The BIG THREE Automakers are not worth the cost of 12 WEEKS of the war?

[Vote2008]

They want 25 Billion, the war costs 2 billion a week. We can't spend $25 Billion on 6 million jobs but can spend $25 billion on the war the next three months?

And the GOP WANTS to stay in Iraq forever!

Something does not seem right to me.

[TomClash]

1. I am for the auto bailout under certain conditions

Employees get stock - lots of it - in return for wage and benefit trade-offs - that means everybody from CEO to the floor. Retool immediately for green, fuel efficient cars. Old stupid failed auto execs must be sacked. Jobs stay in the US - no taking the money and moving abroad to hire slave labor.

[gizmo1979]

13. Why do the workers have to

give pay gains back?Most of the jobs are skilled trade,experienced tradesmen are worth every penny.Whoever thinks they make too much money should try it sometime and let me know how it goes.

[TomClash]

16. They get a share of the company in return nt

[FrenchieCat]

2. Not without a workable plan that they should draw up and offer.

Are they worth a blank check? NO.
Could they get somewhere if they were armed with a course of Action to resurrect the Auto Industry? YES.

Problem is that auto industry management ignored the times that we live in and lived high on the SUV hog for a long time. Now, the chicken have come home to roost.

If it wasn't for the jobs that they provide, I'd kick them out on their asses.

They also need to get behind Obama's health Plan proposal....as it would save them and the employees gobs of money.

That's the problem when management are nothing more than a bunch of greedy pigs......it is the people that they manage that end up getting hurt.

They need to offer up a plan that make sense and signifies a plan into the future and not the same ol' same ol'.

[Doityourself]

15. Yeah they ignored the times..but Americans are as much at fault because many

Americans purchased those gas guzzlers! Now plenty of them act shocked and surprised that SUV's and big pickup trucks were actuallly sold and sold well, at that!

[mkultra]

3. Im only for it if the entire middle to upper managment is let go

every single one of them. then they can promote from inside.

[rucky]

4. If the plan was to get them all making armored vehicles...

they'd be all for it.

[Strawman]

5. Chris Dodd says "it's asking an awful lot." Harry Reid says "don't expect anything."

We're talking 2.5 months of Iraq. 1/28th of the Wall Street bailout.

I expect it from the GOP...

[FrenchieCat]

6. Perhaps these CEOs are learning that you don't come hat in hand

without a plan in your pocket.

CEOs are paid a lot of money. If they don't understand that you can't get something for nothing,
then they need to go.

[Strawman]

8. It's not for nothing

At minimum, it's worth it to keep a state of 10 million people afloat through this recession. To allow a soft landing for an entire region's economy rather than a hard one.

If you want to see a hard landing for the Big Three you are either insane or sadistic.

[FrenchieCat]

10. I'm not against loans to the Big three..........primarily because of the jobs involved....

My point is that the CEOs should have been armed with specific plans, and they had none.

In otherwords, I am not against them getting a check; I'm just against them getting a BLANK check.

I hope that makes sense.

CEOs make enough to come up with a plan if they wanted to.

[Strawman]

11. OK. I guess my point is that it really doesn't matter what they say

The bottom line is that money is like a lifeline to working people and alot of people are depending on it.

But you're right. The CEO's were hardly persuasive.

[samplegirl]

7. Amazing I did not hear any stipulations put upon AIG

when they came begging...should we expect the same from them???

[Tribetime]

9. I heard one of their reasons was the industry gave money to Obama's campaign

and the unions backed Obama. Some republican on CNN yesterday. That's the real reason they want to punish voters in Michigan Indiana Ohio and Pa.. I'll bet if they were located in Mississippi or Alabama it would be a different story.

[iamthebandfanman]

12. as with any corporate bailout

there are certain conditions in which i think its alright..

the first of which is the firing of all officers and executives.
the second of which is the elimination of luxury items by the company ... IE multiple private planes and the likes.. you know, shit thats unnecessary.
nothings more bastardly than hearing some corporate douche talk about how they are poor and had to lay off 20,000 people to save money and right afterwards go hop on their company private jet.


i personally think we should start taking over successful businesses such as the oil industry, instead of helping out corporate hacks who couldnt operate themselves outa a paper bag.

[RollWithIt]

14. I guess 12 weeks in Iraq is more important than 3 million American jobs... oh well...

Sad really.