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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 01:03 PM
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Lieberman "correctly made a bet about the fortitude of his Democratic colleagues"
There will no doubt be plenty of discussion about how and why Lieberman got away with his offensive conduct with nothing more than a slap on the wrist, but I think there are a couple of points to keep in mind.

First, in retrospect, as soon as the option of kicking Lieberman out of the Democratic caucus was taken off the table, the center of gravity shifted. Initially, taking away Lieberman's committee chairmanship was the compromise/middle-ground between two extremes (giving him the boot and doing nothing). Once Democrats agreed that they preferred to keep Lieberman in the caucus, all of a sudden, stripping him of his gavel became the new extreme position, and the EPW subcommittee became the new "compromise." The shift obviously benefited Lieberman.

Second, let's pause to appreciate just how smart Lieberman is. In this case, I don't mean that as a compliment. It was inconceivable that if Obama won in a veritable landslide, while the Senate Democratic caucus grew by (at least) six seats, that Lieberman would not only get off scot-free, but would also be in a position to dictate to Democrats, without any leverage at all, which outcomes he found "unacceptable." If someone had predicted this scenario to me a month ago, I could have found it ridiculous. And yet, here we are.

Josh Marshall had a post back in June explaining, even before some of Lieberman's most outrageous conduct, that Lieberman was burning bridges that couldn't be rebuilt. "My assumption is that after the November election, regardless of the outcome of the presidential campaign, Joe will be stripped of his chairmanship," Josh said. I agreed wholeheartedly at the time. It was a no-brainer.

Except, it wasn't. Lieberman knows Senate Democrats better than Democratic voters do. My friend Matt told me via email yesterday, "If Lieberman ends up keeping his gavel on Homeland Security, I think we need to stop for a moment and recognize him as the smartest politician in Washington. He will have correctly made a bet about the fortitude of his Democratic colleagues in the Senate and he will have been right, against all apparent odds."

This is a decision, I suspect, that the caucus will regret in the not-too-distant future. It's predicated on the assumption that Lieberman really is a Democrat at heart.

He's not.

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Yeah, we'll accept their regret.



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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 01:06 PM
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1. Good post.
Edited on Tue Nov-18-08 01:07 PM by kath
It seems inconceivable (as it had for months) that he would be allowed to get away with such treachery.
And yet he has.

DISGUSTING to the nth degree.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 01:13 PM
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2. Doesn't really surprise me.
After all, they tacitly supported him
EVEN AFTER CONNECTICUT dems gave him
the boot.
I know I'm not supposed to say this, but
it MUST be the AIPAC money.

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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 01:13 PM
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3. They'll probably regret it...
...as soon as lieberman gets on the first plane available to go to Georgia to campaign for chambliss.

joe is in it for JOE & joe alone!
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 01:13 PM
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4. Fuck Reid and the spineless Dems. I'm all done donating, knocking on doors, having parties etc
when they just don't give a shit about the people who work so hard to elect them. I'm so mad right now I could scream.

The Dems just lost one hell of a supporter for good. I'll support President Obama but no more for DSCC or the other turncoats. If Obama turns out to be just like Reid, then I'm becoming an Independent and will work hard for a 3rd viable party.

FUCK THEM ALL!
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 01:14 PM
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5. We blink first alot.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 01:16 PM
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6. TEH STOOOPID!
It burns.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 01:41 PM
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7. On "fortitude" of Democrats: The GOP has made that bet for years (nt)
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 01:42 PM
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8. Is Joe Lieberman our prodigal son or are we his?
My, oh my. What a revelatory moment!

Bookmarked.
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 01:44 PM
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9. This shows why the idea of a 60 member "filibuster-proof" majority was a fantasy.
If we had 99 seats in the Senate, it wouldn't be filibuster-proof.
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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 01:48 PM
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10. this makes my blood boil!! Lie-bore-man is a PARIAH and should banished from the party.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 02:03 PM
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11. Please don't give Joe-the-traitor any credit for figuring out the Dem's would chicken out.
Edited on Tue Nov-18-08 02:03 PM by rhett o rick
Also the Dem's don't need Joe-the-traitor for a filibuster proof Senate. There are a number of DINO's that always support the repukes.
Obama and the Dem's only have let you down if you actually thought we were getting change.

this isn't the change we wanted.

Congress is now a joke. They have long ago yielded their power to the Executive Branch. Not what our founding father's had in mind.
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