Doesn't "natural born" mean not adopted?

[secondwind]

[blogslut]

1. "None of woman born shall harm MacBeth"

Those wacky C-sections.

As for your question, hell if I know. Just thought that quote belonged here. :)

[secondwind]

3. funny! maybe you should send it to Clarence Thomas before

December 5th............



:)

[blogslut]

5. Ya know

My Uncle and Aunt know Anita Hill. They say she is a very nice woman and she got one hell of a raw deal during Thomas' confirmation hearings. Fuck Clarence Thomas with a coke can. That's what I think.

[martymar64]

22. Wow, I would've been able to kill MacBeth!

Sweet.
He had it coming.

[leftofcool]

2. means born on US soil or soil that belongs to the US to parents who

are US citizens, I think

[secondwind]

4. if so, then this guy Denofrio MAY have a point regarding Obama, since

his father wasn't a US citizen?

[cali]

7. no. he does not. That's why his case was thrown out of the

lower court and that's why the SC won't grant cert. Obama was born within the U.S. and his mother was a U.S. citizen. It wouldn't make any difference if his father was from the planet Xtople.

[Warren Stupidity]

11. It wouldn't matter if his mom was a citizen of France either.

Anyone born in the territories of the republic is a citizen, a natural born citizen, regardless of the status of their parents. Anyone with a parent who is a citizen at the time of their birth is also a natural born citizen, regardless of where they happened to pop out. This is just right wing STUPID SHIT and I cannot being to understand why anyone would honestly bring this stupid rightwing shit up here at this point.

[JI7]

9. there is NO point there

Obama was born in the United States. even if both of his parents were illegal immigrants he would STILL be allowed to run and become President.

[bowens43]

12. .

[CreekDog]

13. excuse me? where did you get that definition?

it certainly didn't come from your brain. :eyes:

[RC]

6. The full quote:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

This has been taken to mean being born in a State of the United States. Territories and processions do not count. This caused Berry Goldwater problems in his run for the Presidency because he was born in Arizona before it was a state.


Edited to add:
To answer your question; yes.

As for Obama, his mother was an American citizen and he was born in Hawaii and Hawaii is a State. So Obama is a Natural Born Citizen. McCain on the other hand is not a Natural Born Citizen because he was born in Panama, therefore he is a Nationalized Citizen, not Natural Born. This clause has never been tested because no one except Natural Born Citizens have ever won the Presidency.

[JI7]

8. he was born in the Panama Canal Zone which was United States Territory

there was nothing there with McCain and there sure is nothing there with Obama.

[RC]

10. Wrong. The Canal was never US territory and even if it was, it was not a State of the United States.

The Canal area was leased from Panama. Controlling or leasing an area does not make it a territory.

[Warren Stupidity]

15. The Goldwater thing appears to not be real.

and since 1790 - by congressional act - anyone born outside the US to US citizens is natural born. See the Naturalization Act of 1790: "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."

If you can find an actual supreme court case involving goldwater's citizenship status please do provide the link. As far as I can tell this is simply not real.

[HamdenRice]

18. No, the US follows both citizenship by territory and by blood

A person born to US citizen parents overseas is a US citizen.

[Hansel]

31. From Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition

http://home.comcast.net/~sharonday7/Presidents/AP0601.htm

From Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition: "Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad."

SNIP

The president must only be "natural born," that is born a citizen. His parents may be born elsewhere. Both of Andrew Jackson's parents were born in Ireland, for example.


In other words, the lawsuit is hogwash and Clarence Thomas is a moron. We have been taught since the time I entered school over 1/2 century ago that "natural born" means born in the U.S. Just because the right wing wants to redefine the term doesn't mean that "natural born" suddenly means that a litmus test must be applied against a citizen's parent to establish eligibility. There is no going through the family tree in order to disqualify a person from being president. The only litmus test is on the person himself and Obama was born in the United States.

[WeDidIt]

14. There are some implicit meanings, but there is no legal meaning

and that's the problem. No court has ever ruled what it means.

[Warren Stupidity]

16. There most certainly is a legal meaning.

Section 8 of Article I confers on Congress the power "to establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization..." This power has been construed to include defining the characteristics of a "natural born citizen", as well as the conditions of "naturalization".

The 1790 Congress, many of whose members had been members of the Constitutional Convention, provided in the Naturalization Act of 1790 that "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens." In addition George Washington was president of the Constitutional Convention and President of the United States when this bill became law. If Washington disagreed with this definition, he could have vetoed this bill.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen

[RC]

19. It this is true then why is this a topic of discussion?

It should have been settled over 200 years ago.

[Warren Stupidity]

20. It was. This is just stupid bullshit.

Our propensity for rattling our little cages over stupid bullshit is nearly inexhaustible.

[Honeycombe8]

17. In what sense? Legally or what? What country? nt

[rasputin1952]

21. The bottom line is reality...

This is a remarkably stupid suit brought before the USSC by a remarkably stupid individual, and accepted for judicial review by a remarkably stupid USSC justice.

This will go nowhere, Obama was born in Hawaii, which was a state at the time of his birth; and he had only one opportunity to visit w/his father as a youth. He is as much an American citizen as I am, and so is McCain.

About the only thing that has made this "interesting" is that it shows just how incredibly stupid Thomas is, something anyone who has read anything written by him already knows. (Reading most of his decisions, borders on torture, the man is illiterate and has a command of the language much akin to Foghorn Leghorn. He is an embarrassment to any one who made it past 5th grade!)

[woolldog]

24. Oh please.

His opinions aren't bad at all, stylistically. It's what's contained in them that's the problem. ;)

Anyway, this was only submitted to the court to consider whether to grant review. This is nothing worth getting worked up over.

[rasputin1952]

25. As I stated, this isn't going anywhere...and, as I stated...

Thomas is a stupid man. I've read some of his positions, he is truly stupid...and lazy to boot.

[woolldog]

27. of course it's not going anywhere. nt

[No Elephants]

23. Read the other threads on this issue. The question has been answered

[elleng]

30. Has been answered PLENTY!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7909879&mesg_id=7910914

[Boudica the Lyoness]

26. If your born by C. Section

then that's not considered 'Natural Born' either..I guess.
This whole thing is so silly but shows of desperate they are and that's fun to watch.

[whistler162]

28. Actually, according to ancient lore it means not left handed!

or maybe not right handed. The ancient scrolls are a little vague on that.

[Renew Deal]

29. It means not hatched

:shrug: