Supreme Court To Review Obama’s Citizenship. WTF??

[Fluffdaddy]

OK Someone please talk me down.
Is the Supreme Court trying to take one from us AGAIN?

http://donklephant.com/2008/11/23/supreme-court-to-review-obamas-citizenship-2/

"looks like the Barack Obama citizenship issue will not die until he is inaugurated. It probably will not end even then.

Now the U.S. Supreme Court will discuss the matter in private because one justice decided it was worthy. Before fingering the member of our highest court, I will give a little background information on the case. If you do not think too hard about it, you can probably guess which Supreme Court Justice is responsible."

[Zynx]

1. What's to talk you down about here?

[LostinVA]

2. Do you see the link? Do you actually believe this?

Go look through GDP this past weekend -- a zillion threads on it.

[CreekDog]

60. that's the point. you see it sunk so now it has to be revived

so people keep seeing it.

i guess i just don't trust people anymore. :shrug:

[anonymous171]

3. Biden would simply become president in the worst case scenario.

No problem.

[Fluffdaddy]

5. FUCK THAT!!!!!

[anonymous171]

9. The point is that McCain/Palin would not get the White House

[Cha]

10. We finally agree on something!

:)

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[Cha]

34. I had similiar

thoughts.:)

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[Ozma]

91. What is this "worst case scenario" you refer to? You actually think

Obama was born in Kenya? Obama's father was Kenyan so even if Obama was born in Hawaii, he's not American? How much Koolaid have you drunk today, or this year?

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[roguevalley]

120. how about John McCain being born in Panama? *Crickets*

these people are psychotic.

[wmbrew0206]

155. Uh,, you don know that McCain's parents were stationed there

at the orders of the US government, right?

Any child born to US service men and women overseas is considered a natural born citizen.

[ieoeja]

168. Uh,, you don know that Obama's mother is an American

right?

Any child born to a US citizen overseas is considered a natural born citizen.

[dkf]

185. That is ridiculous...

Only for people in the service? Since when do military people get special status?

[gauguin57]

95. ... unless obama were disqualified (i know, it's ridiculous, but) before Electors vote

... if Obama disqualified as prexy (or if he died) before Electoral College votes, the Electors can, technically, vote for whomever they wanna vote for ... Biden, or someone else the Dems put up.

[Recovered Repug]

104. But is that true?

If a candidate is ineligible to run, wouldn't any votes that candidate receives be invalid and therefore the opponent would win?

[Blarch]

154. Not true.

Real Americans would step up and start killing republicans.

If they kept Obama from office it would trigger a revolt.

[wmbrew0206]

156. Are you kidding?

First, lets be clear, this is a stupid, stupid argument since it is clear that Obama is a natural born citicizen

For the sake of argument, lets say he was born in Kenya and the Supreme Court ruled he was not eligible to be POTUS. Again, this is NOT going to happen, but if it did are you calling for an armed revolt because the constitutional process yielded a decision you don't like?

A lot of Obama supporters would be very upset and demonstrate. The majority of people who voted would shrug their shoulders and continue on with their daily lives. The RW media would blame Obama for running when he knew he was not eligible.

[Blarch]

169. Yes.

If it can be proven he was born in Hawaii, and he was kept from office by the Supreme Court, I would revolt.

How many times does the Supreme Court have to keep a Democrat out of the WH before you revolt ? ..It should be one, But two is a no-brainer.

[jhrobbins]

162. I am disabled with rheumatoid arthritis and this would get me out

with a sign and a loud mouth. It certainly won't come to that - I think this is abominable of those republicans-they will go to any lengths apparently.

[JuniperLea]

4. Maybe they are as tired of being pestered about this BS as we are...

It doesn't matter if the SC comes out and verifies the birth cirtificate... they will then be "in on it"... that would be the next Freeper meme.

[HughMoran]

6. lol - old news - this was discussed a couple days ago

Oh, and they may take it up to settle the issue once and for all.

Obama - definitely qualifies
McCain - qualifies
3rd party candidate in NJ - not so much.

[galaxy21]

26. McCain doesn't qualify though, does he?

Its complicated, but someone had a post where a bunch of legal experts talked about it, and they all came to the conclusion he wasn't.

[NYCGirl]

33. He does qualify, if you believe Obama, Clinton, Leahy, McCaskill and many others.

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2008/04/11/clinton-obama-agree-mccains-a-natural-born-citizen/

Well here’s something that John McCain, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton apparently all agree on. John McCain is, in fact, eligible to serve as president.

On Thursday, Senators Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) and Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) introduced a non-binding resolution expressing that McCain qualifies as a “natural born Citizen,” as specified in the Constitution and is therefore eligible for the highest office in the land. The resolution was co-sponsored by Obama and Clinton. Here’s a report from ABC News’s Political Punch blog.

A February NYT article raised the question as to whether McCain, who was born in 1936 on a U.S. military installation in the Panama Canal Zone, satisfied the constitutional prerequisites to become president. Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution requires a president to be a “natural born Citizen.”

