Clinton is a good SoS choice. Daschle is a bad HHS choice.

[Guaranteed]

One is strong. One is weak (while an early Obama backer).



Don't know how many of you remember Daschle, but Obama is supposedly trying to put the strongest people possible in his cabinet. If that's the case, Daschle is a ridiculously bad choice.

[msongs]

1. ummm, feel free to tell us why he is a bad choice? nt

[Guaranteed]

3. Like I said, because he's weak as hell.

The original vichy Dem.

He led the Democrats in the Senate on the IWR.

[blm]

6. No - Bill Clinton led the senate on IWR - he used his position and access to Iraq info to persuade

DC Dems, and especially senate Dems to back Bush on Iraq.

Bill was weak for being a tool for Bushes. Daschle and other senators got the backlash while Bill was backslapping Bush all the way to Iraq.

Daschle was guilty of believing Bill Clinton's persuasive arguments about the dangers of Iraq and believing it in the post 9-11 media climate we all lived in.

Since then he has quietly backed Obama since 2005 along with Durbin and Kerry. They saw that Clintons' stranglehold on the party had to be broken. Look who prevailed.

Obama would never have become the nominee without Daschle-Durbin-Kerry using their national networks for him and against Clintons' team. Some of you think that national network appeared in a vacuum. It didn't.

[FrenchieCat]

10. The original Vichy Dem was Dick Gephardt in the House......

If you didn't know.

Daschle was no worse than Hillary and Kerry and Biden and 'em in reference to the IWR.

[blm]

22. Daschle and DC Dems were urged by BILL Clinton who claimed that info he saw on Iraq was reason to

support Bush on Iraq war.

And there were some VERY PROMINENT DIFFERENCES between Hillary and Kerry on Iraq - They both voted for the IWR promising to keep Bush accountable....Kerry sided WITH the weapon inspectors who were proving force was not needed and he did so before, during and after the invasion. Hillary and Bill sided with Bush's decision to invade, and Bill used his summer2004 booktour to vigorously DEFEND Bush's decisions on terrorism and Iraq war even as Kerry, the Dem nominee by then, was leading the left's attack on those decisions.

Hillary was no different in her position than Lieberman and she stayed on that page until Joe lost his primary race in 2006. Then she and Bill shifted their rhetoric a bit to the left for her presidential primary race. In fact, Bill then lied his ass off and claimed he was always against the war. Daschle scoffed publicly at that load of BS.

[Thrill]

2. Oh please.

[Guaranteed]

4. Were you not around or something six years ago?

You're telling me you've already forgotten this guy?

[secondwind]

9. some DUers are younger than we think..............

[Thrill]

15. I'm 42. And Daschle was a weak Majority Leader

but that has nothing to do with being HHS.

[IsItJustMe]

33. No weaker than Harry. LOL

[blm]

38. Daschle should have STOOD AGAINST Bill Clinton who was urging DC Dems to support Bush on Iraq

Daschle should have KNOWN Bill was lying to Dems about the Iraq info he saw as president as much as Bush was lying to the public about Iraq info.


Of course, we all knew that at the time...right?

[CreekDog]

5. former Majority Leader as HHS secretary?

why on earth would he put a former Majority Leader in such a spot to pass universal health care?

what on earth is Obama thinking??? :eyes: :sarcasm:

doof.

[Guaranteed]

8. You mean a horrible Majority Leader.

A ridiculously bad Majority Leader that allowed Senate Democrats to get steamrolled.

[CreekDog]

14. who is better to get it through the Senate with the most votes?

who?

i think you are confusing the game to win here. remember how Hillary told House Democrats who opposed the Clinton health care plan, "we will destroy you." how'd that turn out?

Obama's playing this smarter already.

[blm]

30. The DC Dems were being steamrolled because BILL CLINTON urged them to support Bush on Iraq

and used his PRIVILEGED POSITION as the last Dem president with access to detailed info on Iraq. Guess what? Bill was lying about Iraq WMDs to Dem lawmakers in private every bit as much as Bush was lying to the American people.

[secondwind]

7. Tom Daschle is a terrific -- TERRIFIC -- choice. n/t

[peace frog]

27. Absolutely correct

Excellent choice.

[meow mix]

11. Daschle, finally... a good choice.

wooooot

[cherokeeprogressive]

12. Call me crazy, I was hoping for a Dr. to head HHS. n/t

[blueclown]

13. Daschle's job is to get Obama's universal health care proposal through Congress.

There are very few people who have the knowledge of the insides and outside of Congress and what makes it tick like Tom Daschle.


Daschle knows which arms need to be twisted.

This is a terrific choice.

[leftstreet]

19. Please stop calling it "universal health care" - it's universal insurance coverage n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. In what way is Clinton stronger than Daschle?

[Engineer4Obama]

17. An administration full of "Strong" bad cops isn't gonna get much done.

Its hard to work with people when you are constantly being adversarial to them. Also I believe that no matter who gets into a House or Senate Majority Leader/Speaker position we are gonna to find a way to call them weak, unless of course they are some liberal reflection of Newt Gingrich.

[David Zephyr]

18. Agree and agree.

Hillary will be a very good S.O.S.

Tom Daschle and his corrupt lobbyist wife, Linda, bring dishonor to Obama's bright star.

I simply have nothing but contempt for Daschle. Nothing can change that.

[blm]

21. You think Linda made more money lobbying than Bill made lobbying for Dubai Ports Deal?

You think Daschle protected BushInc more than Clintons did?

It takes a WEAK person to carry water for Poppy Bush and his global fascist cronies.

[Skwmom]

29. You nailed it, again. Great posts.

[Jennicut]

20. I like Daschle and he is very fond of Obama. He was there from day one as an advisor

I love how people think Obama is stupid when he only revolutionized the way a politician gets elected and reaches out to people using new media. A dumb one that Barack.

[phleshdef]

23. BS. Daschle has a wealth of knowledge of the healthcare cause and supports a progressive HC agenda.

Period. He is a GREAT choice. And its not exactly a position that you need a "tough guy" for anyways.

[Skwmom]

24. I'll take Daschle over Clinton ANY day of the week.

You need team players and Clinton doesn't seem to play well with others.

[SIMPLYB1980]

25. !

:crazy:

[Honeycombe8]

26. Need more background why you think Daschle is weak. Why you think Clinton strong. nt

[IsItJustMe]

35. Clinton yells louder. That, in my book, is not a good reason at all.

[TwilightGardener]

28. Opposite. Clinton bad, Daschle good--for their respective proposed positions.

[lessthanjake1234]

31. It's not about strength

Obama has the strength needed. What he needs Daschle for is to use his Senate connections to get Obama's plan passed. No one is in a better position to do that than Daschle.

[Ozma]

32. Oh yes, THIS is just another mindless thread ... with no rationale

Tell us how "strong" Hillary Clinton is... how many laws she has introduced, sheparded through, and got adopted? Care to do the same for Daschle?

Google it, OKAY?

[Zhade]

34. Someone who fell for the WMD lies is a good choice for SoS?

:rofl:

[karynnj]

36. Not really

Daschle did a great job in the late 1990s - in spite of the fact that the Seante was heavily Republican. His quiet diplomacy often built alliances. That will be what is needed to pass things.

No, I am not going to say HRC is weak - she is clearly strong willed. I don't see anything in the Seanet where she really stood against power though.

[mmonk]

37. You should give Daschle a chance.

He is very motivated and will do well.