I think Richardson will get Sec'y of State

[Zomby Woof]

Hillary will decide to stay in the senate, where she can be Obama's point person on healthcare reform and some other pressing domestic issues (labor, taxes, etc). I think in her heart, she wants to build a senate legacy, and obtain some seniority after the era of Byrd and Kennedy comes to pass in the next 5-10 years. (With Biden coming up as VP and Stevens happily defeated, senate seniority has taken 2 major leaps right there).

I figure as long as we're all playing Nostradamus around here, I'd at least make a reasonable guess. :P

[tabatha]

1. Yes, I think so too.

This was just a bit of chess playing.

[camera obscura]

2. From your lips to God's ear

er... Obama's ear, I guess

[babylonsister]

3. I think both Richardson and Kerry will be offered positions, or not.

:shrug: That's my prediction and I'm sticking to it!

[Zomby Woof]

6. By staying in the senate

Hillary clears Obama of any Bill-related drama that is potentially mucking up the transition.

[babylonsister]

11. Yep.

I have all sorts of theories, but I ain't talking. :D

I did find it interesting that Uncle Teddy today offered Hillary a part in the healthcare legislation he's wanting to pass. Maybe that would be perfect for her. I do hope Senator Clinton is involved in something like this.

[RichGirl]

29. What Bill related drama?

Other than campaigning for his wife and then for Obama, we rarely ever hear from Bill unless he is talking about his charities or hounded by the drama hungry media.

What views has he been ranting about that you have a problem with?

[Solomon]

33. It's not his views, it's his business that nobody seems to be able

to vet.

[Zomby Woof]

52. I like the Clintons

I am honest about their shortcomings, however. But they both have considerable talents and gifts which have served our party, and more importantly, our nation, quite well more often than not.

My 7+ year record on DU has made it clear that I usually lean in their defense on most issues.

Better luck next time. ;-)

[karynnj]

35. There's a very strong case for Kerry staying the Senate too

Unlike HRC, he already has the seniority and the positions to be a very powerful Senator. He sunded genuinely enthusiastic when campaigning speacking of not having gone into government - just to stop bad things from happening, but to do good things. This will be the first time in his long career wher real progressive legislation will be possible.

In the Senate, he is well positioned to be a key foreign policy person, to work on global warming issues, and to help on healthcare (he is on Baucus's Finance committee) As a Senator, he is independent - and stong independent voices are needed. He also is extremely good at forging compromises - as he and Snowe did to get the CAFE standards raised. Obama will need people with that ability in the Senate to really get legislation that can pass with big margins. As someone just re-elected to a fifth term he has seniority and potentially many years to be a great Senator. Senator Kennedy may have done more to advance Democratic causes than any President since LBJ. Speaking of Kennedy, tt also may be an awkward time to leave. The state he clearly loves may need him. In contrast, the SoS serves only as long as the President wants him or her.

Here is an article that responds to a rumor - but the interesting part is the exerpt of what he wrote earlier this year. http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/11/18/the-restless-mr-kerry.aspx Kerry is now going to head the SFRC, the committee he most wanted to be on when he joined the Senate. In the committee, Kerry has often spoken eloquently of its importance and history. In addition, there is his personal history with the committee. There is something full circle with Kerry, who came before the committee to try to help end the Vietnam War, heading the committee as we work to get out of Iraq, stabalize Afghanistan and put out other fires in the world.

The Obama administration will have a large foreign policy team, with Biden, with all his expertise and Obama himself, who hasarticulated his personal world view. Kerry will be one voice heard -even if he remains in the Senate.

[Zomby Woof]

53. Yes

Kerry would be a great point person in the senate too. He and Clinton complement each others' strengths, quite likely. Kerry usually leaning on international affairs, and Clinton on domestic - with exceptions abound.

[Autumn]

4. I would like Hillary to stay in

the Senate. I think she will be a major force there.

[bdamomma]

24. I wish she could take over Reid's position.

She would shake things up there. Plus I think she would like to help Senator Kennedy with his Health Bill proposal.

[Thrill]

5. Hopefully they announce it tomorrow. So the media can stop this obession

[Double T]

7. Richardson is a weak candidate for SOS.

HRC would be the best choice.

[Cosmic Charlie]

20. What has Hillary ever successfully negotiated? Bill was a UN Ambassador and Top Diplomat

He has so much more Foreign Policy than her it not even worth arguing.

[RichGirl]

32. The most important part of any negotiation is trust.

Hillary is trusted all over the world.

You can't truly know who the Clinton's are unless you get out of the bubble of the U.S. and look at the rest of the world. You many not think the opinions of the rest of the world matter, but in foreign policy matters they are key.