“There are powerful arguments that Senator McCain or anyone else in this position is constitutionally qualified, but there is certainly no precedent,” Sarah H. Duggin, an associate professor of law at Catholic University who has studied the issue extensively, told the NYT. “It is not a slam-dunk situation.”

Maybe not. But it appears lawmakers are doing all they can to try to put the issue to rest. “It is silly for anyone to argue that Senator McCain is not eligible to become president,” said McCaskill in a written statement. “I would hope that this is something we can all agree on, for goodness sakes.”

[political_Dem]

58. Why in the world are these Dems trying help McCain out?

Isn't it ironic that there aren't any Repubicans trying to help Mr. Obama's birth certificate drama go away?

[atimetocome]

139. Congress passed a resolution

a while ago when the issue arose for McCain.

[wmbrew0206]

158. This is a national security issue, not a D vs R issue

If you tell employees of the US government that are serving overseas at the direct of the US government that if they had children while outside the US their children are automatically disqualified from running for POTUS, you have a BIG problem. The government would have a VERY hard time finding anyone married in their 20's, 30's, and even possible 40's that will agree to serve the government outside the US. The FBI, State Dept, CIA, DEA, are a few examples of the government agencies would this would hit hard.

Granted, they probability that anyone of these people's children end up being POTUS is miniscule, but they would still want that option for their kids, especially if they are already in government service.

[yardwork]

111. McCain qualifies, too. His parents were American citizens.

If your parents are American citizens it doesn't matter where you're born, you're an American citizen at birth and you can keep it as an adult if you file paperwork. You're also the natural-born citizen of the country where you were born.

Obama qualifies on all counts - he was born in the United States to a U.S. citizen. There's no question about Obama's citizenship.

[camera obscura]

7. It doesn't matter. The certificate is legit.

[Cha]

8. Fuck them..Obama is a US citizen and

the US President Elect. This will showcase the evil on the US supreme court.

Edit~ I see up thread that it may be to settle it..if that's it then so be it.

[TechBear_Seattle]

11. Until and unless this is reported by an actual news service, it is worthless rumor n/t

[Fluffdaddy]

14. Why wait until then? Can we talk about this now?

Is this legit....or not? And why?

[TechBear_Seattle]

17. It is not legit, as has been discussed for more than a year n/t

[Fluffdaddy]

22. Then why is the Supreme Court fucking with this?

[HughMoran]

24. As was discussed in the previous thread here - to settle the "natural born citizen" thing

...once and for all.

It's possible this will be a good time for the S/C to settle this once and for all.

[TechBear_Seattle]

31. Are they? That is my point.

All we have is some blogger's unsupported assertion that this is going to happen.

[LiberalFighter]

66. Souter turned it down. Then he got idiot Thomas to take it.

I wonder if there is anything happening with Thomas that would suggest he could be removed.

[cali]

52. no it's not legit and actually Donofrio's argument isn't rooted

in the birth certificate thing, it's rooted in the nutty claim that Obama's father's Kenyan citizenship precludes him from natural born citizenship status.

I don't know why Thomas is bringing it to conference but I have no doubt at all that this will not be granted certiorari.

[scheming daemons]

57. Well... let's talk about every unfounded rumor on World Net Daily then....

You were overly concerned throughout the whole election process and you are continuing the pattern now.



Obama was born in Honolulu on August 4, 1961. There is scores of evidence to this fact..... and not one shred of evidence to contradict it.


The fact that some nutjobs want to file suit anyway doesn't give it more credence.



Frankly, I'm tired of talking the likes of you "down". The whole election season you claimed the Bradley Effect was real and that Obama would have to be up by 10% or more in the polls in order to win the election in a squeaker.

You're a professional worrier.

[Hawkeye-X]

90. Plus FluffDaddy's DLC.

And you know how DLC goes....

[lamp_shade]

12. Obama kind of dissed Clarence in one of the debates (or was it Saddleback?).

[jenmito]

16. It was Saddleback. n/t

[atimetocome]

134. I recall Obama saying he would not have nominated Thomas

[FrenchieCat]

13. Yeah...right......

you have no clue about this pure bullshit, hey?

What-E-ver.

It's because Obama is Black and told Thomas he wasn't qualified....which Thomas demonstrates even more today.

This ain't even from a "news-source"....just some blog.

Now stop posting any ol' bullshit here. :eyes:

[jenmito]

15. As I said on at least 2 other threads about this, Clarence Thomas is insulted because Obama

said he doesn't think he's qualified to be on the S.C.

[BrklynLiberal]

56. You are right..

[anonymous171]

18. This is why it is important to stack the court with the most liberal judges we can get.

[onehandle]

19. Oh noes! Obama is DOOOOOMED! nt

[peace frog]

20. Goddamn Scalia and Thomas

I cannot WAIT for Obama's opportunity to select at least one, possibly two SC judges. If he's re-elected, who knows how many more he may have the chance to nominate, if for no other reason than to counter the two worst: Scalia and Thomas.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

21. Why'd you change your avatar?

Hmm.

[leftynyc]

23. Wrong

The SC is meeting in private to decide whether to hear the case (as they do all cases). 4 justices need to decide yes in order for them to review.

[S_E_Fudd]

27. Well not entirely correct...

Not all petitions for cert are accepted for conference. This exact request was already denied by Souter. They resubmitted to Thomas and he is the one calling the conference.

He needs to persuade three other justices to accept the case for review...

[Fluffdaddy]

28. I wonder if they can get four

[camera obscura]

46. Maybe, maybe not

Thomas would sign on of course. Scalia would too. Those two are far right.

But Alito, Roberts, and Kennedy? I'm not so sure about any of them.

[jenmito]

61. Why do you think Scalia would? Does HE have a grudge against Obama, too?

Any THINKING justice wouldn't take this case. Thomas is just doing it out of spite since Obama said, at the Saddleback Summit, that he didn't feel Thomas was qualified to be on the S.C.

[CreekDog]

78. i wouldn't call Scalia or Alito slam dunks

they are big into whether someone has standing to bring a case.

Scalia doesn't automatically vote Republican though he usually does.

Don't forget in 2000, they were at least citing the equal protection clause in the 14th Amendment as basis for their decision. Exactly what clear cut part of the constitution would they be referring to in this case? If you guessed "they don't have one!", you'd be correct.

[JJ]

172. Puh-leeeeze

Scalia wouldn't know integrity if it bit him on the ass.

[CreekDog]

62. are you being thick?

seriously. maybe you have good intentions, but have you applied any critical thought to this case? have you read more than one blog post on the matter? did you look for the DU thread where this was discussed over the weekend to see arguments about it?

you do have some responsibility to filter what you see and not spread stuff that is fear mongering nonsense. if you don't know, you don't simply throw it up against the wall seeing if it's nonsense. worse, you don't ask to debunk it and then argue with those that do just what you've asked them to do.

your argument is essentially that they can get four other votes and then something might happen.

well they could get 4 other votes to say that you are a hippo, but i don't see you worrying about that do i?

[crispini]

164. LOL. A hippo.

[SweetieD]

148. I agree. There is nothing earth shattering about this. It is routine.

[Diamonique]

25. If the SC takes up this case, they won't be deciding whether Obama is eligible for the presidency.

They will be deciding whether or not a lower court was correct in throwing the case out.

They won't be looking into Obama's citizenship.

[galaxy21]

30. I really hope they're just trying to settle the issue once and for all

Come on this has been laughed out of three courts now, and as much as I dislike Clarence Thomas, he's too smart a man to really believe this nonsense. Maybe this is meant to end the issue.

[acmavm]

35. Clarence Thomas is smart? Funny, all I see is a petty bitter little man who

let's his nastiness get in the way of anything approaching intellect. He's an ass who is in way over his head. And he resents that the playing field had to be leveled for him to get where he is today because he would have never made it on his own merits or money.

[galaxy21]

37. Well, he's not DUMB

Look, anyone with a triple digit IQ knows this is BS. I really can't believe he thinks there's something to this.

[BootinUp]

152. you overestimate Thomas's intelligence imho. nt

[S_E_Fudd]

32. They won't take it...

The notion that a person born on U.S. soil is a natural born citizen is well settled legally...

The only gray area are those born to American parents outside the U.S....and even here it is doubtful

They won't take it because under no conceivable scenario could Obama or McCain not be considered natural born citizens

[skeewee08]

38. Just ask yourself

do you honestly think that Obama would be a US Senator if he wasn't a US citizen? Also isn't he married to Michelle Robinson AKA Michelle Obama so that makes him legal he married a US citizen(I am being sarcastic)please stop being paranoid how could he have excess to the POTUS as a US Senator and not be a legal resident? Think about it if anything we should be filing a lawsuit against Bush & Cheney because REAL Americans would not have ran this Country in to the ground like they did!

[S_E_Fudd]

39. Not the standard...

You have to be born a citizen. Jennifer Granholm is not eligible for example because she was not boran an American citizen...

Their convoluted contention is that since Obama's father was not an American citizen when Obama was born, he was therefore a dual citizen and is therefore ineligible...

It's a crock of course, but that is their argument

[galaxy21]

42. That's also why we don't have president terminator...

So, its not a bad law....

[windbreeze]

83. interesting point

I recall that I heard there were those who wanted the terminator to run for president...but the citizenship issue would have had to have been dealt with somehow...via SC or Congress, in order for him to run...so who is it, that's making a big issue out of Obama's status....??? fellow dems or rep's trying to pave the way to make a case for S the next time around? After all, he's not a natural citizen, but I am sure he is naturalized, AND married into one of the biggest Dem families in the country..this is too strange a deal all around, just to be much ado about nothing...someone has an agenda, .......wb

[woolldog]

43. You can be a Senator w/o being a natural born citizen

To be President you must be a natural born citizen.

