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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:28 PM
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David Ignatius: "This Hillary Drama is a Self-Inflicted Wound for Obama"
He just said that in the 1600 Pennsylvannia Ave Show (MSNBC) explaining that Hillary as Obama's SOS will dissipate the good faith and the international excitement that the International community feels toward Obama as an agent of change. Furthermore, he said that Hillary carries a large entourage and there is not a close relatinship between Barack and Hillary and when she travels abroad people will have a hard time discerning whether she talking for him regarding positions and proposals or not. Ignatius said that with so many qualified candidates it is hard to believe that the Obama team has mishandled this affair after such a great General election campaign. Any thoughts?
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:29 PM
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1. I think this is her audition for the job.
So far, it's a clusterf*ck.

ld
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:30 PM
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2. Amen to that.
Edited on Wed Nov-19-08 06:31 PM by ClarkUSA
Oy.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:32 PM
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7. I'm inclined to think you're right. Maybe the Clintons were given enough rope to hang themselves.
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poetsdream Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:48 PM
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23. This makes the assumption Obama has made her an offer.

And I don't believe that is the case. This is all just typical cable news 'speculationnews', and a continuation of the Obama/Hillary 'fued'. Alas, fueds, fights and wars are all the cable news guys ever see, even when there is no clear evidence to support them.
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NHDEMFORLIFE Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:30 PM
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3. Pardon my ignorance
Who is David Ignatius and does he have an agenda? I don't get MSNBC.
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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:31 PM
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6. Novelist, columnist for, and former associate editor of The Washington Post.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:30 PM
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4. Obama has not mishandled anything. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Also, Hillary will be a good SoS, even though many here don't like her. She is a former First Lady for God Sakes. She has traveled alot overseas and knows how to get along with foreign leaders.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:31 PM
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5. Eagleburger, Kissinger, Kristol, and Buchanan support Hillary as SoS. Nuff said.
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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:32 PM
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10. Which Buchanan, Bay or Uncle Pat?
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:33 PM
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12. Brother Pat. All these smart guys must be right.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 06:27 AM
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32. +1. This feels a lot like the "support" she had from the right in the Primaries. Red Flag Redux.
It's interesting how those coming out against her as SoS are quickly dismissed while the high-profile, Hard-Right endorsements are ignored.

I don't care about the Team of Rivals theory - at the end of the day, you can't know what's in someone else's mind, especially when they'd campaigned so hard to be the one to call the shots. 100% trust is not a guarantee. The more 'rivals' you bring into the fold, the more you put the theory to the test, and the greater the chance that the theory might fail.

I hope that at best, this really was a trial balloon leak and that Obama and his team are taking note.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:32 PM
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8. I agree. I just don't understand why? with so many other qualified out there
why start this drama?

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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:38 PM
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17. kerry or richardson would have already accepted - but not hillary
really bad judgment on obama's end.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:41 PM
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20. Its just hard to understand, why he would even go in this direction
I'm just surprised by this
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 06:00 AM
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30. he will regret doing this - if he doesn't already.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:32 PM
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9. Looks like media inflicted drama to me.
Has he even made the offer yet?
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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:33 PM
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11. The MSM said: Yes
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:38 PM
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16. That's not what CNN online says right now.
IS something else on TV?
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:40 PM
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19. Did you watch Obama's 60 Minutes interview? When asked about
his cabinet picks, he didn't answer, and told Steve Croft that he would announce "soon". All these "leaks" & speculation by the M$M don't amount to a hill-o-beans. Can't we just wait?
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:39 PM
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18. "Associates of Hillary...and her husband say...Obama wants her to be Secretary of State"
Edited on Wed Nov-19-08 06:41 PM by ClarkUSA
CHICAGO – Associates of Hillary Rodham Clinton and her husband say the former first lady is weighing whether to leave the
Senate and become secretary of state, believing the job is hers if she wants it.

Obama transition officials say other candidates have been vetted for the job, but the New York senator has emerged as the
leading contender and the vetting of former president Bill Clinton has been particularly intense. Associates say Hillary Clinton
has been told that Obama wants her to be secretary of state... They would speak only on grounds of anonymity because of
the private nature of the negotiations.


Can't wait for another 4-8 years of self-interested Clintonian leaks and drama on the nightly news. Really.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:45 PM
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22. Amen. This whole thing was orchestrated by Clinton insiders, just like the
VP choice speculation. All these Neocons coming out in favor of her appointment makes me a little nervous, and quite honestly, a bit queazy. I mean, Henry Kissinger, ferchrissakes...that alone should set off all kinds of alarm bells for the Obama team.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:53 PM
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26. Yup.
Edited on Wed Nov-19-08 06:54 PM by ClarkUSA
Read this for more analysis of what's happening.

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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 05:59 AM
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29. the clintons are a living, breathing media drama
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:37 PM
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13. Oh, Ignatz!!
Edited on Wed Nov-19-08 06:39 PM by TexasObserver
You say it like anyone cares what this guy thinks.
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:37 PM
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14. yep.
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political_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:37 PM
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15. So much for the" keeping one's enemies" closer meme. Trust is the key here.
Edited on Wed Nov-19-08 06:39 PM by political_Dem
Can Hillary and her husband be trusted to not exploit the position for themselves? Will they work for the greater good of the country? Will they truly carry out what Mr. Obama wants them to do?

Judging from their past actions, career and behavior, should they even be trusted with being in a rival's administration?

If Mr. Obama is serious about having Hillary in his cabinet, it's about time for him to hire a food taster.
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watrwefitinfor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:45 PM
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21. Isn't the SoS way up in the presidential succession? n/t
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:50 PM
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24. I think it's #4 n/t
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political_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:51 PM
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25. Sure. The Sec. of State is fourth in line, I think.
Edited on Wed Nov-19-08 06:53 PM by political_Dem
Which means, that trust is a very big deal. That's why having a "cabinet of rivals" could prove to be a stupid move--especially when Mr. Obama is a high profile target.

Btw, here is the http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_succ.html">line of succession.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 07:01 PM
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27. he did say
Edited on Wed Nov-19-08 07:01 PM by ErinBerin84
that he thought she would be great in nearly any cabinet position other than SOS...I agreed with some of the things that he said.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 07:02 PM
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28. No it's not.
Fail.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 06:02 AM
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31. NEW NAME
DAvid Ignoramus.

What a moran.
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