For all those whining about Lieberman....

[GarbagemanLB]

Obama himself said he wanted Lieberman to stay in the caucus and he wanted this issue to be done with.


Obama was the one Lieberman attacked. If anyone has a right to be angry at him, it is Obama. He is the one with the most legitimate gripe against Joe. If he can move past it, I frankly don't see how anyone else can question the Democrats' decision to keep Joe in their caucus.

[WI_DEM]

1. I oppose keeping him in the caucus but understand Obama's stand, and

I think if Joe gets out of line again it will be easier to cut him off because we did give him this chance.

[rurallib]

2. Sorry, but it looks to me that Reid is capitulating yet again

[GarbagemanLB]

4. You'd have Reid and the Democrats go against Obama's wishes on this issue?

[DJ13]

10. If Reid had kicked him out of his chairman position but kept in the caucus

Would that have really violated Obama's wishes?

Obama only said he wanted him to stay in the Dem caucus, I dont believe he stated anything about him chairing certain committees.

[RiverStone]

21. And you'd have Reid and the Democrats go against the electorate on this issue?

Who's government is it?

[GarbagemanLB]

23. Yes, let's have a poll before every decision politicians make. What a great way to run this country.

[RiverStone]

27. We are talking about accountability of those we elect, not any f'ing polls

I tend to hold those that represent me to their word. And I'll wager the majority of those that voted on a secret ballot for this war monger and McBush supporter, are indeed *on record* supportive of Obama's plan to withdraw from Iraq.

I will call my own on hypocrisy if I see it --- and I see it!!!

[sharp_stick]

9. Capitulating to who exactly?

There was a secret ballot and the shithead junior Senator from CT was let off the hook.

I personally wish they would just kick that droopy faced asshole out of caucus completely but I don't really see how Reid capitulated to anybody here.

[onenote]

22. how could reid have changed the result?

The rules called for a vote by the caucus. Reid can't control how the members of the caucus vote on this.

[WeDidIt]

3. I've rarely seen a fight the Dems wouldn't run away from

Oh well, they are living down to my expectations and we haven't even sworn the guy in yet.

[TomInTib]

8. Don't you mean "would not run away from"?

Hell, they even caved on Iran-Contra.

[WeDidIt]

18. Yes, corrected

So with 60 votes and the white house, do you think we might get only 90% of the capitualation we've had the past two years?

[TomInTib]

20. No way.

You have to remember, everyone in the Senate is pre-owned.

[babylonsister]

5. Logic has no bearing on any of this, but thanks for trying. nt

[DrDan]

6. so . . .

he worked against all of us. Many of us contributed and worked many hours to get the Dems elected. Lieberman worked against that.

I feel like slapped-in-the-face by the spineless Dems that voted SECRETLY to keep him.

They once again sold out.

[scytherius]

7. I tend to agree even though I loathe Lieberman

I trust Obama. He's given me no reason not to. So if this is what he thinks best, so be it. I don't care about Reid's opinion one ounce but I do Obama's.

[Xipe Totec]

11. If it means Obama gets his picks for the Supreme Court

With 60 votes in the Senate, it will be worth the price.

[RichGirl]

12. I don't believe it's the job of congress....

To punish Leiberman for campaigning for McCain who was his choice for president. I certainly wouldn't expect someone as fair and accepting as Obama to support that. I do think it is our job as democrats to shun Leiberman and let him know that he has failed us. It's up to the people of Connecticutt to not re-elect him. All this is their fault anyway, they had a perfectly good candidate, whose name escapes me at the moment. They were loyal to Leiberman...THEY need to let him know that he betrayed them.

[Atman]

13. If nothing else, he's pulling the rug out from under the GOP.

They want to be NASTY. They project their nastiness, and expected we'd be nasty and full of revenge for their nastiness. But what if Mr. Obama throws 'em a curve ball and says, okay, we'll play your sudden kumbaya game...we'll reach across the aisle.

Now what happens when the GOP continues to play their same hate-filled, divisive games? Obama looks like the champ, he gets to say "I tried to work with these people" and then he gets to kick them in the balls.

It actually might be a brilliant strategy. More "let them hang themselves" stuff. I'll give him credit where it's due now...he ran a freaking BRILLIANT campaign, and I have no reason to believe he's not being equally deliberative in his decision about Lieberman.

.

[GarbagemanLB]

19. Clearly you are too logical for many on this forum.

I agree with you completely.

[CakeGrrl]

14. Agreed. Would the Senate Dems *really* go against the wishes of their P-E?

I doubt it.

I'm sitting on my own dislike for Lieberman out of the belief that Obama's working with the bigger picture.

[RiverStone]

15. Joe questioned Obama's capacity to lead at the puke convention!!!

And was McBush's lapdog in virtually every photo shoot the last 2 weeks of the campaign.

Joe is a war monger and tool for the pukes.

We have every right to question the capitulation and spineless actions of Reid....

But...

As I have posted elsewhere. We have far greater fish to fry than to spend much more bandwidth on this issue. I disagree with President Elect Obama and Howard Dean on this, but I passionately support the Obama administration to be.

Ya know, it's OK to still disagree. Obama will do far, FAR more right than wrong, but in this case - he is way wrong!!!

Tomorrow I move on...

[Why Syzygy]

16. I'm sure we will not all agree with EVERYTHING

Obama does. This is the first. I still don't agree with him keeping the Chair. He's a TRAITOR, and should be dealt with as such.

[mokawanis]

17. Well; I disagree with Obama

and frankly don't care what Obama thinks of Lieberman. I'm pissed at Liar Joe and want that asshole removed. I will always question and severely criticize the boneheads who supported that dirtball.

[stray cat]

24. “in defeat, defiance; in victory, magnanimity.” - the wimp Churchill

[corkhead]

25. I have been trusting Obama to be smarter than me.

he hasn't proven me wrong yet.

[damntexdem]

26. I am disgruntled about Lieberman but not whining.

For me, the bottom line is the number 60. It's not worth punishing LIEberman IF he now cooperates with Dem initiatives and IF that allows the Dems to stop GOP filibusters.

[xchrom]

28. job performance -- lieberman could even investigate the most minimal

of bushco's fuck-ups.

[iamthebandfanman]

29. oh well if obama said it i guess we all have to think that way

oh wait, no we dont.

being elected president doesnt make somebody God of the country or God of their party...

we are still free to have our own opinions and dislike decisions...

if theres gonna be some asshole on DU who whines and complains everytime someone here critises obama its gonna be a long fucking 4-8 years, ill tell you that much right now...

sorry but we are free thinkers and will decide for ourselves whats good and whats bad, regardless of what anyone else says


with that being said, the mans not even in office yet... so why we are even talking about his involvement with joe is beyond me.


joe is a has been and IS NOT a democrat. after i heard harry say that today, he can rest assured that ill be doing everything within my power to get him thrown out of office.
anybody who cant judge the people they keep around them as 'friends' doesnt need a position of power.