[Berry Cool]

59. You should be sarcastic,

as being married to a US citizen doesn't automatically make you one.

I know that's not the point, but why spread a misconception any further?

Hell, I hope they DO grant this certiorari, so they can settle the issue once and for all and make the freepers' heads explode because they can no longer keep perfoming this bit of mental masturbation.

[DCBob]

40. Obama has already presented information on his eligibility to run for POTUS to the Democratic party.

The Democratic party accepted that information. End of story.

[workinclasszero]

41. Loons and Nutter Rethuglians Tilting at Windmills

I wouldnt worry about it. Im more worried about the republican destruction of the world economy.

[LynneSin]

44. When it's on the front page of the NYTimes I'd worry

I'm not sure what DONKLEPHANT is all about but personally I'm not clicking on the link

[galaxy21]

48. The whole arguement hinges on some very bizarre behaviour by his mother

Like she'd flown out to Kenya, given birth there, told no-one, and then somehow snuck back on a flight to the state (hiding him so she wouldn't have to report his birth). Oh, and then went to trouble of coming up with an elaborate plot to convince everyone he was born in Hawaii including faking a birth certificate, and an official announcement in the newspaper.

And why? Because she knew he was going to run for president one day? Was she psycic?

[LynneSin]

50. Well if Sarah Palin could do it why couldn't Obama's mama do it too?

:rofl:

[Laurab]

110. You beat me to it.

That was EXACTLY what I was thinking!

:rofl:

[Retrograde]

89. well, that explains

why Madelyn Dunham conveniently died the day before the election - she was going to spill the beans! :sarcasm:

Even if the sane members of the court stop laughing enough to hear this and rule that Obama is a natural-born citizen, there will still be a bunch of loonies who won't be satisfied.

[Doityourself]

115. oy vey n/t

[woolldog]

45. The title of this thread is misleading.

The SC is not going to be reviewing Obama's citizenship. They are going to conference to try to decide whether to grant certiorari on a suit that was dismissed which alleges, inter alia, that Obama is not a "natural born citizen." The vast majority of cases that go to conferences aren't granted cert.

[DCBob]

47. They will not review this case.

No way no how.

[Lex]

49. That article is such *CRAP*

Do you believe that?

I've got a bridge to sell you.

[skeewee08]

51. Ok didn't someone

from the State of Hawaii(Vital & Statistic) hold a Press Conference last month that Obama was born in Hawaii? Don't you have to show your Birth Certificate to get a Driver License. My point is that they are fishing the DNC would not have allowed him to run for POTUS if his paperwork was not in order and Obama being the Lawyer that he is knows what it required.

[HughMoran]

54. It has nothing to do with where he was born

In fact, this is not about Obama alone - it's about all 3 candidates who were on the ballot in NJ.

The possible issue with Obama is that his father was a dual citizen (Kenya), but most people think this is not a disqualifying issue. McCain was born on a Naval base and the 3rd party candidate is likely not eligible to run for President.

This is not as simple as people think it is on first blush.

[jberryhill]

113. McCain was NOT born on a naval base

The hospital at Coco Solo was not built until 1941. He was born in a civilian hospital in Colon, Panama - which itself was not in the canal zone.

[LynnTheDem]

55. Yes, the republican-appointed State official

http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html?rss=hon&psp=news

[LynnTheDem]

53. As the Hawaii govt has already declared his BC legit, let the SC look at whatever

they want.

It'd be nice to once & for all have this bullshit over & done with.

[Swamp Rat]

63. Do you work for the DLC? n/t

[Fluffdaddy]

67. No.

[CreekDog]

64. WHY ARE PEOPLE RECOMMENDING THIS THREAD??????????

HELLO???

[Fluffdaddy]

70. Because this is something that needs to be addressed.

We don't need something like this to pop up in the eleventh hour an bite us in thy ass.

People need to stop saying there is nothing to this if the Supreme Court is looking at it and trying to steal another one from us.

[CreekDog]

71. you aren't listening to any "addressing" of the issue

you are just ignoring it and continuing to post, in the face of evidence that this does not pose any serious risk.

show me one post in this thread where you've been offered an argument in response to your request to "talk me down" where you have responded that it's good information and is actually talking you down.

show me once where you've done that so far.

when you don't do that, i don't believe your intentions are as you've stated.

[CreekDog]

73. then why are 3 people recommending this?

i mean come on.

3!

a good thread with this much traffic gets at least 20 recommends.

a boring thread gets zero.

a harmful thread gets a few recommends.

again, i'm comparing those threads with lots of traffic but few recommends.

[Fluffdaddy]

79. Because people recommend threads they like.......Good News

[okieinpain]

108. I agree, I wouldn't put anything pass the nutts that are on the right

to me the article looks legit, and should be discussed.

[Fluffdaddy]

112. Thank you

[Grateful for Hope]

65. There is nothing here

period.

I was speaking with my died-in-the-wool republican son-in-law on Saturday, and, even he said that he first heard this about six months ago, and decided at the time, that there was nothing to it.

This was posted over the weekend. You might want to search for the several threads that addressed this issue. The overall consensus is that this is nonsense, and, nothing will come of it.

[Fluffdaddy]

68. Then why is the Supreme Court reviewing this?

[CreekDog]

69. again, why do you keep arguing against people who are trying to talk you down?

what's the matter with you?

people are making one sound argument after another --you aren't responding to those. you are only jumping in to periodically keep the issue as worrisome as possible.

[Fluffdaddy]

72. Because I don't have the personality type to stick my head in the sand.

I am a worrier by nature.
Why is the Supreme Court reviewing this if there's nothing to it?

[CreekDog]

74. why don't you go find out?

you certainly aren't listening to anyone here.

and you are sticking your head in the sand for all the listening you are actually doing.

[Swamp Rat]

77. So stop reading right wing propaganda web sites who are disseminating this nonsense.

I checked the news wires. Nothing there.

This is only appearing on right wing propaganda web sites.

[woolldog]

88. They're not reviewing it!

They added the case to the conference list to discuss whether or not to agree to review it. That's all that's happened.

[Grateful for Hope]

81. They are not "reviewing" this

It went to Clarence Thomas after Souter declined to consider it.

If you read the threads I mentioned in my prior post, Clarence Thomas has reason to be antagonistic toward Obama. Obama would never have chosen him, and he said so.

There is much more...please read the threads.

[S_E_Fudd]

96. They aren't...

Thomas is merely calling a conference to decide if they should review it. He has to persuade 3 other justices that this is worthy of review...

It's Clarence Thomas...they won't review it

[Fluffdaddy]

75. OK OK, I'll let it drop. But I'm not convinced there's nothing to worry about

[scheming daemons]

97. You were constantly worrying during the election that there was a massive "Bradley Effect" too...

[Hekate]

76. Yawn. If The Supremes take a look at it, they will certify what we already know. Then the loonies

... will have to find a different way to obsess over President Obama's race, color, creed, and national origin. True nutballs will never be satisfied, but the Supremes will have spoken.

Hekate

[JuniperLea]

86. If the Supremes take a look at it... they will say...

STOP! In the name of love!

[opihimoimoi]

80. Hawaii is NOT A STATE....She is a KINGDOM.....Obama is a citizen of a KINGDOM

Get over it....

He has Mana...powers that make him special....

Obama has "Presence"...something Bush only wishes he has....

[Hekate]

94. Ooooo. I hadn't thought about the Mana. Something to consider. nt

[nuncvendetta]

82. There's nothing to worry about here

As a student of constitutional law (and Obama could tell you the same thing himself), the Supreme Court must be mindful of not doing something so completely beyond the pale that they lose legitimacy in front of the eyes of the public. Ever since the days of Marbury v. Madison, they've been deliberately careful not to go too far with something that a majority of the people dislike to the extent that no one listens to them anymore. After all, they as a branch of government do not control the power of the sword or the purse string. They have no means of enforcing themselves if enough people choose to ignore them. Thus, they will NOT do something as bold as to remove a guy from power who has already been accepted in the national psyche as having won the presidency, and having won convincingly enough that there is no question who won (unlike Bush v. Gore, even though it's clear to me who won, the count was so close that it was fathomable that things went the other way). This is DESPITE whatever laws on the books may be. so yeah, the S. Ct. tries to uphold the law to a certain extent, but it also looks out for its own tail so that it can continue upholding the law in the future.

[wmbrew0206]

161. The SC will rule on the matter in regards to the law not with an eye to the publics reaction to it.

For the sake of argument, lets say somehow Obama is found to not be a "natural born" citizen by overwhelming evidence. In reality it won't happen, but lets enter a fantasy land and say it does happen.

The SC will not care what the publics reaction is to their ruling. The legislative and executive branches of the government will be duty bound to carry out their decision. The SC will say that it is the fault of the candidate and the political party for running and being allowed to run when he was in fact not eligible.

[Occam Bandage]

184. No, they will not. They will not rule anything. They will not even grant cert. nt

[and-justice-for-all]

84. There is no discussion here...

this was dead right out of the gate.

He could not have held any public office without being a citizen, DUH! So the SCOTUS is just wasting time.

Obviously Obama is not concerned about it or he would have brought it up.

[NutmegYankee]

85. Your signature picture - Ironic.

Republican marriage is actually a type of execution.

Republican marriage (French: mariage républicain) was a form of execution practiced in the city of Nantes in Revolutionary France, "which involved tying a naked man and woman together and drowning them".<1> Most accounts indicate that the victims were drowned in the Loire River, although a few sources describe an alternative means of execution in which the bound couple is run through with a sword, either before,<2> or instead of drowning.<3>



I understand the point of the pic, but perhaps another term is better.

[and-justice-for-all]

197. Tell it to Evolvefish.come...

thanks for your concern..

Oh, and I like the point of the pick. You know that it was not meant the way you have described, stop trying to make into something it isn't.

[FloridaGrl]

87. Why are you guys getting worked up over nonsense?

Obama is a US citizen. He was born in Hawaii and even though is Dad was from Kenya that does not change the fact that he was born on US soil.

[democracy1st]

92. Quit posting this BS man !!

:wtf:

[trayfoot]

93. Screw the Freepers - Obama IS a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!

[democracy1st]

98. you should be ashamed for posting this sh.. here

[insanity]

99. fun with law

[Bucky]

100. The SCOTUS has become yet another nutty rightwing organization

a little more sober than Free Republic, a little less sober than the National Review.

[Kitty Herder]

101. Thomas? I was thinking Scalia...

But Thomas doesn't surprise me, either. Or should that be "Uncle Thomas"?

[951-Riverside]

102. Worst case scenario: Its true. People Revolt. Laws are changed. Schwarzenegger runs. n/t

[cali]

106. for pity's sake. it. is. not. true.

please stop with the bullshit. pathetic to see DUers buying into this crap when even Hannity and Rush won't touch it because they know Obama's already proven he's a natural born citizen.

[onenote]

105. OP gets it wrong - WTF?

The SCOTUS has not said it will review Obama's citizenship. It has placed on its calendar for consideration a petition filed by a nutjob who sought to enjoin the 2008 elections based on his claim that Obama (and McCain) were not eligible "natural born citizens." Its not clear whether the court is merely going to consider the petitioners request for a stay pending his filing of a petition for certiorari or whether they will treat the stay petition as the cert petition. Around 25 percent of cert petitions filed get calednared for consideration and then the majority of those are rejected by the court (ie. fail to get the support of 4 justices). Even if the court agreed to hear the case, they wouldn't be hearing a challenge to the underlying claim, but rather to the NJ Supreme Court's rejection of that claim, which was jurisdictional, not based on the merits.

[H2O Man]

107. comic genius .....

well, at least comic

[Doctor_J]

109. We need a special "I believe every e-mail I get from right-wing loonies" forum

It would be really busy, but I could hide the entire thing so this kind of crap wouldn't push real news down the page

[Doityourself]

114. Heavens! This such bullshit! Obama's mother is American. End of fucking story!!! n/t

[Doityourself]

116. Even if Satan was his father..his mother is still a US citizen, thus goes Obama!! n/t

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[Doityourself]

118. Oh please..go away with your two posts and bucket of BS. Obama is the prez..eat it and beat it...

all of you fuckin' trolls make me sick!

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[Doityourself]

121. Going to a go-go!!! n/t

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[Doityourself]

123. Beauty is only skin deep..yeah yeah yeah! n/t

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[Doityourself]

125. Duh! It's a non-issue...and only getting fanned by the desperate and angry right.

Did you ask George Bush to verify his birth certificate, how about Reagan, Clinton or Carter, JFK, Johnson, Nixon...?

Of course not.

So why Obama?

Listen to some PE, "Don't believe the hype!"

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[Doityourself]

129. They aren't going to keep him out of the office..period.

No one said a word about John McCain, who wasn't even born on American soil...or any other person running for president..and you can bet in this nation's history of presidents someone's father was born on foreign soil.

The people elected him, he's the president, anything else is desperation on the freeptards part.

Do you honestly think, if he wasn't a citizen, or there were serious questions folks at Faux Snooze and other right wing places wouldn't have exposed it by now.

Again, why ask him, what others have not been asked.

I won't even go into the racial aspect of it.

His mother was AMERICAN..end of story and he was born in Hawaii, even if he was born in Africa or on the moon, he's still American.

End of story. Why feed into the bullshit.

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[Doityourself]

136. Anybody can file a lawsuit...it's the American way just ask any lawyer...

Again, it's bullshit. Why should he feed into it..let them gnaw their feet off and claw their eyeballs out.

Litigation? LOL...please...the man is a citizen..his mother is a US citizen, or did you miss that part???

John McCain parent's were citizens, really, did we ever see their birth certificates?

Let me ask this:

Are we questioning Obama's mother's citizenship? Because if you're not, end of story.

[No Passaran]

144. fuck off freeper

[Doityourself]

163. Bingo n/t

[jberryhill]

189. Yeah, sure...

...and then dance to any tune called in any stupid action filed by the next crazy person too, after conceding standing and jurisdiction.

Yeah, that's really good legal advice there, pal.

[ValhallaChaser]

147. It'd be nice

if he would just make the whiners just STFU.....

[Doityourself]

165. Fuck the whiners....let them eat manure and die slow deaths...

he doesn't have to do shit...

Too bad. So sad.

Obama is the president...of all US citizens, like it or not. Them are the facts.

It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood.

Liberal Supreme Court
Liberal Federal Judges.

Ain't life grand.

[jberryhill]

192. All of their suits have been dismissed

You know of some more effective way to get them to STFU?

