Screw all y'all. I'm loving this cabinet so far. Remember what were leaving behind for crying out

[ourbluenation]

loud.

[democracy1st]

1. I 2nd that

[Muttocracy]

2. that's setting the bar awfully low, though! nt

[Jennicut]

3. Yeah, can't get much lower. That being said, I think Mr. soon to be Prez is doing

a great job so far. Maybe we should rename him the Mr. Predient-Elect IluvPie though.

[hughee99]

5. If he limited all his cabinet choices to only former Menudo members

It would still be an upgrade.

[liberalmuse]

7. You did it...

:puke:

I peek in here during the day while I'm at work. The people who come here during the day SUCK. Most of them pontificate at Obama's shitacular cabinet picks. Dear god, it has been refreshing to read many of the posts here tonight. I'm loving the Obama picks, and am more excited about H. Clinton as SoS than I thought I would be. Hot damn I am ecstatic! For the first time in 8 LONG YEARS I have wonderful dreams of our new President and wake up with a smile. You can't buy that shit.

[midnight]

4. Can anyone name these Patriots. I can truely only name a few...

The bottome six I could not even guess.

[defendandprotect]

6. "The lesser evil" .. over and over again got us where we are now ---

[ourbluenation]

8. what does that even mean?

[defendandprotect]

11. You don't know what that means ... ???

Nor could you figure it out ---???

The phrase refers to the fact that you are continually given "lesser" candidates --

Lesser in every way -- and moving to the right -- most times they hide it until

you've voted for them.

Lesser means you never progress -- those in charge ensure you're always being taken

back to an even worse time --

How do they do it--?

By ensuring that you fear the even worse guy in the other party so you won't think

about NOT voting for the "lesser" ..

The fear keeps you from seeing that the two parties are simply working together to

destroy any progressive ideas/agenda the public might latch onto while moving the

political staging further to the right --

As even Randi Rhodes recently observed ... after this election putting Democrats

into the White House and hopefully straightening out a few things ...

that we need to understand that we have to battle for third part rights which the

two parties block -- and for IRV voting asap.

That's the only way we can advance --

Now this is old and obvious info -- but evidently still a lot of voters don't

"get it" -- AND that includes many DU'ers.

[stillcool]

15. It is not all or nothing..

and I'm really confused about how it is anyone could possibly think that anything other than a centrist could be elected to the Presidency in this country. I'm not sure I understand how the monstrosity that is our government, could be drastically changed with any kind of immediacy unless the government collapsed. And then I doubt we would be the United States anymore. The bureaucracy that is in place demands that the government function within the parameters that are set. I believe that Obama wants to move the pendulum back to retain more balance between the needs of society vs. the needs of business, and I don't see how that happens without working with what is there, and appointing people who are intimately aware with how the engine runs. How can that balance be attained without knowing the intricacies of how it works, has worked, can work? How can you change anything without knowing all that is involved in what you are trying to change? And who, other than those who have expertise in certain areas could explain the inner workings? I mean it is not only change that is needed, it's the right change, and understanding what the consequences might be. The best intentions may bring change, but without sufficient understanding the unintended consequences could be disastrous.

[defendandprotect]

20. The reply seems mainly to reflect DLC thinking --

from the Republican wing of the party --

This is a liberal nation, of course, with ideals of democracy stronger than ever --

The only way the right has taken charge and corrupted government is thru 45 years

of assassinations and violence, mixed with vote stealing going beginning in m-d 60's ...

[stillcool]

29. really. That is so typical...

calling names I mean. Here's a book you might enjoy. It's called "the Rich and the Super-Rich" by Ferdinand Lundberg and it is available for free download at the following website because of it's copyright expiration. http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sov/0303critic/0303socialcriticism.html

[defendandprotect]

33. Now "DLC" is an acknowledged dirty word --???

Hooray ---!!

Try reading some of FDR's writings on the Super-Rich ...

[stillcool]

34. has been for quite a while...

like years...where've you been? The Third Way doesn't connotate warm and fuzzies either.
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1463.html

[Highway61]

9. I 3rd that

Way to go!

[defendandprotect]

12. You're a "liberal" supporting DLC ...?

[Two Americas]

10. not a very good yardstick

Anything would be better than the Bush appointees. That is not saying a thing.

Time will tell whether or not the new administration will be as effective in advancing the needs of the working people as well as the Bush administration was at advancing the desires of the wealthy and powerful few. That is the only meaningful way to measure this, in my opinion.

[defendandprotect]

14. It's starting to look pretty clear .. and ask yourself where is your leverage...?

Like Pelosi & Reid we're being moved further tho the right --

with little or no progressive agenda --

What hsve we been able to do about them -- or do you like them---???

[Two Americas]

18. it is not so complicated

This is not anywhere near as problematic and complicated as the relentless advocates of conservatism within the party at all levels would have us believe.

This is a war of words and ideas. Don't buy into the "give up, you are nothing, your words are meaningless, you can do nothing" arguments. If our words did not matter, there would not be such an aggressive and relentless campaign to beat them down. Notice the sneering remarks we get - "Oh yeah, words are cheap, but you need to DOOOOO something!" and "whaddya calling for anyway, revolution???" and "everyone has opinions, so what?"

The problem is that the people cannot conceive of alternatives, and the reason for that is because the discussion is under continual attack. It is ideas that matter, and it is ideas that the people lack. It is our duty to provide ideas, to broaden and foster discussion.

It is ideas, words, that are dangerous to the rulers, and it is on that front that the apologists band defenders of the powerful here and everywhere we go are battling us. Shutting us up one way or another is the goal, because if we keep talking things will change.

"The pen is mightier than the sword."

The wealthy and powerful who lord it over us know that, and so do their sycophants and mouthpieces.

Keep speaking and writing.

[maryf]

19. Amen, for crying out loud!

Of, BY, and for the people indicates that we have to take responsibility for our part in governing! Speak out, let the representatives of our wishes know what those wishes are.

[defendandprotect]

24. You mean somehow WE have failed to do this--????

[defendandprotect]

23. I'm still at this after 20 years to get people to wake up ...

I'm not giving up as long as I'm able --

If our words did not matter, there would not be such an aggressive and relentless campaign to beat them down. Notice the sneering remarks we get - "Oh yeah, words are cheap, but you need to DOOOOO something!" and "whaddya calling for anyway, revolution???" and "everyone has opinions, so what?"

The end of the election seems to have brought a lot of DLC-Republicans out of the DU-closet-!!

And/or, DLC is trying to enforce their thinking by moving in DLC posters--??


problem is that the people cannot conceive of alternatives, and the reason for that is because the discussion is under continual attack. It is ideas that matter, and it is ideas that the people lack. It is our duty to provide ideas, to broaden and foster discussion.

It is ideas, words, that are dangerous to the rulers, and it is on that front that the apologists band defenders of the powerful here and everywhere we go are battling us. Shutting us up one way or another is the goal, because if we keep talking things will change.

"The pen is mightier than the sword."

The wealthy and powerful who lord it over us know that, and so do their sycophants and mouthpieces.

Keep speaking and writing.

Right ... I think most of them would be ASTONISHED to read Nader's platform ,,,

or Green party's -- That's why they have tried to degrade Nader --

They're waking up, but far too slowly --

[maryf]

25. FAR too slowly is right!!

We need to wake up and smell the coffee before we wake up and smell the pavement...

[Two Americas]

27. the silver lining

The people are waking up. I see powerful signs of it everywhere I go. What we are seeing now is a desperate rear guard action by the economic conservatives within the party.

They may say they are being loyal and defending Obama, but the evidence strongly suggests that they are trying to pressure and bully and frighten the people and the new administration into moving back to the right.

[defendandprotect]

28. When we ....

move, it has to be together in a voting bloc --

And ... if we truly want to win all the way to karma, we must remain non-violent.

There's a point where the myths/illusions are shattered like a mirror --

all at once -- we just have to get close enough to toss the pebble.

Nature is moving with us, of course --

We are not the only ones rising to oppose them --

[TexasObserver]

13. I haven't seen that many assholes in one place since shower time in the military.

[MarthaMyDear]

32. Hahahahahaha!

[Starry Messenger]

16. Man--a veritible tapeworm of mediocrity.

Scrolling past that was painful. Thank you for the visual reminder.

[Undercurrent]

17. Right!

Scanning down that photos I nearly missed Skelator. He looks different with the beard, but still creeps me out!

[BlooInBloo]

21. Um, I don't think referring to the Lowest Bar Ever Set In The History Of Forever...

Is really an effective way to advocate for his choices.

[OwnedByFerrets]

22. Yes, and if we disagree with anything about your post, we

are labeled trolls or told to get over it. Its gotten pathetic around here.

[BlooInBloo]

30. It's because we're nazis. You'll get used to it. Thanks for your compliance!

:hi:

[MarthaMyDear]

31. Here's your bottle...

(hands bottle to the baby...)

[treestar]

26. And with 46% of the country willing to continue with that

We should be really happy. We just hung onto the very concept of the rule of law - instead of going down an irrevocable path against it!