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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:40 PM
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I remember you from the General Election.
You were very concerned about the "PUMA effect" after Hillary conceded.

You were very concerned about Obama giving a speech to a huge crowd in Berlin

You were very concerned about John McCain's performance at Saddleback.

You were very concerned about Joe Biden as Obama's Vice President.

You were very concerned about the Clintons being allowed to speak at the DNC.

You were very concerned about the marble columns at the Mile High Stadium.

You were very concerned about Sarah Palin.

You were very concerned about Obama choosing not to suspend his campaign when McCain did.

You were very concerned about the GOP bringing up Bill Ayers ad nausea.

You were very concerned about Colin Powell's endorsement.

You were very concerned about the media coverage of Obama's comments to "Joe the Plumber."

You were very concerned about the possibility of John McCain turning Pennsylvania red.

You were very concerned about Joe Biden's gaffe about Obama "being tested."

You were very concerned about the girl with the "B" carved into her face.

You were very concerned about Obama's 30-minute ad before the World Series.

You were very concerned about that one Hallowen Zogby poll.

You were very concerned about the last minute emergence of Reverend Wright ads.

You were very concerned about the "internals" that showed McCain ahead.

You were very concerned all the way up to 11:00 EST on November 4th, 2008, when, in spite of all your worry, Barack Obama soundly beat John McCain and became the 44th President-Elect of the United States.

Now, after proving himself extraordinarily and reliably competent, Obama has moved on to the next challenge: choosing his cabinet and staff.

Why am I not surprised by your reaction?
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:42 PM
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1. EXCELLENT POST!!! MUST READ!!!
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tosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:45 PM
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2. Indeed. k&r
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 06:43 PM
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28. 'nuther kick for this GREAT post.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:48 PM
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3. This is the BEST post of the week concerning all of this concerning!
Excellent job and I hope it gets kicked all weekend.

Although, if it was me, I might edit for the "B" as she was debunked on DU about 5 minutes after Drudge threw it up on his site.......
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:49 PM
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58. that cat is chasing its own tail
If we decide that any and all people who ever disagree with us are "concern" trolls, it becomes a self-defining closed system. A concern troll is anyone who disagrees with us, and anyone who disagrees with us is therefore a concern troll.

This emotional need to identify with the winners, to speak for power and vicariously feel that we are powerful and on the winning team in stark all-or-nothing for-us-or-against-us terms, is the urge to submit to authoritarian rule and the prime building block upon which tyranny rests. It is contrary to every principle of freedom and self-government.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 09:04 PM
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93. I'll help kick it right here, right now
I love the double entendre you just did with Drudge.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:48 PM
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4. good post, but are you saying that you didn't have one single concern
during the run up to Election Day? :rofl:
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:49 PM
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6. Ha, of course not. This isn't a message to anyone or any group in particular--
--but to DU in general.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:49 PM
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5. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:03 PM
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12. there had to be at least three threads on that one that were all-time classics.
and the names are all so very familiar!
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 05:35 AM
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36. I never saw the set without the people. Now that I have, I AM concerned. LOL
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:32 AM
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45. OMG, you're right! Geez, do you think there will be Articles of Impeachment
drawn up?

I'll lie awake half the night over this, now that you've brought it to my attention!!
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:52 PM
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7. Recommended.
I will admit to having some concerns during the primary campaign. And perhaps during the general election campaign for the early part of the summer.

I never looked back from July on. I knew we had a winner, barring illegal election fraud.

I can have some limited empathy for those who had a ("a" as in "one") concern here or there, and for the compulsive poll-followers (I did a little compulsive poll-following myself...)

But the perennial worriers, the concern trolls, the armchair would-be quarterbacks, and now the self-proclaimed "experts" who mysteriously know more and better than the assembled team which represents more competence and experience than the entire Bush Administration PLUS the entire BUSH I Administration PLUS the Reagan Administration PLUS a largish chunk of the Clinton Administration...

meh.