Because appearing in court and answering the substantive allegations of umpteen frivolous lawsuits isn't going to get ANYONE to shut up.

[jberryhill]

188. Showing it to whom?

This is the goofy thing about the Freeps cry of "Why won't he produce it?"

It begs the question of "disclose it to whom?"

To you, personally, or what?

Here 'tis:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html



Now, if your question is "Why doesn't he answer every suit and produce a copy in court?" then the answer is exceedingly simple. These idiots don't quit. What's the next suit going to be about after these eight, or whatever, once the issue of standing and jurisdiction have been conceded?

The "Why doesn't he produce it?" question simply translates into "Why doesn't Barack Obama spend the rest of his life showing up to substantively contest every stupid lawsuit that some idiot and $350 can get into federal court?"

It is a stooooooooopid question. No, you do not concede standing and jurisdiction to every pinhead that wants to file a suit.

As an attorney, I can tell you straight off that what you think about when faced with a piece of idiotic frivolous litigation is not this suit, but the next one, and the one after that, and the one after that... Suing the president is a national past time. Every president has been sued numerous times by numerous batshit insane people. No, as the president, you don't wander into court every time some moron signs a complaint and files it with the clerk, nor do you mail a personal copy of a document that can be used to get fake ID among other things to every American citizen.

It is a stupid, stupid, stupid question.

[jberryhill]

191. Wrong

The bullshit never ends.

If you are the president, and you want to "end the bullshit", then you do not spend the rest of your life jumping to the tune of every frivolous piece of litigation that comes down the pike.

If you think the "bullshit ends" with this birth certificate nonsense, then you do not understand the volume of frivolous litigation which is directed at ANY president.

You don't set a pattern of conceding standing and jurisdiction in ANY frivolous lawsuit - no matter what it is.

As soon as you do, the floodgates open, and that's all you'll be doing as a career.

[achtung_circus]

150. I read

that space aliens are abducting cattle and are performing experiments on them.

I, at least, provide a link: http://www.aliendave.com/UUFOH_CattleMutilations.html

[jberryhill]

190. The simple answer is that he didn't "let it go all the way to the Supreme Court"

Every suit has been dismissed by every court. The idiots are appealing the dismissals. The only thing the Supreme Court can do - in the wildest stretch of imagination - is to consider whether the dismissal was proper. The Supreme Court is not going to require the production of evidence of any kind. The Supreme Court is not a trial court, but you and your friends are too thick to understand that.

No, one does not dignify a substantively frivolous lawsuit with a non-procedural response. Again, you and your friends are too thick to understand why, either.

[southernyankeebelle]

127. What sore losers the republicans are

The republican party continues this charade they will continue to be a party outside of the mainstream. Shame on them. Obama won fair and square.

[AtomicKitten]

128. The Supremes weighing in on another presidential election is surreal.

[Doityourself]

130. I hope Obama stack the SC..with liberals..man that will be a good day! n/t

[AtomicKitten]

137. young, healthy liberals that will live a looooooooong time

[Doityourself]

140. YES!!!!! Man, it will be like celebrating his election all over again! Enough of these right wing

hacks and constrictionists!

Long live a LIBERAL COUT!!

[Fluffdaddy]

131. My fear is the rightwing court will use this citizenship crap to steal another one

This is what the GOP is hoping for

[Doityourself]

132. There will be rioting in the streets! Again, his mother was a citizen. that's that...n/t

[Fluffdaddy]

135. I don't think you understand how the wingnuts are playing this.

They are saying she was under 18 when she give birth so that makes Obama ineligible to hold that office

[Doityourself]

138. lol..since when did one's age matter when giving birth on US soil...or not

my grandmother was married at 16 and had two children by the age of 19, one in Jamaica, does that mean my aunt(the oldest child) is illegal?

My dad was born to a 15 yr old mother, was he not American? Somebody better tell the US military because he served and received *gasp* benefits!!

[CreekDog]

174. she was 18 not under, she was on US soil so that point doesn't matter either

why do you even discuss this here when you can't even keep straight the basics you are told time and time again?

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[Fluffdaddy]

143. Thank you JC. You seem to know how the wingnuts are trying to play this

All they are hoping for is for the Right leaning Supreme Court to take the hook an run with it

[Fluffdaddy]

145. Plus it will not end there. Once O shows his BC. The wingnuts will then try an play his mom's age

This is a Plan A then fall back on Plan B, the wingnuts got going on here. But you already know that......don't you?

[Doityourself]

160. Oh, James..knows all about it..ha ha..got the documents ready real quick to question

Obama's presidency...

He knows all about it...amazing.

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[ValhallaChaser]

181. Go away

Freeper......

[Doityourself]

159. Lmao..don't argue so hard against YOUR president...n/t

[crispini]

166. Obama was born in Hawaii.

Born on American soil = citizen.

And he's already shown his birth certificate. :eyes:

[CreekDog]

173. He was born in the US not born abroad

:banghead:

but you already know that which makes the post that much more inexcusable.

