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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 02:48 PM
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Robert Parry: Obama Risks Clinton-Era Mistakes
(Robert Parry allows unlimited use of his articles at Consortiumnews.)


Obama Risks Clinton-Era Mistakes

By Robert Parry
November 17, 2008


After a masterful campaign, Barack Obama seems headed toward some fateful mistakes as he assembles his administration by heeding the advice of Washington’s Democratic insider community, a collective group that represents little “change you can believe in.”

Some of President-elect Obama’s emerging miscues also parallel misjudgments that Bill Clinton made 16 years ago when his administration got off to a stumbling start because he sometimes placed politics and diversity over appointing the best qualified people.
According to widespread press reports, Obama is on the verge of naming Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State (although foreign policy is not her strong suit) and keeping on Republican Defense Secretary Robert Gates (as a gesture of bipartisan continuity).

Though Washington’s insider community is applauding, the personnel moves represent strange choices at a moment when Obama may have his best shot at taking decisive action to move the country in a new direction.

Regarding Secretary of State, Obama has two strong alternate choices – Sen. John Kerry and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson – who are both deeply knowledgeable about the intricacies of foreign policy. They also don’t carry Sen. Clinton’s baggage of former President Clinton’s financial conflicts of interest strewn around the world.
Plus, Kerry and Richardson have been more in line with Obama on withdrawing U.S. forces from Iraq than Sen. Clinton, who supported George W. Bush’s war and occupation almost until the eve of the Democratic primary campaign.

If Obama wants to give Sen. Clinton a high-profile Cabinet post, there are other options, too. She would be a much better fit for Secretary of Homeland Security, since she was a senator from New York at the time of 9/11 and is well versed in what must be done to protect the nation from another terrorist attack.
A major success of the Clinton years also was a well-run Federal Emergency Management Agency, which is now part of Homeland Security. FEMA is in desperate need of another overhaul after eight years of Bush administration incompetence – and the Clinton team has demonstrated that it knows how to do that.

Obama could achieve the bipartisan continuity that he desires by keeping on current Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff for a transition period, a move that makes more sense than leaving Gates at the Pentagon.
Having an extended transition at Homeland Security might give the nation an added measure of protection, since the biggest national security threat during Obama’s first months may be another terrorist attack. There has been a pattern of terrorists exploiting government handovers, in 1993 with the first Twin Towers bombing and in 2001 with 9/11.

.....

As for Kerry and Richardson, both have strong foreign-policy credentials.

Kerry has been steeped in key foreign policy issues since his days as a young Navy officer in Vietnam who returned from the war to lead a veterans group seeking peace. He also took the lead in investigating illegal foreign operations by the Reagan administration and has been an articulate voice on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Richardson, the nation’s most prominent Hispanic politician, served on the House Intelligence Committee and was not only Energy Secretary under President Clinton but handled complex negotiations with hostile nations, such as North Korea, in line with Obama’s determination to talk with enemies.
A Kerry/Richardson tandem at State – with one as Secretary and the other as a powerful Under Secretary – could let the Obama administration hit the ground running on transforming U.S. foreign policy while Obama focuses on the economic crisis.

Obama could show, too, that he values loyalty. Kerry, the Democratic standard-bearer in 2004, was an early Obama supporter. Richardson, after dropping out of the 2008 race, absorbed personal attacks from the Clinton camp (called a “Judas” by James Carville) for endorsing Obama.

Hillary Clinton would face a steep learning curve at State. She also would be tempted to hire a cadre of Clinton loyalists and thus establish a competing center of power versus Vice President-elect Joe Biden, who is the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and is expected to want a piece of the foreign-policy portfolio.

The retention of Defense Secretary Gates represents another example of advice derived from Washington’s clubby conventional wisdom.
The boyish-looking Gates is a favorite of accommodating Democrats, such as former Rep. Lee Hamilton and former Sen. David Boren. But Gates has a long record of both loyalty to the Bush Family and opportunism putting his career ahead of what’s best for the country.

Over the past two years, Gates has been a key implementer of President Bush’s Iraq War “surge” – after Gates replaced Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who had opposed the escalation. Gates, whose career has often reflected neoconservative positions, also has decried Obama’s plan for a phased withdrawal of U.S. troops.
So it makes little sense to think that Gates will be particularly helpful in reversing policies that he helped put into place. More likely, Gates, who is known for effectively playing the news media, would be a stay-behind Republican eager to undercut Obama’s Iraq War troop draw-down.
If anything went wrong, Gates could leak to the press how Obama messed up gains achieved by President Bush.

