Do you want Obama & the Dems to seek payback or help this country realize its promise

[wndycty]

I'm as partisan as anybody on the DU and I love kicking the GOP's ass up and down the field, taking Lieberman to the woodshed, et al. but I love my country and I want Obama and the Democrats to go down in history as bringing this country together and moving it forward.

What do you want from Obama and the Democrats?

[msongs]

1. false choice - it is not either/or, for us/against, myway/highway nt

[wndycty]

2. Its my poll I offer the choices

:kick:

[ashling]

12. You and Zogby ?

just kidding.
:rofl:

[Lucky 13]

15. So if I disagree with you about Lieberman, I am not interested in the good of the nation.

Got it.

[annabanana]

20. nailed it, Lucky. . . false choices....n/t

[HereSince1628]

19. It's your poll and you can cry if you want to, sigh if you want to

cry if you want to...

You would cry too if our polls tried to shoe-horn your views.

[mirrera]

3. Holding governmental criminals accountable would be moving the country forward...

If George Bush Senior had been held accountable, his no good son would have had less of a leg up. If Reagan had been held accountable, we wouldn't have to listen to him being treated like a saint by Republicans and Democrats alike. If Lieberman were held accountable for being a Republican, he wouldn't be chairman of a committee when we have a Democratic majority. If John McCain were held accountable for running a despicable campaign we wouldn't have to choke while Democrats call him noble. If the Bush administration were held accountable we would see some of these 50 year veterans of covert government crime in jail at last.

Change we can believe in.

[niceypoo]

4. No 'Both' choice?

I am flabbergasted.

[rurallib]

5. And you think keeping Joe the turncoat around will move the country forward?

Pray tell please explain how keeping Joe does that? I believe it has the opposite effect. Joe will act as a heavy anchor in many aspects and will drag others with him since there are NOOOOO consequences.

[MadBadger]

6. I'll choose Payback for your push poll

[wndycty]

8. Push poll? LOL

:kick:

[Critters2]

17. Yes, a push poll. For proof, see post # 2.

You don't want opinions. You want to make a point. A false point. Thus, a push poll.

[Neshanic]

16. Do you want harmony and love within the Democratic party or...

retribution with the Biblical porportions and the tearing the Democratic Party apart? Oh and plagues of locusts and anyone who questions another Democrat is McCarthied as a troll, concern freak, and not supporting our new President.

I think that's the poll you were looking for.

[Neshanic]

7. Now about a token gesture that actually makes it seem we will punish

certain indivduals that continually stab us in the back?

That's all. Maybe just that would make others think twice.

[Deja Q]

9. Moving it forward.

I'm an independent, am capable of seeing many sides to an issue; almost a diplomat if I really wanted to be. And I do have lines I won't cross and recommend others not cross as well.

Let's move forward. Indeed, Hillary - like Lieberman - was said to support McCain over Obama and he has chosen, because of her experience, as being secretary of state.

He's keeping his promises and not holding grudges.

And Lieberman may or may not be a sleaze, but he had his reasons too and none of us really knows if he changed his party and recommendations out of self-important opportunity or genuine concern. I don't know all the facts and I couldn't care less about knee-jerk reactions, fun as they can be at times...

[Lucky 13]

10. You choices are f-ed up. I choose PAYBACK. In this case, it IS for the good of the nation.

Lieberman is a boil on the ass of this country. He shouldn't be in charge of ANYTHING. He's a lying, backstabbing, slithering, nasty creature. I want him gone.

Hopefully the people of Connecticut will choose to rectify the situation the Democratic leadership is too impotent to fix.

[jillan]

11. It's hard, because it's not just that Lieberman campaigned for Mc - it's what he said.

He trashed Obama out there.

While I'm all for putting the pettiness behind, it was the namecalling that Lieberman used that I will never forgive or forget.

You got to hand it to Obama for being such a grownup.

[Critters2]

13. Ooh, look! A push poll! It's like Frank Luntz has stopped by to visit DU.

So, I won't participate.

What I want is for actions to have consequences. For my beagle, for the kids in my youth group, and for Senators. I think that's reasonable.

[annabanana]

21. I KNOW!. . . At first I thought it was some politico.com hack. . . .n/t

[codjh9]

14. I'm with some others here - BOTH!

[annabanana]

18. for National Security reasons, "payback".. .

We DO NOT need a neocon at the head of the Homeland Security Committee

[DevonRex]

22. It is not payback. And it's not about Obama. It's about getting an untrustworthy

slimey scumbucket out of our party. He'll run back to certain republicans and report on everything the dems want to do.

[maxsolomon]

23. i want BOTH

and i don't see why i can't have it. i'm AMURKIN, after all.

[whosinpower]

24. One cannot happen without the other

They are entrenched together. Payback is necessary in order to move the country forward. To do this without justice mocks the very existance of the constitution and everything that America is built upon.

A prime example is the financial crisis. To throw more money at the banksters and fraudulent practices that they enabled DOES NOT FIX THE CORE ISSUE. The havenot portion of society end up with even less, and the havemores got a getoutofjail free card. It is wrong, immoral, unethical and rotten to the core.

Perhaps payback is the wrong term. A dramatic course correction may be more in line. However, there are those who pushed for deregulation as an ideological dream. Those individuals must be ridiculed, and put in place. Such a dream is folly for the vast majority of citizens worldwide. It undermines precisely what government is for in the first place.

Another example is the Iraq War. It is not enough to end it. War profiteers, and corrupt individuals who whored for war, and ended up getting it should be prosecuted to the furthest extent the international laws will allow. It was, and is illegal. Is that payback? Or is that a dramatic course correction. You decide. GOPer's will suggest it is a partisan payback. I would counter that with it being simply justice prevailing.

[Sebastian Doyle]

25. There's no way to move forward unless the criminals who broke this country pay for it.

We must destroy the Bush Crime Family once and for all, and we have to break up the climate where corporate crime is accepted. Or else it will happen again. And for those of you who have been paying attention, it gets worse every time those bastards get back into office.

[Ichingcarpenter]

26. Push Poll ... and you know it

and if you don't know it then you need an education on false analogies applying to inductive arguments

[Hawkowl]

27. Shit poll

Two dimensional false dichotomy. Do you prefer rainbows or shit sandwiches. Geeezzz.

[Bluenorthwest]

28. What a crappy frame

Do you agree with me or are you a horrid person?
Unworthy of an answer, simplistic, pointless.

[yourguide]

29. I want both.

I want Lieberman's ass taken to the woodshed and I want the DEMS to bring the country together.

[walldude]

30. I hate to tell you but they aren't mutually exclusive.

Getting payback and turning this country around are basically the same thing. People who don't want payback are telling the people who committed horrible atrocities in our names to do it again whenever they feel like it.

[Autumn]

31. I don't think you can have

one without the other.