Well, I'm not feeling compelled to second-guess them yet. I'll watch what they do once they're in a position to do anything.

securely,
Bright
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prostock69 Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:48 PM
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57. Well said! Totally agree :)
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:56 PM
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8. Throughout this whole thing I've been pretty much anti-concern.
Everything will work out in the end, that's my motto.
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 10:26 AM
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41. Reminds me of one of my mottos...
..which I first saw written on the bathroom wall in my suite, freshman year at art school, after one of my suitemates went nuts from stress and started drawing and writing all over the place with charcoal, trying to 'find the lines that connect everything'.

"Everything will be all right in the end; if it's not all right, it's not the end."
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 04:59 PM
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9. You're coming close to suggesting that Obama is always....
.... right about everything.


That in itself "concerns" me as it is so obviously wrong. He has made and will continue to make plenty of mistakes.

He is indeed "competent" and smart but he is not infallible. This is ... among other things... a discussion board. People should expect other people to have "concerns" about Obama's cabinet appointments... some of whom, I can assure you in advance, will prove to be monumental errors.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:06 PM
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14. That discussion ought to include gentle mocking of mass hysteria, IMHO.
Edited on Fri Nov-21-08 05:06 PM by blondeatlast
You are allowed--so are we.

Does someone need a hug?

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:08 PM
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16. Suggesting that Obama needs to be proven wrong at this point
otherwise, being given benefit of the doubt, I think is more like it. :eyes:
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:54 AM
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47. He's certainly not always wrong. n/t
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dothemath Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:48 PM
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66. Can you spell ..............
'wishful thinking'?

Sounds like you have "a", or "one", or "an over-arching", or "over-riding"
yada, yada, yada, CONCERN.

I have one, too. Actually, two. First, trolls like you 'half-full' types ought to wait until the current, illegal administration is gone before the administration that doesn't even exist yet comes into being.

Second, as long as there is one fool willing to state they are a republican, our work is not done. I figure about 4 more years ought to do the trick.
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quickesst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 08:42 AM
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108. Fortune tellers Undergound...
"People should expect other people to have "concerns" about Obama's cabinet appointments... some of whom, I can assure you in advance, will prove to be monumental errors."

It is one thing to be concerned, and voice an opinion. It is entirely another thing to claim the power of precognition. It is one thing to voice doubt about Obama's ability to form an effective cabinet, and quite another to "predict" that any of his choices will be "monumental" disasters. That's knee-deep bullshit by trying to frame in fact, what hasn't even happened yet. It is also amusing that the "concerned" flail away at Obama's decisions with a panic, anger, disgust, and insults toward his appointments, while others come after claiming those rantings are simple expressions of "concern". I think everyone has some level of concern for this administration to be, but most, through logic, and common sense, know that you don't condemn, nor do you praise, by predicting what you believe will happen, but what has happened. And most amusing of all, is the fact that most of the whining, bitching, crying, and moaning about Obama's appointments really come down to one. That of Hillary Clinton in any position of Obama's cabinet. The rest that I have addressed above is just a response to window dressing for the real reason for the Obama supporter meltdown. Hillary Fever, the signs are unmistakable. Thanks.
quickesst
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:00 PM
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10. Wordity-word, BiCoastal. Nominated. They were quiet for a week or so and then
the old familiars popped up again.

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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:01 PM
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11. Yuppers!!!
:kick: & REC'D!!!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:03 PM
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13. K&R
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:08 PM
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15. this is so brilliant
I can't believe I didn't write it.
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camera obscura Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:08 PM
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17. K&R - perfectly put
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:12 PM
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18. unbelievably malicious and dishonest
You are lumping any all of these into one "guilt by association" smear against your fellow Democrats.

This is truly shameful.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:16 PM
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19. Could you TRY to be more full of sh*t?
The OP is right on the money. Guilt by association? Hardly.

Bake
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:29 PM
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20. where are these people?
Where are these people who are being called out by the OP?

The clear implication is that it is the same people - some group who we "know" - wink wink - expressing or accused of expressing all of the opinions in that grab bag list. That is guilt by association - anyone criticizing the cabinet choices for the new administration in any way is no better, no different than a traitor or enemy.

