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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 07:59 PM
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Nate Silver dissects Obama's Policies (graph included)
This was kind of interesting, Nate Silver dissected Obama's policies and put them in a graph. I'll post it here with a link and you can go and read the rest:



http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/obamas-agenda-difference-between.html
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RollWithIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 08:10 PM
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1. Min Wage increase to 9.50 isnt really possible in this economy, sadly....
That's a 2nd term kind of thing.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 11:45 AM
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10. President doesn't control min. wage. Congress does. And they've already raised it.
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pot luck Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 08:15 PM
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2. Interesting.
That's about what I suspected. Although he may surround himself with centrist, his policies are largely progressive.
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 09:04 PM
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3. I love graphs!
Kick :kick:

Thanks!
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 09:13 PM
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4. I like Nate Silver more and more...
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 09:31 PM
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5. What an interesting character Nate is - he's really found a niche for himself!
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 09:33 PM
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6. this man is amazing- a pleasure to read his analyses
Edited on Tue Nov-25-08 09:36 PM by tigereye


on edit, what the hell is this crap about "clean coal" - seems like an oxymoron.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 09:52 PM
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7. great
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 11:38 AM
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8. Thank you
This was very informative.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 11:41 AM
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9. A big fat K & friggin R!!!
"Obama hates progressives! WAHHHHHHH" :banghead:
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 11:48 AM
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11. none of the center/center-right policies are dealbreakers.
And the stuff on the left side of the graph is extremely encouraging!
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Sunnyshine Donating Member (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 01:46 PM
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22. K & R - I like extremely encouraging things! n/t
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 11:50 AM
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12. Cool
Edited on Wed Nov-26-08 11:51 AM by Shiver
The vast majority of his policies are progressive or encompass progressive. Woulda thunk? :toast:
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 12:07 PM
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13. Revealing. I wonder where killing Bin Laden fits in.
I love Obama, but whenever he talks about remaining in Afghanistan I flinch.

Nate Silver is the new Elvis!
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 12:10 PM
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14. Way Too Geeky!
I nominate Nate as king of the Geeks. I hope to see him and shake his hand at the next Comi-con.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 12:14 PM
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15. One critical thought: Those few "center-right" policies that Nate lists DETERMINE
whether or not the rest of the issues are addressed. Because of the outrageous amount of money spent on 'expenses of maintaining an empire' -- including OVER 800 military bases around the world, we consistently do not find the money to do the rest of what is on Obama's list.

Further, even if Obama could lead a progressive administration by spending (as TrueMajority suggests) just $50 billion less per year on the military and investing it in social & green programs, that is still immoral, in my opinion, given that the U.S. use of military IS immoral in largest part. It is illegal and immoral in Iraq.

U.S. spending on military compared to other nations - from Truemajority.com Priorities Project -


U.S. spending - military vs. other programs - - from Truemajority.com Priorities Project -


Truemajority.com Priorities Project -
http://www.truemajority.org/csba/priorities.php

From the Truemajority video on U.S. spending, if we took 5 cookies ($50 billion) from military and spent it elsewhere, then... http://www.truemajority.org/oreos/






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Sunnyshine Donating Member (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 01:51 PM
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23. I would like to k & r your post.These graphs speak for themselves- thank you for posting them. n/t
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AyanEva Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 12:17 PM
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16. Yay for funding adult education!
I work in adult education in the Kensington section of Philadelphia. You have no idea how happy this makes me, as well as seeing the promise neighborhoods inititative. :3
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 01:16 PM
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17. who voted these issues as progressive?
Edited on Wed Nov-26-08 01:17 PM by mikelgb
progressives may agree with some of them because that is the best the "center" will even discuss

I mean some of these are so laughably milquetoast "Re-engage UN on climate change", sure I'm all for it but is that my position on climate change? and is that strictly a progressive position? seems center to me.

"mandate health insurance for kids" uhm NO! --- FREE HEALTHCARE for kids = progressive

Wishful thinking on Nate's part

the scale is wrong it should begin with "center-left" and end with "conservative"
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 01:29 PM
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18. oops, wrong spot
Edited on Wed Nov-26-08 01:29 PM by PeaceNikki
:blush:
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 01:29 PM
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19. Very nice, thank you!
:)
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 01:30 PM
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20. Nate Silver analyzes Obama's proposals with a clear eye.
Nate Silver writes:


There is, to say the least, a lot of jumping to conclusions about just which type of President Barack Obama is liable to be, by which I mean whether he'll govern from the left or the center. This speculation has been principally based on his cabinet appointments, a subject that people may be reading too much into.

