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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:21 AM
Original message
Obama needs to send a TOMAHAWK right up Zawahiri's ass!
Edited on Thu Nov-20-08 10:52 AM by redstate_democrat
How fucking insulting that a terrorist cave dwelling scumbag would have the nerve to call President Obama, leader of the free world, a "house negro". And say the same thing about Powell and Rice. I don't care what Rice and Powell have done, they are still Americans and these fucking TERRORIST motherfuckers have no room to be calling them anything, let alone "house negro".

I'm almost wondering if this shit is fake or not.

"house negro"? :wtf: I get pissed every time I think about it.

On Edit: I was told that we don't use SCUDS but we do use Tomahawk missiles.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:27 AM
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1. Haven't we killed AlQaida's Number Two Guy about a hundred times already?
It seems like we were taking out the "number two" guy about every three or four days for a while.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #1
4. No, that is number 3.
We keep taking out the number 3.

No. 1 and No. 2 stays the same.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:30 AM
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8. No, we keep killing the number 2 guy, and occasionally a number 3.
Sometimes we kill someone who is the equivalent of a "lieutenant" or a "web developer" or "communications director / wedding videographer" or "personal chauffeur."

It's the #1 guy who is managing to stay alive despite being tied to daily dialysis treatments.

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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #8
18. Correct.
These #2 guys keep popping out of Willy Wonka's chocolate factory so fast that Lucy can't keep up with the conveyor belt of them! :rofl:
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icnorth Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #18
58. Offing the #2 guy gets a little murky by times.
Edited on Thu Nov-20-08 11:43 AM by icnorth
For example, Abu al-Zarqawi got himself killed on about four separate occasions along with multiple captures and escapes; and he did it all on a wooden leg. :-)
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 12:35 AM
Response to Reply #58
92. I don't want Obama to start acting like George Bush and have a knee jerk reaction and start throwing
bombs every time Al Quada tries to pull Obama's chain in the media.


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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:57 AM
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32. All right,then, it won't be too hard for you to find a lot of articles, won't it?
Go ahead and try.

I understand the sarcasm. We do keep killing number 3 all the time.

But Ayman and Osama have always been No. 2 and No. 1 respectively.

Nothing wrong with being factually correct when you make sarcastic comments. In fact, it helps your purpose.

Go for it! Bring back links to all this articles where we keep killing the No. 2 guy. I'm waiting.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #32
35. Here
Edited on Thu Nov-20-08 11:01 AM by IanDB1
Results 1 - 10 of about 351,000 for al qaeda number 2 killed. (0.23 seconds)
Search Results

