Angry progressives = kook fringe

[DCBob]

The angry bitter progressives, criticizing Obama's almost every move, risk alienating themselves and becoming an insignificant kook fringe. To me, and to most of America and the world, it is remarkable that Obama got elected at all. It is an astounding move forward for this country and we should all be celebrating that fact especially the "progressives".

[cali]

1. I'm claiming the franchise on

:popcorn: for this thread.

[bunnies]

2. lol...

mind if I join you? :popcorn:

[cali]

3. plenty to go around.

kind of fun to get in early before the flames leap, though it's a bit early in the morning for :popcorn:

[DCBob]

5. I know there will be incoming but I have said all I wanted to say.

I have no interest in picking fights with the "progressives" but surely they are missing the forest for the trees.

[ulysses]

13. sort of like farting in a crowded room and then leaving quickly, isn't it?

[DCBob]

18. Yep. Pretty much.

But in this case the "fart" was well targeted and deserved.

[ulysses]

20. I'm just relieved that you're not picking a fight with the kook fringe.

I mean, that would be horrible.

[cliffordu]

38. 'Shaw 'Nuff

[Honeycombe8]

52. I am not a progressive. I am a moderate. Am I bitter and angry, too, if I question something?

Or if I disagree with you on something?

[Raineyb]

70. For someone not interested in picking a fight with progressives you certainly managed it in your OP

Unless calling people who have similar goals names has ceased to be fight picking.

:shrug:

Regards

[Forkboy]

72. Don't worry. No one could possibly interpret your OP as picking a fight...

:eyes:

[cliffordu]

37. Can I get me some of that???

:popcorn:

Thanks!!

[Runcible Spoon]

69. awww too bad this didn't turn into the frothing flamefest you wanted.

too bad none of those fringe kooks showed up for ya, huh? :eyes:

[Hippo_Tron]

82. And I'm claiming the franchise on kook fringe

[babylonsister]

4. It's amazing to me how much attention the m$m is giving to

progressive bloggers. Prior to this election, no one would give them the time of day. Now their opinions matter?

:wtf:

[sufrommich]

6. The MSM sees the Clinton drama slowly slipping away

the new drama will be"Has Obama turned on his base?". Drama for drama's sake.

[glowing]

7. If you haven't been alive in the last few years, you'd be a moron not to be

a bit angry and bitter... In the last few years, I've heard my dying grandmother proclaim, "I'm glad I won't be around for much more of this.. I'm sorry you are young and will have to face what's coming". She died a year and 1/2 ago. My mother is almost frantic watching the retirement they saved up, dwindle. She's scared.. and really just wanting security.. just wants to know that if she's ill, she can be taken care of. When she's older, she can retire. She's not looking to sail around the world or go on crazy shopping sprees.. she just wants to be comfortable. AND I have embarked on a reality in your face, you better pay attention...because the things they do, does affect your life, start to my own life. I only wanted to be a scientist... I only wanted to study things. WRONG DEGREE to pick when a Bush is in office.

[mmonk]

8. Sticks and stones friend.

You misinterpret. The unwise don't ask questions.

[cali]

9. and the wise don't pass summary judgment on an administration

not in power yet, and no I'm not slamming every criticism of Obama or his decisions to date.

[mmonk]

11. Then clarify. People are getting uncomfortable that they

can't speak their mind around here. I, for one, was an Obama delegate but retain any legitimate questions about some individuals and respect give and take from others that might. Discussion and hashing out I would think is healthy. I'm not for getting into verbal fights about it though.

[NV Whino]

10. I'm reserving my judgement until he actually starts doing things...

or not doing things.

[shanti]

75. thank you!

it's ridiculous to assume doom and gloom from what's happened up unti now. give the man a chance, jeez!

[RelativelyJones]

12. Progressives should speak out

I support Obama's cabinet choices, because its been clear to me that he is putting the machinery in place to enact a progressive agenda (closing Guantanamo, repairing international relations, promoting green environmental policies) but that doesn't mean that Progressives shouldn't levy healthy skepticism toward individuals who have made truly questionable decisions in the past, like Emanuel propping up weak moderates over more able progressive candidates who ultimately would have fared better (as in Florida). Progressives aren't stupid. We know what we have in Obama, who really is transformational, but we owe it to him and ourselves to ring the bell when we feel a certain kind of dead-end centrism is overweighted.

[L0oniX]

64. "we feel a certain kind of dead-end centrism is overweighted"

:thumbsup:

[saltpoint]

14. One of the under-rated things about Obama is how effective he is.

My hunch is that this highly effective man will assemble a team of his choosing and apply his effective gifts to what the nation needs.

Many media pundits and party regulars did not believe Obama would still be standing after the Iowa caucus in January.

But he was.

[DCBob]

16. Hey OC. Yes indeed, Obama has proven the critics wrong so many times before .

i suspect he will do it again.

[saltpoint]

19. Hi, DCBob. I'm not making hard predictions, but my guess is that

Obama has envisioned the direction he wants to take the country some months back.

Election night was enthralling, but I am still imbued after hearing Barack Obama in Philadephia on "a more perfect union."

I thought that was the most effective public address by a political candidate in many, many moons.

[DCBob]

27. I worked at a local precinct as an election judge but got home just in time for the big event.

It was spectacular. Some of my neighbors and I were out in the street celebrating. What a night!

[saltpoint]

28. Thank you for being a local precinct election judge, and the celebrations

seemed to break out all over the place, and my god did we need to win this election.

Also in winning we have put the GOP on the defensive. They have lost several years ongoing because they've been slinging crap at scientists and women and so forth, and now they look behind them at the wreckage.

They've got some serious work to do to remain viable and competitive and fewer people than ever to do it with.

[DCBob]

33. The GOP is in total turmoil. They are turning on each other now.

I have not seen the article but apparently Mort Kondrake wrote an article blaming conservative talk radio for Republican woes. It's becoming great theater!

[saltpoint]

34. I did see the Kondrake piece -- he is often so staid as to be furniture --

but it appears deep down he does care about meaningful reform. And he sure has it right on the Far Right radio jocks. They are a subversive bunch, no doubt about it.

[DCBob]

36. I will try to read Mort's article. Those wacko wingnut talkshow hosts are so outrageous ...

they are hurting the GOP more than they are helping.

[saltpoint]

39. Yep. I can barely stand to listen to more than about 2 minutes of

Limbaugh, if that.

They're all notably bad but he seems to stand out as the worst of the worst.

The Republicans are faced with several difficult decisions. If they retain the services of right-wing talk radio, they risk reinforcing the negative image the voters have of their party already.

Same with the fundamentalist "family values" wing. The more of those nutbags you let inside the castle walls, the less civil and fair and persuasive your kingdom becomes. The GOP castle is lousy with nutbags right now. Sarah Palin is said to have "exicted" these base voters, and at the same time, she was the first veep nom in modern memory to actually drag down a national ticket.

Whoever takes on the task of putting the Republican Humpty-Dumpty back together again has his or her work cut out for them.

[DCBob]

40. No doubt. It will not be easy but...

I think they may be on the right track if they select Michael Steele over Gingrich for RNC chair.

[TexasObserver]

15. I'm in favor of everyone saying whatever's on their mind.

Anyone who is too ridiculous I simply stop reading.

But you are right. Those who are pissing and moaning about Obama's every move have already rendered themselves impotent in the political world. They don't do their thing to achieve any end. That's simply the stated rationale. They piss and moan because they aren't happy unless they're pissing and moaning.

It ain't complicated. They're feeding a need they can't control, addicted to whining.

[faithfulcitizen]

24. "addicted to whining" - precisely. I'm still on cloud 9... :)

[TexasObserver]

89. as my sig says, I'm good with life these days!

I don't know how, after 8 insane years, any Democrat can be upset right now.

[Gman]

31. It was less than 48 hours after Obama won

that the whining and complaining, pissing and moaning started. The first few times I LOL'd. Now it's highly annoying.

[TexasObserver]

90. Yes, I'm having a difficult time believing some of it is sincere.

[Binka]

83. I'm 49 And Have A Seven Year Old.....I've Danced This Dance In My 20's Now 40+ MOMMY Rules

My little Perry Mason knows the rule of this court, get your shit together little lady and NO WHINING. I am alone on this bench and I accept NO bullshit. She gets lots of hugs too but I cut the whining off at the quick. Repukes obviously had lazy, slovenly, and self absorbed parents. Much like the worthless kids they sprouted.

[TexasObserver]

91. Yes, Binka, whiners are made, not born.

I cannot tolerating whining, and raised my kids to say whatever they had to say without doing that.

People learn to whine when they're little, and they use it because at one time, it worked.

[rocktivity]

17. Don't you know a good psy-op when you see one?

Who is really complaining about bitter angry progressives other than bitter angry moderates and right wingers? Fixed News' Brit Hume warns Obama to "rule from the center" while the MSNBC transforms Obama's forgiving LIEberman as a deliberate smackdown of the "far left blogosphere." It was we bitter angry progressives who put Obama where he is, and an effort is underway to undermine and discredit us because WE are now the mainstream and THEY'RE the angry bitter lunatic fringe. It's just more Rovian projection--can't you tell we're being set up all over again?

:headbang:
rocknation

[laststeamtrain]

29. "bitter angry moderates and right wingers". Exactly.

There's something they all seem to do; describe criticism, analysis & reportage as 'bitching, moaning & whining' or some variation.

What are they doing? Bitching, moaning & whining about criticism, analysis & reportage.

Years ago, I think it was Gore Vidal who observed that Americans were addicted to happy endings.

That's the crime of vigilant progressives. They're pissing on the happy ending.

Some things are going to get better, some things will not.

I reserve the right to notice that there are too many neocons & neolibs in the newly forming administration; too much business as usual.

What is that business? War. Empire. That's what we need to progress beyond. That would be my 'happy ending'.

[TreasonousBastard]

21. It's not real "progressives" complaining...

it's our own lunatic fringe and the vast hoards of kibitzers and shitstirrers who just can't let a day pass without bitching about something.

(And closet rightwingers just having a good ol' time)

[izzybeans]

22. Criticism is important and Obama knows that. This is why his appointments are a mixture

of Clintonistas and Obama style democrats. Some cherrypick his cabinet picks to make a point and ignore some pretty solid appointments from their own framework, but their criticism is important nonetheless.

The end of the "lock-step" bullshit needs to be now (so I guess I agree with you to a very small extent). That sort of insular politics amounts to a big huggable fuzzy bear of a mess.

On the other hand, politics really isn't war by other means, its a messy process of critique and ideological exchange. So some of those critics that amount for calls to ideological purity are short-sighted and run counter to a democratic ethos. Those who believe it is a war, are melodramatic to the point of alienating themselves. Ask Karl Rove how that feels. "Off to Fox News with ye." Talk about fringe.

However, Obama (if he should hold to his promises)seems to want to capitalize off not only a collection of advisors made up of people who range from labor activists and centrist Clinton style free-market democrats, but also by streamlining grassroots movements into the institutional sphere of politics. This last bit means that your so called fringe is actually a legitimate vehicle for delivering a critique from "main street" straight to the white house. But it is also something you are a part of as well. Just because that critique doesn't fit within your frame of ideology doesn't make it fringe, it makes it part of the wrinkled American fabric. Our big tent wasn't constructed for the purpose of a circus to be led by a ring master. Let the Republicans have that. Let ours be a free space for a collection of diverse voices to exercise their rights of citizenship. Don't turn our leader into the ring master of a circus.. Stigmatizing members of our tent just isn't productive.

[He loved Big Brother]

23. I'd rather have critical progressives

...than the "yes men" of the last eight years whom have questioned or criticized almost nothing. I am ecstatic that Obama is going to be America's President. However, the last eight years have made me angry. And Obama doesn't get all of my trust until he has backed up his words with action. I have almost nothing as of yet to criticize about the man, but I am not going to tiptoe around and pretend that he will make all the right choices and represent every American to the fullest extent. And after these last eight years, I feel every President needs to be scrutinized at ALL times. Because Bush was not, and we see where that has lead. Great men like Obama have lost the luxury of even a bit of trust. If they get it, it's a nice bonus. Nut I believe at this point all we have to offer our leader is hope, and he should expect nothing more. After all, our leaders are the ones with something to prove.

