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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:56 PM
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How many would actually have voted for McCain over Clinton II (whatever that means)?
I keep hearing that "I didn't vote for Clinton II... I voted for change."

Let's assume that Obama is somehow contradicting his campaign platform (a proposition that is complete garbage).

How many of you in these circumstances would take back your vote, given Obama's proposed appointments? Either in the primaries (which would split the "change" vote between Obama and someone else, resulting in an actual Clinton administration), or in the general?
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 05:58 PM
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1. I would've voted for the Democratic nominee no matter what. But if it had to have been Clinton,
I would've vomited outside the voting booth after I was done.
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 06:00 PM
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2. I would never have voted for Hillary Clinton...
but I would have voted for Bill Clinton again in a heartbeat.
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 10:52 PM
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33. How very PUMA of you
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 06:02 PM
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3. His campaign platform was a less confrontational version of the Clintons.
Since his only actual forward-looking policy difference with Hillary, as opposed to semantic bullshit, was more centrist (health care non-mandates) I don't get the sturm und drang at all.

He had no policy differences with Hillary Clinton, so why did anyone assume he was at odds with Clintonian policy? It's just weird.

I have seen a lot of Democratic primaries and this was the first one with no policy differences between the front-runners.

He seems to be delivering beautifully on his key promise which was to be a better managed version of traditional Clintonian centrism.
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abumbyanyothername Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:48 PM
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22. Ego.
People got attached to their selection of Obama in the primary. They were immature and unable to define a self without resorting to ego-inflating devices such as being against someone or something. Once the immature ego latches on to a strategy, it cannot let go.

Unless it matures.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 05:47 AM
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37. The Hillary supporters seem to have gotten a lot more attached to their choice than the Obama
supporters did.
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:34 PM
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23. Spot on. Check out this article
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/21/politics/politico/main4624733.shtml

As a presidential candidate, Barack Obama boasted of opposing the Iraq War from the start.

But as president-elect, he has come to the rescue of surge supporter Joe Lieberman and flirted with the idea of keeping on Bush administration Defense Secretary Robert Gates - and now he seems poised to nominate war-authorizing Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton to serve as his secretary of state.

The sound from the left: not silence, but no howls of betrayal, either.


A lot of people on the far left missed what you just said, but its true. I mean I think he's a great choice, look at the excitement...and we do need a unifer right now. But far left candidate he never was.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 05:51 AM
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38. The article is simply untrue. There are howls of betrayal. I am not sure if they are
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 05:52 AM by No Elephants
or not, but they certainly exist.

I think these so called pundits just write any crap that pops into their minds and count on everyone who reads it to believe it. Hey, it's on the internets! That must mean it's true. Right? Right?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 06:02 PM
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4. I was prepared to support Hillary, if that's who the choice was
I would have needed some motivation, however, to donate money to her, and spend my Saturday knocking on doors for her.

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mokawanis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:45 PM
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20. That's how I felt
If she was the nominee I wouldn't have been too happy about it but I would have worked for her and voted for her.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 05:43 AM
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36. Me, too! I believe it's called "being a Democrat."
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southernyankeebelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 06:10 PM
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5. Democratic for Life
I have never voted for a republican for anything, even in local and state jobs. I only voted for democrats. I didn't vote for Hillary in the Primary. I voted for Biden. I am pleased with Obama too. If Clinton had won I would have voted for her no matter what. I would never vote for a party that doesn't have my financial interests at heart. The republican party only is interested in the wealthy and corporation and bedroom issues that have nothing to do with running the country.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 06:11 PM
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6. I never have voted for a repuke and never will.
Edited on Fri Nov-21-08 06:12 PM by Breeze54
YMMV
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 06:25 PM
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7. Change is coming, no matter those who don't want to believe it.....
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:09 PM
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8. I would vote for a crack addict standing
on the corner stomping kittens and puppies before I would vote for a republican.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:11 PM
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9. LOL!
:scared:

:rofl:
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:23 PM
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14. lol. Well said and I agree. nt
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Lumpsum Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:13 PM
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10. Would it had made any difference?
Both are hawks. One just claims to be democratic, the other claims to be republican. When in reality they are neither.

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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:13 PM
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11. I would have voted for a chimpanzee...
before I voted for McCain. I am, however, glad that I finally got to walk out of the voting booth feeling good about my vote (even though it didn't matter here in redneck central)
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:16 PM
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12. The chimpanzee was ineligible
as per the 22nd amendment.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:39 PM
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17. OOPS...
Edited on Fri Nov-21-08 07:41 PM by awoke_in_2003
just remembered what the 22nd amendment was :)

on edit: was a little slow on the joke, edited accordingly.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:21 PM
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13. Apparently a lot of Republicans felt that same way 8 years ago.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:41 PM
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19. Yep. nt
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 10:33 PM
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28. A lot of Republicans are dumbasses.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 11:51 PM
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34. Hey I live in NEBRASKA, and for once, it ACTUALLY mattered here!
Don't give up!
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RollWithIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:23 PM
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15. Big Pile of Stinking Buffalo Shit vs McCain
I vote for shit.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:25 PM
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16. I would vote for the Democrat (nt)
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:40 PM
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18. i would cut my finger off
before voting for a republican.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 07:45 PM
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21. No contest, I would have still voted for Obama
I think the point people are making is they want Obama to distinguish himself from Clinton's Presidency. Given that he hasn't taken office yet, it's way to early to tell though.

One thing is for sure, Obama isn't going to be able to walk in there and say, "what should we tackle first". He's going to be really busy.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 09:11 PM
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24. I can't believe anyone who thinks of themselves as a Democrat
would vote for a scumbag like McCain for any reason, especially after Palin was chosen.

I preferred Obama, but I could have easily lived with Clinton.

mark
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 09:54 PM
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25. I would have voted ..
for any Democratic candidate. There are zero social policies in a Republican administration, and while Democrats may be hard pressed to push through real reform to balance the interests of business more fairly with the interests of society, Democrats are the only one's who will at least try.
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tabbycat31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 10:07 PM
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26. i was torn in the primaries
but eventually voted for Obama because I did not want to see most of my life have the presidency in the hands of two families. I even told my dad "what's next, Chelsea vs Jenna?"

If Hillary had been the nominee, I would have supported her and campaigned for her. She was my senator and I was very happy with her as my senator (I'm no longer in NY).

But in this election with these partisan times, the ballot could have read "Bozo the Clown, D" on it and I would have voted for Bozo the clown because I support my party's nominee.
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 10:50 PM
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32. That was one of my issues too
It doesn't seem right to pass the presidency between two families. There has been a Bush or Clinton (either VP or president) in the White House my entire life.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 10:24 PM
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27. I'm not sure what people want as far as "change" goes
My interpretation of "change" is that he wasn't going to carry on in the same disastrous path as Bush, which was exactly what would have happened with McCain.

More of the same disaster.

He ran against Bush/McCain/Palin, as far as I know....not against Clinton/Gore. Were things really that bad under Clinton?

Four more years under a Republican would have meant four more years under Bush. Now that's not going to happen. To me, that's change.

:shrug:
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thenam Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 10:36 PM
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30. Yeah it is
Change the head of the creature and put on one you consider more appealing. That is, as we'd have to admit, change.
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thenam Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 10:35 PM
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29. Everything is happening as I expected it to.

So I don't complain about the Clinton II deal. I knew Obama would form a Clintoneque cabinet, and would probably govern like Clinton, too. And so...I never voted for Obama to begin with. No, of course I didn't vote McCain. I can read my ballot, and I saw more than two choices, and took advantage of that fact.


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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 10:41 PM
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31. I'm not bothered at all by his picks
If I had it to do over - I would still vote for Obama in the Primary and put as much time as I did into volunteering. I am excited and hopeful. I'm so happy that we won.

If Clinton had won the nomination, I would have volunteered for her and voted for her. Not with the same energy or enthusiasum....
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 05:41 AM
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35. I cannot envision myself ever voting for a Republican.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 07:03 AM
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39. I would of supported Clinton automatically after the primary. Republicans had to go the main >
objective.
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