The implication is that if you've seen one you've seen them all, and they are all suspect and to be viewed as disingenuous or as disloyal.

How could a person be accused of being "full of shit" for objecting to that?

"Right on the money?" How so? Perfectly reinforcing people's prejudices and authoritarian and suppressive urges?

How does this differ from the right wing "they hate America" justification for suppressing dissent? This is the "they hate Obama" variant.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:32 PM
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21. They are us. We are them.
It's DU in totality, and I claim myself in this group.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:35 PM
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22. ok
So you meant "we" and not "you?"
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 10:19 AM
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39. that's a disingenuous response and not consistent with the tone of the op.
it was undeniably a trouble-making post. two americas was spot on in his/her criticism.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 08:29 PM
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92. Your polarites are reversed. Teh Op is the one who's full of shit.
Do try and keep up.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:45 PM
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25. Sometimes the truth hurts.
Nothing shameful about it at ALL.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:42 PM
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55. the truth?
So anyone and everyone who spoke on any of these subjects spoke on all of them, and they all had the same mind set and motivation? Can you really believe that this is "the truth?"

The use of the word "concern" is, of course, derogatory and pejorative. Applying it to a wide variety of subjects and then smearing all people who spoke out on any of those subjects is suppressive of a free and open discussion.

We have a moral obligation and a civic duty to speak out about those who have or are seeking power over us. Diminishing and trivializing that, for the sake of emotions, is contradictory to and destructive of the principles of a representative democracy.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 03:08 PM
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71. it's actually called an Opinion and Shakespeare would know the difference
it's ironic and shameful
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 10:03 AM
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37. Agreed. This is nothing more than a rah rah with us or against us B.S. post.
Disgusting. :puke:
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:01 PM
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61. Agreed...
Another "shut the hell up and just go along" thread

If these concerns weren't challenged - who knows how it may have turned out
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:05 PM
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62. Amen. I wasn't "concerned" nor did I post about ANY of the topics in the OP
save maybe being a bit disgruntled about Biden as unimaginative. But I'm sure as HELL going to comment on cabinet picks, good or bad,because they directly influence and interpret policy.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 03:07 PM
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70. You are Either with Bicostal or against Obama
:crazy:
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 03:39 PM
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74. ahhh
Reminds me of "you are for Bush or you hate America."
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 05:24 AM
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107. You are with Champions of Chiquita's Paramilitary Death Squads or you are with the Trolls.
Do not question center-right appointments. Do not question Holy Leader. You're either with Obama every step of the way or your with the Bushistas.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 08:08 PM
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89. Nah, just shallow and sophomoric
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:35 PM
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23. K & R!!
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Born_A_Truman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:43 PM
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24. And all the concern that Obama wasn't going negative enough
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:45 PM
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26. The evolution of the concern troll
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 06:20 PM
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27. Well done.
I am reminded of the words of Master Yoda:

"Always with you it cannot be done..."
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 09:04 PM
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29. K&R
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:49 AM
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30. One question...
What was the deal with the marble columns at Mile High Stadium?

I must have missed that one. :shrug:
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KakistocracyHater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:50 AM
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31. liberal edition of authoritarian personality?
:evilgrin:
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:45 PM
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56. indeed
We have become that which we were fighting against. Now that "we" have "won," too many people are emulating the right wingers. At some point, "we" become "they" - no different in any meaningful way from the authoritarians we fought against.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:52 AM
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32. DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!
Best post of the motherfucking MONTH.

K&R
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 05:19 AM
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33. I wasn't concerned about anything on your list
That does not mean that I am comfortable with the idea of Hillary Clinton as Sec. of State. Does President-Elect Obama want to put the person who said she would not let up in her campaign despite the extreme unlikelihood of success because, who knows, he might meet the same fate as Robert Kennedy?

I do not think she is the right choice for America's top diplomat.
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 06:55 PM
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87. is this about the Clinton appointment???? no way to tell from the OP...
oy fucking vey...

