Is this a case where the Liberals and Conservatives agree about the big three going down the tubes.

[IsItJustMe]

Damn, and I always thought that liberals were for unions. Guess I was wrong.

If that is the case, I might as well be a fricking Republican. I know lots of other people that vote for the Democrats on their union stance alone.

From reading many of the posts, I can't tell if we just have lots of trolls here or there are seriously lots of Democrats that are ready to see our auto industry be destroyed.

If that be the case, we may just be looking at a realignment of political allegiances in the next couple of years. I really don't know what to make of it.

[Fire_brand]

1. Liberals and Conservities were both opposed to the first bailout as well

both sides also agree that the MSM sucks, but for opposite reasons

[scheming daemons]

2. Sigh... here we go again with the "Democrats and Republicans are the same" crapola....

The mentality that brought us Bush in 2000.

[HereSince1628]

3. Everyone agrees they need to restructure...everything.

and the best way to make sure that they do that is to have them go into Chapter 11 to restructure.

Once they get into Chap 11 the Gov't can work with them to get them loans.

[Pithlet]

10. Chapter 11 won't allow them to restructure successfully.

It will only reinforces the bad decisions that got them into this mess to begin with. And that's even assuming they can even claim Chapter 11 successfully and survive it to begin with. Everyone is just assuming this is even an option.

[HereSince1628]

11. Ch 11 will force them to restructure

The people that run the auto industry still think they run the gov't. If they get money before they commit to restructuring there will be no restructuring.

An option for ALL American industry is value-added tax on imports and bilateral trade agreements that generate BALANCE. With less than 2% of the country employed in grain production exporting maize, wheat and rice does most of the country little good.

[joeglow3]

4. Not all union actions are great

I am a huge supporter of unions. While my profession has no unions, my father has spent 35 years in the construction worker's union. That said, I don't just assume that if a union does it, supports it, etc. then I support it. The simple fact of the matter is that GM CANNOT pay the benefits promised under the UAW contract. This is not about politics, but simple economics. You cannot give up a $1,000+ pricing difference with your competitors before you even lift a finger on a new car and compete. I do think the executives need to be hit hard (pay, private jets, personal dining areas, etc.) That said, that will still not get the company even close to being competitive. While the union still needs to be around, they also need to approach the current state of affairs with some common sense.

[TheKentuckian]

5. Liberal, conservative, moderate, or whatever

I reserve the option of calling you a near treasonous asshole for wanting to devastate the broader economy over your lame principles and questionable logic and displace millions more American workers in a clusterfuck of an economy.

One group wants to punish fatcats the other wants to kneecap the American worker both want to create the same havoc and screw the country at large over so I wish both groups get racked in the nuts equal to the misery they want to put put the families through.

Fucktards, one and all.

[wyldwolf]

6. I don't agree at all

Conservatives would rather the big 3 file for bankruptcy, risking up to a million jobs and diminishing consumer confidence in the product they may have just dropped $20,000 on. Of course, filing for bankruptcy would force the big 3 to renegotiate all their contracts - including Union ones.

Here's a hint: If we lose our footing in this industry, we will never get it back.

Better the Federal government become a partner in the industry and set closely monitored benchmarks for better fuel efficiency and, ultimately, independence from fossil fuels.

[IsItJustMe]

7. I agree. Changes need to be made. But for me and for what it is worth. allowing any of the big

three to just die, at this point, is not only insane, but foolish as well.

[Avalux]

8. I want the management of the big three to go down the tubes, not the unions -

conservatives want the opposite.

[mmonk]

9. The problem is if they go down, so does the union membership,

not to mention all of the offshoot automotive businesses. It could be quite a little landslide.