Obama wants Iraq War Waffle Room.

[Pryderi]

Obama doesn't want to leave Iraq. At least not as fast as he had promised during the election. Getting Hillary as SOS accomplishes 2 things.

1. Hillary can talk about "facts on the ground" and has 17 million voters to support Obama by proxy.

2. Hillary and Bill will be "inside the tent pissing out"

[xchrom]

1. oh. brother. nt

[liberalmuse]

2. So you have insight into the workings of his mind?

Awesome! :eyes:

[Pryderi]

7. Yep. Just as you have your ESP when you express an opinion.

[liberalmuse]

32. Smartass!

Keep it up, and I might even start to like you.

[Pryderi]

3. Also , mending fences with Lieberman can help him stay in Iraq

[IndianaJones]

4. whats the conference call number and passcode? nt.

[Teaser]

5. and also, he supports pidgeon guided laser turrets

because I just wrote it.

[babylonsister]

6. How the HELL do you know that? Did you watch 60 Minutes?

Or do you have a crystal ball?

[Pryderi]

10. No. I didn't watch 60 Minutes.

[babylonsister]

21. Here, from Sunday. And you should watch it-it was great!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/16/60minutes/main4607893_page4.shtml

snip//

Kroft: There are a number of different things that you could do early pertaining to executive orders. One of them is to shutdown Guantanamo Bay. Another is to change interrogation methods that are used by U.S. troops. Are those things that you plan to take early action on?

Mr. Obama: Yes. I have said repeatedly that I intend to close Guantanamo, and I will follow through on that. I have said repeatedly that America doesn't torture. And I'm gonna make sure that we don't torture. Those are part and parcel of an effort to regain America's moral stature in the world.

(CBS) Kroft: Can you give us some sense of when you might start redeployments out of Iraq?

Mr. Obama: Well, I've said during the campaign, and I've stuck to this commitment, that as soon as I take office, I will call in the Joint Chiefs of Staff, my national security apparatus, and we will start executing a plan that draws down our troops. Particularly in light of the problems that we're having in Afghanistan, which has continued to worsen. We've got to shore up those efforts.

[Pryderi]

24. Having Hillary and Gates as part of "my national security apparatus"

can give him alot of wiggle room from what he promised on the campaign trail which was;
"Ending the War Responsibly
Barack Obama will work with military commanders on the ground in Iraq and in consultation with the Iraqi government to end the war safely and responsibly within 16 months."

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/side_by_side_comparison/index.php

[babylonsister]

33. You flat out said PE Obama doesn't want to leave. EPIC fail. nt

[Pryderi]

42. I should have said, "Obama want waffle room"

[AlCzervik]

8. you're just making shit up.

[Thrill]

As usual. Here come Democrats starting to ear their own. Unreal

[Barack_America]

9. If you're going to argue this, it would make more sense to bring up Gates.

He'd have more to do with that hypothetical plan than Hillary.

[Pryderi]

12. So now you're bolstering my argument.

[Barack_America]

17. Nope. Just pointing out a weakness.

[Pryderi]

19. ....which bolsters my argument.

[Bicoastal]

27. Except Gates hasn't been appointed either.

Don't you people have anything better to do?

[PetrusMonsFormicarum]

11. Ha ha hah ha ha ha . . . ahem . . .

BULLSHIT.

[mtnsnake]

13. So according to you, Obama doesn't want to leave Iraq, & it's all Hillary & Bill's fault

even though Hillary doesn't even work for Obama yet, if at all. Now that is really amazing.

[Pryderi]

16. No, but having hawks like Hillary, Lieberman and Gates on your side give Obama

wiggle room.

[mtnsnake]

22. I don't agree with how you're labeling the Clintons, but thanks for the clarification

:)

[LaurenG]

14. I thought he wanted to leave as fast as possible

he still has to be responsible but he'd love to get our troops home and spend the billions being spent on the war on US citizens. What do I know though, that's just what he said. :eyes:

[spanone]

15. nwmhtt

[cali]

18. teh stupid, teh stupid. it burns!!

fucking pathetic.

god, i hate stupid.

[BlooInBloo]

23. Hey! That's my line!

Which I naturally shameless stole. :P

[cali]

25. me too, but you gotta admit, it couldn't be put to better use than

here.

[BlooInBloo]

38. It's precisely what I came into this thread to say. :)

[AlCzervik]

29. from Fark?

a lot of Fark stuff ends up here.

