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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 08:39 AM
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Myth: Early, passionate supporters of Obama are some of his most vocal
critics. DUers who supported Obama before the primaries began are not among his most vocal critics here. Not that there would be anything wrong with that. But I haven't seen any evidence that that's true.

If you supported Obama before the primaries started, please check in here and indicate whether you're satisfied with Obama so far, or are among his most vocal critics. I'll start:

I started supporting Obama in December of '07, and I'm satisfied with his perfomance since election day- even if I don't love every appointment.

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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 08:43 AM
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1. Once Kucinich dropped out I was an Obama supporter
I think he's doing a fine job. I'll reserve judgment until after he's sworn in and on the job a bit.
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 08:44 AM
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2. I wasn't here during the primaries
But my "resume" is pretty much the same as yours. I'm happy with his selections, mostly because I'd rather see an administration filled with those who can get shit done, rather than those who think like me.

Ability trumps ideology. Come see me when his Cabinet is actually full before you start complaining, and maybe I'll be more apt to agree. :P
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 08:44 AM
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3. Been a supporter since Day One and have faith in his judgment and, therefore, in the appointments
he's made to date. He doesn't just make them willy-nilly; Obama, I think, has a
vision of the whole picture and what he wants to achieve and chooses people accordingly.
His campaign was amazing and his instincts are right on, so I am looking forward
with great anticipation to his first (and second) term(s) as President.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 05:30 PM
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66. Same here.
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DangerousRhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 07:59 PM
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67. In complete agreement...
I'm perfectly fine with his picks so far. If people are upset or concerned, I'd never personally call them out for it because we all have our expectations and reasons for them, but for me, hey... I'm good. When I think of the last eight years and how much my perspectives have changed and how much hardship our country has seen under the Bush administration, I can't help but smile now and say okay, things WILL get better. :)
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 08:45 AM
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Supporter since '04
I'm good with his choices and his plans. I trusted him enough to vote for him, I'm surely not going to second guess him before he gets a chance to do the job. One of the best things about Obama is that he doesn't play politics the way others think he should. He won on that premise.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 08:45 AM
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4. oh, I agree. His most vocal critics are the ones we knew would be
The never-satisfied-until-my-ass-is-kissed "progressives."
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 08:46 AM
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5. I've made a similar observation about his critics.
BTW, I've always been an Obama supporter (repeat... supporter).
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 08:47 AM
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6. why would you want to start shit.......stop being an instigator
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 08:52 AM
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9. really? this OP is starting shit? That's nonsense.
I diss no one in it. I simply make note of the myth that early supporters of Obama are among him most vocal critics now. Oh, and gasp, I ask his early supporters to check in and not where they're at.

Shocking, I tell you, just shocking.

Knock it off.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 08:56 AM
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12. okay
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 03:50 PM
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50. Yes, you're starting shit.
I voted for Obama in my primary.
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 08:47 AM
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7.  I was an early supporter
Ever since 2004 actually. The man hasn't taken office yet. His appointments? Well, I think he's the smartest polititian I've seen, so I am going to give him the benefit of any doubt. The hoopla about the tax "rollback" versus "expiration" is just speculation at this point. I truly believe that Obama has the good of the nation at heart.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 08:48 AM
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8. I am sick of your and other DU'ers meta-analysis of WHO is criticizing Obama's picks
Edited on Mon Nov-24-08 08:50 AM by cryingshame
and performance and why people choose to do so.

This is barely different than calling DU'ers out.

At this point, I have to control my urge to launch an obscenity laced rant...

Who I supported in the primaries and WHEN is besides the point to how I gauge his current performance.

And the fact is, except for the inexcusably stupid blunder of picking Clinton for SoS, I have little to say about his appointments.

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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 08:53 AM
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10. It's not that way for everyone
I think that's the OP's point.

Many people didn't support him in the primaries and didn't accept the fact that he was the nominee. Many people are looking for anything to justify the fact that they never supported him.

You may have been able to rise above any primary favoritism but that's not the case for many people.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 08:53 AM
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11. lol. tough shit.
and no I'm certainly not calling anyone out. Oh and i could give a flying fuck about your whining.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 09:04 AM
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14. heh
you don't like us questioning the people who criticize our Mr. Obama?

And you say he blundered picking Clinton as sos? So, were I scairt of you, i'd just let that slam on Obama slide, but i ain't so i'll say: it is idiotic and palin like to say that Obama made an ""inexcusably stupid blunder"".

Whats fair is fair.

Now, if you can't control yourself any longer, please, let it out. Show us what else you are hiding.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:03 AM
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20. Did you respond tjiis way to the threads that claimed the myth that Cali is fighting against?
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 04:34 PM
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59. A-FUCKING-MEN! OP is a one trick pony these days
gets tiresome.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 03:15 AM
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74. Pointing out poster behavior can be useful.
People can recognize this behavior and ignore it, and even mods can intervene and shut it down if it's too out of hand. It's called realizing when you're in a shitfest.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 09:42 AM
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79. it's not shit, it's META-shit!
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 09:03 AM
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13. I started Nov 06 and I am just as thrilled as ever.. maybe more.
Edited on Mon Nov-24-08 09:04 AM by DCBob
GoObama!!! Yes we can!! WooHoo!!

:bounce: :toast: :party: :fistbump: :headbang:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 09:06 AM
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15. I have liked Obama
since watching his preach at the 2004 DNC.

In the early phase of the 2008 democratic primary, I kept an open mind. I sent checks to most of the candidates, because I thought the larger debates were good for everyone involved. I voted for Obama in the NYS primary. There has been nothing since that has caused me to second guess that vote.

In the general election season, I continued to support Obama. I voted for him on Election Day. Nothing since then has caused me to have even a fraction of a second's doubt that I made the correct choice.

I agree with your position in the OP.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 04:03 PM
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53. i will just mostly second h20's post.
i was a supporter in '04, crossed my fingers for al for a while, then jumped on the barack bus. i would have been a fan 20 years ago when he came to chicago if i had known him. i would have been grateful that he did so much to get carol mosely braun elected if i had known.
i put in shoe leather, tire rubber, gas, money, sweat, and artistic production to get him elected. i couldn't be any more proud. i have not entertained an iota of doubt.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 09:41 AM
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16. Made my first donation September 07
Perfectly happy with Obama.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:00 AM
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17. I started supporting Obama after Iowa. His appointments bother me a lot.
Edited on Mon Nov-24-08 10:01 AM by JVS
I don't like what certain members of the party are doing when they trash Howard Dean, and I think that he's letting some untrustworty people through the door. I find it disgusting when people who have done nothing but complain about Obama for the past 10 months (and then kind of clammed up after he became the nominee, but never have indicated any kind of loyalty) suddenly demand we all demonstrate trust in him just because they like what is rumored to be an appointment. I think there is a massive amount of pressure being exerted behind the scenes by the wrong factions of the party and I sincerely hope that Obama knows how to out-fox the foxes. Of course some people here would like to try to hush up my misgivings about the situation as bashing Obama. Let me be perfectly clear: it's not him, it's them. I like seeing Obama run around with some of the people he is allowing into his administration about as much as the shepherd likes to see the wolf in his pasture or as gladly as the father of the 17 year old daughter receives the visitation of 3 college freshman home for thanksgiving, reeking of peppermint schnapps, and with lascivious smirks on their faces.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:33 AM
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29. That's a stretch
Equating Obama's decisions with 17 year old sex, and wolves in with the sheep. It amazes me how yall go to the furthest ends in an attempt to justify your concerns.

Just remember that we all put up with similar stretches from the mcpalin camp. It all rings so familiar that it disgusts us.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 11:53 AM
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40. I wasn't equating his decisions with that, I was equating my apprehension with that of the...
shepherd and the father. I don't trust the people who are coming into the new administration.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 12:12 PM
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41. Your apprehension is like.....
....having wolves and sexual predators hanging around because Obama is allowing them into his administration. Is that better?

Still a stretch. Can you see why it kinda disgusts me? It's like saying Obama doesn't have a clue.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 12:14 PM
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42. Oh bullshit.
Edited on Mon Nov-24-08 12:14 PM by JVS
I didn't say he has no clue. I'm saying that a lot of real shitheads are exerting a lot of pressure and I hope he can best them.

