Disappointing how so many "Obama supporters" are so "concerned" about his decisions now that he won.

[joshcryer]

I mean some of the most ardent supporters of his during the primaries and the GE are running around like chickens with their heads cut off saying all sorts of non-sensical stuff.

I think he's going to be one of the greatest Presidents in all time. Yet so many here are insulting him on his cabinet decisions, some are insinuating he doesn't know wtf he's doing, others are saying he's part of some sort of conspiracy, and it goes on and on.

It seems as if these same people were actually deluded into believing Obama isn't the person he is, but rather some other self-manifesting object of their affection. That he isn't human, that he doesn't have character, that he doesn't want to be challenged, and wants to operate without being surrounded by sycophants. It's shocking to me.

And at this point I'm actually extremely glad he won (despite disliking the terribly uncivilized behavior here throughout the elections), he's going to be amazing.

Shame on you people.

[John Q. Citizen]

1. How many is so many? got a handle on a percentage or any hard data?

Shame on who?

[Truth2Tell]

2. He's talking about the "you people."

They are a very elusive tribe.

[John Q. Citizen]

4. Pogo rounded them up.

"We have met the enemy, and they are us!"

[bvar22]

63. Shame on You!

Shame on Yoooouuuuu!

How DARE You!
Finding fault with the the PE is UnAmerican!
You People should all be investigated and thrown off of DU.
Who told You People that you were entitled to voice your opinion?

You People are spoiling EVERYTHING!!! :cry:

[joshcryer]

5. It's easy enough to get a guestimate.

But I can't call out DUers by name. By "many of you" I mean very prolific Obama supporters in particular. Basically people who have extremely high post counts, are otherwise respectable, but who have been around long enough to know how to basically write extremely disrespectable crap about their own candidate without getting the banstick.

I'd bet a 10 poster would be banned instantly for being so "concerned" about Obama's cabinet selections.

[cali]

35. This is a claim with little or no basis in fact

I'm familiar with most of the early and strong supporters of Obama and I'm one of them. The vast majority of us are still on board.

[joshcryer]

76. I never mentioned a "majority."

It's more about that tiny very vocal minority who apparently don't t have lives and can spend many hours a day posting here. People who were equally vocal in support of Obama during the elections who somehow managed to nearly turn completely against him after the fact.

You know who I'm talking about so no need to pretend.

[jobycom]

3. Some aren't Obama supporters, just other-haters.

They didn't love Obama so much as they hated Bush, or hated Hillary, or hated their lives, and they fixated on Obama as the anti-whatever.

You could see that in the primaries, as people were more caught up in what Clinton wasn't than in what Obama was. Obama was the perfect rainbow of their dreams. I wasn't an Obama supporter, and still have the same reservations about him now that I had then, but compared to the people that wanted him and have since turned on him, I'm a downright Obamamaniac. He's turned out smarter and smoother than I expected, and I find myself thinking he may be able to do this job after all.

Just like Clinton (both of them), his worst enemies will be the people who supported him. Some people are just better at hating, even in our party.

[joshcryer]

9. I agree with you completely.

I honest to goodness didn't even care about who was the candidate, I just defended a certain candidate from the vitriol and hate that inundated the forums, now it seems as if I have to defend *Obama*, from many of the *very same people*. It's quite shocking. Obama is a brilliant man, and *he's* the one being called out by these same pompous individuals?

What bothers me most, though, is that it seems people want Obama to be surrounded by like-minded individuals who will agree with him on everything. Who wants a President like that? How will anything really groundbreaking get done?

[pnwmom]

13. I figured this would happen. Hate is contagious. First the Rethugs

churned people up to hate Hillary -- and then many people here said that we couldn't nominate her, because too many people hated her. And then she became a lightning rod for people on both ends of the spectrum.

No -- we can just see the hate transferring over to Obama.

A strong Democrat -- and Obama is very strong -- will always threaten a good number of people. Unfortunately, some of them are progressives who will never be satisfied with anything they consider "compromise."