1.
No. 2 Leader of Al-Qaeda in Iraq Killed - washingtonpost.com
BAGHDAD, Oct. 15 -- The US military on Wednesday announced the death of a man it described as the No. 2 leader of the Sunni insurgent group al-Qaeda in ...
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/15/AR2008101500682.html - Similar pages - Note this
2.
AFP: Al-Qaeda's Iraq number two killed: US military
Al-Qaeda's Iraq number two killed: US military. Oct 15, 2008. BAGHDAD (AFP) — The US military said on Wednesday that a foreign insurgent killed in the main ...
afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hpM3QWpuiAHL53vJ_fVqFuYGk1PA - Similar pages - Note this
3.
AFP: Al-Qaeda number two killed by US was Swedish
Oct 16, 2008 ... KIRKUK, Iraq (AFP) — Abu Qaswarah, described as Al-Qaeda's number two in Iraq who was killed earlier this month by the US military, ...
afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5j3Bbn_CLW6mO2AMdj8L-ywi8FT-w - Similar pages - Note this
4.
The Raw Story | Al-Qaeda's Iraq number two killed: US military
Oct 15, 2008 ... Al-Qaeda's Iraq number two killed: US military ... of Mosul this month has been identified as Abu Qaswarah, Al-Qaeda's number two in Iraq. ...
rawstory.com/news/afp/Al_Qaeda_s_Iraq_number_two_killed_U_10152008.html - 20k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
5.
Al-Qaeda's Iraq number two killed: US military - Yahoo! News
The US military said on Wednesday that a foreign insurgent killed in the main northern Iraqi city of Mosul this month has been identified as Abu Qaswarah, ...
news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081015/wl_mideast_afp/iraqunrestqaeda_081015193945 - 81k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
6.
US military: No. 2 al-Qaida in Iraq leader killed - Yahoo! News
American soldiers killed the alleged No. 2 leader of al-Qaida in Iraq, ... The number of Christian families escaping violence in Mosul since last week has ...
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081015/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq - 79k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
More results from news.yahoo.com »
7.
CNN.com - Sources: Airstrike may have killed bin Laden's No. 2 ...
Ayman al-Zawahiri -- Osama bin Laden's right-hand man in the al Qaeda terrorist network -- was the ... Sources: Airstrike may have killed bin Laden's No. 2 ...
www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/13/alqaeda.strike/index.html - 39k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
8.
Al-Qaeda in Iraq's number two leader killed
Al-Qaeda in Iraq's number two leader killed By Multi-National Division - Baghdad PAO Oct 15, 2008 - 10:09:04 AM, Email this article · Printer friendly page ...
www.blackanthem.com/News/iraqi-freedom/Al-Qaeda-in-Iraq-s-number-two-leader-killed18727.shtml - 38k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
9.
Al-Qaeda's Iraq number two killed: US military | theage.com.au
The US military says a foreign insurgent killed in the main northern Iraqi city of Mosul this month has been identified as Abu Qaswarah, al-Qaeda's number ...
www.theage.com.au/world/alqaedas-iraq-number-two-killed-us-military-20081016-51wa.html - Similar pages - Note this
10.
Al Qaeda in Iraq&squo;s number two &squo;killed&squo; | Herald Sun
Sep 14, 2006 ... Al Qaeda in Iraq's number two 'killed'. Article from: Reuters. Font size: Decrease Increase; Email article: Email; Print article: Print ...
www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20414559-5005961,00.html - Similar pages - Note this

http://www.google.com/search?q=al+qaeda+number+2+killed&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS269US269


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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #35
39. Do you understand the difference between Al Qaeda in Iraq and Al Qaeda?
Two different although related groups.

Try again.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:05 AM
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42. It's become a cliche that we keep killing the "number two" guy over and over...
... according to the U.S. press.

Whether or not the number two guys we keep killing over is actually ever the ACTUAL number two guy is not the point I was trying to make.

I'm not questioning that whatsisname was ever killed, nor that he's the actual number 2 guy.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #42
43. The inability to pay attention to what's being said may be the basis for the cliche
but there's no reason to indulge in them.

I take it you're not going to find me any articles that say the position of Al Qaeda's No. 2 keeps getting killed over and over.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:12 AM
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45. For At Least The Third Time, Officials Take Down A ‘No. 2" Leader Of Al Qaeda In Iraq
Edited on Thu Nov-20-08 11:12 AM by IanDB1
Today, the Pentagon announced that American troops had killed Abu Qaswarah, the No. 2 leader of al Qaeda in Iraq, in a raid in Mosul. U.S. military officials hailed the death of Qaswarah, also known as Abu Sara, as “a major disruption to the terror network, particularly in northern Iraq,” according to the AP.

However, this is at least the third time that U.S. officials have announced the capture/killing of a “No. 2″ leader of al Qaeda in Iraq in the past few years. On each occasion — including when they killed the No. 1 leader — they similarly hailed it as a major victory:

Sept. 2005: U.S. and Iraqi officials announce that they killed al Qaeda in Iraq’s No. 2 leader — Abdallah Najim Abdallah Mohammed al-Juwari, known as Abu Azzam. A spokesman for Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari said that Azzam’s death was a “painful blow” to al Qaeda.

June 2006: U.S. and Iraqi officials announce that they have killed Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the No. 1 leader of al Qaeda in Iraq. President Bush called his death a “severe blow” to the terrorist group.

Sept. 2006: Iraqi authorities capture Hamed Jumaa Farid al-Saeedi, known as Abu Humam or Abu Rana, al Qaeda in Iraq’s No. 2 leader. Iraqi national security adviser Mouwafak al-Rubaie said that the arrest left the terrorist organization suffering a “serious leadership crisis.” “Our troops have dealt fatal and painful blows to this organization,” he added.

Al Qaeda continues to remain resilient in the face of these attacks from the U.S. military, who are trying to undo a situation created by Bush’s invasion. No matter how many times troops kill top leaders, new ones emerge, because the insurgency continues to be, in part, fueled by the U.S. occupation. As counterterrorism analyst Evan Kohlmann said in 2005, “If I had a nickel for every No. 2 and Nov. 3 they’ve arrested or killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, I’d be a millionaire.” Similarly, the AP wrote in March:

More:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/15/no-2-al-qaeda/

Yes, I know... this is Al Qaeda in Iraq, NOT the actual Al Qaeda.

Do you know how much stuff there is on the web to search through about Al Qaeda that I'd have to look at just to find what you want me to?

It's easier for me to just concede defeat and say okay, you were right and I was wrong, or else I won't have time to download any porn today.

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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #45
61. And as you pointed out, AQI is not the same as Al Qaeda. n/t
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backwoodsbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #35
83. 5 on the list of links are different stories
about the same event.

Check the dates on the articles
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #32
44. More
The Excited Rantings of a Diehard Democrat and Aaron Sorkin Fan ...
Al Qaeda Number Two killed again. Dec. 24th, 2006 at 7:23 PM. Dear President Bush: Merry Christmas. That's awesome news that another Al Qaeda number two has ...
www.kassandra-w.livejournal.com/23142.html - 18k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this



Also:

Results 1 - 10 of about 2,870 for Al qaeda "number two" killed again -"in Iraq" -Zawahiri. (0.25 seconds)
Search Results

1.
Al Qaeda number two &squo;still alive&squo; | Herald Sun
... that al Qaeda number two, Ayman al Zawahri, might have been killed or wounded in ... "Zawahri has been killed by them several times. But once again this ...
www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24119124-5005961,00.html - Similar pages - Note this
2.
Discourse.net: Comment on Yet Another 'Al-Qaeda Number Two' Captured
- 12:05pm
how many al-qaeda #2's are there? i know we've killed or captured dozens and ... has finally stepped in # 2 after trying to pull this lie over on us again. ...
www.discourse.net/mt/mt-commt.cgi?entry_id=3482 - 7k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
3.
Weasel Zippers: Report: US Missile Attack Killed Senior al-Qaeda ...
Oct 18, 2008 ... Report: US Missile Attack Killed Senior al-Qaeda Leader, Egyptian Man ... One day I would like to read that number one and number two have ...
www.weaselzippers.net/.../report-us-missile-attack-killed-senior-al-qaeda-leader-egyptian-man-considered-number-... - 32k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
4.
- Al Qaida's number 2 in Yemen may be freed soon
Nov 20, 2006 ... An alleged Al Qaida number two in Yemen may be freed in December, ... of those martyrs who were killed in the 1994 civil war of Yemen, ...
www.almotamar.net/en/1579.htm - 60k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
5.
Same Shiite, Different Country - Bahamas Issues Bahamian ...
15 posts - Last post: Oct 27
... get a cryptic headline, like Al Qaeda number two killed in Pakistan, ... was no Al Qaida killed. Once again, women and FOUR children. ...
www.bahamasissues.com/showthread.php?t=19225 - 25k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
6.
Brits give Yemen an OK, other governments urged to follow suit ...
Aug 21, 2008 ... Yemen is once again safe for “responsible travelers,” according to the ... that Hamza al Quaiti, al-Qaeda in Yemen’s number two, was killed, ...
www.eturbonews.com/4516/brits-give-yemen-ok-other-governments-urged-follow-suit - 38k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
7.
HERE WE GO AGAIN: 'US missiles' hit Pakistan village - War on ...
HERE WE GO AGAIN: 'US missiles' hit Pakistan village ... that up to 14 fighters were killed when the missile strike destroyed an al-Qaeda training camp. ...
www.zimbio.com/War+on+Terrorism/articles/1206/GO+AGAIN+missiles+hit+Pakistan+village - 50k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
8.
TV3 > News > Story > Six killed after car bomb explodes outside ...
There was no immediate claim of responsibility, though suspicion quickly fell on al-Qaeda. As recently as April, the terror network's Number two, ...
www.tv3.co.nz/News/Story/tabid/209/articleID/58016/cat/41/Default.aspx - 44k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
9.
BBC NEWS | South Asia | Pakistan 'secret agents killed'
Mar 27, 2007 ... In January, at least 13 people were killed when American forces struck three compounds, apparently after reports that al-Qaeda number two ...
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6500701.stm - 51k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
10.
Al Qaeda Regaining Former Strength?
Mistake number two, getting distracted. The United States ousted the Taliban and chased al Qaeda into Pakistan. But then it shifted its focus and manpower ...
www.cnponline.org/ht/display/ContentDetails/i/1268 - 23k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS269US269&q=Al+qaeda+%22number+two%22++killed+again+-%22in+Iraq%22+-Zawahiri&btnG=Search