At the Pentagon, Obama also has better options than Gates. If Obama wants bipartisanship, he could offer the job to Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel, who joined Obama in criticizing Bush’s conduct of the war and went on an important fact-finding trip with Obama to the Middle East in summer 2008.
Hagel showed political courage, too, in working with Democrats on legislation seeking a phased withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, angering his GOP Senate colleagues as well as a sitting Republican President.

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Another problem with the Hillary-for-State/Gates-for-Defense concept is that it is reminiscent of a major weakness of the Clinton administration, a combination of listening to the tired old Democratic insiders and making too-clever-by-half calculations.
After defeating George H.W. Bush in 1992, Bill Clinton was persuaded by the don’t-rock-the-boat Democrats (the likes of Lee Hamilton and David Boren) not to press ahead with investigations into Reagan-Bush-era wrongdoing.

Sweeping the Iran-Contra/Iraqgate crimes under the rug was considered a Democratic gesture of bipartisanship, but it allowed Republicans to write a favorable history of those 12 years and lay the groundwork for a swift GOP comeback in 1994 -- and the tainted victory of George W. Bush in 2000.

Bill Clinton’s insistence on appointing the first woman Attorney General led him to another series of missteps. His first choices were disqualified by controversies over household help, leading Clinton to settle on Janet Reno, arguably one of his worst Cabinet picks.
Over the next eight years, Reno failed to defend the administration against a series of politically motivated Republican investigations that hobbled Clinton’s presidency and further paved the way for the GOP comeback.

Despite that troubling history, Obama has surrounded himself with former Clinton insiders, including Clinton’s former chief of staff John Podesta heading up the transition team and former Clinton aide Rahm Emanuel as the new White House chief of staff.
So not surprisingly, Obama is hearing advice about the political benefits of giving Hillary Clinton the Cabinet’s most prestigious job, Secretary of State, and acquiescing to the advice of Democratic old hands in Washington about keeping on one of their favorite Republicans at Defense, Robert Gates.

Many of these same Democrats are repeating the advice, too, about avoiding battles over accountability – this time, for the crimes of George W. Bush’s presidency.

This mix of political over-thinking and disregard for truth suggests that Obama might end up opting less for real change than for more of the same – from the Clinton years.




We will never truly free ourselves for a new direction unless we examine and learn from mistakes of the past. This is my deepest concern about this swirl of transition. We have seen what sweeping the truth under the rug has created. We cannot rebuild our country on a still-tainted, smelly and wholly unexamined foundation. The world is watching, hoping and praying, Mr. President-Elect, for the restoration of truth, justice and accountability.



Democrats, the Truth Still Matters!, May 11, 2006, by Robert Parry




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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 02:51 PM
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1. Robert Parry VS Barack Obama
Edited on Tue Nov-18-08 02:55 PM by nomad1776
hmmm.... Which one is smarter? Which one is a transformational leader and which is a petty partisan hack? I think I will go with Barack Obama's intelligence and judgment.
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 02:59 PM
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12. You don't know Robert Parry,
do you? If you did, you wouldn't be making such an idiot of yourself in a public forum.

I'll certainly take the word of a time-tried, trustworthy reporter over political haggling and quid pro quo any day.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 03:08 PM
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17. Why is it the least intelligent of posters use the line
Edited on Tue Nov-18-08 03:10 PM by nomad1776
"you wouldn't be making such an idiot of yourself in a public forum"? It's funny how the freedom of the internet has given rise to undeserving over inflated egos.

Still it's laughable to suggest that a man that has spent his life writing about the exploits of great men and women, would some how be in posession of superior intelligence or wisdom from someone who has demonstrated great intelligence, wisdom and judgment.
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 03:12 PM
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19. The difference is
Robert Parry has proven to be independent and trustworthy in his reporting. No politician is independent, ever. Certainly not Obama at this time. That's why we need reporters with integrity to watch politicians. But dream on about change to be brought about by the old guard.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 03:16 PM
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21. Those that can't do, write
It's easy to stand on the side lines and second guess those in charge. You don't have to produce anything so there is no way to measure one's judgment or ability. It's much more difficult to actually produce real results. In this case I will differ to the man who's intelligence, ability and motives I have found to be extraordinary.


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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 06:15 PM
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44. "Transformational"...."produce real results"....
That verdict is still out.
Obama has proven he is a savvy and smooth campaigner, and that he can garner donations by promising "Change".

