What does the word "Discussion" mean to you people??????

[Vote2008]

Look it up in the damn dictionary!! DISCUSSION!!!!!

I guess a lot of you here want the forum to be renamed to:

"General AGREEMENT: Presidential"

I assume I am not the only one who is sick of people telling me to stop complaining about crap I don't agree with. Jesus, I guess some of you REALLY did drink the koolaid!

Hell, I get the feeling if OBAMA BANNED Abortion and we complained about it some people here would post the damn "Chill the fuck out, I got this" picture.

[LynnTheDem]

1. Nah...

I'd just say "take a child pill, dude".

[patricia92243]

5. Yep!

[roguevalley]

36. I agree with the OP. I will give anyone time but I think discussion

should allow for respectful dissent. But that's just me, I guess.

[LaurenG]

2. I agree with the poster above -

discuss all you want but there are plenty of people willing to give Obama a chance before we lose our minds over the cabinet picks and his classy treatment of Lieberman.

[Oceansaway]

9. 'classy treatment of Lieberman'...NOT...

he backed outta the vote and then sent his lap dog Durbin into

clean up...thats not change...its more of the same...only difference

is the D & R in front of the name...jmo...

[LaurenG]

17. I know that's what most everyone thinks - but I think they handled him with tons of class and grace

Senator Obama said that Lieberman was going to be a caucus issue and not something he was going to take care of...

I personally think Lieberman is a weak, sniveling whiner, and they took the high road with him.

[tomp]

40. example of anti-discussion style. nt

[LaurenG]

46. Example of hit and run - nt

[BridgeTheGap]

3. Only an "idealogue" would respond in such a fashion. Are you saying

we have idealogues at DU?

[Buzz Clik]

4. ah, geez...

[peace13]

6. Well..give the guy a chance!

Just kidding. I feel your pain. I worked my *ss off for Obama. I think that we can discuss the choices and method that Obama is using. To this point No Drama Obama has not transpired. He has allowed the circus to stay in town and that is what I do not like. Come out and give us the slate in a decisive manner, the manner in which he campaigned, and I could go with that. This side show is crap to the en-th degree.

[ellacott]

7. What does the word "whine" mean to you?

Two totally different meanings. Why is it that so many people can only think black and white?

It's amazing that there's confusion to this magnitude on this board.

[elocs]

20. I used to believe that thinking in black and white was a conservative and Republicans attribute.

Really, too many Liberals and Democrats are not much different. Things are either black or white, you either agree with them, exactly, or you are an idiot.

I think that "complaining" about things that have not even happened yet, or things that are over and done really sounds more like whining. It's like a football game where I complain all week about the decision by the coach of my favorite team to start a different quarterback on Sunday and then complain all the next week about the team's loss on Sunday. That's not complaining, it's whining in the guise of discussion.

[ellacott]

25. I agree

I like your analogy. I am from Cleveland and a Browns fan. When Art Modell took our team to Baltimore it caused outrage from Brown's backers across the country. We waged a campaign to get a new team but we wanted our name and our history to stay in Cleveland. We prevailed and got a new team. That was an example about complaining and getting results.

For the first 2 few seasons there would be protesters at that would go to Baltimore and picket the games. Even after we got our team back they would still travel to Baltimore and picket. Some of the Baltimore fans finally told the picketers to stop whining. They told them that they have their team back and Baltimore fans hadn't had a team in over 20yrs. I never heard about any protesters after that.

We have been outside of power for the last 8 years and I don't think many know how to handle it now that we are back in power. I think they're afraid that we're going to somehow mess up.

[Dawgs]

30. +1

[dmallind]

8. The problem is

Multiple punctuation marks and comparing Obama choosing thoroughly Democratic and experienced cabinet picks who just happen to be less than ideal for a particular poster who would prefer someone more ideological, to the idea of him banning abortion are indicative of wanting not discussion, but wanting to rant.

Obama said he wanted people who would challenge and disagree with him.

Obama said he would reach across the aisle let alone slightly to the center of his own party.

Obama said he would bring change from Bush, not change from Clinton.

And we all, I hope, including you, voted for him.

What's the reason for venting then when he does these things? Disagreement is surely fine. I'd prefer other candidates than his for all his rumored and completed picks so far, but then I don't get to make them - I just got to vote and campaign for the one who did.

[sharp_stick]

10. It is called discussion

not fucking pathetic whining which is pretty much all I see around here lately.

Personally I'm sick of people using the moronic term drink the koolaid but hey what ever floats your boat. We all have our crosses to bear.

For some reason a lot of people believed the shit that the pukes put out about Obama being the most liberal candidate in generations.

He's a centrist plain and simple, he's going to govern as a centrist. That's what he promised and I expect him to deliver on it. He's a lot closer to Clinton and the DLC than he is to Kucinich and the left wing of the Democratic Party. If you don't like it of course you are free to piss and moan all you want.

[Vote2008]

16. Ok, please post your description of whining. I bet that is your problem!! NT

[sharp_stick]

22. Whining vs Discussion Examples Just For You

Discussion: I'm not sure if I'm comfortable with Barack Obama's pick for AG because in the past he supported/did not support the following cases
1)
2)
3)

I would think that somebody like ... would be a better pick because of their opposition/support for the same cases.

Whining: What the hell is wrong with Obama? He was elected two weeks ago and hasn't yet provided me with everything I want. I know he hasn't even got any real power yet. It's the Clintons all over again. I can see into the future and IT'S BLEAK. Nothing has changed, it's republican lite.

Usually followed by a bunch of invective and idiocy such as terms and cliched phrases like "drink the koolaid" or "I bet that's your problem" projections.

For another example of whining of the "Fuck anybody that doesn't agree with me" type read your own OP for the perfect description.

[tomp]

39. example of anti-discussion style. nt

[Renew Deal]

11. It's allowing people to have their say, even the trolls

I've noticed that some people are more likely to attract attention in these "discussions."

[lamp_shade]

12. Discussion is fine with me, but when it's prompted by whining, I don't consider it a discussion. n/t

[Balderdash]

13. It's been this way since before the primaries

DU used to be a discussion board where we Democrats could talk about anything good or not so good about all of the issues. No one was sacred and no one should be sacred now. Ignore the blowhards that try to stifle discussion as best you can. We're Democrats, all of us and we don't have to walk in lockstep like the Republicans do.

[bunnies]

14. Captain Condescending, do you have a cape?

just curious.

[TexasObserver]

15. OMG! Did someone stop you from saying what you wanted to say? Let's tell Skinner!

We can't have anyone stopping you from posting what you want to say.

And are they making you read their posts, too? That's got to stop.

Give us their names, and we'll see what can be done to these horrible posters.

[high density]

18. So bring in the Freepers, in other words?

The ranting and whining about Lieberman and/or Clinton is too much. Like Harry Reid said, we will never agree with or understand why Lieberman did the things he did. Slash and burn now does nothing productive except perhaps make this forum happy for a couple of days until the next outburst from the purity trolls.

[tomp]

41. example of anti-discussion style. nt

[cali]

19. wahh. another fucking whine.

post whatever you wish, just don't expect that your opinion will go unchallenged. That's what discussion is about, genius.

Now continue on with the whining.

[tomp]

43. example of anti-discussion style. nt

[happychatter]

21. you people.... YOU people.... WHY YOU YOU YOU.... PEOPLE!!!

harumph and tut tut

[spanone]

23. 'us people' discuss....nwmhtt

[TwilightGardener]

24. I agree--I hate being shut down when I have some criticism to level--

I have spent almost two years on DU supporting Obama, I have a right to also make an occasional complaint when I disagree with him. Interestingly, I see former Hillary supporters who NEVER supported him (and in fact took every opportunity to run him down) who are now adamant that he is all-wise and all-knowing solely on the basis that Hillary is being considered for SoS, and that we shouldn't second-guess the decision. They did the same when they thought she might be VP--they LUURVE Obama only when he gives Hillary a prominent role, the rest of the time he can go to hell.

[mopinko]

26. perhaps it should have been general dicussion: whooopie we won

for a couple of weeks. cuz those of us that worked our asses off for the last 2 YEARS would have enjoyed a little time to just celebrate. and we fucking earned it.
but no, we have to have the guys who wrung their hands and cried, while we got out there and worked, in here pissing in the punch bowl.

[KittyWampus]

27. It means I state my position and everyone proceeds to agree with me

isn't it that obvious?

[WI_DEM]

28. I don't care, it's just the usual suspects who have never liked Obama that I get pissed off with

and who will never, ever give him a chance.

[tomp]

44. example of anti-discussion style. nt

[nichomachus]

29. People have been discussing

politics since the day after Og was named chief of Cave #12. It isn't going to stop now -- no matter how many self-appointed board nannies get their knickers in a knot and tell us to just shut up.

I will continue to speculate, complain, criticize, praise, whatever.

If I wanted to just hum along with the other drones and blindly praise everything that fearless leader did, I'd go to Free Republic.

[Dawgs]

31. Then quit whining and start discussing.

kay?

[woo me with science]

32. LOL!

I agree with both sides!

[unblock]

33. i came in here for an argument!

[always_saturday]

34. No shit. I don't like the term "you people" though. Otherwise agree 100%.

It's just bizarre and hypocritical how the same people who bash Hillary or other dems nonstop are the first ones to jump on ANY comment about Obama that isn't 100% worshipful.

[Lars39]

35. Some people think it means debate to the death.

Most people do look on this as a discussion board instead of debate class.

[tomreedtoon]

37. It's a combination of "dis" and "cussin'."

Anger, hatred, contempt, personal insults, and ultimately death threats. The things that make dealing with fellow human beings so interesting.

[tekisui]

38. HEY!

[sampsonblk]

42. Kick and Rec!

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

45. You people???? What the fuck you mean you people????

:+

[NoPasaran]

47. It's a discussion BOARD

Meaning watch what you say if you don't want a two by four cracked over your skull!

[Armstead]

48. You must be a Republican

:sarcasm: