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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 05:44 PM
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All This You Can Leave Behind
I've decided now is a good time to transition back out of GD : Presidential and into General Discussion. Here's my last GD : P post for the 2008 election cycle.

Shortly after the election, I talked to my mother. I mentioned that it was weird to finally be on the winning side of something. She said, "I know! You won't be able to complain any more!" I said, "Oh, sure I'll be able to complain!"

She was surprised. "What could you have to complain about?"

I said, "Well, my guess is that Obama will disappoint me by not being progressive enough. Also I don't think he's going to be that good on GBLT rights. So that's probably what I'll complain about, mainly."

I still expect to be disappointed on both counts. But I have discovered that actually, I don't spend a lot of time complaining about the Clinton retreads, the Hillary for SoS pick, and all that whatnot. I've been thinking about why that is, and it comes down to a few things:

1) I have accepted the fact that persons whose politics match up with mine cannot be elected to the presidency of the United States.

2) Having noted that Obama was far more successful following his own strategies in the general election than he would have been if he had executed any of my brilliant ideas for how to win, I have come to the conclusion that when it comes to how politics works, he knows a shitload more about it than I do.

3) My free time is less plentiful than it used to be, and some things are not worth the investment any more. Second-guessing cabinet picks falls into that category. I'm not yet detached enough from reality to believe that anyone in Obama's administration is going to recommend against choosing someone based on what they read in my piss-ant DU journal.

4) I believe that Obama has earned the benefit of the doubt.

I want to talk about #4 because it connects to something I have been thinking about on and off lately. We are coming out of an 8 year period of stunningly bad government. I mean bad in every way--corrupt, malicious, incompetent, dishonest, and deeply, deeply stupid. I know that living through the past 8 years has made me disgusted, cynical, and intensely suspicious of everything the government does. Indeed, I now berate myself for having been stupid enough not to realize that Bush's bailout plan could not possibly have had any chance of success. After all, after 8 years of failure, why should I have believed for a moment that someone in that administration might have come up with a good idea?

But change is not something that a politician brings *to* you. You have to make it happen; and one of the things that has to change, if things are going to get better--is our own attitude toward our own government. I'm not suggesting that we all start working on hymns of praise to be sung in mass chorus at the inaugural parade. But I do think that we are going to become part of the problem, rather than part of the solution, if we don't all work on getting ourselves *out* of the dark, bitter, paranoid place that the Bush administration put us into.

With that in mind, it might be worth thinking about what will be exiting the White House on January 20th, and what we will be able to let go once that happens.

Now buried beneath the critiques du jour are the stories that were floating a couple weeks ago about what Obama is planning to do about Guantanamo. At least in the stuff I read, everyone took it as read that Guantanamo will be closed. The question still to be worked out is what to do with the inmates. Many of them will be released; many of them will be tried; but some of the guys on Obama's legal team are apparently working on developing some kind of "special" judicial process for inmates who "can't" be tried in public because it would create "national security issues." The object, apparently, is to create something which is more like a jury trial than Bush's bullshit "military tribunals," but which would not require the public exposure of CIA operatives, informants, double agents, etc. etc. etc.

So, I read this stuff. My eye is inevitably drawn to the "special" judicial process. I think, great. More denial of civil/legal/human rights, more attempts to circumvent due process in the name of national security. Of course I want everyone to have a fair trial in public and for all the shit that has happened inside that horrible place to be brought to light. Of course this is not a perfect solution.

But my eye should perhaps also linger on something else: the question of this second-tier judicial process arises because Obama is going to close down Guantanamo.

And perhaps it will not do me or the nation any harm if I take a moment to say: Obama is going to close down Guantanamo. That is fucking AWESOME.

Christ almighty, how long have I been hating that place? For how many years and in how many ways has the knowledge of what is being done to people in my name in that place been haunting my conscience and infecting my imagination? The day I finally know that it actually has been shut the fuck down, that nobody is being held there any more, what buried anger, shame, grief and guilt is going to finally break through the layers of concrete that I've had to lay down over my raw emotions during the past 8 years just to keep myself functional?

This is just one example. It happens to be an example I care about, but anyway, I think it's going to be a pattern repeated for a lot of us: a good thing will happen, and there will be something bad embedded in it. It is of course our duty as citizens to recognize the bad and to continue fighting it. But it is also our responsibility to recognize positive change when it happens, and not to reject and dismiss it because it doesn't conform to our ideals or because we have just forgotten that government can do something other than damage.

I really don't think I have even begun to assess how much damage living in Bush's world has done to me as a person. I think figuring out the right way to adjust myself to Obama's world is going to be an interesting process. And I also think that what people here (including on occasion myself) have attacked as negativity, pointless bitching, etc., is also the evidence of how difficult that adjustment will be for many of us to make. Blind trust is not healthy, nor is it something most of us are temperamentally capable of offering anyway. But I do think that Obama has earned and indeed needs from us some measure of trust--that though he may not always share our ideologies, he at least has decent intentions, a lot of intelligence, and a much better understanding of how politics works than, for instance, I do.

After January 20, 2009, George W. Bush will be gone. Someone else will be president--someone who, no matter what you may believe, is much more fit for the job and much more likely to do some good with it than W. ever was. If, after that transition takes place, we persist in acting and feeling as if nothing has changed, we are only hurting ourselves.

During these past eight years it felt, to me anyway, as if I had crossed through the looking glass into a new and horrifying world from which there would never be an escape. But in fact, the Bush years are not going to last forever--unless we refuse to leave him behind.

To prepare myself for this day, I sometimes practice saying goodbye to him. I imagine him skulking out of the White House with his bag of golf clubs and loading them into the back of his non-union moving van and driving away in silence while Obama's inaugural parade marches joyfully and boisterously down the street. History has left you behind, George. We are all stuck grappling with your dark, vile, catastrophic legacy. But don't you stick around; you'll be no help at all. We're all headed out to do what has to be done to clean up your mess, and hopefully to build something new, something that can measure up to the joy and hope everyone felt that night they discovered that another world was possible. Go on back to your darkness, you little, little man, and leave the world to those of us who know how to love it.

I'll see y'all over in General Discussion,

The Plaid Adder
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 05:57 PM
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1. Nominated.
(Just so long as you read GD:P from time to time.)
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 06:05 PM
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2. Very well said...
Recommended!
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 06:14 PM
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3. K&R for a very good read.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 06:43 PM
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4. I call it perspective.
Edited on Tue Nov-25-08 06:44 PM by Gregorian
You've brought up something that I've been watching. This ratcheting down. OK, Obama won, and now we can find a new outrage.

I wish my rage had started in 2000. In a way I was relieved to find that many in this country were finally going to catch up with me. But that's another subject.

I think we've spent so much time keenly focused on a disaster that everything we see now is disaster.

It's important to step back. And look. Just see. And what we see now is something on the other end of the spectrum.

I have always said that there is a level above which satisfaction occurs. Maybe it's Pavlovian, but sometimes even when we're above that supposed level, we're unhappy. I'd love to tell my story. It's very much like DU lately. I've almost got the whole world in my hands. But each step of the way I've encountered something that appears to be below that level in which I find satisfaction. And so here I am, angry, with the whole world in my hands.

Our direction is going to change. And that's a big deal. But I'm not upset about his appointments. I'm very disturbed that the sitting president has destroyed everything around him, leaving perhaps nothing that Obama can do.

I'm sorry about the long post under your thoughtful piece. I just think it's a very simple subject that is very important. Let's celebrate the moment, before we actually do have any good reasons to be disappointed.

Right on. We won.
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prostock69 Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 03:13 PM
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41. I agree.
Edited on Wed Nov-26-08 03:13 PM by prostock69
"I'm very disturbed that the sitting president has destroyed everything around him, leaving perhaps nothing that Obama can do."

This is my biggest fear. And my second biggest fear is Obama will get blamed for failing, for not fault of his own, and then the Republican Christian Right will be back with a vengenace. You can then pretty much call our country dead.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 06:52 PM
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5. K&R. I concur.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 07:07 PM
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6. Ya gotta love this part
no one ...." in Obama's administration is going to recommend against choosing someone based on what they read in my piss-ant DU journal."

Wake up people!
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 07:11 PM
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7. I would really really like to agree with everything you say
Edited on Tue Nov-25-08 07:11 PM by truedelphi
But now that the entire economy has been given away, I find it hard to not vent.

Obama is in power now, and surely I would be even more depressed and unhappy and yes enraged if McCain had won.

But when I think about who these people are: Rubin, Geithner and Larry Summers, and how the games they played are at the heart of what happened to the entire Global economy, well I cannot applaud anyone who makes thesse appointments. The derivative markets are central to the fact that this economy of ours i dead now, and may not revive for two to three yers, and in that time, jobs will be scarce, money, food and all necessities scarce.

It's as though the Bad Daddy was gambling all the money away, and finally the older kid returns from college, and succeeds in throwing Bad Daddy out the door, only he puts the two or three kids that most supported Bad Daddy in charge of all the other family members.

You do find yourself wondering, WHY?
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 01:03 AM
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18. I wonder too. I have a couple ideas.
I have no idea how valid they are.

There is a limited number of people in the country, apparently, who actually understand all the ins and outs of the derivatives market. Since that was what crashed the world economy, you want to make sure that whoever you put in charge of fixing the problem actually does understand how the problem was originally created. I would imagine that a lot of the people who understand that problem came to that understanding through being involved in the derivatives market.

In other words, I think it would be hard to find someone who has enough intimate knowledge of the system to undo the damage but has not actually had a hand in creating it (and thus helping cause the crash). What would be important would be to find someone who learned from the crash and has as a result changed his thinking about how the economy actually works. Is Geithner such a person? I really have no @#$! idea. I sure hope so.


Ah well,

The Plaid Adder
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 03:56 AM
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19. The fact is that those limited numbers of people
Are terrified of a real economy because a real economy would force them to go out and get their hands dirty.

And they are not so smart that what they created could not be understood by someone else. Tens of thousands of people handled and sold these financial instruments and many many of them can explain them to Obama and the rest of us.

I think rewarding the financial insiders who did this to our nation with jobs inside Obama's administration its terrible because

number one: it violates a core philosophical rule that the criminally minded ass wipes that have stolen our economy out from under us should be punished not rewarded.
and number two: the only model of an economy that exists for them is that of the paper pushing "financial instrument" game players have is that of another paper pushing "financial instrument" game that will not help any of the working or middle class.

We need to restore certain basic principles to this country - one is that of creating local jobs.
Two is that of tariffs - let's quit importing this cheap CHinesse crap that is poisoning our food tables and our pet food bowls and now medications. Start to rebuild our own industries and manufacture things here. get rid of "Supply Side" which did zero for a job base here, and start back with a normal job-based economy.

TygerBright had something excellent to say about this too: http://tinyurl.com/6efxuq
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prostock69 Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 03:16 PM
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43. I agree with your logic as well.
It applies with keeping the current Secretary of Defense, as well.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 12:01 AM
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50. Like FDR putting Joe Kennedy in charge of regulation as head of the SEC.
Edited on Thu Nov-27-08 12:03 AM by SharonAnn
He knew that Joe knew how the game was played and where the bodies were buried.

I think this might be the same principle.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 07:15 PM
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8. You make a thoughtful point that I wish everyone here would take to heart...
... And you express it so well.

I myself have been practicing that joyfulness, that hope. Barack Obama is brilliant, and has more political acumen in his little finger than I have in my whole body. He's human, there will be disappointments along the way. But I trust him; I trust his character and his judgment.

Hekate


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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 03:14 PM
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42. Agreed.
Yes there have been some picks I am not excited about. But I will reserve judgment, not that it really matters like the OP said, until PE Obama becomes President Obama. That is when the rubber meets the road for me. Not that I want to call anyone out that feels different.

Of course I have never voted for a politician who completely agrees with me on every issue. There are a couple that are close, but that's about it. There will be disappointments.

But I believe that overall things will change for the better, and after the last eight years that is good enough for me. The operative phrase being 'right now.' heh
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 07:22 PM
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9. Rec'd. Don't go too far, Plaid Adder. We need your voice of reason. nt
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 07:28 PM
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10. Nice one!
I concur.....Bush awed and shocked us.
It will take time, as many of us have PBDS (Post Bush Depression syndrome)
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 07:32 PM
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11. I always look forward to reading your posts
Thanks so much for taking the time :)
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 07:58 PM
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12. K&R.
We need to be careful not to fall victim to battered-spouse syndrome, in which we expect evil and treachery from others as a matter of course and just become numb and want it to go away. We have to believe again that goodness and decency is possible, instead of suspecting everyone, like a beaten dog that runs away from even a kind human hand.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 08:27 PM
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13. Emerging from the darkness ...
... it takes awhile for the eyes to adjust.


You are a beacon of reason. I loved your essay.:loveya:
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 10:12 AM
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26. Very nice response...poetic. n/t
peace~
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prostock69 Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 03:18 PM
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44. OMG! I love you kitty pic. I had to save it!
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 08:19 PM
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48. Thanks!
:hi:
Happy that you love her too!
Enjoy:D
So much like real life...a feline counterpart;)

peace~
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 09:38 PM
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14. It's happening...n/t
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Miss_Underestimated Donating Member (239 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 10:48 PM
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15.  Thomas Jefferson's wisdom: The price of freedom is eternal vigilance
vs. giving Obama the benefit of the doubt - where do you draw the line?

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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 05:55 AM
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21. There are endless possible stances in between
Edited on Wed Nov-26-08 05:55 AM by oktoberain
paranoia and sheep-like apathy. It is not a choice between one extreme or the other.

I think PA is merely suggesting that, while we should never give ANY politician absolute free rein to do as he or she wishes, we will also never make progress if we are not willing to at least operate under the general assumption that his intentions are good, and that he has the nation's best interests at heart--even when we disagree with specific actions that he takes.

"Eternal vigilance" implies wariness. Being wary simply means that we pay close attention. It doesn't mean that we must bash every decision that he makes before we even know whether or not his decision was a successful one. There is a middle ground, and thanks to Republican polarizing politics, we seem to have forgotten that it exists.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 10:50 PM
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16. K&R
:bounce:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 11:42 PM
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17. K&R for later perusal.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 04:41 AM
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20. 2) and 4) are where it's at. Rock on...
Edited on Wed Nov-26-08 04:41 AM by BlooInBloo
EDIT: And we'll see you tomorrow. :P
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 06:53 AM
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22. For the first time in my life I feel a small sense of ownership in an administration.
I've never supported a winner before.

Alright, I did vote for Clinton but that was after supporting everybody but Clinton in the Democratic primaries in 1992 and talking myself out of castng a third party vote. It was a hold your nose moment, really.

I was disappointed in Al Gore's campaign and had to talk myself out of pulling the lever for Ralph Nader. Best electoral decision I ever made.

I would have owned John Kerry--sort of--although I did switch my support to Howard Dean some time around October of 2004.

This go 'round Richardson was my first choice, Obama my second. It's the experience thing. When Richardson dropped out and Obama's campaign was showing signs of a degree of planning and organization that was truly incredible and frankly wiping the floor with the mighty Clinton machine, I was absolutely positively overjoyed to throw my support behind him. If the guy ran the country like he ran the campaign we'd be in very good hands.

Like you I'm not too sure about some of those cabinet picks but I'm going to give the guy the benefit of a doubt. Sure Paul Krugman as Treasury Secretary would be awesome beyond awesome but it was not going to happen. As for Robert Gates, while I'd personally like to see anyone involved with the Bush administration tarred and feathered and ridden out on a rail, Gates was brought in to clean up Rumsfeld's mess and by and large he has done a good job.

One of the reasons that so many of us have hated George W. Bush was the more than sneaking suspicion that we were smarter than the clown that our fellow Americans elected President. That's not the case with Obama. He's smart and he's surrounded himself with smart people. I'll take competence over ideology any day.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 07:18 AM
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23. k & r
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 09:48 AM
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24. This, IMO, is a landmark DU post. Thank you, Plaid Adder!!! K&R!
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 10:10 AM
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25. KandR. Awesome piece. Thank you. eom.
peace~
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 10:14 AM
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27. excellent post
that seems like a very good perspective.Have a great 4 years.I will try to be less suspicious of the government.

I agree partly with the above poster about the people fixing the problem are the ones who caused it?What the hell.It is so frustrating.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 10:55 AM
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28. Please let's keep some perspective
We hired Obama to do a job -- he works for us.

He wowed us in the job interview -- partly because he was good, partly because the other guy was so bad, and a lot because the current guy in the job is so horrible.

However, now that he has the job, we have every right to evaluate his performance -- and criticize when we feel he's not measuring up to what he promised in the interview.

We didn't canonize him as a saint or appoint him as an unquestionable dictator. We merely hired him to do a job. Some people exceed the promise of the job interview. Some meet it. And some fall short.

I've hired people with stunning resumes and smooth-as-silk interviews -- to find out later they were a real disappointment once they had to produce.

So, I'm going to keep an open mind and I'm going to feel free to criticize when I think it's called for.

I'm watching his cabinet and adviser picks with a little bit of dismay, but I'm willing to wait and see where he goes with it. But, that patience is not unlimited.

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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 11:23 AM
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29. You sound young and a bit naive.
"I have accepted the fact that persons whose politics match up with mine cannot be elected to the presidency of the United States."

You think you are exceptional. Lots of people do. I guess it depends on what perspective you look at it from.

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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 02:31 PM
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37. How do you get that?
I, too, know that the US will never elect someone as far to the left as myself, despite my constant reiteration that this country is far more liberal than its elected leaders would indicate it to be.

Where does exceptionalism come into that?
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 04:48 PM
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46. Naive, maybe. Young...BWAHAHAHA!!
Definintely not. But God love you for thinking it!

The Plaid Adder
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 12:04 PM
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30. I'm taking a lesson from how I enjoy certain things now
Little things that went 2 dimensional to me now bring me that spark of joy they used to in the old days. I know it's because of the election.

I was more beaten down than I realized. Now it's a new paradigm. Each day I look forward to something with interest instead of with dread. There's a lesson in that and I'm paying attention.
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 12:36 PM
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31. Fantastic post, PA!
You presented your points in a way that had not yet occurred to me. I don't think any of us can fully realize yet what eight years of Bush's Presidency has done to each of us on a personal level. I suppose I have developed an innate distrust of government thanks to his cabal without even fully realizing it.

And you're right in that Obama has earned the benefit of the doubt. Let's let him do the job we elected him to do. I have no delusions that he will be a paragon of virtue (especially in regard to GLBT rights), but then again, almost no Democrat that had any hope of being elected to the Presidency this year would have been.

Most excellent post, Plaid Adder. Thank you for making me think.

:hi:

K&R
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 01:10 PM
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32. Great post!
Obama is smart as hell -- which, when it comes to politics, may be more effective than being pure of heart.

I have no doubt that things will get better, but we'll always have petitions to sign, calls to make, protests to attend. At least now we won't feel like we're shouting into the void.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 01:12 PM
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33. I agree with #4 without question.
I think you are wrong about #1, however. This is why:

The United States is a LIBERAL Country.

:dem:

-Laelth
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 02:06 PM
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34. DANG, this is a good one, Plaid!
A REALLY good one.


"I really don't think I have even begun to assess how much damage living in Bush's world has done to me as a person."

This is SUPREMELY worth greater contemplation. I think you really hit on something - how we've been in this suppressed, depressed, oppositional position for so long that it's become second nature almost. And now we have to revisit it, especially in light of how we all have felt about what was done in our name, and on our nickel, for these past eight miserable, loathsome years.

REALLY good think piece. Which we all should do after we read it. Think. And reassess. And gear up - because the work ahead is HUGE. george doesn't leave little tiny boo-boo's behind that you can fix with a band-aid and a kiss from Mommy. He leaves catastrophic, epic disasters in his wake, that now just we Americans but the entire planet is going to have to help clean up.
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 02:21 PM
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35. Agree some, disagree some. #1 - this country WILL NEVER see a truly progressive in the
White House for many reasons. The nation is too corporate-controlled and most Americans are (im)perfectly happy with that as long as they can watch Idol and buy a new car every couple of years.

#2 - I don't think you can really conclude this because there was no parallel to Obama out there talking like Dennis Kucinich. It may be true, but not provable. My disappointment is that IF Obama had come on like RFK or DK, he might have been able to really move this country away from the center-right-to-far-right politics that we have suffered under for so long. As it turned out, we have settled for a slight movement of the goalposts - not-Bush is progress.

#3 - As the real work of government replaces the thrill of the election cycle, most people will return to their regularly scheduled programming (all too true).

#4 - to some extent, defined by each individual, Obama has earned the benefit of the doubt. But some will not have infinite patience. But some will.

The good thing, of course, is that George and his cabal will be further away from the reins of power. Not removed by any means, but not totally in control. And while we can revel in that reality, we should not settle for minor changes. To do so would be to waste this once-in-a-generation opportunity.
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JDwho Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 02:24 PM
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36. Rec.'d , You are so right, and it will take a lot of work,
at least for me, to even come close to trusting the govt. again. We are all scarred by the past eight years. But, getting past it is something we must do so B#!# doesn't end up taking more than he already has from us.
Obama does deserve the benefit of the doubt. In fact, I find myself having quite a bit of faith in his youthful wisdom, intelligence and reason. We, as citizens have a duty to put questions to our President and others we elect, or "hire". However, he believes in the decisions he is making, and I'm sure none of them are easy. So, I'll trust that he is still the smart guy in the room, which is only one of the reasons I voted for him.
Excellent Post, Plaid Adder. Thanks.
JD
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 02:32 PM
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38. K&R
awesome job!
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 03:03 PM
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39. Excellent post
Though I'm determined to remain vigilant and informed, I do feel it is okay to relax a bit and even focus on other areas of my life.

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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 03:04 PM
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40. Perfect. K & R nt
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 04:09 PM
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45. Superb post!!
:applause:
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 07:09 PM
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47. Providing Bush doesn't try to hang on!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 09:56 PM
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49. Ahhhh a "breath of fresh air," Plaid!
Thank You!

After January 20, 2009, George W. Bush will be gone. Someone else will be president--someone who, no matter what you may believe, is much more fit for the job and much more likely to do some good with it than W. ever was. If, after that transition takes place, we persist in acting and feeling as if nothing has changed, we are only hurting ourselves.

During these past eight years it felt, to me anyway, as if I had crossed through the looking glass into a new and horrifying world from which there would never be an escape. But in fact, the Bush years are not going to last forever--unless we refuse to leave him behind.

To prepare myself for this day, I sometimes practice saying goodbye to him. I imagine him skulking out of the White House with his bag of golf clubs and loading them into the back of his non-union moving van and driving away in silence while Obama's inaugural parade marches joyfully and boisterously down the street. History has left you behind, George. We are all stuck grappling with your dark, vile, catastrophic legacy. But don't you stick around; you'll be no help at all. We're all headed out to do what has to be done to clean up your mess, and hopefully to build something new, something that can measure up to the joy and hope everyone felt that night they discovered that another world was possible. Go on back to your darkness, you little, little man, and leave the world to those of us who know how to love it.
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ksimons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 12:49 AM
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51. K&R!!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 12:52 AM
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52. Excellent post. K&R.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 12:56 AM
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53. What a lovely farewell thread...see ya on the other side...
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 01:15 AM
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54. I will stay paranoid right up to Inauguration Day, because that's how I roll.
I'm sure you understand.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 04:49 AM
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55. 1) well, not with that attitude ;)
2)yeah, hes great at politics... but i thought we were voting against politics as usual...and thus far it turns out thats just what this is gonna be by the looks of it...politics as usual. i dont think anyone with any criticism is saying they could run a political campaign.
3)not having enough free time is a silly reason to stop caring.
4)i agree, people can be disappointed with the appointments but i really think people should hold off some until he takes office at the very least.


as for shutting down gitmo and the like... what sane person wouldnt?
im supposed to be impressed that hes not a sociopath like the neo-cons who get off on fear and pain?
sorry, but any civilized person should be for that.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 05:16 AM
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56. Big Rec just for this part
And I also think that what people here (including on occasion myself) have attacked as negativity, pointless bitching, etc., is also the evidence of how difficult that adjustment will be for many of us to make. Blind trust is not healthy, nor is it something most of us are temperamentally capable of offering anyway.

I have found the "stop complaining about Obama" and "wait until he gets into office to be upset" threads every bit as painful, annoying and unconstructive as the "the sky is falling under Obama" threads. People need to just let people speak their peace and get the hell over it.

Well done.
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