[Marrah_G]

19. Freaky huh

Up is down, left is right, night is day........... bizarre.

I would just like to see the bullying behavior that permeated the forums over the last year put to rest for good.

[LostinVA]

28. I'm glad it's still happening -- I've had several REAL O Primary supporters apologize to me

Publicly and privately, because now they are actually able to SEE what has been going on for almost a year,a nd which they got caught up in. And why? BECAUSE IT'S NOW THE SAME POSTERS ATTACKING O THAT ATTACKED HRC.

[Marrah_G]

31. So have I-

Now I find myself having to defend Obama in much the same way I had to defend Hillary- against the same people.

It's sort of funny. After Edwards bailed during the Primary I wasn't sure which way I was going to go. I found myself defending Hillary more and more and being VERY turned off by the behavior of the Obama side here on DU.

The honest truth is that in the end I was going to support whichever candidate won the primary. The nastiness here was unecessary and in the end cost us some good DUers.

I'm glad people are starting to see it now and I am hoping that someone will put a stop to the bullying behavior once and for all.

[LostinVA]

32. I know -- I feel like it's Primary Wars -- Uber Edition

I'm STILL defending HRC from the same old 20+ years garbage, and I'm also now defending PE Obama like I've been defending HRC for the past 11 months-- AGAINST THE SAME PEOPLE!!!!

Very, very telling.

I voted for him and turned a few people into changing their votes for him, even though I'm still not sure about how he'll govern to my interests and civil rights. But, I'm willing to give the man a year to get up and running, even if I don't agree with all of his cabinet picks at the end (Daschle is a wtf? for me). But, I'M WILLING TO SUPPORT HIM AND GIVE HIM A CHANCE. And, I am an ardent HRC supporter (even though I want her to stay in the SEnate). But, who are the ones supporting him and waiting to see what happens? And who are the ones crying."WE have a right to criticize him -- blah blah blah." Believe me, I will be one of the first to call Obama on shit, but now is not the time. There's a reason why companies give employees a 90-day trial period.

"Supporters" is what I called them then, and it's what they are now.

[pnwmom]

11. I think you're right. For example, the Hillary haters are still at large -- only now

they're furious with Obama for considering appointing her to SOS.

And the DLC haters are furious with Obama for tapping some DLC people.

[LostinVA]

26. I could have written this reply -- it should be an OP -- excellent!

[1corona4u]

6. I fucking hate this board lately...

all shit, all the time. I have a very low threshold for stupidity, and stupid people. I swear, some of the people on this board need to get a life. This shit consumes them, even if it's garbage spun out by the rightwing media. It's like they no longer separate fact from fantasy...or delusion.

Oh, and the first person to slam me, will be one that is 'guilty' of what I just said.

[Kokonoe]

15. Not slamming, good to you.

It's time to rebuild America from the pieces left by b*sh.

[bdamomma]

33. we have alot rebuilding to do.

and everyone needs to pitch in.

[DevonRex]

49. I feel the same way. Seriously, the grip on reality was lost

completely about 10 days ago. Might as well go read what the Freepers are saying. At least I know what their motivation is. Here, not so much.

[1corona4u]

71. I agree....this is the whole reason I will stay an Independent.

Democrats make me so fucking mad. So republicans for that matter. But, democrats; never happy, they're always slighted, always ignored, etc., always bitching, and constantly irrational.

[smalll]

7. Clearly, a lot of them (at least here at this site) AGREED with the Hannities of this world --

they believed that Obama was going to be a Reverend Wright/Bill Ayers/"anti-American" President. They were hoping for it, rather than fearing it. Now that those hopes and fears have been put to rest, they can't deal with it. :shrug:

[scheming daemons]

65. You were one of the ones predicting Obama was going to be that kind of President....

...I haven't forgotten you from months ago.

[paulk]

8. they are DU's Drama Queens

it gets them attention and that's the primary reason they post here

it has nothing to do with politics

[pecwae]

18. Just like this OP.

[smalll]

10. Obama's TRUE dirty secret middle name: "Hussein" ? That's not it. "Not Dennis Kucinich" rather.

I can't wait 'til Inauguration Day, when he gets sworn in on that Bible, and he actually says his middle name...