[CreekDog]

175. please explain how that could happen when he was born in the US

explain.

you keep dodging and then throwing out some random point that doesn't even apply to him or his mother to make everyone concerned.

are you for real? are you really this dense or are you really smart and trying to confuse people who are perhaps more easily confused?

what is your deal?

[Catherine Vincent]

142. Do you guys smell that?

It sure does stink!

[Liberal Elitist]

146. Repeat after me "Born in the USA"

There's an excellent article on factcheck about this rubbish:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Leave it to those idiots in the GOP who believe this nonsense to waste their time on it. This should at least divert their energies from obstructing the Obama administration in it's huge task of stopping the recession turning to depression, taking a lead on climate change, restoring America's reputation after 8 years of Bush, etc etc.

[walldude]

149. Let em' come.

You know all those riots the Freepers were expecting? Let the Supreme Court over turn the election and see what happens. It will be the 2nd American Revolution. And there won't be enough guns in all of freeperville to stop it. I fucking dare them to overturn this. DOUBLE DOG DARE!

Actually it would be pretty cool to see every single DU'er agree on something for a change.

[Whisp]

151. this can't be real until Wolf Blitzer spits it out of his gouge in his head.

and I bet he'll bring it up. ;)
they love shit like this

[Undercurrent]

153. From an unlikely source : (Nutjob) Berg v. Obama v. Reality

Note: I wouldn't post something from the JBS except for the fact that even this right-wing nutjob organization thinks Berg is an even bigger nutjob.


http://www.jbs.org/index.php/us-constitution-blog/4196

[crispini]

167. Ahahahaha.

Great article.

From the link:

"So, if you care about this issue, don't waste your time on a sore loser whose major motivation is that Hillary Clinton should be president. Electors of the Electoral College meet in the 50 states and the District of Columbia on December 15th. These are the people you should be trying to influence."

Like influencing the electors would do any good. They are die-hard political partisans and confirmed Obama fans. The "faithless elector" scenario has about as much possibility as pigs flying.

[Undercurrent]

170. Exactly!

The whole thing is without substance. Nothing but fluff and treacle conjured up by the desperate minds of Republican losers.

Obviously, this nut was never a Hillary supporter, and the so called PUMA "movement" was a charade from the jump. A Repug psy op. A dirty trick. A hoax.

[gal]

157. So what if they do look at it!

It will be one more court saying he is qualified.

[auntsue]

171. Theconstitition says

The constitution says:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Now check out the part about "at the ime of the adoption of this Constitution" Does that mean only people alive then ?
What about "and been fourteen years resident" ?
sounds like a loop hole to me
Either way Obama is qualified - eligible and elected so there!!

[Undercurrent]

176. Because

all the people living in the English colony that would become the United States of America were English citizens until after the Revolution.

[cooolandrew]

177. At least this give Barack incentive to sort that place out. With some progressive power.>

They won't vote Obama down many people lost money in the meltdown most likely justices too. They wouldn't vote themselves into stupidity this time.

[kwenu]

178. PREDICTION!!!: Unanimous vote for Obama!

You heard it here first.

[Occam Bandage]

183. Better prediction:

They do not grant cert.

[kwenu]

195. Clarification: They UNANIMOUSLY refuse to grant certiorari.

[judasdisney]

179. PLEASE let them strike down Obama's election. Do you realize what would happen?

20 million people would pour into the streets. The Neocons on the Supreme Court would be self-discredited and weakened. America would get a civics lesson thanks to Stanley Ann Dunham, who was a U.S. citizen, and therefore also is her son.

[Occam Bandage]

182. Fluffdaddy, you are stupid. nt

[Fluffdaddy]

194. I will file your opinion of me in the appropriate place.

:hurts:

[Occam Bandage]

196. Right next to the Bradley Effect.

[LynnTheDem]

186. Sure wish people would stop a fuckin' moment to wonder why the MSM

isn't touching this; why George W. Bush, Karl Rove, Cheney the Dick, Sarah Palin' and John McCain aren't and never have touched this.

Maybe coz the REPUBLICAN state health director of Hawaii has already confirmed the fact that Barack Obama is an AMERICAN CITIZEN BORN IN HAWAII.

Maybe it's only the extremely duuuuhhhhmb desperate and completely silly morans blathering on about this bullshit.

IGNORE THEM al-fucking-ready!

[GetTheRightVote]

187. I wonder about this topic some time again, hmmm

It is interesting to think about, should someone whose has a parent not a citizen be able to run for our highest office ? I believe that loyalities are split in this type of situation like this since a kid always loves both parents it is only normal for them fell connected to both back grounds. I lean towards the need of both parents being American citizens as well so the child has a real loyalty to this country. Even Obama went to Kenyan because he felt a connection to that country and his close relatives there...they even showed that nation during the elections on the news. I have to say I am more then a little concerned on this issue.

:kick:

[BlooInBloo]

193. Jump. Please jump. Jump hard, jump strong.