Now welcome to ignore because I don't care if my opinion disgusts you and I don't care what you have to say.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 12:20 PM
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43. Alrighteee then.....
Edited on Mon Nov-24-08 12:21 PM by BeFree
Just about what I've come to expect from posters whom when questioned about their own words are nearly always bound to do.... run away. I am welcome to be on such ignored lists. TYVM
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:02 AM
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18. I supported Obama shortly before the primaries
Edited on Mon Nov-24-08 10:05 AM by Jennicut
I really wanted Gore to run but when he did not, I went to Obama and loved when he won Iowa. I am completely totally satisfied with him right now. I want an experienced administration to come in and get things done. Many don't realize or get that Obama sets the agenda and people carry it out for him. I don't care who he picks as long as they know what they are doing. Carter, Clinton, and W. Bush all screwed up their transitions by picking inexperienced cronies to run things in the early days. Obama is trying to show us he is serious about getting stuff through congress. I love Howard Dean and liberals too but I want change so I want people who know how govt. works.
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johnlucas Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:02 AM
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19. Been on board since January 2008
Edited on Mon Nov-24-08 10:12 AM by johnlucas
Wasn't even interested in this political scene this year 'cause I was so demoralized by the inherent corruption I saw all politics as. I told myself I wasn't even going to vote this year despite me being Black and feeling connected to what my ancestors went through to have the right. I had voted in every presidential election since I was 20 (1996) and vote in my local elections too despite growing doubts about the validity of the whole process.

I watched some YouTube clips after seeing a news report on some cable network and I started getting into the guy. He sounded fresh and different and was basically the even-headed thinker I've always wanted in an elected official. The more I listened the more I was impressed (and not just Barack either, his wife Michelle persuaded me too) and before long I was enthused about the guy. I said Finally the Real Deal! Not a phony. Not owned by these powers that be. I rejoiced at every primary & caucus he took and even spoke up about him to my skeptical cousin along with people at work.

I "knew" some things he said on the trail were in response to a reality of racism that could kill his chances to get to the White House so I let some things slide thinking more of strategical purposes than integral purposes. I thought he handled the Rev. Wright situation well the first time in March. Not many people were going to understand or want to understand how right on the Rev. was in what he was saying (because of background and how he said it) and by Barack doing that speech in March, he showed fresh understanding and courage by not selling down the river someone who had been a great part of his life. I was annoyed by his insistences of "my FORMER pastor" and how he tried sometimes too hard to put distance between himself and Wright but I "understood" the reason why.

But after the late April situation when Wright made those appearances and Barack just tossed him aside I for the first time halted in favor of Obama. I DIDN'T agree that Wright had to shutup and not speak his mind just because Barack was running for president. I felt that this was one guy who was going to keep Barack honest in his dealings with a corrupt machine like D.C. He was outspoken and animated for sure but he made a lot of sense. Barack said the man was like family to him and for goodness sake he married Barack to Michelle, baptized his kids, and turned Barack over to the whole Christian religion in the first place when he came to that church! Jeremiah Wright WAS the Trinity United Church of Christ! LITERALLY! That church was made in his vision and being a member of that church for over 20 years means INDEED that Barack has allegiances to much of what is said in that church. That doesn't mean they agree 100% but I bet for damn sure it's at least 80%. For God's sake the title of one of his books was titled after an excerpt from one of Wright's sermons. The Republicans were right on this one. Barack & Wright have close ties to each other.

So when he just went back on everything he did in March I felt a little betrayed. I felt it was cowardly no matter the reality of racism in this country. For a week after that I sort of fell out of keeping up with Obama happenings. I eventually told myself keep eyes on the prize. Maybe the two devised this to take the issue off the table so it won't pop up later. I said just remember who this is. A Black guy with the middle name Hussein in a country with a lot of xenophobia. Just be patient. So I got back on board and waited for the long inevitability that he would push Hillary out of the running. Then it came and he was the presumptive nominee. I was happy like before and anxious for the future of how he would build his campaign.

Then he started that BS "run towards the middle" stuff & I started getting disgusted. I didn't like his seemingly programmed response to the Israel question (as if Israel has its hands clean in that conflict. both sides are complicit in that mess). And a few other things irked me a little in how he addressed things. But what turned me off of him was that FISA vote. I'm like "Obama, you're supposed to change how things run in Washington. That includes those weak Democrats. Don't vote along with them even if the law can't be stopped. Show courage and conviction by putting your record down that shows you stood against the lot like you said you did on the Iraq vote...even though you couldn't vote at the time."