"I, Barack Not-Dennis-Kucinich Obama, do solemnly swear ..."

[pnwmom]

12. I thought it was

Barack --not-the-Green-candidate -Obama.

:shrug:

[CarbonDate]

82. Yes, his middle name would appear to be "Clinton".

Which isn't that bad, but I think a lot of people figure if they wanted a return of the Clinton White House, they'd have voted for Clinton.

[snake in the grass]

14. I predict...

...that in a year's time these people will hate Obama almost as much as they hate the Clintons. It is very disturbing to witness this here on DU. As long as I have been politically conscious I have always been drawn towards the left because the left always had the better arguments and a more sane stance on pretty much everything. That's why it disappoints me even more to look at my own side and see, in part, a raving, foaming-at-the-mouth mob and Obama hasn't even assumed office yet. From Republicans it's to be expected, but from the left? We are our own worst enemy sometimes. Sad, very sad.

[LostinVA]

29. I predict you're right

[Sunnyshine]

16. I am committed to supporting PE Obama- but was committed to changing politics as usual first.

Barack said it is not about him- it is about us. I intend to stay focused on the "us" part until we see the important changes we need.

[Warren Stupidity]

17. That's it. You found us out. We are Hannityites and Pumas!

Drats. Our secrets have been revealed.

Most of the criticism on this board is in regards to the disappointingly center-right cabinet choices. Name one progressive Democrat chosen so far. Some of us would prefer just a little balance. The fact that we criticize choices made doesn't mean we aren't glad he won, doesn't mean we don't think Obama is human (wtf?), and certainly doesn't mean we don't think he knows what he is doing. It means that the progressive left has political differences with a center-right Obama administration. Oh well. Fight each other in the primaries, fight together for the general election, and then start fighting again over policy issues when we win. It is called politics.

[Shiver]

20. *sigh*

'Most of the criticism on this board is in regards to the disappointingly center-right cabinet choices. Name one progressive Democrat chosen so far. Some of us would prefer just a little balance.'

Do I really have to say it again?

There have been FIVE TOTAL PICKS FOR THE CABINET SO FAR! There are still TEN open spaces. And none of the five have been truly confirmed.

Fighting doesn't help us, it causes disunity, which the Republicans have made an art form out of capitalizing on. Not to say we can't disagree or discuss, far from it. What we need to avoid is outright fighting.

[DCBob]

21. Yes, I am sure there will be a couple of "acceptable" progressives selected.

Obama has promised a diverse and balanced administration.

[Warren Stupidity]

22. Right. So it is only five for five.

No need for us to do anything other than chant GoBama!

There is nothing wrong at all with arguing about policy, at least we agree on that. If you wish to avoid fighting, perhaps you might not want to headline your posts with the insulting and dismissive *sigh*.

[Shiver]

23. You misunderstand

But I apologize if you or anyone else found it insulting. The *sigh* was because I've had to say this about two dozen times now. I'm actually considering making an OP that I can just link to...

There is a difference between fighting and debating. Debate is healthy, and lets all voices be heard and all angles be considered. Fighting, on the other hand, is more about proving the other person wrong and yourself right, usually with the use of bloated rhetoric and insults, than in finding a solution.

Personally, I want to see the Cabinet filled with people that can carry out the agenda of the President, regardless of ideology. Do I want progressives on in a few slots? Of course I do; but what if the progressives people want in the Cabinet don't want to accept the offer? Maybe Kucinich or Dean were offered posts, but they turned them down; this, naturally, would not be released to the public, as they would not like to be seen "snubbing" the new President.

That, of course, is nothing more than a guess. Has anyone heard/read something that gives any indication that specific progressives would like to be in the Cabinet? If you have, please provide me with the link. :)

[bvar22]

64. "Fighting" takes two.

Otherwise.....:shrug:
"I've had to say this about two dozen times now..."
Hang on the Cross much?
Who forced you?
Is this a personal mission?