[BlooInBloo]

36. Nah - I got it from Atrios. Dunno where he got it from - mebbe FARK....

But somehow FARK never made it into my standard reading cycle - no real reason, it just didn't.

[Pryderi]

40. You 2 want to get a room?

[BlooInBloo]

43. Whoa. Hardcore.

[AlCzervik]

45. ya rly.

[cali]

47. I'd love to get a room

for you. a nice little padded one with a special jacket.

[babylonsister]

56. ...

:rofl::rofl:

[Pryderi]

52. Why not post an argument? Or don't you have any?

[elocs]

20. Yes, everybody knows it was all just an election ploy.

:sarcasm:

[Pryderi]

30. So we'll be out of Iraq by May 2010?

[Miss Chybil]

26. What. Ever. nt

[Skittles]

28. I don't remember Obama saying we'd get out of Iraq "fast"

I recall him saying "gradual withdrawal", with more emphasis on Afghanistan and catching bin Laden

[Autumn]

31. Obama is our President, not Hillary or

Bill or any one else. He will do what is right and I really doubt he is a weakling to bend over to someone else. Don't confuse him with bush.

[Pryderi]

35. So you're saying that Obama won't listen to anyone that contradicts him? Sounds familiar.

[Autumn]

41. No , Obama will chose the people he works with

and HE will make the final decisions. No one else.

[Pryderi]

48. Because he's the decider. :P

[Autumn]

49. There you go into a world of confusion

Barack Obama is not bush.

[Pryderi]

57. You're the one implying Obama is Bush. Not me.

[Name removed]

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[Pryderi]

63. I win. :)

[1corona4u]

34. What the FUCK?

Go smoke another bowl. You're talking crazy shit.

[zulchzulu]

37. Bush and Maliki just signed an agreement we would be out in three years

That's a good timeline to get the troops out safely and carefully... Obama will use that timeline as a template.

Plus, despite what anyone is inferring, Hillary Clinton WILL NOT be Secretary of State. After the vetting process gets too complicated, she will gracefully decline and it will be either Kerry or Richardson.

[Pryderi]

39. Obama promised 16 months.

[4lbs]

46. 16 months from Feb 2009 is June 2010.

So, if almost all of the US combat forces in Iraq aren't out by the end of June 2010, you can come back here and do a big "I told you so" dance.

Until then....

[FrenchieCat]

44. P.O.D.!

[Overseas]

50. An interesting concept, certainly. But he's definitely leaving.

I have no doubt about that. Essential to repairing the US' reputation. Get out of there where you wasted billions on incompetent privatized military services that botched the rebuilding of Iraq, and let those brilliant Iraqis get on with rebuilding their own country.
And I heard about some 2011 timetable which surprised me.

But withdrawal will begin at least by March 09. The process will begin.

The 2011 may mean that considering the tons of traces we have left in Iraq in terms of bases and other facilities, we will be almost fully gone by then.

That sounds fine.

Begin withdrawal by 3/09 and be nearly totally gone by 2011. Sounds doable.

So having Ms. HRC on the team would be fine. Still there yet still withdrawing. Tactfully. Strategically.

And she wants to build her foreign policy creds. War profiteering Bushie ways are old hat. New generation in power understands the need for more sustainable foreign policy. Wars are too toxic and environmentally unsustainable.

Friendly seduction is the way to go in the future. Friendly seduction that serves all sides. Sharing conservation technology stretches remaining resources for all to share.

Those sorts of pragmatic politics can be shared across ideological lines.

[apocalypsehow]

51. Good Lord.

:eyes:

[PBS Poll-435]

53. LOL

Wow.

:rofl:

[LiberalColombian]

54. I support this post.

If Obama does not remove ALL troops from Iraq by ten months there will be hell to pay.

[Pryderi]

55. Sixteen months, not 10.

[stillcool]

59. I think he should remove them..

before he gets inaugurated.

[Unsane]

60. Then he will pay in 2012.

[IndianaGreen]

61. I am sure that Obama can count on Lieberman's support on neocon wars

Why would Obama allow Lieberman to keep his Homeland Security Chair?

[MarjorieG]

62. Obama sets the policy, as he's clearly stated....

[mmonk]

64. I believe the Iraqis have voted us out of their cities and towns.

I can take a hint. Obama too most likely.