[blm]

38. Bushes and Clintons are very much trusted by Dubai and Saudi royals. The rest of the world hasn't

been made aware of how MUCH Bill Clinton helped Bush push Iraq war in this country by convincing DC Dems to support IWR and Bush's decision and in his advice to Tony Blair.

Most in the world don't know that during Bill's 2004 summer booktour he publicly defended Bush VIGOROUSLY on the very Iraq war decisions that our Dem nominee was attacking.

If people around the world knew how close Bushes and Clintons were on foreign policy, then they wouldn't be so enamored of the Clintons, would they? We will OBLITERATE Iran.

[Cosmic Charlie]

45. But she isn't trusted by the majority of her own Party. That's why we picked Obama.

[RichGirl]

30. I agree with you.

I'm not crazy about Richardson...he is too much of an opportunist. Any time he talks it's all I...I....I......I.....

I think Obama will consider all positions very carefully based on who is best for a job.

In Richardsons case, I don't think Obama will repay a favor...that's not his style.

I also think that by endorsing Obama, Richardson demonstated his lack of loyality. He didn't have to endorse Clinton, but out of loyality could have endorsed neither. It's like dating a married man...if he was disloyal to the Clinton's, he can just as easily be disloyal to Obama down the road.

Personally, I think Clinton would be best for this job because it's more than just being a foreign policy expert. Both Clinton's are loved, admired, respected and trusted all over the world. That is a qualification that only she has and it's invaluable.
Without trust, all the expertise in the world isn't going to work.

[karynnj]

37. I disagree that he was disloyal by endorsing Obama

What Richardson and all other Clinton administration people owed the COUNTRY and Bill was that they do their job to the best of their abilities honestly and ethically. They certainly did not sell their right to endorse someone other than the former first lady 7 years later! Following that logic, every career Democrat who had a Clinton administration appointment and maybe every Congressmen who had a bill that Clinton pushed or who was helped at re-election would be required to be silent of support HRC.

Now, imagine that Clinton's wife was NOT HRC, but say a liberal version of Sarah Palin. Would you still say that? The analogy of "dating a married man" doesn't work - Richardson never pledged eternal loyalty to even Bill Clinton, much less Hillary.

[SoxFan]

43. Good lord, what nonsense

You bash Richardson for being self-centered, yet you support Hillary Clinton!?!?!

Oh, and this "loyalty" crap is pathetic. We aren't talking about an organized crime family.

Finally, tell me how you can rationalize Bill's financial dealings with various less-than-savory regimes with Hillary being our top diplomat? I have a real problem with this.

[MadBadger]

50. Based on Holder and Daschle, I think Hillary will be SOS, unless Treasury is a female.

[AtomicKitten]

8. Eagleburger sure was an a-hole in his remarks about Richardson.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/18/eagleburger-i-have-very-l_n_144711.html

[bdamomma]

25. Didn't Eagleburger say something about Palin and the

higher ups told him to shut up, he puts his foot into his mouth doesn't he?

[nyc 4 Biden]

42. Yep...

"I can’t say that she would be a genius in the job."

http://washingtonindependent.com/16128/former-secretary-of-state-says-palin-not-ready

[karynnj]

39. This is interesting

It has always struck me as extremely wrong that the Bush 1 people who had connects to Iran/Contra and other disasterous ways of dealing with the world are given platforms and treated as valued experts.

Given that he did not speak out against any of that when it happened, he has no standing to criticize others - other than Palin, who was amazingly inadeguate. His comment on Richardson is pathetic, because it has no back up - what did Richardson do or fail to do. Similarly, his comment on HRC, that is positive on the surface is passive aggressive. There are no real positives, but there is a real negative - mentioning the Clintons'"peculiar connections". Now, I agree that there is much vetting needed , but doesn't Eagleburger have connections to Capar Weinberger, Eliott Abrams, Oliver North, Clair George, and Alan Fiers, the 5 pardoned Iran/Contra people?

His John Kerry comment was strange for at least three reasons. That it was positive at all. That he thinks a SoS should "stand up" to the VP, rather than work with him, with any differeing views on what to do being presented to Obama. (To do otherwise would be a waste of what these men bring to the table. The third is that "not standing up" has never been a Kerry problem - as he likely should remember from BCCI and Iran/Contra. (The Elliot Abrams part is interesting - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=273&topic_id=140974

This really seems that he wants to deflate every possible Democrat for SoS, but not appear to be doing so.

[TwilightGardener]

41. Ouch. That's pretty mean--there's no need to gratuitously insult the man, and let's not forget

that Richardson has been governing a state and has run bureaucracies before--where is Hillary's management experience, by comparison? That's an important consideration for running the State Dept.

