just said. Clinton's qualifications, like Obama's,

are not necessarily quantifiable. That doesn't make her under qualified, as the post I was responding to claimed.

[Splinter Cell]

15. Just stop

Stop scolding people for having healthy debate about this. It's not going to hurt the party, cause we don't really have any effect on it anyway.

I think I'll vomit if I have to see one more post about the primary being over and yadda yadda yadda. Let people argue if they want. Since the election is over it won't hurt to voice contrasting views.

[NJmaverick]

16. I would question your definition of "healthy debate"

In fact I would question the substance of your post. Perhaps vomitting would be a better alternative that this silly lecture.

[ddeclue]

20. Don't agree and no the election isn't even over in AK, MN, or GA.nt

[NJmaverick]

26. Well the presidential election has been decided

those are all Senate races

[ddeclue]

27. Yes but I still don't agree that we should just "forgive and forget"

Lieberman or that we should compromise to Hillary and the DLC'ers. This election was about change, to do what you ask is to sell out Obama's mandate of change. The choice was change vs. experience and CHANGE won.

"Politics ain't beanbag"

[Alexander]

23. Some people still can't get over the fact that Hillary lost and Obama won.

They seem to think that she has earned or can leverage her way into the State Department.

[NJmaverick]

24. I don't know about that

although I think Obama has earned the right to select his cabinet in the manner he thinks is best.

[Alexander]

28. You don't see threads promoting Kerry or Richardson for SOS everywhere...

I think the MSM, along with some DUers, would love to see the Clinton drama all over again in a new Obama administration.

I myself would not.

[Waiting For Everyman]

32. Hey, Obama's the one who has to work with her (or whoever else).

I assume he'd only pick someone qualified (as opposed to a Palin for instance, which would be equally offensive to me if he chose someone similarly incompetent). If any in his cabinet give him grief or don't work out, they serve at his pleasure and he can send them packing! The buck stops with him, whoever assists him, and that's his call.

I'm not at all anxious about his picks. I assume he'll have tactical or strategic reasons for all of them, which I don't expect to always hear the logic of. So he's driving. That's fine with me.

Congress on the other hand, had better get its act together and DO something for US. We waited this long while millions of people went over the cliff, so as not to risk this election. It had better not be more of the same stalling, excuses, and ineffectiveness come January.