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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 12:32 PM
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Regarding Brent Scowcroft
CNN has reported that Brack Obama has been in contact with Brent Scowcroft. I thought it might be worth reviewing quotes from two books, which have to do with Scowcroft, and which might shed light on why President-elect Obama is in contact with him.

{1} "Brent called me when he received the article. He kindly asked if he could ‘take it over to the White House,’ only about two blocks from his downtown office. He said that he thought senior officials ought to read the views of somebody who actually had experience in Iraq and with Saddam’s government. By this, I took him to mean that he intended to share it with national security adviser, Dr. Condoleezza Rice, or her deputy, Stephen Hadley."
--Joseph Wilson; The Politics of Truth; 2004; page 296.

Early in the Bush-Cheney administration, Scowcroft told Wilson that the neoconservatives were "right-wing nuts." When it became evident that the neoconservatives, operating under the guidance of VP Cheney, were intent upon invading Iraq, Scowcroft attempted to encourage his former student, Condi Rice, to put them in check. Rice, as national security adviser to the president, was in a position that by definition should hold more influence with the president than either the VP or Secretary of Defense.

More, on August 15, 2002, Scowcroft had an article published in the Wall Street Journal, warning that a military invasion of Iraq would result in a disaster for this country. Scowcroft sought the support of James Baker III, who published a warning about a possible invasion in the Washington Post. Both men attempted to get former President Bush to talk sense to his son, George W. Bush.

{2} "Scowcroft was increasingly disappointed in the performances of those he had worked with and mentored. He considered Hadley, who had been on his NSC staff in the early 1970s, a dear friend. But Hadley would not stand up to anyone – not to Cheney or Rice, and certainly not to Rumsfeld. He wouldn’t even stand up for his own opinions.

"Even the president’s father had confided that he was unhappy with Rice. ‘Condi is a disappointment, isn’t she?’ the former president had offered, adding, ‘She’s not up to the job.’"
--Bob Woodward; State of Denial; 2006; pages 419-420.

When Bush the Elder attempted to deny making that statement after Woodward’s book was published, Scowcroft went on record saying that he absolutely had.

Conclusion: Again, as I said this morning on an OP about Senator Clinton becoming the Secretary of State, anything and everything that Barack Obama does will have both a good and bad potential. But President-elect Obama must face certain risks if he is to accomplish his goals.

Finding an end to the US war of occupation in Iraq is more likely to happen if President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton are able to coordinate their efforts with republicans who have long recognized that it was a mistake to invade to begin with. Brent Scowcroft is one of the republican elders who can influence his party to work with the democratic administration.
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 12:36 PM
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1. Scowcroft was a conservative voice of reason during the last eight years.
If Obama had to talk to Republicans about foreign policy, he could do worse.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 12:41 PM
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2. Scowcroft has no love of the neocons, he thinks they are idiots.
That in itself tells me he was trying to save his party from disaster and therefore is a voice of reason. Obama is one intelligent guy and will reach out to lots of different types of people to get advice.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 12:48 PM
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3. Brilliant brilliant move

Not that he is talking with Scowcroft - that was a given. You would be an idiot not to talk with him.


Leaking that your talking about him is brilliant. It is a signal to the adult wing of the Republican Party that they will be heard on national security affairs. This will have a huge impact on the David Brooks crowd (while I personally despise Brooks it is smart to get the old time establishment Republicans set up on a good basis).

This is part of the charm offensive that started with RE contacting Republican Congressional leaders.


Obama is splitting off the rational wing of the Republican Party and creating a division between it and the Limbaugh/Hannity/Fox nut job wing.

Divide, Seduce and Conquer - a master is at work.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 12:55 PM
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4. I've got what I need in a particular quote to say that I approve of this message!
Early in the Bush-Cheney administration, Scowcroft told Wilson that the neoconservatives were "right-wing nuts."
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 12:59 PM
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5. Scowcroft is someone that has a brain to pick
but pick doesn't mean emulate. I have no idea why it disturbs people to talk and listen to people they disagree with. I think you'd have to be an idiot not to get with people like Scowcroft, James Baker, even poppy if you can. These people have too much experience not to sift through and personal takes that can be beneficial.

Do you want these crooks running anything? No. Do they have useful knowledge? Most definitely.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 01:15 PM
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6. I am very impressed with Obama's team-building,
notwithstanding all the complaints about "old faces".

He is going to be able to govern from the center, and by solidifying that position, will be able to institute the changes that matter the most to liberals.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 01:16 PM
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7. Poppy is probably wishing he had used a condom.
Poor baby.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 01:19 PM
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8. Excellent post. K&R nt
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 01:25 PM
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9. Obama has said he'll reach across the isle and "unite" the country with a diverse
cabinet. I never expected any less.

Again I thank you for your thoughtful reflection on this matter. You are a much needed voice of reason.

K and R.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:34 PM
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10. Thank you.
There does seem to be some difficulty for a number of the DU community in understanding that the best way for President Obama to make progress in accomplishing goals such as ending the war in Iraq is to work with as broad of a group as possible.
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