:eyes:
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:57 PM
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98. Is there another Cabinet appointment that has generated such a controversy on DU?
:dunce:
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 05:26 AM
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34. At some point, we have to blame the psyche of the person who compulsively overreacts
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 05:27 AM by TexasObserver
I suppose my approach is kind of old fashioned, but I figure if you hire someone to be president, you let them pick the people they want, take office, and begin to shape their programs for at least 6 months before you decide there's reason to reevaluate.

Do these people treat every decision that way? Do they buy a car and worry daily whether this car is really the right car? Do they take a job and worry daily if this is the job they should have taken?

At some point, we have to blame the psyche of the person who compulsively overreacts.
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 10:31 AM
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43. You know
I wish there was an opposite to 'ignore'. Some function where I could have every post you make highlighted or something. This is, like, the thirtieth intelligent, insightful obsrvation I've seen you make today. :)

Me? I worried about the PUMAs.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 05:29 AM
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35. I was not concerned then or now.
I trust Obama.

:toast:
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 10:16 AM
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38. what an idiotic post.
you, of course, never worry about anything. you know better than everyone. you are always right. you are more logical and more in control of your emotions than anyone. you have unassailable optimism. it must be good to be you.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:37 PM
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54. I'll second that
Group Think Patrol Cop
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:11 PM
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94. Authoritarianism is alive and well at DU
now shut up and do/think what they tell you too!
how dare you think for yourself!
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 10:22 AM
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40. Why is it that people
come to a site like this if not to discuss such issues?
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:36 PM
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53. group think or die!
thats why some come here, to lay down the group think "law".
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 04:38 PM
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112. To worship and praise, apparently. n/t
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 10:28 AM
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42. Good post. But....don't lump every poster's concerns into other poster's concerns.
Some concerns were/are valid. Some weren't. (I hadn't even heard about some of the concerns you list.)

But it's not like it's the SAME PERSON being concerned about ALL those things. Some were concerned about some things, some were/are concerned about others.

But your point is well taken. Some people are just worriers. Unless things go perfectly, they worry. And some are trolls, looking to stir trouble.
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jrockford Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 03:26 PM
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73. Yes, some qualify as trolls, like the OP - A pointless post, worthy of the free republic.
designed to stir trouble.

What, you think the OP thought this would quell concerns? Yeah...

Or that the OP's post actually had valid reasoning? Yeah...

My distaste for HRC being SOC has nothing to do with anything listed above. Further, blind faith is just idiotic. Youw ant that sort of mentality, then you had nothing to bitch about with people blindly following Bush or saying "Bush is my President, so I trust him"

The tables turn and we suddenly become stupid and filled with "faith"?

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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 10:40 AM
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44. Brilliant. Post of the week.
Hot shit!
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:35 AM
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46. MOTHERFUCKIN KICKED AND MOTHERFUCKIN REC'D.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:55 AM
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48. Superb post!
Thanks for putting this together -- a real blast from the past!
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:22 PM
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49. A great big K and R for this. I remember all that TOO.
And yet I HAVE been surprised - I really should have known better!


:kick:
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:28 PM
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50. You have no clue about what Representative Democracy is.
Jefferson would roll over in his grave if he heard your tripe.

It is OUR job as engaged citizens to call Obama, who we supported, on bullshit. Not giving anyone from the left a spot at the table while giving the failed policies of the Republican party and for the most part the DLC the entire table, well that deserves the call.

We have the right to voice our concerns.

Those who respond like you sound pretty much like crazed Republicans who went after anyone who didn't support Bush at every turn. Congratulations for showing yourself to be sheep just like the GOP did for the last 8 years.

Rp
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:29 PM
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52. Have any Republicans been appointed yet?
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:57 PM
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60. They're at least in the conversation!
Have you heard a single liberal's name come up? Not once.

And you know as well as I that some Republicans are going to be appointed to his Administration so he can keep up with this Team of Rivals crap.