I didn't like Obama because he was a Democrat, no. I hated the Democrats as much as I hated the Republicans because they were weak as pisswater when it came to standing up for the progressive principles so long needed in this country. For not standing up to those who would destroy them — established and unestablished. I was raised in a Democratic family (you better thank FDR and Civil Rights Era for all these 'loyal blacks' you got) but a few years ago I decided to stop calling myself a Democrat due to how things were run in this country. I have eyes, I can see what's around me. This is the reason why I almost gave up on voting this year. 2006 meant nothing. Absolutely nothing.

I saw Obama running in this crooked system which only allows two choices to work from the inside out to destroy it. He had to play the game a little bit to get inside but once inside he was supposed to undo the corruption that ensnares all the country's citizens. Deep undercover. I saw his rapid rise from law professor/civil rights attorney, state senator, U.S. Senator as proof that he knew he had to get to the very top to continue helping out those many figurative streets he worked with as a community organizer. That explained his ambition to me. I wanted him to be as much as an outsider as he could possibly be in order not to be bought off or controlled by the status quo. But I also wanted him to be in truth beyond the labels of Democrat and Republican only running in one of the labels in order to get elected thanks to this fixed system. A 3rd party within one of the 2 parties. A Manchurian Candidate for The People is what I saw him as.

So this FISA vote had me baffled. It was the 4th Amendment he was playing with. This is another one of Bush's destructive measures. Why would he follow the wimps of Democrat ranks and not vote against purely on principle. I said "Damn it! I've been suckered! I bought into it when I said I wouldn't!" Right then and there I threw out the reasons of racism and deep strategical manuevers and said he's just another slick smooth talker like all the rest. And I felt really bad because his backstory was so good and looked so promising. It was just like his vote on the Patriot Act. He caved into corruption and I said "well back to December when I didn't care about this crap either way."

I stopped favoriting clips of Obama stuff, stopped watching all this cable news I had been accustomed to seeing in my election fever, stopped writing on or reading message boards about him or politics altogether. I let his campaign newsletters still hit my inbox but I ignored what was said in them. I unplugged from the scene for about 3 months not giving a care what he said or did occasionally cursing his name or deed when he happened to run across my TV or internet. I had bought an Obama T-shirt earlier that I had now buried deep inside the closet and was so let down by the promise I knew his election would bring. I said it would be wasted celebration because he was not aligned with The People. I stopped caring.

It wasn't until the Democratic Convention seeing Michelle and his sister on there after seeing the hope on Black people's faces in my daily life when they talked about Obama did I relent. I said regardless his election would at least be psychologically good. To see that image of the Obamas in the White House STILL has merits. To see this president's image in international affairs STILL has merits. Breaking that barrier was STILL important regardless of the merit of the candidate. I begrudgingly voted for the basest reason, his ethnic background. Before it was only one of the many many parts of why I saw promise in him as a candidate, the top reasons being what I thought was his honesty and intelligence. Now, hook or crook, I wanted to see him make that achievement because I knew once he made it, it would make it possible for others not connected to the machine and who come less affluent backgrounds to better make it in the future. If Obama wasn't the real deal, his election will set the stage FOR the real deal.

Then after September's fiascos he started sounding like that guy I got behind in the winter and spring. "THAT'S the guy I donated money to, doggone it!" I told myself that he simply had to operate in deep strategy because the stakes were too high to fail making this achievement. I never thought I would agree with any candidate 100% but despite my past anger I contained the betrayals. I felt excited like before to help him make this achievement. His family drove this a lot. The Obama family in that White House was too perfect and the mission could not fail despite Barack's occasionally cowardly moves.

I didn't know what to think about him approving of that bailout crap since I was of two minds myself. Don't give money and watch the whole thing fail taking all those jobs with it, give money and watch them abuse it while clipping off jobs in the process. I didn't trust it but I knew things were getting bad & I didn't have a degree in macroeconomics so I let it go. I said that his negatives were outweighed by his positives and I would have to hope that his positives would be in play as he became president.

I always said this was a longshot and I still feel that any Progress to be made was almost like Powerball chances. I began to look at Obama's election as the last stand before an inevitable revolution. All I had left was hope that he was still that same guy who came to a town he didn't know full of heavy heavy college loans trying to work in the ghettos as a community organizer helping people while riding a hoopty. The guy who only recently paid off his student loans and only became a millionaire after selling those books. Rich enough to understand big money but close enough to working class to understand a working class.