[BlooInBloo]

9. I'm fine with that. Qualified AND not looking to obliterate tens of millions of innocent people.

What a concept!

[Metric System]

16. If Iran attacked Israel first, you seriously think the US would sit on the sidelines?

[BlooInBloo]

17. Stupidest.. Red Herring. EVER.

[paulk]

21. it's not a red herring

why don't you actually try responding to something for once?

this is a discussion board - you might try discussing things every once in a while.

otherwise people might get the idea that you don't really know what you're talking about.

[Beacool]

22. Why bother?

Some people prefer to stay ignorant, cherry pick remarks and take them out of context.

:shrug:

[PVnRT]

28. What does that have to do with this?

It wouldn't just be the U.S. either, in that case, especially if Iran fired off a nuke.

At any rate, Bloo was talking about pre-emptively striking Iran, which the hawks want to do. Your comment is just silly.

[blogslut]

10. We'll have to see

I'm not completely against Senator Clinton for SoS but I think Bill Richardson is a better choice.

[southerncrone]

12. I hope you're correct about this!

Clinton's bring too much baggage that the Repukes will use to divide the country again.

We don't need to be bogged down by distraction--there is too much important business to take care of immediately.

I think Bill Richardson is the best choice for this job. Plus, it places a Latino in a high position.

Hillary would be a terrific Sec. of Health, Education & Welfare, her past aligns perfectly with this position & she could do some REAL good for the country.



edited for typos.

[bdamomma]

26. I think Hillary would be great in that position of Sec. of Health

Education and Welfare, she would be an asset.

[RichGirl]

31. My hope is that he picks Clinton for SOS.

Maybe it will put to rest the misconceptions. There is no drama or baggage regarding the Clintons exept speculation and media fabication. There's no reason to believe that Hillary would over power Obama...this is truly ridiculous.

Remember when all the Clinton haters insisted that she would take the nomination to the convention???? Didn't happen. They were wrong!! You know how they all just assume that Obama hates the Clintons just as much as they do...well, when he chooses her as SOS they will be wrong again. Maybe they will learn to look at facts instead of media hype and will not project their own views onto Obama.

[southerncrone]

51. But, unfortunately, whether we like it or not, media hype is baggage in our media driven world.

It doesn't matter who's slinging the baggage, it still must be dealt with.
The Clinton's have been some of the best media-fodder around for decades now.
I don't agree that it's right, just that it is a fact.
Not something that can be easily changed, but still should be considered in this important appointment, in this critical point in our nation's history.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

13. Yeah, talk about a news loop

I'm so tired of seeing Hillary on the plane with Barack, bouncing up on a stage platform with him in their matching blue, and all the rerun primary hugs from Bill. Richardson came out hard and fast for Barack, no doubt was very instrumental in carrying N.M., and has a helluva resume.

Looks like Ted Kennedy is getting real serious about universal health care - Hillary could certainly help him out with that.

[Colobo]

14. I'd be glad if he does. Bill, Hillary and John are three great choices.

[DianeG5385]

15. I agree. It will be best for the country

Hillary championing Health Care that we desperately need, Richardson at State where he richly deserves to be. The best answer overall.

[bdamomma]

27. Health Care is what Hillary was working for when she was

first lady, I think she would definitely be an asset in that area.

[Gregorian]

18. Nostradamus would have been AWESOME if he'd had Google.

I just had to say that. It may or may not be of any significant contribution to this discussion.

[Erin Elizabeth]

19. I don't think Hillary has actually been offered the job.

And I think SoS will be Richardson or someone no one has thought of yet. MAYBE Kerry, but I doubt it.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

23. i hope you are right. MJ just said Eagleburger said Bill lacks

the intelligence. He want HRC.

[Jennicut]

34. Hillary has no senior postition in the Senate right now. She won't be able to champion anything.

She is wondering what best way to position herself for 2016 (or 2012...but I don't want to think about that). Sec of State or stay in the Senate with no seniority?

[Catshrink]

36. I hope you're right.

oh, and the Cubs suck.

[happychatter]

40. She will be SoS... she will do a fine job

obama is smart like mofo

the big dog got nuffin on him

[wisteria]

44. Oh brther. n/t

[SeaLyons]

46. I think not...n/t

[ChairmanAgnostic]

47. poor eaglebugger.

I like richardson

[Bolo Boffin]

48. That sounds good to me

The main thing weighing against Hillary as SECSTATE for me was that she'd have no real input on her signature issue, healthcare.

[PresidentObama]

49. Nope, I think it'll be Hillary. And she'll be a great choice n/t