Are all "angry progressives" kooks? I doubt it. I think some of them will even help to keep the next four to eight years in check.

Maybe if Bush supporters had been a little more angry, and a little more critical of their leader, this nation wouldn't have backslid so much during the Bush pResidency. Progressives who support Obama, some of whom may criticize him in the future, *will* help bring progress.. At least, that is what I feel they are here to do.

Also, I predict in the coming years that fewer and fewer people will be giving much attention or credence to the MSM. And most of those who do pay attention to these "reporters" will, I hope, take what they have to say with a grain of salt. As if filtered news is going to be anything reliable in the minds of those who want change. The MSM has been inaccurate and timid for too long, and young people will remember this as they age.

[baldguy]

25. Anyone who thinks Obama is a progressive hasn't been paying attention.

Or has been listening to - AND BELIEVING - Republican propaganda.

[Raineyb]

73. True he's not a progressive

However, neither was FDR. Without the progressive criticism there's no chance for a progressive agenda to come forth as the MSM has been running with the idiotic meme of America being a "center right" country. If we stifle progressive criticism how will be counter that meme? This shitting on a group of Democrats while it wasn't unknown before the election has gotten out of hand of late.

Regards

[earth mom]

26. Maybe you should go back to freeperville with the rest of the kooky far right fringe.

:puke:

[Bluenorthwest]

30. Smug knownothings= drooling cheerleaders

The foolish, ignorant centerists, mistaking thought for criticism, risk alienating themselves and becoming an uninformed and worthles electorate.

If it offends you that some of us have important political goals that Obama does not fully support, if you think the duty of the citizen is to silently sit by and allow our betters to hold sway over the Government, you are not only mistaken in general, but you are also not listening to our President Elect, what he has been asking of us all along. So you can sit and humm to yourself that eveything's gunna be alright, I will listen to Obama, and do exactly as he has asked, which involves speaking up and speaking out. And taking action.
And if it bugs you watching people fight for basic rights, well, perhaps joining the fight to end it quickly might be the best choice. There is zero change of getting your desired chorus of yes men while some of us are living under unequal law. As always, I offer that if you'd like to pay the extra taxes for my partner and I, I will be quiet for you for a year. I offer that to many who are 'concerned' about people seeking political goals with passion, and oddly no one takes me up on it. They want my silence, but not enough to buy it.
The 'concren' here is not worth a greenback dollar. Vapid and without meaning, a call for censorship and silence.

[Imperialism Inc.]

43. You left out totally predictable.

Anyone who has been around DU for any length of time knew that after a victory the shut-up-and-be-a-mindless-robot crowd would be out with a force and vigor that would make the freepers blush. The good news is that people speaking their minds on DU isn't going anywhere. Those that question Obama's choices will still speak up. To excess? Yes, sometimes. But there are plenty of people here too that will intelligently answer those criticisms with something other "be loyal and be quiet".

[pamorlan]

61. Excellent reply

Anyone who has been around DU for any length of time knew that after a victory the shut-up-and-be-a-mindless-robot crowd would be out with a force and vigor that would make the freepers blush. The good news is that people speaking their minds on DU isn't going anywhere. Those that question Obama's choices will still speak up. To excess? Yes, sometimes. But there are plenty of people here too that will intelligently answer those criticisms with something other "be loyal and be quiet". - Walking Life

Excellent response, Walking Life. We certainly don't need the "be loyal and be quiet mindless robots". One of the reasons I come to DU and Daily Kos is to see intelligent discussion. If I just wanted to hear the party line I could go to the DNC blog or watch the DLC talking heads on TV. None of our leaders have ever been perfect and in a functioning democracy we need people questioning authority and yes that means questioning Obama.

[BeFree]

44. Problem is

....most of what yall are doing amounts to not much more than pissing into the wind.

I kinda find it funny to watch yall take showers that way. The problem is that after a while, yall start stinking.

[Danger Mouse]

50. HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE OBAMA!!!

HOW DARE YOU TELL ME TO MARCH IN LOCKSTEP!!
HOW DARE YOU YOU SAY HOW DARE YOU!!

[BeFree]

54. Why I oughtta....

Why are you censoring me?
Why can't you just let me make a fool outta myself?
I'll not be silenced!
I like the warmth that comes from pissing into the wind.