Rp
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:21 PM
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63. I think his cabinet is much more liberal than you think.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:29 PM
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51. In all fairness I thought it was a brilliant strategy about 'Pennsylvania going Red'
which of all that list that was my biggest concern (ex-Pennsylvanian).

But the thing is, it kept John McCain wasting time & money in the Keystone state and ignoring a host of other former red states now blue in 2008. People thought Gov. Rendell was trying to derail Obama yet again but instead not only did PA go brilliantly blue but so did alot of other states that McCain ignored.
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:52 PM
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59. Very good!
Some people aren't happy unless they're whining.
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Renegade08 Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:32 PM
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64. Someone admit it - you were concerned about all of the above. Fess up!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:34 PM
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65. I'm concerned.
:silly:
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 02:41 PM
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67. You know .... one or three of those things *did* concern me
Particularly early on in the campaign.

And I'd bet that very damned few were concerned about all of them.

And some of them were not so much worry as just the topic du jour and elicited some comments.

I get your point. Your brush is just a bit broad.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 03:04 PM
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68. Wow.. You Know Someone Who Was Concerned about all the above?
or does it apply to any DUer who has had any one of those "concerns" you mention?

I have been concerned about a few of those things mentioned... I guess it's bad to be concerned in your book. Why can't we all drink the koolaid and just shut up for you. Shame on us...

If any of you don't want to read folks' concerns, just hit ignore.... all your concerns of DUers' concerns will vanish.
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 03:06 PM
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69. Love this Post !!!!!! Kicked
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 03:13 PM
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72. Yeah that! We have enough actual problems, not to "borrow" any.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 03:52 PM
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75. Bravo!!!!!
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 03:55 PM
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76. point by point
Speaking only for myself, and as a person who has been accused of being a "concern" poster many times and who has questioned some of the people mentioned for appointments and the diretion of the new administration.

- "You were very concerned about the 'PUMA effect' after Hillary conceded."

No, I saw that whole brouhaha as nonsense cooked up by the right wingers.

- "You were very concerned about Obama giving a speech to a huge crowd in Berlin"

No.

- "You were very concerned about John McCain's performance at Saddleback."

No, but I did question the wisdom of going into that forum. I still do.

- "You were very concerned about Joe Biden as Obama's Vice President."

No.

- "You were very concerned about the Clintons being allowed to speak at the DNC."

No, I saw that as smart politics and also as completely expected.

- "You were very concerned about the marble columns at the Mile High Stadium."

I don't know what this is about.

- "You were very concerned about Sarah Palin."

I thought she was the best thing that could happen for the Democratic party.

- "You were very concerned about Obama choosing not to suspend his campaign when McCain did."

No.

- "You were very concerned about the GOP bringing up Bill Ayers ad nausea."

No.

- "You were very concerned about Colin Powell's endorsement."

I thought Powell's comments were great, but I was disgusted at how quickly many here were to rehabilitate and apologize for him. Certainly from a political standpoint the endorsement was a good thing.

- "You were very concerned about the media coverage of Obama's comments to Joe the Plumber."

No.

- "You were very concerned about the possibility of John McCain turning Pennsylvania red."

Pennsylvania was one of many critical states.

- "You were very concerned about Joe Biden's gaffe about Obama being tested."

No.

- "You were very concerned about the girl with the 'B' carved into her face."

Of course. That was disgusting. Who would not be concerned about that sort of behavior?

- "You were very concerned about Obama's 30-minute ad before the World Series."

No.

- "You were very concerned about that one Hallowen Zogby poll."

No.

- "You were very concerned about the last minute emergence of Reverend Wright ads."

No.

- "You were very concerned about the 'internals' that showed McCain ahead."

No.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:35 PM
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95. agreed...
I'm sick of the Shut Up mentality that seems to be the going "concern" on this board lately.
Most of the list is tripe that very few were "concerned" with. When it came to Fisa, the bailout and appointments we have every right to voice our opinion.
It is what you do in a democracy or would the OP prefer we just not question at all, just go back to what it was like for the last eight year.
Your either with us or against us, leaving no room for discussion or to participate in our own government.