See also:

Results 1 - 10 of about 315 for Another Al qaeda "number two" AND "killed again" -"in Iraq" -Zawahiri. (0.63 seconds)
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #8
52. Getting that web developer really set them back. Fookin' savages, we are.....
Edited on Thu Nov-20-08 11:24 AM by cliffordu
:rofl:
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #4
81. What number is Mullah Omar?
We never captured or killed him yet (or is he not considered to be a "number" since he is technically with the Taliban?)
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #81
82. Omar isn't with Al Qaeda, as you pointed out.
All I'm asking is the correct application of the cliche. Being sloppy with it makes people sound like they don't see these groups as threats.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 12:25 AM
Response to Reply #82
89. Huh???????
What are you suggesting? :shrug:
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #1
9. I also wonder about that.
We've killed so many Al Qaida #2's, 3's, 4,5,6 or whatever it seems like these bastards just keep coming out of the woodwork. Blow the whole fucking cave/mountain up ferchrissakes. I'm sick and tired of these bastards, already.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #9
11. FYI: The "cave complex" is actually a CIA-built facility almost comparable to Cheyenne Mountain...
... or the underground bunker system we built in The Philippines during WWII.

It's less like Laurel Caverns than it is like Stargate Command.
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RedLetterRev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #11
31. Or perhaps
the Greenbrier. Nothin' fancy, but they call it home.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:27 AM
Response to Original message
2. Nope that is what Bush would do. . .
. . .Obama will let Zawarhiri have his fun and watch as the world, which celebrated his election, rallies around Obama.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #2
10. Exactly. al Qaeda's statement shows them as weak and desperate--and now we have
the world on our side again.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #10
36. I think it was absolutely great what they said. LOL Made my day.
I want to see the assholes who keep saying Obama is a radical terrorist report the news that radical terrorists are calling Obama a House Negro. ha ha. I love it. Al Qaeda is a bunch of clowns and clearly Bin Laden is dead.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #36
47. They forgot to make fun of his ears. n/t
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:28 AM
Response to Original message
3. Being a terrorist is bad enough. But being a RACIST on top of it is inexcusable.
Edited on Thu Nov-20-08 10:31 AM by IanDB1
You would think Bin Laden would be able to afford to send his underlings to some kind of sensitivity training.

When we capture his ass, he'll not only have to face a military tribunal, but he'll also have to answer to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #3
15. LOL
Doesn't Zawahiri know Al Sharpton will form a group and march and picket right up the crack of his terrorist ass? So we got a racist terrorist motherfucker on our hands, now. Isn't that fucking special.