Perhaps you should look in a mirror.

[Raineyb]

24. Lovely, another "why don't you just STFU and not attempt to hold our President Elect's feet to

the fire.

How quickly we forget what happened during the 90's.

That's the exactly same attitude people had in the 90's. Don't say too much that's not the party line one of ours is on the White House. Where exactly did that get us?

If people don't speak up their voices will be drowned out by the corporatist and there's no doubt that if they had their way nothing that benefits the rest of us would be passed. I don't think there's anything wrong with keeping a close eye on who's being appointed.

[political_Dem]

27. I second that. That's exactly what's going on here.

I've never seen so many people worried about others trying to put different takes on the pertinent issues of the day. Dissent is healthy. People shouldn't be afraid of it.

[AtomicKitten]

58. I third that.

[LostinVA]

30. No, it's "quit bashing PE Obama and other Dems -- we shouldn't bash our own"

Because, it is often bashing.

[Raineyb]

34. Voicing concern about appointees is not bashing.

And those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. I don't want a repeat of the ignoring of the people in favor of the corporatist policies like we had in the 90's.

Regards

[DCBob]

36. How do you feel about the corporatist policies we had in the 2000's?

[Raineyb]

38. I don't like corportatist policies period. I don't care if it comes from Republicans or Democrats

The difference seems to be that some Democrats seem incapable or unwilling to recognize corporatist policies when the front-person is a Democrat. I see no reason why we should not try our hardest to keep as many corporatists away from the halls of power as possible.

Why the hell would you think that I would be any more in favor of the corporatist policies pushed by the Bushes if I'm complaining about the corporatist nonsense from the 90's? Are you seriously trying to imply that I think that the last 8 years were good ones?

Regards

[DCBob]

43. Rainey, I think you are looking for a revolution that does not exist.

Obama is promising change and I believe he will deliver that but it likely won't be as revolutionary as you and some others are hoping for. I agree with alot of what you are saying but I am a pragmatist and realize those extreme idealistic goals are way out there somewhere -- but heck who knows -- it might happen. Obama just being elected was revolutionary!

[LostinVA]

39. It's bashing

[Raineyb]

41. No it's not. And that line doesn't sound any better coming from Democrats

than it did when the Republicans used it.

Regards

[LostinVA]

52. Yes, it is

[Raineyb]

67. Repeating the same nonsense incessantly doesn't make it so.

Didn't work for Bush and he had the whole MSM on his side.

Regards

[joshcryer]

77. More like "Obama supporters may actually in fact not have been Obama supporters."

More like "Obama supporters who were either caught up in the moment and failed to recognize that he was merely another politician, or they are intentionally trying to start stuff by being the most negative people in existance."

[LostinVA]

25. I called it to my wife back in March

I said this would happen if he won, and it has. If it wasn't Senator Clinton, it would be Daschle, or whom or whatever. Supportes my ass. "Supporters" is more like it.

[scheming daemons]

66. In March, you were bashing Obama relentlessly....

...I haven't forgotten you.

Don't pretend to be different.

[JTFrog]

84. So was the OP. n/t

[JamesA1102]

37. I have full confidence in President Obama.

If I thought I could put a better team together, I'd have run for President myself.

[L0oniX]

40. Like anyone is going to care that you are disappointed.

:evilgrin:

[last1standing]

42. Its funny, I always thought I was supporting a political philosophy, not some deity.

I supported, and currently support, President-Elect Obama because he was, and is, the best person for the job among the candidates presented. That doesn't mean I agree with everything he believes or think that he should be given free reign to do as he likes without input or discussion. That's called a dictatorship and it's something that anyone actually living in the U.S. for the past eight years should be tired of.

Besides, the stupidity of posting a thread insulting those of us who question Obama's decisions and then stating that we're the ones who believe that he doesn't want to be challenged is incredible. Those of us who really support him, understand that he thrives on being challenged. In fact, this is when he rises to his best performances. Its his most crawling worshipers who think any comment that doesn't explicitly praise him is heresy who do him an injustice. Just as you are now.