Obama will be a great President but he will need our help and input to achieve this.

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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 04:28 PM
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111. it is something to behold
Now we have "why is everyone complaining about being told to shut up? What sort of whiners are they? No one is being told to shut up. I just wish they would quit their whining about being told to shut up." Amazing that heads don't just explode from that "logic." Accusing people of whining when they complain about being called whiners... Obviously ad hominem attacks are a prime tactic used by those trying to suppress freedom of speech.
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 05:16 PM
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77. Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours.
Damn, well here is a kick and recommend for this well written piece in spirit.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 05:22 PM
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78. Not me.
I was for Hillary, so I wasn't concerned about any of the items on your list.

:eyes:
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galadrium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 05:30 PM
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79. So basically, trust politicians, and never second guess a thing they do?
That's really worked out well in the past hasn't it?
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 06:10 PM
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83. yeah really
thats okay tho, let them alienate as many people as they want.

frankly, i see way more threads about these so called people than i do those so called people saying negative things
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 12:51 AM
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101. But, you see, Obama is one of a kind. He's the first politician
in whom we can place all of our trust, even if doing so never worked with any other politician in the past. Screw history; what has looking at history's example ever taught us? This is a new era, and the old rules don't apply.

:sarcasm: (but if you had to check for the tag (just in case), then you've been reading some of the same posts that I have... :scared:)
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Jester Messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 05:45 PM
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80. Interesting.
Now that Obama has won, it seems like the spirit of camaraderie and positivity is fading. Sad.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 06:07 PM
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81. k&r
remember all the debate nights, too, and the threads with titles like, "sorry, McCain is winning this one."

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Liberal Progressive Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 06:09 PM
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82. I am very concerned abut this post.
:scared:
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 06:19 PM
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84. Please identify one DUer who was concerned about all of those things.
Otherwise this post hasn't done anything besides pummel some poor straw man to death.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 05:17 AM
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106. You mean the PUMA handwringers worried about Biden might not actually exist
outside this total bullshit, offensive thread? I swear to God, some of Barack Obama's supporters really cross-over into psychosis territory sometimes. It seriously frightens me. Seriously. I'm not 'concerned'--I'm straight up creeped out.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 06:24 PM
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85. Hey! After the last eight years, it's very difficult to relax and just let the president
be president.

As for the cabinet assignments, I have no particular problem with any one of them. They are all good people, but I don't exactly think of them as changers or boat rockers. So, I'm still waiting to see the changers and boat rockers.

It makes sense to name the cabinet picks who are most familiar and trusted early on and then maybe name some of the more controversial ones. I haven't heard anything about the Dept. of Energy, the Dept. of Education, the EPA and many other posts for which, I suspect, Obama will pick some strong candidates.

I stand behind Obama 100% so far even though I'm a worrier by nature and consider worrying to be the least I can do for my country.
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 06:52 PM
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86. ... and what is my "reaction" which doesn't surprise you?
i could easily find this OP offensive but i know better.

yes, i was very concerned. not about Team Obama's methods, but by the reaction of "The Great Unwarshed" to the MSM's onslaught of bashing TO received.

needlesstosay, after Election Day my faith in the American people has been restored.

so why bring this all up now? :shrug:
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liberaltrucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 07:07 PM
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88. Um, good luck to PE Obama with cat herding
Reading through this thread, fixing the economy and reclaiming our reputation in the world will be child's play.
Uniting Democrats? Good luck, Mr President! :banghead:
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 08:12 PM
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90. Nice Piece of STFUism
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 08:16 PM by Crisco
I was mostly entertained by most the things on your list. Some of the cabinet appointments give me pause, but I've not yet come to any conclusions of what to expect - though, if Vilsack or any other GM/GE food lover gets the Ag post, I will go reactive in a heartbeat.