Part of me still thinks the guy is good at heart and sincere, the other part wonders if this is just one really good hustler selling a tantalizing and sorely wanted image. I don't put all my eggs in one basket with Obama and some of these Cabinet choices he's making are terrible. I say if he turns out to be another loser then either I don't vote in 2012 or I vote an outside party instead (there's actually another option but I won't say it here. I'll just say it's a ten-letter word beginning with 'R').

I criticize Obama because he needs criticism. He's not God, he's a man. And he's proven in the past to make some boneheaded decisions. Everybody needs to be challenged including him and it's very American to be able to speak truth to power. To look a leader in the face and say "You're F'ing up." I still have hope that my misgivings will hold no water and he turns out to be just as good as I believed him to be when I began keeping up in January. But it doesn't mean I won't speak out in hopes that he DOES live up to that legacy. The time to coddle the Republican way is over. Take charge, take the lead, and change the entire system. Change the tone, change the parties, and change Washington.

John Lucas
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:48 AM
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33. I look forward to your announcement of your candidacy for any political office

please PM me so I can make a donation.


I look forward to seeing how you can show these weak politicians how easy it can be done.
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johnlucas Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 05:19 PM
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63. Snarkiness won't solve the problem
You think your sarcasm undoes what I said but what I said is the truth.
As a whole the Democrats are scared of the Republicans and will not challenge them with conviction. They cave in time and time again to what the Republicans want and that's why you haven't seen any real progress for the past 4 decades.

The Democrats don't even have the guts to stand by their own platform preferring to appear like a lighter version of the Republicans to get elected. Many people look at the Democrats as the party with the best interests of The People in mind but is that really true?

Don't get it twisted. I am no longer a Democrat and I'll say that loud and proud again and again. I have no love for either party and the only reason I vote with the Democrats is because they have incorporated the Progressive Movement into their body. Like when Coca-Cola absorbs another smaller soda company.

I voted for Obama not because he was a Democrat but because I hoped he would be able to work within this party to transform it into something better. Yeah, I said it. The Democrats are WEAK and this is why The People's causes have fallen by the wayside for decade upon decade. It begins with calling out injustice for what it is and DOING something about it. As much as you saw these idiots get all indignant over steroids in baseball, wouldn't it be nice to see them apply this scrutiny to something that actually matters?

John Lucas
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:08 AM
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21. I came fully on board when Kerry endorsed him.
I'm happy with what I see so far.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:09 AM
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22. I don't see this as productive at all.
Edited on Mon Nov-24-08 10:10 AM by Harvey Korman
What is the point of this? To separate out his "true" supporters, who wouldn't dare criticize anything he does?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:17 AM
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26. not at all. the point. there are repeated claims that the most vocal
Obama critics come from the ranks of his early supporters. I don't think that's true. And I'm curious where his early supporters stand. Anyone is free to post or not post on this thread. Some people are posting criticism. Others aren't. Either way that's fine with me.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:20 AM
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27. I think you're right and it's only a matter of time before the media
pick this up to use on him.

I didn't support him until Edwards dropped out.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:41 AM
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31. to show that the people "concerned" are really just hold over haters from the primary.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:11 AM
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23. I was an Obama supporter since his 2004 speech. n/t
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:13 AM
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24. supported him before and completly love his appointments
hes setting a clear tone of unity.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:15 AM
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25. What is most vocal critics? It seems each time somebody disagrees and
expresses his disagreement, he becomes a "most vocal critic" here.

For the record, I started supported Obama in Feb 07 and while there are a lot of things I agree with, there are also things I disagree with (some of them I knew when I decided to support him) and will continue to say so.

Now, when I post I do not like Clinton at State, or that I think it is an error to put Republicans at the top of the security team (because it reinforces the meme that Democrats are weak in national security), am I a vocal critic of Obama or am I exercising my right to freedom of speech. Just letting you decide because you have started multiple threads on this topic.
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darkism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:20 AM
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28. Supporter since 2004 and I don't think anyone has a right to bitch until...
Edited on Mon Nov-24-08 10:21 AM by darkism
...he, you know, actually STARTS GOVERNING.

