So "now" DU has no faith in Obama's integrity?

[CatWoman]

Is that what I am to take from today's angst?

[mmonk]

1. No, what you should take is we don't like some of his picks.

[mucifer]

2. yup. I don't want to be in an echochamber.

[CatWoman]

4. and which "picks" would that be?

[mucifer]

9. Attorney General. He has defended Chiquita International (human rights issues there)

and Merck (drug company). He was a partner in a corporate law firm. Not my first choice for change I can believe in. I don't see a problem with discussing this. I see a problem with people who insist we don't discuss this.

[WI_DEM]

17. So he has actually picked the AG? or is it media speculation?

[CatWoman]

18. to be quite honest, I wasn't aware of this pick

I was still stuck on Lieberman :shrug:

[WI_DEM]

20. It's because there has been no pick as yet, it's all the usual speculation.

[Bobbieo]

25. We elected him to be POTUS - Why won't you let him choose his own Cabinet?

[mmonk]

53. You mean I can stop him?

[babylonsister]

3. Amazing, isn't it.

But please don't bother trying to defend his integrity, because then you'll be blamed for walking in lockstep, 'Obama can make no mistakes', blahblahblah. :eyes:

It did get everyone off complaining about and/or applauding Clinton. :crazy:

[CatWoman]

6. rather

I find it completely disgusting

:hi:

[Why Syzygy]

5. Bingo.

I've lost faith. What has he done for us lately? That's what I get for dreaming large.

[ecstatic]

7. Why is now in quotes?

Should they (I'm not included) have doubted his integrity before?

[CatWoman]

14. lol

:)

[FrenchieCat]

8. If you support Obama who selected Holder, who worked

as an attorney for a foreign company, you are guilty of murders in Latin America. OK? :mad:

[mucifer]

13. It's an issue worth discussing don't you think? International human rights is a valid issue.

He was a partner in a corporate law firm that defends Chiquita International and Merck. I'd rather we didn't have an attorney gen who had these ties.

We should at least be allowed to discuss this.

[FrenchieCat]

19. I have been discussing it.

So I'm certainly not going to stop you or others.

I used to have to defend those who called Wes Clark a War Criminal at one point as well...so I'm used to it. :hi:

[The Traveler]

28. I remember those days

:hi:

I think a lot of people here (understandably) would be more comfortable if Obama tacked a hard left right now. My own feeling is that while that would make me feel good it would probably be a disaster.

We as a nation are dealing with the wreckage of the past 8 years ... wreckage I am convinced at this point was damage deliberately inflicted so as to set up what Naomi Klein describes as "disaster capitalism". I do not think we have ever had in history a President who was so blatantly committed to ravaging the nation on behalf of the wealthy few.

Therefore we're in an unprecedented situation. These waters have bad tricky currents and unexpected rocks. Wisely, Obama is setting up a team that can discover or invent the path through and pull together the political coalition necessary to implement those plans.

I just wish he had made Lieberman wear a clown suit when attending the Senate or something ... :evilgrin:

[Richardo]

10. Yes! He's no better than Pelosi! Worse even! We *always* disliked Pelosi!

Obama has betrayed us! He appeasing the Clintons! The GOP! Focus on the Family! He's selling us up the river! Down the river! Without a paddle! He's no liberal! He's no Democrat! He's not black! He's a secret Republican! He's been outed as a Republican! He's a Rovian plant! He's a Bushian plant! He's a Pelosi plant! Did we mention Pelosi? How we can't stand her? Yes! We're not voting for him in 2012! In fact, impeach him NOW! Before the inauguration! Impeachment is ON the table! Take him to The Hague!

etc etc etc


:boring:

[texastoast]

11. Ooooommmmmmmmmmmm

Just being mellow and having the good sense to let things unfold. As he promised, we likely won't agree with him all the time. So far, I'm very pleased with the wisdom he has exhibited in surrounding himself with some very fucking smart people.

[politicasista]

12. I never question (or questioned) Obama's integrity

He is smarter than that. :)

[Tempest]

15. Not his integrity, his judgement definitely

What Obama did with Lieberman is no different than what McSame did with Bush, sucking up to McSame after being ravaged by him.