I'm not at all entertained by attempts to control the information stream on the major leftie-sphere.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 08:22 PM
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91. I'm concerned about the people who are concerned about this post.
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:44 PM
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96. Right on the nose.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:57 PM
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97. Sorry it's too late to R. But GREAT post!
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 11:57 PM by jenmito
People should just TRUST him to do the right things already! His judgment has proven to be right over and over again! :kick:
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mentalslavery Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 12:23 AM
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99. I am very concerned about the liberal agenda
Edited on Sun Nov-23-08 12:24 AM by mentalslavery
because I want health care, increased aid for the poor, increased rights for women and those of alternative sexual orientation and identity, more regulation of corporations, and so many other things. Most of all I want the complete destruction of the conservative party. Liberals are just so tolerant. Im concerned that they cant deliver.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 12:36 AM
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100. Seriously.
It's like Legolas to Aragorn in "The Two Towers": "You have led us this far and you have not led us astray. Forgive me--I was wrong to despair."

Again and again Obama has proven that he is better than the competition--stronger, faster, smarter, etc. He's the Six-Million Dollar Man of politics, and folks are STILL concern-trolling him now that he's picking the people whose expertise he will utilize to get his agenda passed.

Do you think when he sat down with Rahm Emanuel, he said: "You know, Rahm, you're a DLC hack who hates Howard Dean and thinks bloggers are scum. I want to stick it to them, so you want to be Chief of Staff?"

Do you think that when he sat down with Hillary Clinton, he said: "You know, Hillary, you're a vicious old scow of a woman who probably still harbors deep-seated resentment towards me. Wanna be Secretary of State? It'll REALLY piss my supporters off, especially those loony lefties."

And do you think that when he sat down with Larry Summers, he said "Hey, Larry, you seem like you hate women. I think I'll trot you out each day to give a misogynistic screed at the podium in the White House press room to prove that I hate women too."

Obama's a pragmatist at heart, and these folks are being chosen for their ability to get things done. He sat them down and said, "All you folks have got warts. Hell, we all do. No one is perfect. But you've got the necessary expertise, proven ability to get shit done, and that's what I'm fucking looking for. You want to help me get my shit done?"
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 01:30 AM
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102. The fact that this pile of bullshit would make it the the front page of DU proves how unwelcome I am
I didn't express 'concern' over any of those items you mention. I donated to Obama and worked on his campaign. I am now 'concerned' that he hasn't named a single progressive to a single post and certainly hasn't bothered to appoint a GLBT person to any position. Because of this you, and many others here, feel it's your duty to ridicule me and those like myself who think it's time our voices were heard.

Thanks for the big 'FUCK YOU!'. It's good to know that you were only here to suck us for our vote and now that's done we're useless to you.

I know many of us will remember it.
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 09:30 AM
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110. If I may be so bold...
There have been four Cabinet appointees named. Five if you count Janet Napolitano, and as far as I know, it hasn't been confirmed that she'd accept. This means there are ten-to-eleven posts left to be filled.

I'm not begrudging you your right to dissent or disagree, far from it. I'm just suggesting a little more perspective. :)
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 01:38 AM
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103. Obama wouldn't win without Hillary on the ticket
And now it's take Hillary because we say so. We are the media. And we can start wars like Iraq, or fill cabinet positions, but get this straight. We are bully's and we will bully Obama into accepting who we want.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:49 AM
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104. Awesome post
too bad I can't rec it anymore :(
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 05:13 AM
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105. I remember you too. You were on ignore until I took you off because I figured you were done
baiting people and hero worshipping a mere political candidate. I see that you're not.

There's a difference between doubting a candidate can get elected and knowing for a fact that you don't stand for what he or she stands for.

I never doubted that Obama would win, unless the election was stolen in an overwhelming coup. But sorry that doesn't mean I'm going to stop criticizing him when he selects people who advocate for corporate paramilitary death squads in Colombia. Sorry. The man was elected President, not as the Infallible Lord on High.

And if I remember correctly, it was the Obama team handwringing over PUMAs. Please. Who the hell else would it be?

What a total crock of sickening shit.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 04:39 PM
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113. Why do you hate America? n/t
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 09:03 AM
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109. yawn.
another lame attempt at ritual shameing. how quaint. :eyes:
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