Also, "change" as Barack used it in the campaign does not mean turning the USA into a social democratic paradise like Sweden overnight (although that would be nice.) Can't DU agree that any change, any move towards progress and away from the GOP policies that have wrecked this country is good? Or are we too caught up in bitching that it's "not good enough" (before the man has even been sworn in, no less) to see how incredibly lucky we are to have a competent leader instead of a mean old kook and his wolf-killing sidekick?
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:34 AM
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30. since August 04
I have supported him and wanted him as my president.
Hillary has yet to earn my respect, I don't like her. But I love Obama and have to assume he has a plan. If it turns out she willingly walks point and takes the fire for him on some tough issues (good cop/bad cop), maybe I will grow some admniration. Maybe.
The John Brennan CIA thing is just plain confusing.
I like all the other appointments.
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:47 AM
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32. Come on Cali
you know that your sample (those early supporters who reply to your post) will be terribly biased and hence your poll will only prove what is obvious to anyone, namely, that some early supporters of Obama are not among his most vocal critics at this time.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 11:20 AM
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37. this isn't a poll and anyone is obviously free to check in and
comment. and this thread won't prove or disprove anything.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:56 AM
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34. I supported him in early 2007, so I guess I'm an early supporter.
I am fine with how he's been doing so far, with the lone exception of appointing Hillary Clinton as SoS. I feel that there were better choices.
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JimWis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 11:02 AM
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35. I have supported him since he first came on the scene. And I still
Edited on Mon Nov-24-08 11:16 AM by JimWis
have faith in his judgment. He has a mountain of problems to face, but it will be exciting to watch him dig into it. I don't see a problem with criticizing Obama at this point, but it is how it is done. Example - If a person is unhappy about a certain cabinet pick that might happen, it is ok to say so. Or if they are happy about it, do state that too. What bothers me is the fact that before the pick is actually confirmed, and it is just rumor, or a supposed leak, or some staff person said this or that, or media spin - some individuals treat it like it is a done deal. And right away we hear - that's it - I want my vote for Obama back. Perhaps they might want to hold the final judgment, after their fears are confirmed. Just my humble opinion.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 11:16 AM
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36. Some of his loudest 'supporters'
have become loud again

Ironically, most who supported other candidates are now content with the situation. Telling, indeed.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 11:22 AM
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38. I'm fine with all he has done so far except some reservations about possible AG nominee
Eric Holder. I think we need somebody absolutely above board for AG, with no questionable actions in their past. Other than that, I'm fine.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 11:26 AM
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39. Early supporter. Still cautiously optimistic.

Lincoln had a big advantage with his team of rivals. Some White House insider claiming Lincoln is involved in this or that scandalous behavior wasn't going to get much attention in light of the fact that Lincoln was fighting the civil war. Obama does not have that luxury/support. So I worry, but not excessivly so. You certainly don't see me repeatedly posting concern messages about it.


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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 12:21 PM
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44. I'm a very early supporter, and I'm not at all disappointed. nt
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 12:30 PM
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45. I've been an obama supporter since February 2007, and I'm fine with what hes doing...except one pick
:P


But Im over that one
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:05 PM
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46. Ardent supporter from the start supporting him ardently now.
Edited on Mon Nov-24-08 01:06 PM by FrenchieCat
I'm not here to judge him on his appointments,
I'm here to see what these appointments do,
and that is something that won't be known
until some time.

I'd want time, considering the enormity of the task,
and so, I'm willing to give time to the person
that I have supported and worked to get elected
for the last year.

To do otherwise would be to defeat myself.

I can't afford that....not even a little bit.

In other words, my life depends on the success of this President,
and so I will do what I can to see him succeed,
as my quest is not to see myself or America fail in this endeavor,
of patching our nation back together,
after it being violently fucked for the last 8 years.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:14 PM
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47. I've been on board since Iowa
Edited on Mon Nov-24-08 01:15 PM by Sebastian Doyle
The only appointment that really bugs me right now is Hillary, and that's simply because she's advocated the Bush Crime Family/PNAC foreign policy disasters, including their push for a war in Iran, and that is simply unacceptable. I don't believe having her as Secretary of State sends the right message to the rest of the world, or even to America, for that matter.

I was initially skeptical about some of the economic team, but after reading Robert Reich's endorsement, I feel better about them - though I still would rather see Reich himself in there rather than a Rubin disciple like Larry Summers.

Economics and foreign policy are the two areas where ALL the administrations of the last 28 years have fucked up BIG TIME, and that's where the "Change" really needs to hit hard.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:16 PM
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48. Supporter since November 07, and I think he's doing fine so far.
I hope he doesn't pick Janet Napolitano, just because we need her here. But she is qualified for the job.
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Prism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 03:17 PM
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49. '06ish, taking a wait and see
While I'm not entirely thrilled with some of his appointments, the fact of the matter is I cannot say with any certainty what effect they will have on his policy or governance. We have yet to see him in a position of leadership in an executive office, so how his personality plays against the personalities of those he appoints is unknown.

And I'm probably one of the few people around here who likes it when a president governs from the center. I still don't understand the Clinton decision. It's very fox in the henhouse to me. But hey, as long as Senator Clinton carries out the policies of her superior, I'm ok with it.

There are two strains of thought of late I don't really care for.

1) That any president owes his side loyalty. It just doesn't happen, I'm sorry. Clinton was not very loyal to the Left, and W. Bush has not been very loyal to conservatives (the religious right, yes, but not small government, anti-immigration, pro-privatization conservatives). Presidents do what they do. Believing any of them will magically do your bidding the minute they're in office is a fool's game and just tragic, tragic naivete.

2) The "concern" stuff. It's so bad, I cringe whenever I read the word concern. Look, President Obama will not do everything we might like. But I think we should speak up when we feel he is erring. Whenever I see scores of posts ridiculing "concern" I read "Shut up and go along with Obama and the Party. If you don't, you're a traitor." Sorry, just what I read into it. You know, after eight years of endless criticism of Republicans marching in lockstep, I see no cause to repeat it simply because the White House has changed hands.

I expect a little of this. It's inevitable. Some people treat politics like they're a sports team. When the opponent does something, it's the worse thing ever. When we do it, well, it's not so bad really. Even desirable. It's different when we do it. Just because.

I hate that stuff, but I expect it.

Criticism should be ok. While I agree with some of the critical sentiments currently being expressed, I'm not engaging in them right now because I want to give the President a chance to form his team, get his policies moving, and start interacting with the other two branches of government. Then we'll know where he's succeeding and where he could potentially fail. Until then, it's all guesswork.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 03:54 PM
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51. I volunteered on day one.
Before day one really, before he announced. And no, I'm not a vocal critic. I'm have concerns and I'll be one of the people who encourages him to go left. But, I'm not going to jump to hasty conclusions and start criticizing him even before he takes office. I find that ridiculous and cynical.
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mwei924 Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 03:55 PM
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52. Wanted him to run since 2004. I'm fine with his choices now.
Edited on Mon Nov-24-08 03:55 PM by mwei924
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 04:07 PM
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54. Supported Richardson,
voted for "undeclared" in the Michigan primary and switched to Obama after Richardson dropped out. I have no issues with whom he has chosen, might be picking or what he has done so far.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 04:25 PM
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55. Solid Obama before and now
I didn't vote for him to do everything that I wanted him to do.

I voted for him because he demonstrated time and time again that he did his very best to make the right decisions.

That's all I am prepared to ask of him.

After GW we are all in a state of shock.
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Sunnyshine Donating Member (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 04:28 PM
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56. I'll continue to be a supporter and have been since March '08- even if I don't celebrate every appt.
Will work my a** off for PE Obama the next 4yrs and beyond. I believe he will do the same for us.
We need a successful Democratic tenure and that requires our support every step of the way.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 04:29 PM
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57. I started supporting him in 04 when I heard him speak at the DNC.
I proudly caucused for him in Iowa and I stand with Obama for change with integrity.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 04:29 PM
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58. I started supporting him in 04 when I heard him speak at the DNC.
I proudly caucused for him in Iowa and I stand with Obama for change with integrity.
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chyjo Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 04:35 PM
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60. I started supporting him after he won the Iowa Caucuses
I have no problem with anything that he has done so far really. I watched his press conference today and I liked what I saw.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 04:36 PM
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61. You all are about half and half
As in: half OK with Obama's decisions so far, the other half having shit-fits because they thought everybody associated with the Clinton administration would be sent to GITMO, let alone appointed to anything.