.....


1. In the realm of domestic policy, there are a surprising number of proposals -- mostly buried within the fine print of Obama's website -- that are more or less unapologetically progressive/liberal. These include things such as doubling public spending on science and after-school programs, banning racial profiling, expanding the use of non-traditional courts and detainment facilities for non-violent drug offenders, several different block grant programs targeted at inner cities, expanding AmeriCorps and the Peace Corps, and a large array of protections for workers and consumers. While Obama also has a number of programs that have broader, centrist appeal -- such as reforming No Child Left Behind or allowing the importation of prescription drugs from abroad -- very few are incompatible with the progressive agenda, with just a couple of exceptions like Obama's advocacy for clean coal and charter schools. Obama's domestic program is, by and large, progressive and ambitious (probably overambitious).

2. In the realm of economic policy, there are also some explicitly progressive items, such as raising the minimum wage, investing $1 billion in anti-poverty jobs programs, and of course, reversing the Bush tax cut. There is also a heavy overlap, however, with what might be called libertarian paternalism: "smart" policies which incent good behavior through tax credits or choice architecture (a classic example is Obama's plan to enroll all employees in pension programs by default, until they elect to opt out). Obama's health care program, given its lack of a mandate, is also arguably an example of libertarian paternalism (although its incentives need to be better designed than in their current conception). A libertarian paternalist framework supplemented with a number of smaller-scale, piecemeal programs that tend more classically toward social welfare (such as heating assistance for lower-income families) would hardly be the worst place for progressives to end up, even if a bit less ideologically pure than the New Deal or the Great Society. One notable exception is free trade, where Obama is not really pretending to be anything other than centrist.

3. Lastly, in the realm of foreign policy, Obama is fairly circumspect, but where he shows his hand, tends fairly explicitly in the direction of the political center. The withdraw of troops from Iraq has been carefully hedged (at least it is now, if it wasn't during the primaries). Obama advocates national missile defense; he advocates increasing defense spending. Perhaps just as revealing are the things that Obama doesn't promise -- there is no mention, for instance, of amending FISA. It would seem that when national security goals conflict with other ones in the Obama administration, national security goals will usually win.


Still, this can hardly be described as a centrist agenda (even though much of it should have significant appeal to moderates). The appropriate critique, rather, is that not very much of it may be realized, because portions of it would be rather expensive to enact. It seems to me that to implement a material portion of his domestic policy agenda, Obama needs TWO of the following three things to happen:

a. He needs to follow through with his promise to roll back the Bush tax cuts, and/or,
b. He needs to decrease rather than increase Pentagon spending, and/or,
c. He needs the economy to recover more quickly and more robustly than generally anticipated.

The fight over the Bush tax cuts, it seems to me, could be the fight of Obama's first year in office; there may be a massive intraparty fight at first (should the tax hikes be brought to the table?), followed potentially by an interparty fight. This is one place where partisans on all sides could have a lot of influence.

But in the longer term, the fight over the defense budget, which will probably trade off more or less explicitly with Obama's domestic policy prerogatives, could be the key flash point between progressives and the administration. In certain ways, an increase in defense spending seems incompatible with Obama's notion of a smarter, more aerodynamic government, particularly one that is able to restore American soft power in lieu of military spending, and/or is (eventually) able to end the conflict in Iraq. If progressives are looking for strategic rather than tactical (or ideological) fights, that may be the place to start.




The Bush war mongering has destroyed our economy and our world standing.


I've often thought that we cannot mount a full and unfettered restoration of our economy unless we stop the bleeding of the budget through massive, unnecessary defense spending. With the return to diplomacy and working with other countries for common goals, there is no justification for maintaining the obscene Pentagon spending. It is what has kept Bush and his cronies very wealthy, and the rest of us very, very poor, in pocketbook, national security and in hope.



I agree with Mr. Silver in that we need to exert massive citizen-pressure effort into decreasing spending by the Department of Defense, coupled with rollback of Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy.


Only then can we properly begin restoring our economy.



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Sunnyshine Donating Member (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 01:36 PM
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21. Wait for it...
Nate Silver is a far left hater that pisses on himself!:sarcasm:
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