[treestar]

86. No one is saying that

Claiming one is not going to vote for Obama in 2012 because of today's cabinet pick in insane, however. I've seen that stuff on DU.

[Sunnyshine]

76. No, I think a few might be doing that while most of us are keeping our eye on the ball of solutions.

The same ball that represents progress, which has been endlessly tossed back and forth by politicians in the middle of the traditionalist pack, recycling the promises of the past- over and over. There's been no measurable movement on so many critical issues for decades because corporate interests do not WANT there to be movement away from the traditional centrists politics.

Americans from across the political spectrum desperately want to give credence to populist campaigning and the declarations made to finally resolve the collateral problems fueling the current economic crisis. Progressive action is required to deliver these solutions.

In many ways, the middle of the pack all too often fall victim to buying into the diabolical labels that feed the never ending culture wars that do nothing but divide America and unjustly demonizes people who actively pursuit changes through citizen organizing and grassroots campaigns. We are community organizers who volunteer our time to improve the lives of the poor and middle class.

Why hate us? We stay involved beyond voting and we refuse to be content with re-shuffling the masses?

Anger in small doses can be healthy as it drives us to take action. We work hard and pay taxes like the rest of the country and are tired of being overlooked, dismissed, and denigrated AFTER we help our party win elections. The new boss is certainly not the same as the old boss, but it's the typical insiders I worry about. People should be allowed to express this openly because skepticism is healthy too, IMHO. I still think Obama is awesome, but I am not Charlie Brown. I reserve the right to challenge all politicians.

Calling names, laughing at others, and vitriol about voters pissing on themselves because they would like equal representation within the democracy they uphold and support is kooky. We just want equal opportunities! http://backbonecampaign.com/cabinet/

Thank you for your time.

[Gman]

32. Skinner could rename GD:P to GD:W&C

GD Whine and Complain. We could have the ability to block it if we wanted. It'd serve the same purpose as the ghost ship GD: Primary.

[lunatica]

35. As a kook fringe progressive I think global warming is important

If he confronts the issues from the perspective of saving the planet itself so we can continue to live on it I'll be content. As a progressive I'm used to being disappointed. I accept that it's just the way it is in a Democracy and I'm able to move on.

What are your expectations of the Obama administration?

[DCBob]

41. Global warming is not a "kook fringe" issue.

It's a fact we all must deal with. Obama is on it.

[lunatica]

42. So why do you say we're kook fringe?

And you haven't answered my question about what your expectations are. How do you feel about war, or about our 'super power' status? How do you feel about health care, or about civil rights, or about our place in the world. Do you think we should kick ass because we're 'superior' or do you think we can join the world as an equal partner?

My point is that you are saying 'kook fringe' when you aren't bothering to define what you mean nor, it seems, are you understanding what 'progressive' means.

[DCBob]

45. First tell me why so many "progressives" are bitter and angry with Obama.

That will help me answer your questions.

[lunatica]

46. Why should I answer you when you don't answer my questions?

This is something you started.

[Honeycombe8]

51. I read this board every day. I haven't gotten the impression that "so many" progressives

are angry at Obama.

Why do you think, when you see five posts, and three question the appointments, and two praise the appointments, and only one is angry...that "so many" progressives are angry.

Could it possibly be that you do not want to see any questioning at all of Obama? So your eyes fixate on those that question, and you interpret all questioning as being "angry"?

Questions are good. Discussions are good. Discussing the negatives, as well as the positives, of the current administration (no matter whose administration it is) is good.

[DCBob]

55. This board is latey full of negatives and criticisms. I thought we won?

It's often a downer just coming here. I feel more uplifted by watching Faux.