Those fucking wankers richly deserve every moment of their self-inflicted emotional agony. But I have no problem with sane Obama supporters, and it's good to see there are more of you than I thought.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 04:37 PM
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62. I was a very, very early supporter. Summer of 2007 as a matter of fact.
Edited on Mon Nov-24-08 04:38 PM by JenniferZ
I support him now. I find it silly to complain nonstop about a presidency that has yet to begin.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 05:26 PM
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64. Okay! I gave my first donation
to this election cycle at the end of December '07 to Obama and was thrilled he won Iowa. And, he's earned my trust ever since.
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AndrewP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 05:28 PM
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65. I have been a supporter since 2004
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aein Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 08:29 PM
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68. I supported Obama from when he announced, I approve of his job so far
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not_too_L8 Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 08:42 PM
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69. Supported Obama since December '07
I think he is a very smart man and will continue to support him. I hope he will continue to work to complete the true task at hand and not let the right wing distract or derail his mission. I also hope the rest of the Democrats don't bail on him when times get hard, we need to keep the pressure on our reps and not let them leave Obama without the support he needs to get the job done.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 11:00 PM
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70. Who on earth would think THAT? It's the late-coming fanbois/gurlz...
Who only didn't wanna be caught on the wrong side of history that are suspect.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 11:29 PM
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71. I started supporting Obama in April of 2007
and fully support what he's doing. There are going to be times I disagree with him. I'm not wild about the appointment of Hillary Clinton as SoS, but I trust him.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 01:36 AM
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72. I've been a supporter since the early primaries.
I'm not thrilled with the Clinton as SOS selection. But when it comes right down to it, that's inconsequential. I think for the most part he'll make the right decisions and I'm thrilled that the country is in good hands, finally.

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 02:56 AM
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73. You haven't? Need I list usernames?
Do I? Do I risk getting banned to call out these people?

Sure it is by no means a "majority" but the operative word here is "many" anyway.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 08:29 AM
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75. Yes
And that's not what the OP was doing.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 08:36 AM
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78. Nope, I haven't. why don't you pm me those names. I'm not saying
that there may not be a couple. I am saying that the strong majority of early Obama supporters here, are NOT vocal critics.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 08:31 AM
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76. Supported him since '07. Very Satisfied. nt
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Splinter Cell Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 08:34 AM
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77. I have been....
An Obama supporter since before he announced, and I'm thrilled with the great new leader he has been and continues to be.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 09:52 AM
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80. I have been an Obama Supporter since the '04 Senatorial run
(Hey I live in Chicago, so I was in on Obama early.)

And I'm with you. I think Obama's most vocal critics are the folks who hitched their wagons to him after their pick lost the primaries, whoever that may be. These people, IMO, fundamentally misunderstand Obama, what he's promised, and what he does. From what I can tell, these people overlaid their hopes and dreams on to Obama weather he actually said he'd do what they dream of or not. I think they are now waking up from their dream and facing the reality that Obama is an old-fashioned, FDR type, liberal who is left-of-center and like Dr. Dean, a populist, centrist, and coalition builder.

These critics should read his books to get a measure of the man.
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ACK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 09:56 AM
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81. I have barely lurked around here lately but Obama fan since the start
Used to be very active here and then just kind of got tired of much of the in-sniping among the ranks.

So, I was an early active supporter of Obama in the primaries.

I am less a leftist and more of a traditional populist liberal in mode of FDR and Truman and LBJ's domestic agendas.

So, I think the Obama's stimulus package is FDR-redone and its just what the country needs because our infrastructure is crumbling and our funding of alternative energy policy is a disgrace.

I am torn about his chances to make a serious stand on healthcare early on. And that saddens me as a testement of how fucking horrid things are not on him as a candidate or a president.

Sure, I think he needs to come out with the Iraqi President and declare a joint plan for getting troops out. But we will see what happens when he gets in before I get edgy about all that.

What about his appointments so far?

I worry not about Hillary's ability to get the job done as SOS but I do worry that the dumbass press machine will go on a 24/7 Bill watch and Clinton feeding frenzy.

Everyone else? I can live with them all. I am glad Bill Richardson got a place at the table. Holder was a great choice imho.

The reactionary crazy ass market seemed to like his economic team choices.

Shit man I am psyched.

Get the infrastructure right get folks to work and try to right this ship of state?

I am there.

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