He hasn't transformed anything yet.
The only two chances he had this year, he voted for Status Quo (Telecom immunity and Bailout).

After looking at the Economic Transition Team and his early appointments, I'm still waiting for "Change", or at least a few fresh faces.

We WILL see.



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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:22 AM
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54. Protip
Edited on Thu Nov-20-08 10:24 AM by sudopod
marekjed = Robert Parry

LOL

(just kidding. :P )
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 03:27 PM
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23. Regardless of Obama's wisdom, the massiveness of modern Gov means the "Advisers" tend to shape
Edited on Tue Nov-18-08 03:29 PM by Sensitivity
information getting to a President and the final decisions.

To believe otherwise is to participate in what Ellul presciently called "The Political Illusion."

The fact that 3/4 of the transition team is former Clinton folks tell an important tale about the future.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 04:08 PM
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28. Ellul the French philosopher. I am reminded of the classic bit
from Mel Brooks History of the World movie. He played an ancient Roman going to the unemployment line. He listed his occupation as philosopher, and the woman behind the counter said, "oh a bullshit artist".

Sorry but you are sorely mistaken if you think that the people Obama has selected have somehow isolated him and are now calling the shots. First off it's way too early for such a thing to happen and secondly Obama is an intellectually curious man that has already demonstrated a practice of getting all sides of an issue before making decisions. Such a man is not easily manipulated by others, even his advisers.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 04:33 PM
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34. Parry helped UNCOVER many of the IranContra crimes - you think that didn't HELP you as a citizen in
Edited on Tue Nov-18-08 04:34 PM by blm
any significant way?

GHWBush personally got Parry fired by calling his publisher and complaining about Parry targeting him zealously.

You want to think what this nation would have looked like had Parry, and the few Dem lawmakers who pushed these matters into the public arena, NOT done the hard part and tracked down the crimes of Reagan and Bush administrations?

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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 03:59 PM
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26. Thank you for that .....Parry is BRILLIANT n/t
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 04:39 PM
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36. "petty partisan hack"?
Exactly which party do you think Robert Parry has been a "hack" for?
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 06:22 PM
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46. Barack has more respect for contrary opinions than many "Brilliant" posters here
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 08:15 PM
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48. Agreed. Doesn't address my original question, though.
Then again, the poster who addressed Robert Parry as a "partisan hack" seems to have logged off.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 06:22 PM
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47. Barack has more respect for contrary opinions than many "Brilliant" posters here
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 02:52 PM
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2. Richardson or Kerry would be best bets
Hill can do better in the Senate for her constituents. She could then run for prez in 2016. It's nice to see some sanity instead of the Hillary flame bait threads earlier today.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 02:53 PM
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Obama genius?
He is an indubitable political genius. Whether he has the genius to govern, we HOPE so. If he doesn't shake up the status quo a bit he is going to have a hard go. Clinton policies and tactics aren't going to work with two wars and the Great Depression II looming as almost inevitable.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 02:54 PM
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4. Right, we have only seen Clinton's policies bring peace and prosperity
so they couldn't possibly work now! :eyes:
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 02:58 PM
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9. You don't get it
Just because you used a hammer to drive a nail in 20 years ago doesn't mean you use a hammer to do open heart surgery. The economic crisis is beyond severe. Even numbnuts like Greenspan say this is a once in a 100 year event. To compound that we are LOSING in Afghanistan, have an unprecedented hostile occupation of Iraq, and are rapidly losing our ability to conduct budgetary policy while the Fed has already lost it's ability to conduct MONETARY policy.

Is any of this sinking in?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 03:01 PM
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13. Your assumption is faulty
you assume that the Clinton policies would not be adjusted for changing conditions. That is a poor assumption and one not grounded in fact. What we have seen is that the Clinton policies were succussful in the past. As such there is no reason to doubt that the creators of those policies would not be successful now. In fact I would think the opposite would be much closer to the truth.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 03:43 PM
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25. I disagree that Clinton's policies were that good.
It brought us NAFTA and the repeal of the safeguards in place since the depression to avoid the mess we are now in. It brought us DOMA, it brought us "welfare reform".I am hoping for some bold ideas to change the direction this country is going at this time.
I am bound to be disappointed but I am hoping.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 04:12 PM
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30. Clinton's policies brought us 8 years of peace and prosperity
can't ask for more than that.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 04:43 PM
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37. Why yes I can actually. nt
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 04:44 PM
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38. That peace and prosperity was EASILY overturned within a year by Bush, who never should've been
Edited on Tue Nov-18-08 04:46 PM by blm
ABLE to run for dogcatcher let alone become President.

Think how different things would be in the world if Clinton sided with Kerry and the Democrats who wanted IranContra and BCCI and CIA drugrunning matters fully scrutinized and revealed. No Bush2. No 9-11. No invasion of Iraq.

Instead, Bill Clinton sided with the secrecy and privilege of Poppy Bush and his powerful cronies.....

....not you, me, or the right of every citizen to open and accountable government.

Bill's foolish decision proved to come with greater cost and consequence to this nation and the world than the temporary economic improvement of the 90s that would have been made PERMANENT had Bill chosen the correct path.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 01:35 AM
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49. Nope.
Repealing the Glass-Steagal Act can be labeled a proximate cause to the current crisis. Clinton continued, in large part, the rethuglican philosophy of free trade and deregulation. These policies will simply throw gasoline on the conflagration of the world's economy. My assumptions are fine. It's your pollyanna conclusions that are wrong.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 02:58 PM
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11. Amen to that
Parry has always had a bug up his ass for the Clintons, so no one should be surprised at him ranting about anything Obama might do that involves any of the Clintons.
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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 04:45 PM
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39. Clinton's policies also include those which helped create some of the crises we're in
Edited on Tue Nov-18-08 04:46 PM by Oak2004
Don't kid yourself: no one is immune from mistakes.

Mind you I'm not all that unhappy as many here are at most of the decisions made so far. Some nag at me, most seem quite reasonable. But I know it is very important that people who do see problems speak up about those problems, organize around them if they see reason to, and do whatever else (within reason) that it takes to have their objections heard. You can be sure that interested Washington insiders have been making sure their opinions have been heard by the President-elect, and that they have not been shy in doing so.

That's how democracy works. It's not supposed to work through blind trust in elected leaders.

And while there's always a fair bit of complaining that's not based in fact (an obvious example being that preacher complaining that President-elect Obama is a Muslim), there are also many examples where the opinion of ordinary people was right and that of the leaders wrong (an obvious example being the Iraq war).

Anyone who thought the job was done on November 4th was deluding themselves. The work of democracy is never done.

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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 02:53 PM
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3. Obama might as well resign now before he's sworn in. It's over.
We're doomed.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 02:55 PM
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6. lol! nt
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 04:25 PM
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32. DOOMED?!? AGAIN?!?
I can't believe we're doomed again! We were doomed just 2 weeks ago!
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 02:54 PM
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5. That should settle everything, since Robert Parry knows so much more than Obama (snicker)
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 02:58 PM
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10. I only click on this kind of thread to leave
Edited on Tue Nov-18-08 02:59 PM by Jim4Wes
smart ass remarks.
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 03:08 PM
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16. It's not what Obama knows
or doesn't know - it's what he does or what he is made to do to satisfy the DLC and the "centrists" (what an euphemism for right-wingers) in the party.

If you want change, you need people who are interested in making change happen, rather than in maintaining the status quo.

And about RObert Parry... you could be surprised. I wonder what other reporters and writers, long held as heroes, DU is now going to spit on. Who else? Amy Goodman? Naomi Klein? Jeremy Scahill? Glenn Greenwald? If you're paying attention, you know they are watching the emerging nominations and not liking them much. It won't be long before DU decides Howard Zinn is a know-nothing party hack.

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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 03:09 PM
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18. Yet few Americans think journalist make the best leaders
I wonder why that is
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 04:08 PM
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27. Because if you tell the truth
the corporatists will do away with you.

Ask Eliot Spitzer
Ask John Edwards
As Dennis Kucinich

Anyone who speaks the truth will be so marginalized that Americans won't "want them" for leaders.

So, the leaders end up being people who are willing to pull the wool over your eyes.

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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 04:09 PM
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29. More like those that can't do, write
Edited on Tue Nov-18-08 04:11 PM by nomad1776
Writing is easy, you don't have to produce (other than words), so there are no results to be judged by.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 02:56 PM
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7. If change doesn' t happen now, it won't happen later on.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 02:56 PM
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8. A fair warning.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 04:29 PM
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33. Very fair. Yesterday on Amy's show, someone pointed out that 3
Clinton appointees in the intelligence community didn't even make it until the end of the term. This was in a discussion about the two leading Obama's intelligence transition team, one a Tenet slam dunker and another, a torture supporter.

Maybe DC is just such a filthy sewer that it's hard to find clean help.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 03:01 PM
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14. Time will tell, not Parry.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 04:39 PM
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35. Parry's analysis SHOULD be given heed. His articles made a huge difference to
how many Democrats came around to view Clintons as part of the reason why CHANGE was necessary for Democrats.

Time has almost always proven Parry right.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 03:03 PM
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15. Not.
Clinton brought in a lot of inexperienced people into his White House out of necessity. It was either that or deal with Repukes. Now Obama is bringing back a lot of people who already got the hang of it while Clinton was in office, so that already puts him way ahead of Clinton.

Also, Obama sets defense policy, not Gates. If Gates can't roll it out then I would assume he would resign on his own or Obama would shitcan him.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 03:14 PM
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20. I don't see Obama picking many Mack McLarty types so far..that was Clinton's mistake
Too many inexperienced people in the beginning. Obama is picking experience over IOUS. So what is the problem?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 12:09 PM
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52. Name the actual 'experience' part. HRC never led on ONE foreign policy issue as senator and sided
with Bush and her husband on Bush's decisions regarding terrorism and Iraq war.

Until Joe Lieberman lost his primary race in 2006, then both Clintons shifted their rhetoric a bit leftward.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 03:19 PM
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22. We've seen this movie before
With 31 Clinton advisors on the transition team I also don't see much change in Changing Washington.

I don't want the past 8 years swept under the Oval Office rug. I want the criminals charged for their misconduct.

Robert Parry knows to well how crimes committed by the Bushies can be easily ignored only to come back to life again and again, because the Democrats didn't do the right thing and prosecute them for their crimes.

Senator Kerry knows all to well how sweeping these crimes under the rug will come back in the near future.

I have already heard that Obama isn't going to investigate the Bushies war crimes. If that happens look for Jeb Bush in 2012/2016 to continue where the last two Bushies left off.


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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 03:30 PM
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24. Good analysis. Recognizes Obama's dictum: I will not be perfect and I can take advice
Edited on Tue Nov-18-08 04:28 PM by Sensitivity
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 04:16 PM
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31. He should appoint the most qualified people ... but then also appoint only people loyal to him?
This is kind of silly. It is clear that he wants Obama's cabinet appointments to be certain people -- and he will marshall any argument he can think of to defend this (even if his arguments are contradicting themselves).
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 05:20 PM
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41. He does make the case why others are more qualified. PLUS they have been loyal.
Clinton is NOT qualified. And especially not qualified since ALOT of the Bush agenda we need changed was ABETTED by Bill Clinton - serious matters like Dubai Ports deal he advocated for and that Bush almost pulled off.

BTW, Bill banked 20 million from Dubai for that....funneled thru Yucaipa.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 05:45 PM
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42. "Clinton is NOT qualified"
Yeah, that's why she came within a hair of getting the nomination for President...because she isn't qualified to be SOS. LOLOLOL!!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 09:22 AM
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51. She's like a runner called the world's greatest marathoner for years but never ran one
to completion ever.

Seriously, name ONE ISSUE she started and ran with through to its entirety, and ONE setrious issue of foreign policy that she worked on for years.

Both Clintons stuck with BOTH George Bushes for years, and Bill was especially supportive of Bush2 on Iraq war and his terrorism decisions, and on Iran, as well.

Most people around the world are unaware of how CLOSE the Clintons have been to Bush's foreign policy decisions. They mistakenly believe that Clintons and Bushes have a natural opposition just like many Americans still believe.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 04:52 PM
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40. I have always liked Parry...
and will be watching closely how this thing unfolds. Thanks for the read! :hi:
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 06:13 PM
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43.  Impeachment is the only way to confront The Truth as a nation.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 06:15 PM
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45. Clinton was such a bad president after all...
:sarcasm:
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Renegade08 Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 01:47 AM
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50. Analysis is shoddy, amateurish, and one-sided.
And purely speculative. He's just guessing on how Obama is going about picking people for his cabinet. I notice he doesn't quote any sources in his hatchet piece.

He also ignores the fact that Obama's transition is very different from Clinton's. One big difference - the fact that Obama is NOT elevating symbolic diversity over function and fit. Clinton screwed himself by stubbornly restricting himself to appointing a woman for Attorney General. Obama isn't imposing any sort of litmus tests for his appointees. The author mentions Clinton's disastrous AG picks, and yet, fails to contrast that with Obama's very different approach to making his picks. That's just crappy analysis and bad journalism.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:06 AM
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53. Try reading it correctly - it's advisory and points to RISKS. Parry is a TOTAL PRO journo
who is one of the 5 best investigative reporters this nation has had in the last four decades.

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