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #15
21. AND it may surprise people to know that Al Qaeda doesn't allow gay people to join their ranks. n/t
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:44 AM
Response to Reply #21
24. Well that's just unacceptable.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #3
49. Hey, IanDb1, they did use the politically correct term.
The real phrase is "House Nxxxxr". So I wouldn't exactly call them racists. LOL
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #3
70. lol! They touched on Al Qaieda's racist policies on MSM yesterday
Edited on Thu Nov-20-08 11:55 AM by Truth Hurts A Lot
:crazy: Allegedly Africans get paid less for the same job done by Arabs or something? :crazy:
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #70
73. I heard that too. I was like, wtf?
Do they have an EEO officer in their Human Resource department or what?

Isn't it a shame we have so much information on the employment practices of Al Qaeda but apparently we haven't been able to catch or kill these people in 7 years. Why not just find out who's processing the paycheck, meet the Al Qaeda dudes at the check cashing place, and arrest them?

Simple shit. Why am I not director of the CIA or Defense Department? :P
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #73
74. exactly! lol nt
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #70
77. Black terrorists only get 62 virgins when they get to heaven. n/t
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EconomicLiberal Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:28 AM
Response to Original message
5. Isn't reccomending this type of action that the type of cowboy diplomacy
that we bashed Bush for for 8 years?
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:39 AM
Response to Reply #5
19. I'm with Obama on this.
He said we should take out these motherfuckers whenever we have the opportunity. I'm with that.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #19
23. Is that a quote from Obama? n/t
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #23
25. LOL
Yes, that's a direct quote. Unfortunately, I can't find the source. But I'm sure I heard him correctly :P
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #23
37. It's not a direct quote, but surely you remember the comments about taking out Osama in Pakistan?
John McCain made a lot of hay out of Obama saying that, but he remained firm. If we can take the shot, and Pakistan "cannot or will not" do it, we will.
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EconomicLiberal Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #19
54. I agree with Obama.
But overreacting to comments from clowns like these people are the same types of reactions that we lambasted Bush about for years.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:28 AM
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6. We don't use SCUD's but a Tomahawk would do the job. n/t
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 09:04 AM
Response to Reply #6
96. Only if we have an accurate geographic position
to target the weapong at.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:28 AM
Response to Original message
7. He actually used the expression
Edited on Thu Nov-20-08 10:44 AM by edwardlindy
"house boy" which I guess is six of one and half a dozen of the other when it comes to derogatory statements. The subtle change from the exact expression he actually used is a bit of a mystery - something to do with whoever created the subtitles in english. As far as I'm aware the published expression cannot be said in that way in arabic and BBC news actually used the "boy " one : not the other one.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:45 AM
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26. That explains a bit -
Edited on Thu Nov-20-08 10:46 AM by NCevilDUer
I would not expect them to be so familiar with US history to be aware of the slavery caste system, in which the 'house negro' held the top position.

But 'house boy' was a very common phrase used by British colonialists for the docile house servant in south Asia - when the Brits ruled from Burma to Afghanistan. Also, of course, used in other British colonies, such as Egypt and the Palestinian Mandate, East Africa, etc. And while 'house negro' still has resonance in the US, it is from a system that ended 150 years ago, as compared with British colonialism ending 60 years ago.

When they say 'house boy', they are thinking of the British Raj and Gunga Din, not Uncle Tom.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:47 AM
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29. They have an American working in their communications department. I forget his name though. n/t
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:03 AM
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40. I think you might be right there
and the change of word would have been done maliciously to intentionally annoy even further.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:04 AM
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41. He was quoting Malcolm X. The video of Malcolm X saying house negro is in the al qaeda tape.
It's not that hard to believe.
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 03:19 PM
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80. I was wondering the same thing....I was actually
surprised that he would know the difference.
This makes more sense.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:33 AM
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12. Wrong--we need to let them yammer on and demonstrate their desperation. The world is with us
again and we can defeat aQ without firing a single shot--just let them talk.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:34 AM
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13. Disgusting and racist
I hope black Muslims in Africa and people of color in every land heard the disgusting racist tone of this and decided that Al Queda are not their friends.