And we were extremely critical of McSame for doing it with Bush.

[RichGirl]

21. Obama has NOTsucked up to Leiberman!

When he hugs him and goes out and campaigns for him, then and only then will he be like Bush.

Obama is not a vindictive person and I for one would be very disappointed in him if he used his power to punish someone for not supporting him.

[CatWoman]

23. wish I could recommend your post

:)

[snake in the grass]

40. It's not about being vindictive...

...or punishing someone. Lieberman is a liability. I wouldn't be surprised though if Obama has something very special waiting for Joe somewhere in the near future. Until now he has shown himself to be an excellent power player. He can't be so blind to not recognize that Lieberman will turn on him at the next opportunity.

[RichGirl]

16. I have complete faith in Obama and I LOVE all his choices!

Obama made it very clear that he wants a different kind of Washington that works together and gets things done, not constant fighting. Nothing he ever said indicated that he was vindictive or that he would punish someone for not supporting him. He also never claimed to satisfy the Hillary haters by never including her or anyone ever connected with the Clinton administration. He's picking people who are experienced and qualified and considering that the last democratic president was Clinton, his people are some of the best people to choose from.

Some at DU are so self-absorbed that they think their own choices are better than Obama's.....LOL!!!

[JuniperLea]

22. The Audacity of Dopes

Yes, I'm sure there are soooo many here who are smarter than Obama! :rofl:

I think you're right, and I also think a lot of people were lost in their own fantasy world and not really paying attention or processing what Obama was saying all this time. I'm not surprised at all.

[CatWoman]

26. The Audacity of Dopes

ROFL!!!

I'm sorry -- but that is too fucking funny :rofl:

[JuniperLea]

32. Hehe...

Funny is good! Um... it's still good, right?

:rofl:

[Why Syzygy]

47. Lieberman has done even more than campaign against our candidate.

He has not lifted a FINGER to ask a single question on george the great. As far as Joe's concerned, carry on!

I am not liking this Obama. At all.

[The_Casual_Observer]

Reminds me of the Ricky Nelson song

"Fools rush in where wise men ...."

Give it a rest & let Obama do what he was elected to do. Have a little faith.

[stray cat]

24. “in defeat, defiance; in victory, magnanimity.” No doubt Obama falls under victorious

[CoffeeCat]

27. My take on all of this...

Our country is in jeopardy at every corner.

Besides the economy tanking and the failed, neocon wars---our country really isn't
a Democracy any more.

How can I say that when we just had an election in which Obama won? The only reason we won
is because this time we had Dem Secretaries of State and Governors who ensured
fairness. That won't always be the case. Machines flipped votes. Voters were purged
from the rolls. Are votes are not verifiable. Next time, we might not be so lucky.

Our elections are not legitimate. Habeas Corpus is gone. Our country tortures. Our
country operates its own prison that operates--nearly in secret. People can be detained in
this country for merely protesting the government. Currently, on our books--any one of us
can be declared an "enemy combatant"--stripping away our due process rights, our right to
an attorney--and we can be detained indefinitely. It's the law of the land.

This is not America anymore. We have lost her. Our government can spy on us--illegally.
Our Presidents can now enact any law or idea they want--just by making it so in a "signing
statement." Our government can read our mail and email, and it's likely--based on accounts
from whistle blowers at AT&T--that they're capturing and able to read every electronic
message we send.

Our Constitution is not followed. Our civil rights--specifically our right to privacy, are
in peril.

Government agencies have been gutted. They're supposed to protect our food supply, our children's toys,
our citizens who survive natural disasters, the air we drink, the water breath and the drugs we take when we're
sick. Agencies protecting these things are now staffed by people who work for corporations that
protect profits over our health.

I hired Obama to restore our democracy and reinstate the Constitution. I fully understand that
the only way to do this is to get Democrats and Republicans on board. I know I'm not going to
agree with every appointment, every policy, every decision. However, we are in dire straights.
We have to sacrifice some of our policy dreams to attract a super majority of politician and
US citizens.

It's the only path to restoring our democracy.

In my opinion, this isn't the time to further a partisan agenda that will piss off half of the
country. It's a time to build bridges, heal and come together--so we can begin to fix that
enormous mountain of problems that the last eight years has left us.

That's why I'm willing to defer some of my policy wishes. If we don't have a democracy or
the US Constitution guiding our government--we've damn well got absolutely nothing.

[kansasblue]

29. 132,911 user registration and you assume to know what DU thinks?

you arrive at absolute comments like 'so now DU' and 'no faith' from threads arguing both sides of the issues.

[Born_A_Truman]

30. Let me go on record right now

I love all the choices he hasn't made yet and I will love all the choices he will make. Got it? Good. After eight fucking years of Bush bullshit I WILL enjoy my president. :fistbump:

[CatWoman]

34. I just LOVE that fist bump thingy

:)

[4_Legs_Good]

31. People have been waiting eight years to take back our country, and when we won, we expected a tool

But I think we're all expecting way too much OF WHAT WE WANT from President Obama.

We didn't elect a tool or a series of issues, we elected a man, and independent person with his own ideas about how the country should and WILL be run.

Sure I'd LOVE it if he'd take on all my pet projects: put solar panels up over all highways to power the nation, make Utah a Condor preserve, redistrict the entire country based on mathematical algorithms instead of party affiliation, appoint enviro-wackos to the Supreme Court, Create a GINORMOUS jobs program, buy every available scrap of land and make it a national park...

BUT, he's not going to do that. What he's going to do is what he thinks is right. He's going to appoint who he thinks will be the best for the job.

And I completely trust him.

Lead on President Obama :salute:

David

[Warren Stupidity]

33. Gee I can disagree with the guy and not lose faith in his integrity.

What a crock your op is.

[tularetom]

35. I'm not losing any sleep

I think it will eventually be revealed that Loserman didn't get as much out of this vote as he hoped. I think Obama has a lot going on that he hasn't revealed. Like maybe the end of Homeland Security and thus the end of the Homeland Security Committee.

I voted for Obama because he is smarter than I am. He has never given me any reason to regret that vote.

[TreasonousBastard]

36. DU is just fine. Some...

of the members, though...

[mtnsnake]

37. only according to drama queens like yourself. n/t

[JitterbugPerfume]

41. CatWoman is no drama queen

but so what if she was? Would we love her less?

[mtnsnake]

42. I only meant for this thread, but my apologies for making it sound like a label.

You are right, and no, we wouldn't love her any less.

edited to add: In all honesty, I confused the one and only CatWoman with another poster whose first syllable is Cat, and it's not cat_girl25, either, because I love her, too. It's a different CatXXXX I was thinking of. ;)

[CatWoman]

46. and you know I love you, JBP

:hi:

:loveya:

[CatWoman]

44. we are NOT amused

stick a fork in it.

[mtnsnake]

49. So

I guess you didn't accept my apology. Oh well, life will go on.

[AlCzervik]

38. not from me, i am pissed about Lieberman, i'm not pissed at Obama.

[Jennicut]

39. A house divided against itself cannot stand.

Abraham Lincoln 1858

[BlooInBloo]

43. That's about it in a nutshell.

[CatWoman]

45. *smooch*

:hi:

:loveya:

some folks didn't show up when they were passing out a sense of humor :)

[BlooInBloo]

48. Hiya hon!

Very true - lol!

:loveya:

[stillcool]

50. I've stayed away..

since the election. Seemed to me that the shit flinging started the next day. I was hoping to wait until he was at least sworn in, to express my distaste for his error du jour. That said, I think the television helps whip people up..or something.

[CatWoman]

51. WELL,

I'm going to bed.

and I NEVER crash before midnight.

this shit is getting ridiculous.

[politicasista]

52. On second thought,

I am going to refrain from commenting on Obama's decisions and/or cabinet picks because it's all just speculation and it hasn't come straight from the Donkey's (LOL!) mouth yet. Plus, he hasn't been sworn in yet and I don't want anyone to think I am "whining" about anything.

We will agree and disagree, but Obama will do what is right in the end.