Sooo.....


Shame on you.

[BeFree]

44. Ahh yes

Well, we heard all the questions before the election. The mcpalin camp blasted Obama every chance they got, on all manor of minor things. We all thought that was over and done with.

So we log on and what do we see? More of the same. Couched in different terms is all.

No one is saying you can't question Obama's decisions. It is the way that it is done... all too similar to the mcpalin camp's derision.

[last1standing]

50. There's the problem, you're saying "no one is saying..." when some actually are.

Look, if I say that I don't like the choice of Daschle as HHS Secretary because of his past record of appeasing conservatives and his ineffectual term as Majority Leader in the Senate, that's an argument. If you then say that Dashle had this accomplishment or that accomplishment, that's a rebuttal. Fantastic!

The problem is that some of our loudest members are spamming threads with nothing more than name calling and snark. They create flamewars and intimidate posters who disagree with them. That is not debate, it is bullying. It's also bullying to post threads that insult an entire group of DUers who do have honest differences with some of Obama's decisions thus far because these posters know their cohorts will rec these threads and post their own snide insults all for the purpose of telling others that criticism is not allowed at DU.

As I've said before, this is either a political message board or its a cooking forum. If we can't have honest political debate then what is DU's purpose?

[BeFree]

51. You're right

Some here are saying that you should shut up and leave Obama alone for now. And they do so, imo, with good reason. Reasons that have to do with the fact that most of the comments are so palin like.

If you are unhappy here that some posters are expressing their opinions then maybe the problem is you? Just asking, not accusing.

Now, if you want to express disagreement with Obama's selections, you are absolutely free to do so... start your own OP. Then make your case that you feel put upon if others reply in opposition to you. There have been many such reasonable type posts here which I have read and not replied to.

But the posters who claim that they can't believe someone is bullying and criticizing them for being critical, are, well, they are obscene.

[last1standing]

53. Recipe for Apple Pie follows:

You say that there are good reasons for telling people to shut up but then you say that we should be able to discuss and disagree. That's not really valid.

Let's be honest here. Yes, there are disruptors and hand-wringers looking to stir up trouble and bring down forum morale. They've always been here and always will be. It's the nature of any board. Conversely, there are self-appointed forum police who love nothing better than to decide what discussion is permissible and what is not. They work to stifle any thought that doesn't coincide with their own. They will also always be here.

The problem is when the average DUer is made to feel like posting an opinion is wrong or that DU isn't a forum for valid political debate between Democrats across the spectrum. That is what is happening now. If you really believe that a poster is disrupting, hit the alert button and tell the mods. If you aren't sure then ask a few questions to find out. Don't just spam any thread with an opinion you don't like with insults and snark. That is intimidation, not discussion, and it is happening far too often right now.

Anyway, here's my favorite apple pie recipe. Since this forum is quickly turning into a fansite instead of a discussion board at least something useful should be posted.
http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/Moms-Apple-Pie-I/Detail.aspx

INGREDIENTS
* 1 recipe pastry for a 9 inch double crust pie
* 3/4 cup white sugar
* 2 tablespoons all-purpose flour
* 1/8 teaspoon salt
* 1 teaspoon ground cinnamon
* 1/4 teaspoon ground nutmeg
* 6 tart apples - peeled, cored and sliced
* 2 tablespoons butter
* 2 tablespoons whiskey

DIRECTIONS
1. Preheat oven to 450 degrees F (225 degrees C). Fit bottom crust into a 9 inch pie plate.
2. In a small bowl, mix together sugar, flour, salt, cinnamon, and nutmeg. Place sliced apples in a large bowl and sprinkle with sugar mixture. Toss until apples are thoroughly coated. Spoon apples into pan.
3. Dot apples with butter or margarine, then sprinkle with whiskey. Cover with top crust. Seal edges and cut steam vents in top.
4. Bake in preheated oven for 10 minutes. Lower temperature to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C) and bake an additional 40 minutes. Serve warm.