Zawahiri did nothing to advance his cause, he merely showed his stupidity.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:45 AM
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27. If there can be Gay, Black, poor, or Jewish Republicans, Al Quaeda can still recruit Black People.nt
Edited on Thu Nov-20-08 10:45 AM by IanDB1
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:53 AM
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68. Ummm anyone who already thinks they are great guys isn't going to be upset by the commnent
They aren't exactly known for their stances on race and tolerance of any kind.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:35 AM
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14. sticks and stones.....
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:37 AM
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16. #2 Guy is appropriate.
Edited on Thu Nov-20-08 10:38 AM by liberalmuse
What a cowardly shit. I think the new #2 is Al Qaida's equivalent of Bush. Just another dick-waving asshat.

Oh yeah, and I'm still not convinced that these tapes aren't a little bit of puppet theatre courtesy of the Bush administration. The tone is just way too familiar.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:43 AM
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22. I've been thinking the same thing, but am not sure.
The shit is just too bizarre and stupid. It's almost like a fucking spoof. "house negro"? Really? REALLY?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:37 AM
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17. Obama should let Rahm do it.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:47 AM
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28. LOL Rahmbo.
There is just so much material here.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 06:10 PM
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86. Paging all Photoshoppers...
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Phoonzang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:42 AM
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20. Eh let him spew whatever he wants. He knows after 8 years of Bush someone's in office
that's actually going to come for his ass.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:50 AM
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30. Exactly
I especially found the part about Iraq and Afghanistan VERY telling. He's scared out of his mind. Now we have someone in office who is SERIOUS about going after them. I'm sure Obama won't fuck up and allow them to escape when we have actionable intelligence. Bush was the best thing that ever happened to them. Obama will be the worst thing to happen to them.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:58 AM
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33. The only thing worse for Al Qaeda than President Obama would have been President Jonathon Sharkey.nt
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:02 AM
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38. Oh my!
:scared:
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:00 AM
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34. I'm right with you here.
Al Qaeda has been a major problem, along with other radical Islamic terrorist groups. I'm glad we've finally got someone in there who's going to do something about the real problem, and I'm glad to see al-Zawahiri shaking so bad he's got to be offensive to cover up.
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This One Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:12 AM
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46. Is this guy ranked #2 in the BCS or the USA Today poll?
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:17 AM
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50. LOL
:rofl:

I hear Obama wants to eliminate the BCS, too. Doesn't look good for Zawahiri! :scared:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:15 AM
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48. DU THIS PBS POLL!!!! "Is Zawahiri qualified to be Al Qaeda's Number Two!"
Edited on Thu Nov-20-08 11:15 AM by IanDB1
"Is Zawahiri qualified to be Al Qaeda's Number Two!"
http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:19 AM
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51. LOL
:rofl:
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:21 AM
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53. This thread was a serious thread and IanDB1 hijacked it with his shenanigans.
:cry:
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:22 AM
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55. SOP for these scumbags
They're going to figure out the most upsetting, offensive thing they can say and say it. It's meaningless.

OTOH, I like the missile idea on general principle. It would be ultra-cool if we could get him and OBL on...say...1/22.
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Jazzgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:25 AM
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56. I have one question.....
Does anybody really believe Zawahri actually put this tape out? How 'bout al cia'da? I am having a problem believing he would use the term "house boy" or "house negro" or any of the stuff they said. This sounds like a tape made by Americans for Americans.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:26 AM
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57. Oh, BTW, President-ELECT Obama is not the leader of the free world.
After he takes office, he will be the President of the United States. The US is not the apex of a worldwide democratic empire. He will not lead anything but US.

You think the leaders of long established democracies world wide might occasionally take offense at being told that our president is their leader?
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:34 AM
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59. PUHLEEZE n/t
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:45 AM
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64. thank you
he's only the leader of the executive branch of the U.S. govt.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 01:18 PM
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76. And thank you
for getting the difference.

There's times I wonder if the arguments here are only between the imperialists and the slightly-less-despotic imperialists.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:52 AM
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66. I'll worry about other countries taking offense to the term
when they stop acting like the President is the leader of the free world.

If that's a delusion, it's a delusion many other countries support withtheir words and actions.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:55 AM
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71. Term's been in use for decades, and is in use worldwide. And frankly, he is.
Edited on Thu Nov-20-08 11:58 AM by Occam Bandage
The United States provides a military umbrella that ensures the immediate security of the Western democratic world. The United States economy, as the recent global crisis has shown, is still the keystone of the world economy. Other countries don't necessarily have to go along with every decision of the United States, but its global leadership role is undeniable. Any resentment would be towards that situation, not towards the informal title recognizing that situation.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:36 AM
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60. you realize we have to wait 60 days for that to happen
he's not president YET
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:40 AM
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62. Bush is planning his library. He has his bags packed and sitting by the door.
I understand we have to wait until Jan. 20th, but as far as I'm concerned, Bush hasn't been a president the entire 8 years he's been in office. Obama is president in waiting and the closest thing we have to an acting president right now.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:42 AM
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63. I agree but he still can't do that hell he doesn't even have his cabinet picked yet
:D
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:50 AM
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65. Ummmm he is a terrorist- He is a religious zealot- what did you expect?
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:52 AM
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67. I disagree. I think Al Quaeda has finally succeeded in becoming an international joke
Their comments reeked of desperation, and has no effect on our president elect.

Not only that, but I voted for Obama so he could minimize, not increase war.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 12:23 PM
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75. Most of the world is thrilled that
the US elected Obama. Alzawacko is trying to stir up some doubts as to what Obama will really bring to the world stage. I doubt calling him a "house Negro" really had much of an effect on what the world thinks of Obama. I expect the next tape to include "yo mama..."
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:54 AM
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69. "I'm almost wondering if this shit is fake or not."
Yes, it's hard to believe that blood-stained terrorists, who would happily kill--and have happily killed--thousands of innocent people to further their extremist, exclusionary, fanatical beliefs, might harbor unkind thoughts about people who were not like them. I, myself, frequently find myself wondering just how the masterminds of Sept. 11 could find it in their hearts to hate someone over something so trivial as a different ethnocultural background.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:59 AM
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72. Hard to believe, I know. How could they?
:P
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 03:17 PM
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79. The 9/11 attacks and all of Al Qaeda's attacks had their start the day Saudi Arabia allowed Bush 41
and the rest of the western world to bring troops into their country to expel Saddam from Kuwait back in 1990.

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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 03:08 PM
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78. I think that ignoring him would be the better choice. n/t
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 05:43 PM
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84. As much as I hate the war in Iraq, and want that to end ASAP,
Edited on Thu Nov-20-08 05:48 PM by backscatter712
I'm all for the war in Afghanistan. As far as I'm concerned, the answer to the question "What to do with Al Qaeda and the Taliban?" is KILL THEM.

Kill those Taliban savages. Kill those Al Qaeda terrorists, blast them to atoms, go genocidal on their asses. Don't even bother to ask for a surrender - kill them until none are left.

Bush deliberately let Al Qaeda go - he finds them more valuable alive as boogiemen than dead or brought to justice. He let Bin Laden go at Tora Bora. (I know, I'm going into Dungeon territory) He let them do 9/11. He did absolutely nothing when he was warned, when he got that memo "Bin Laden determined to attack inside the United States." because he wanted to Shock Doctrine us - that's how we got the war in Iraq (which has absolutely nothing to do with Al Qaeda), it's how we got the PATRIOT Act, it's how we blew trillions of dollars, most to Bush's buddies in Halliburton and Blackwater and other war profiteers.

At least, now that Obama's taking office, we can bring our .mil back on task.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 06:06 PM
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85. So NOW you're pissed at al Qaida?
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 06:13 PM
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87. Yeah, either 9/11 is a fraud or we should be destroying them
The lack of focus and the open borders indicate an epic snow job but if its not then the Pakistanis need to realize this is so far out of being a laughing matter that we cannot take any options off the table and that our patience with their local problems is running past thin.

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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 06:32 PM
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88. Great. Bombs away.
Just fucking great.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 12:30 AM
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90. I think the dolt's rant is hilarious, myself - like Khrushchev's shoe only without any teeth
An elderly, angry terrier, or maybe a toothless shark, always lurking, but never quite ready, to leap out and gum its victims black and blue...
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 12:33 AM
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91. but he's dead, deaded!
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 01:12 AM
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93. He's upset because Al Qaeda is losing it's best PR friend in the world
George Bush has been the #1 asset they've had since 9/11/01, and he's going, so they're desperately trying to find someone else to keep them on the news 24-7.

They're purposely trying to antagonize President-Elect Obama so that Obama keeps them front and center, and continues to waste far too much time and effort on this little band of worthless shits. They're trying to bring down another empire, and so far their plans have worked pretty well. We're now $10T in debt with nothing to show for it.

If Obama is smart (which he is), he'll lower the rhetoric and just kick ass.

David
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 06:48 AM
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94. I have every reason
to believe that this is on the agenda. However, it may be a Sidewinder or two with his and OBL's name on it.

Sidewinders are the missles carried by the Predator drones. Tomahawks must be launched from something much larger.

I fully expect that Barack will release the hounds on these guys and at some point the fragments recovered will be DNA tested to prove we got them. It could be some months after January 20, but I do not expect it to take even a year. Their days are numbered and the number is small.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:48 AM
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95. Gee, I wonder where he got such 'funny' ideas?


If you're afraid of black nationalism, you're afraid of revolution. And if you love revolution, you love black nationalism. To understand this, you have to go back to what the young brother here referred to as the house Negro and the field Negro back during slavery. There were two kinds of slaves, the house Negro and the field Negro. The house Negroes — they lived in the house with master, they dressed pretty good, they ate good because they ate his food — what he left. They lived in the attic or the basement, but still they lived near the master; and they loved the master more than the master loved himself. They would give their life to save the master's house — quicker than the master would. If the master said, "We got a good house here," the house Negro would say, "Yeah, we got a good house here." Whenever the master said "we," he said "we." That's how you can tell a house Negro.

If the master's house caught on fire, the house Negro would fight harder to put the blaze out than the master would. If the master got sick, the house Negro would say, "What's the matter, boss, we sick?" We sick! He identified himself with his master, more than his master identified with himself. And if you came to the house Negro and said, "Let's run away, let's escape, let's separate," the house Negro would look at you and say, "Man, you crazy. What you mean, separate? Where is there a better house than this? Where can I wear better clothes than this? Where can I eat better food than this?" That was that house Negro. In those days he was called a "house nigger." And that's what we call them today, because we've still got some house niggers running around here.

This modern house Negro loves his master. He wants to live near him. He'll pay three times as much as the house is worth just to live near his master, and then brag about "I'm the only Negro out here." "I'm the only one on my job." "I'm the only one in this school." You're nothing but a house Negro. And if someone comes to you right now and says, "Let's separate," you say the same thing that the house Negro said on the plantation. "What you mean, separate? From America, this good white man? Where you going to get a better job than you get here?" I mean, this is what you say. "I ain't left nothing in Africa," that's what you say. Why, you left your mind in Africa.

On that same plantation, there was the field Negro. The field Negroes — those were the masses. There were always more Negroes in the field than there were Negroes in the house. The Negro in the field caught hell. He ate leftovers. In the house they ate high up on the hog. The Negro in the field didn't get anything but what was left of the insides of the hog.

The field Negro was beaten from morning to night; he lived in a shack, in a hut; he wore old, castoff clothes. He hated his master. I say he hated his master. He was intelligent. That house Negro loved his master, but that field Negro — remember, they were in the majority, and they hated the master. When the house caught on fire, he didn't try to put it out; that field Negro prayed for a wind, for a breeze. When the master got sick, the field Negro prayed that he'd die. If someone came to the field Negro and said, "Let's separate, let's run," he didn't say, "Where we going?" He'd say, "Any place is better than here."

Speech (9 November 1963).

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Malcolm_X#Malcolm_X_Speaks_.281965.29


Powerful, true words.
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