[Sunnyshine]

79. Can you show me a progressive saying "I am bitter and angry with Obama!"

Is it possible for Progressives to have an equal opportunity at governing? What is so wrong with supporting fellow Democrats in our pursuits to solve real problems in America? We pay taxes like everyone else and have spent decades supporting/investing in causes:

* Civil rights and equal rights
* Universal Health care
* Open and responsive government
* Community development
* Disabilities, people with
* Veterans benefits
* Economically disadvantaged
* Economic development
* Environment
* Sustainable Practices
* Workers rights
* Housing/shelter
* LGBTQ
* Minorities
* Direct diplomacy
* Immigrants/refugees
* Public affairs
* Venture philanthropy
* Women
* Youth development

I am tired of being labeled angry and bitter by those running around DU demonizing people like me, even though most of us have not posted a thing to deserve thread after thread on this subject. No one is whining or crying (those who make these unfounded accusation act like GOP/high schoolers) We simply want to see these issues addressed for once. These groups need representation NOW, and why everyone on DU is attacking us for wanting that is beyond me. We work for these changes we need! WTH?

[Honeycombe8]

48. Obama has named Energy independence/greening up as his #2 priority.

Which is excellent. He named healthcare first, then energy/greening up as his second priority he will address SOON. We of course all know that the economy is really teh #1, but I think his viewpoint is that all these things are connected.

The greening up will help with the economy and bring jobs. Addressing the healthcare problem will help the average person in today's economy.

I am hopeful. Global warming and the environment is one of my top concerns.

[Honeycombe8]

47. Who do you mean? I have posted a couple of posts where I merely insinuated....

a sadness by someone at not having been appointed to what he wanted, and I was excoriated by a loon fringe element for even IMPLYING a questioning of any appointment whatsoever. (Which I wasn't doing, BTW.)

For someone to genuinely discuss whether so and so is the best person to be appointed such and such...is attacked as heretical by a loony fringe. Questions are not allowed! Even though this is being discussed all day long on the political shows. That being so because it is, of course, a quite natural and valid thing to discuss. The positives and negatives of each appointment.

It's an interesting topic among political junkies.

Who the lunatic fringe is, exactly, apparently depends on your point of view. Those who attack all posts that don't say, "Hooray for the latest appointment! I have no questions whatsoever about it! That person, who I don't know, has absolutely no negatives whatsoever!" as being heretic in nature. Those are as loony as those who attack every appointment as not being progressive enuf.

[Danger Mouse]

49. Well, it depends. Criticism is important, but some people need to chill the fuck out.

[ulysses]

53. who draws that line and where?

I suspect some folks on all sides ought to breathe a little more.

[Danger Mouse]

57. I think everybody has their own personal line. Hence the arguments.

[ulysses]

58. just one big happy.

[lunatica]

60. I agree

As a progressive I'm quite used to being disappointed in a whole slew of things, while still being able to support our President if he's doing a relatively good job of running the country. I get it that it's difficult and that progressive issues are something we will deal with in some future time.

[lunatica]

56. That includes people who get upset if anyone has a critical thought about an Obama appointment

nt

[Danger Mouse]

59. But it also includes people who have a raging fit over anything Obama does that doesn't meet their

excessively narrow expectations.
See? There's two sides.

[lunatica]

65. Not all progressives are angry kook fringe

We're not nearly as fringe as some would like to make us out to be. Progressives aren't the opposite equal of the neo cons. And anyone who is angry is not that way because they're a progressive.

[Danger Mouse]

66. The broad brush is unnecessary in the OP...

since progressives as a whole are not kooks. One of our greatest presidents, Teddy Roosevelt, was a progressive AND a Republican. Imagine THAT happening in our times?

[L0oniX]

62. Of course you have the right to lean center right like the Clinton's but

that "kook fringe" could end up biting you in the ass if they split the Dem party. With the conservative party being so close to death there might be room in the future for a competitive progressive 3rd party should the Dems continue to be gutless cowards and non responsive to the will of the people. Calling them a "kook fringe" is only a cheap ploy to shut them up. Me ...I'm a left leaning socialist but I consider your "kook fringe" to be closer to me than the Reagan democrats, DLC'rs and the right leaning Clinton worshipers. We don't need a president who moves the party to the center right like Clinton and putting people from the old Clinton administration back in our system causes some legitimate concern in this regard. Excuse the "kook fringe" for being concerned!

[saltpoint]

63. This appears to be beside the point, but IMO it pertains.

And it's just this: I cannot wait until the Obamas' first international visit to other nations.

I cannot wait until they step out of the plane onto the tarmac, and after all the formal howdy-dos with the official greeting teams I cannot wait until they visit a local market to greet the citizens of South Africa or Belgium or Mexico or New Zealand or Japan.

If the world is frustratingly complex it is better for everyone if compassionate and intelligent people are involved in its husbandry and stewardship.

[ismnotwasm]

67. You know what?

You know, I'm not a big participator here. More of a reader although I throw in my 2 cents in often enough.

I do want to say, "angry bitter progressives" combined with "kook fringe" on a site that is a discussion board with a wide diversity of opinion in the liberal/progressive (whatthefuckever) Democratic community, (And I don't agree with a lot of shit) is not the most productive post I've ever seen.

[Runcible Spoon]

68. stupid post is stupid.

yawn.

[RedLetterRev]

71. IBTL :D n/t

[AtomicKitten]

74. lol

[Alexander]

77. How is this not flamebait?

[Orsino]

78. Jesus Christ. Mainstream DUers are still suckered by wingnut memes?

I had no idea progressives were so threatening.

[PassingFair]

80. What I wanna know is: Why is Obama surrounding himself with Bush Crime Family enablers?

If that makes me "kook fringe", so be it.

http://www.crocuta.net/Dean/Transcript_of_Dean_Sacramento_Speech_15March2003.htm


I still want my country back.

[leftofthedial]

81. yeah. anyone to the left of Rahm Emanuel is a kook, fringe loser.

and should just go away and shut up.

[Beacool]

84. Hey, I don't have a problem with that assessment.

I have been calling them kooks ever since they are going into labor over Obama's choice of Hillary as SOS.

It's been a lot of fun watching heads explode.

:rofl:

[PBS Poll-435]

85. It honestly is like watching the "5 stages of grief" around here

1 - Denial

"I don't believe it." "Unnamed sources? LOLOL" "Obama would never do such a thing.

2 - Anger

"I AM ONLY DONATING TO DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY CHALLENGERS!!!11!" "Obama has just pissed on his base" "NO MORE CLINTONS GRRRRRRR"

3 - Bargaining

"Ted Kennedy is going to give her something to do in the Senate rather that go to State." "HILLARY FOR MAJORITY LEADER!!!11!"

4 - Depression

"Were doomed." "She is going to obliterate Iran!!!11!! :-(" "We will never get out of Iraq"

5 - Acceptance

"Well at least he can always fire her"

[Beacool]

87. Thanks, you made me laugh and forget the cold.

Good list and quite accurate.

:7

It's only 32 degrees in NJ. Brrrrrrr

:scared:

[Odin2005]

88. Most of them aren't progressives, they are Naderites posing as progressives...

...in order to redefine "progressive" to mean "Naderite" and so Skinner doesn't serve them a Tombstome pizza.

Obama IS a good Liberal/Progressive

[EFerrari]

92. Smearing other DUers = disruptive bullshit. n/t

[ClarkUSA]

93. Thank you, Al From! Long live the DLC! Down with liberals! Progressives suck!

Did I miss anything? :eyes:

[Trajan]

94. The traditional Democratic platform is based on a traditional progressive platform ...

I understand your frustration with the bitching and moaning, but to criticise progressives for being progressive or for wanting MORE progressivism to be reflected by the next administration is a bit cannibalistic ....

Unless, of course, someone is NOT progressive or liberal .... then it would be standard practice, anti-progressive rhetoric ....

[anonymous171]

95. I think you are mistaking "progressives" for the reactionaries

who simply hate anyone left of Kucinich.

[bitchkitty]

96. Kook fringe? Angry, bitter progressives?

Where are you seeing all of this? He hasn't even taken office yet.

[last_texas_dem]

97. Well, I hope the "kook fringe" on DU keeps on being angry

I don't have much use for "my president right or wrong" types of any stripe, but I'm more disappointed to see that kind of crap coming from alleged liberals. (I'm not directing that comment at you in particular, DCBob, but there are more than a few of these types on DU: "Stop questioning Obama's judgment and trust him!!!!1!", etc.)

Even if the complaints of some sometimes seem misguided or over-the-top to me, the "angry progressives" on here generally don't seem to have any sort of ulterior motive behind their complaining. I'm not so sure about those on here who are constantly trying to stifle criticism, though.