Regardless of what you think of me or my opinions, try the pie. It's excellent.

[BeFree]

54. I'll finish this with....

....I think you are taking all this way too personal. Shit happens, and anyone trying to micro-manage not only this board, but Obama too, may have some other problems, eh?

[last1standing]

56. Stating my opinions is micro-managing?

Physician, heal thyself!

But try the pie in the meantime.

[mkultra]

45. Its only the Obama haters from the primaries that bash him now

like you i guess. but you made it clear that at this point your "actually" glad he won. So i guess your coming around.

[PeaceNikki]

46. K&R

[TwilightGardener]

47. It surprises you that some of his staunchest supporters are still independent thinkers

who can disagree with him at times? You must have believed the "cult" bullshit during the primaries.

[PeaceNikki]

48. Disagreeing at times and what is happening here are very different things.

[CakeGrrl]

59. What *IS* happening here? I don't get the level of upset with disagreement

I've seen people disagree with some of the cabinet picks coming out. Some are skeptical that some of those picks will be successful.

Obama himself has warned us that he won't be perfect.

Why are there so many threads up in arms over people who aren't in lockstep with what we're hearing so far?

What is happening that is so unacceptable and upsetting that it's causing people to start threads like this one?

[PeaceNikki]

61. Hmm.

Well, comparing Clinton to Pol Pot and Stalin, "defecting" from the party and claiming to run to the GOP due to Obama's picks, etc.

[Two Americas]

74. exactly

The overblown and frantic reaction to any and all criticism of Obama is itself a far bigger problem than any of the criticism of Obama is.

There is no problem, except for those who can't tolerate any criticism and are engaging in an all out effort to portray criticism and dissent as a problem - a really, really big problem, one would think from the uproar about it - and to harass and bully anyone who dares to offer up any critical opinions of anything related to Obama.

Then, when some of us complained about the obvious attempts at suppressing dissent, we had a bunch of posts about "those whiners making these false charges that dissent is being suppressed!!!" So I guess we not only cannot express dissent, we can't mention that we cannot express dissent, either.

When I first started seeing these posts, I thought they were parodies. The read like exaggerated versions of the things that Bush loyalists have been saying for the last 8 years, with the word "Obama" replacing the word "Bush." But apparently they are serious about this.

[niceypoo]

55. Many people just over-react to what they see on cable news

The level of discourse here seems to rise and fall with the rantings of the punditry. Since I stopped watching the cable rant shows, I am a lot happier politically. I might be on to something.

Getting Democrats all on the same page is like herding cats, not enough political tuna to go around.

[joshcryer]

78. Actually, no, the same vile criticisms of Obama were taken straight from the PE playbook.

That's the most ironic thing happening here, far be it for Obama to even go near anything that is remotely even barely recognized as having had anything to do with the Clintons. This is what Obama said all along and they supported him for it but when he does it they don't support him? It's ingrained into their psyches.

[GreenFiles]

57. AGREED!

You can't please everyone 100% of the time. Let the man do his job.

[cboy4]

60. Many of the notorious Obama fans who bashed Hillary

Clinton non-stop during the primaries actually thought they knew, and frankly, still think they know considerably more than the president-elect.

It's laughable.

[TriMetFan]

62. I don't understand all the bashing,

I have seen here in DU over President Obama's picks. The man has to stop the blood flow and he is doing his best by having his chickens in line. So to the people that keep bashing his picks, stop and give the man a chance. We voted for him, now stand with him.

[rvablue]

68. Funny, TritMeFan, check out both of our avatars...

and we are the ones advocating that people give him a chance........

I'll take it you voted for Hillary in the primary.
So did I.
Then quickly and happily went over to Obama. I was in awe of his campaign. I'm SO ecstatic that he is our next president. Not just because he is a Dem but I really like and trust him.

And here we are on DU everyday, defending him against those who would have bashed us and our decision in the primary.

Ironic.
And sad.
Oy!

[TriMetFan]

75. Yep! How right you are.

[MyNameGoesHere]

69. I know what you mean, the ranks of the DUCP

<Democratic Underground Concern Police> has definitely been depleted. Why not more than a few weeks ago you could go blind by all the "Your concern is noted" replies.

[Whisp]

70. nice try...

fail.

[wisteria]

72. I am no chicken with his head cut off, but I have honest concerns about

being mislead on matters such as the war and our policies overseas, the rescinding of the tax breaks for the rich and the idea that he was a visionary with bold ideas and an agent for change. Frankly, I haven't seen any vision or change, just a trip back to the Clinton years.

[Name removed]

73. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Sunnyshine]

79. I think this is overstating things a lot. Can you show me an example of these headless chickens?

No one needs permission to express interests in the political decisions taking place in our government.

This is a political forum and questions are natural to any forum. It is not about PE Barack Obama- it is about us. I think Obama is doing a great job so far, and if a person doesn't like a certain somebody, then what is the crime in saying that?

There are plenty of people that Obama will inherit for about a year that I know most of supporters would frown on. He has put together a well thought out cabinet and it will continue to evolve over 4-8 yrs- hopefully.

I do not see all these "concerned Obama supporter"threads that has everyone up in arms. I do see people running around flaming and calling DUers whiners, fake dissenters, haters, squealers, self-martyrs, chickens, and squawkers who "piss on themselves."

Nice huh?

Nobody is throwing that kind of vitriol around about PE Obama, but it is acceptable to say to other people and supporters of this forum? So now, most of his ardent supporters of the progressive stripe are being bashed as a group because there are a few who risked openly sharing concerns.

This OP is hyperbole with a title that calls out- and then smears fellow participants of this forum. Sorry, I don't see why everyone is soooo concerned with the few people people who post OP's that reflect on the politics of this moment. Jaysus. The interests and concerns we've all had were here long before Obama ran for and won the election.

Obama is listening- so don't stop working and talking just because he is taking Office.
He wants us to stay active and stay involved and ask questions.

That's how representative governance works- even with a rock star proactive soon-to-be President like him.

[debbierlus]

80. Disappointing that legitimate concern is disappointing and speaking out

My main concern isn't about Obama. It is about the fact that the corporate system has collapsed and they are stealing our entire economy. Frankly, I don't know what the hell he is going to do to fix this utter disaster. All I know is that when the US starts lending 7.4 trillion dollars to a bank when we don't have ANY money, we are living in the twilight zone. It is like a great big game of pretend. The US Titanic...let's have them play chamber music and waltz while we talk about how we will repair the damage with NO money and NO manufacturing base.

[Orsino]

81. How terribly disappointing that so many people are staying engaged...

...rather than shutting up and waiting for policy to be handed down on high?

Uh-uh. This is what democracy smells like. It's the cat-herding job that Obama, perhaps better than anyone else, knew he was signing up for.

Obama's not afraid of our scrutiny. We shouldn't be, either.

[JTFrog]

83. Get the fuck over yourself with your self-righteous finger wagging.

Seriously.

You were every bit as uncivil throughout the primaries and elections. So basically you are saying you are glad he won despite your own actions here.

You do realize that there is a handy little search feature at DU aren't you?


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[eridani]

85. Odd how Obama's campaign emphasised permanent civic involvement, no?

Then why are you bitching about people being involved and putting their two cents in?

[lonestarnot]

86. I just want to see him do exactly what he's already told us he would do.

I will settle for an occasional lump, but I want to see no backsliding on the take back of the tax gift to the rich motherfuckers who continue to steal from us! Stop the vacuum cleaners, hoover- hosing-motherfuckers! Study it,fine, but he should listen to the input from his grand advisors, and then take it back from those who won't even feel the tax increase to Clinton levels. It's the right damn thing to do, and what does a few billion mean these days, when trillions is the modern day budget talk. If the study of the take back in terms of the stimulus slow down turn out to be insignificant in terms of jobs creation, then fuck it, take it tomorrow! on edit...

That's what Abe Lincoln would have done. :evilgrin: