DUO TAKE OBAMA BIRTH CHALLENGE TO COURT

[CatWoman]

From NBC’s Pete Williams

When the justices of the U.S. Supreme Court meet on Dec. 5th, in their regular private conference to decide which cases to hear, two lawsuits that have captivated a segment of the blogosphere will be up for discussion.

Both urge the court to consider claims that President-elect Obama is not qualified to be president, because he is not a natural-born American citizen.

Persistent concerns about the qualifications of both major party candidates rank among the oddest aspects of 2008's historic campaign.

Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution provides that "No person except a natural born citizen" is eligible to be president. John McCain's status was questioned because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone and various theories have been advanced to cast doubt on Obama's.

Lawsuits over the inclusion of their names on state general-election ballots popped up around the country and were quickly dispensed with by local courts. But two challengers have pursued their cases to the Supreme Court.

Pennsylvania lawyer Philip Berg claims that the circumstances of Obama's birth are vague and that he may have been born in Kenya. Obama's mother, Berg asserts, later flew to Hawaii to register the birth.

Leo Donofrio, a New Jersey lawyer, contends that election officials in his state failed to ensure that only legally qualified candidates were placed on the ballot. Obama may have been born in the United States, Donofrio argues, but "natural born" status depends on both parents being American citizens. Obama's father was Kenyan.

The justices are unlikely to take up these cases for a host of reasons, not the least of which is the invitation to overturn the results of an election in which more than 66 million Americans voted for Obama. An equally high hurdle is the issue of whether Berg or Donofrio have the legal right to sue claiming a violation of the Constitution.

In dismissing Berg's complaint, a federal judge in Pennsylvania found that he failed to meet the basic test required for sustaining a lawsuit, because he couldn't show how the inclusion of Obama's name on the ballot would cause him -- apart from others -- some particular harm. Berg's stake, the judge said, "is no greater and his status no more differentiated than that of millions of other voters."

Other courts presented with similar challenges have reached the same conclusion, ruling that there is no general legal right to sue over the Constitution's eligibility requirements. Federal courts typically reject claims of legal standing based simply on a litigant's status as a voter or taxpayer.

The Obama campaign had hoped to end the controversy last spring by releasing his actual Hawaii birth certificate. But that prompted further questions about its authenticity, which were compounded when state authorities in Hawaii said they could not vouch for it, because they were constrained by the privacy laws.

Then, on Oct. 31st, the director of Hawaii's Department of Health issued a statement, proclaiming that he had personally seen and verified that the state has "Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record," which shows that he was born there.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/11/26/1689515.aspx

[Alter Ego]

1. Good. They can be embarrassed in front of a national stage.

[Joe Bacon]

86. And Alan Keyes got into the act here in California, too!

He's also filing a challenge to block California from casting its electoral votes for Obama using the same lies as Berg is.

[polichick]

2. Where does Donofrio get this idea that "natural born" refers to two American parents?

Sorry, I've pretty much ignored this guy.

[Justyce]

4. No kidding - is this what he's counting on? If so, he's wasted a lot

of time and money.

[NewJeffCT]

13. It's not a waste to them, though

Because it was dragged through the courts so many times already, there are enough dimwitted people out there to start to believe that "where there is smoke, there is fire" sort of crap... even if they don't believe it, it helps to create a smidgen of doubt about Obama - "ok, it looks legitimate, but it's certainly strange that it took so long to clarify that, and who knows what happened in that time?"

Then, they'll sue to look through everything in Michelle Obama's life since her birth to see if she ever used the word "whitey" and if she tries to fight the lawsuits, those people who had a smidgen of doubt about Obama before, now have another smidgen of doubt.

Then, they'll sue to go through every word of every sermon from Jeremiah Wright, and everything ever done by Bill Ayers, etc, etc.

It's not about winning to them, it's about creating chinks in the armor, cracks in the foundation, etc.

[TheBigotBasher]

44. The silly bigots make me laugh.

I guess they never read Shakespeare. They could have an argument if some mad Judge confuses the "Scottish Play" with the Constitution.

To solve the natural birth - consider he "who is not born of mothers womb".

[onenote]

12. I think it has to do with some cockamamie thoery of dual citizenship

His claim is that because one of Obama's parents was American and one Kenyan, he held "dual citizenship" at the time of his birth and that, he claims, means he's not a "natural born" citizen.

What basis he has for that conclusion is a mystery to me.

[polichick]

15. I thought ANY child born here, even if neither parent is a citizen, is natural born.

[onenote]

16. you're right of course. Like I said, its a cockamamie theory

[nxylas]

32. I think one parent has to be a US citizen

And I think they have to be resident here, otherwise any baby born to people who were visiting the States on vacation would become a US citizen. But I'm not a lawyer, so don't quote me on that.

[polichick]

33. What about the babies with Mexican parents who are born here - aren't they citizens?

[WinkyDink]

38. Yes. Born here = citizen (Mexican or other parents. Hee.).

[polichick]

41. That's what I thought - so how does this guy think he has a leg to stand on?

(You only hear about that happening with Mexican parents here to work, never with vacationers from other countries ~ but I guess that must happen occasionally too.)

[WinkyDink]

69. (I know; just being snarky!) I think what we've got here is a marginally-intelligent wing-nut.

[Ikonoklast]

39. Nope.

Unless the parents don't want the child to be a U.S. citizen, the child by virtue of being born on U.S. soil, is automatically a citizen with all the rights of such under the Constitution.

The nationality of either parents is meaningless under the law. They could be visiting from the planet Neptune. Matters not. Kid born here, he's a Yankee Doodle.

This lawsuit will go nowhere.

[WolverineDG]

54. It's the child's birthright

Can't be waived by the parents, but upon reaching the age of 18, the child can choose to opt out.

dg

[WolverineDG]

53. Um, actually that is the case

anyone born in the US, regardless of where their parents are from or for how long they are in the country, is a citizen of the US. (see 14th Amendment)

dg

[proud2BlibKansan]

59. No - any baby born here IS a US citizen

The citizenship of the parents does not matter.

[leftynyc]

60. That happens to be the law

If you are born on US soil, you are an American citizen. Bigots call them anchor babies. It's only when you declare you are a citizen of another country that you forfeit US citizenship.

[nxylas]

64. OK, I was wrong

Sorry.

[leftynyc]

65. Good Heavens

No need to apologize. It's not like this is common knowledge. If I came off as a know it all, it's me that should be apologizing.

[nxylas]

71. I just figured those were words you don't hear enough on Internet discussion forums

There are too many people on boards like this who would continue to argue that they were right until Doomsday. I hoped to set a good example.

[jbnow]

75. Let's say I am French and get a student visa

to study here. I get pregnant in France but I am here when the baby is born.
The father and I are French citizens, we sure consider our baby a French citizen.

Or I am Canadian and here for a visit and go into labor early and give birth in a US hospital.
I certainly consider my baby to be Canadian.

I know the rule you are talking about but it seems the non-American parents have to have some choice. It would be ridiculous for the babies in the above situations to be American citizens Are they?

[crispini]

82. Born on American soil, you are an American.

By French law you would probably be French as well; not familiar with French law. Typically, kids of parents of other nations have to ask for and/or renounce one of the citizenships. I have a friend whose mom is British, although he was born here, he could have applied to be a Brit when he was 19 or something like that.

[jberryhill]

85. Yes

What some folks don't seem to get is that, yes, any child born here (except in certain situations involving parents here on a diplomatic mission) is considered a US citizen by the US, and will remain as such until at least age 18. After age 18, the person can renounce their US citizenship to a US consular official in a foreign country.

France may also consider the child to be a French citizen.

It's not an either-or situation, since every country gets to make its own rules as to whom it will consider a citizen. But - and here's the point the freepers don't get - just because some other country considers you to be a citizen, it does not affect your US citizenship if you were born here. Not one bit.

If you have friends of Irish ancestry, ask around... you may be surprised to find out how many Irish Americans who have never set foot outside of the US went ahead and perfected their Irish citizenship. Ireland is particularly liberal in recognizing citizenship status. Anyone with an Irish grandparent born in Ireland can apply for Irish citizenship, and many do. You can use an Irish passport to get in through the shorter line if you visit Ireland, but when you return to the US, you have to enter with your US passport.

[mrs_p]

91. my friend of

peruvian parents was born in texas while dad was in school. she was an automatic citizen and even carries a US passport

[Cleita]

37. It used to be that way. I even knew illegal status parents of American born

children who became legal residents because the courts back then ruled that an American child had a right to be raised by its parents here in the USA. Of course that was before all the hatred of Mexican immigrants became widespread and the INS started changing their rulings on this. I don't think any laws have changed just interpretations of it over the years.

[polichick]

42. Yes, these are the cases I was thinking of. Seems like a pretty major leap...

...to question Barack's status when his mom was a Kansan.

[jberryhill]

93. The ultimate Freeper irony

The Freeps go ballistic whenever a Supreme Court decision includes a discussion of comparative international law on a given point, since they believe that such dicta is the application of "foreign law" to a US legal question.

What's funny about the Donofrio argument is that they want to rely on British law as applied to the child of a British subject - to the exclusion of the plain language of the 14th Amendment that all persons born in the US and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are US citizens.

On "subject to the jurisdiction thereof", they don't seem to grasp that a person physically present in Hawaii is certainly subject to the jurisdiction of US law.

But, for the first time ever, freepers want to have the Supreme Court ignore the US Constitution, and have it apply British law exclusively.

Too funny.

[KamaAina]

18. If that were the case, the right would have to STFU about "anchor babies"

kind of like when Hillary was supposedly a lesbian and having a torrid affair with Vince Foster. :eyes:

[onehandle]

3. Well, it's over. We might as well swear in President Cheney right now.

sigh...

[PBS Poll-435]

5. NBC's Pete Williams certainly gets around these days...

:shrug:

[Hieronymus]

14. Every time I see Pete Williams I remember him working for Dick

Cheney. Thank God, he got outed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Williams

[bunnies]

6. Oh goody. This again.

:eyes:

[CatWoman]

7. Much to "YOUR" dismay,

I found it interesting that this issue made its way into the MSM.

[bunnies]

9. Yep. I'm the ONLY one here sick of posts on this bullshit.

Silly me. All hail the M$M!

[CatWoman]

11. YES.

silly you.


your "hide thread" button broke?

[Warren Stupidity]

20. your 'post bullshit filter' broke?

[JuniperLea]

21. Apparently not any more broken than yours...

:eyes:

I know you are but what am I? I'm rubber, you're glue... neener neener neener...

Jesus, people. This is really embarrassing.

[CatWoman]

43. I certainly don't recall getting youir permission as to what I may post

and to take it one step further: I don't recall asking you to visit this thread, either.

Ram it, jerk.

[BumRushDaShow]

10. That's the sad part.

Someone like Pete "CNN made me famous" Williams commenting on this, and others of his ilk now in the RW-biased M$M and coming out of the woodwork from days past trying to somehow legitimize the ludicrous claims, is frustrating.

[jbnow]

76. Of course it wouls make MSM once Supreme Court

agrees to look at it.
They rejected it earlier (Souter) but then it was submitted to Thomas who agreed to have it considered.

It doesn't make the case any less stupid.

[sufrommich]

8. This will strike most people as sour grapes. I don't see it

damaging Obama with anyone who isn't already dead set against him,anyway. It makes republicans and their court jesters look ridiculous.

[Danger Mouse]

17. What next? Are they going to call Larry Sinclair for an interview?

[S_E_Fudd]

19. WIlliams is incorrect...Hawaii officials in fact did vouch for the legitimacy of...

Obama's birth certificate. They cannot provide it to the media because they are constrained by law.

[onenote]

23. isn't that what the last line of the story indicates?

[S_E_Fudd]

25. Yep...noticed that after I posted...

Sorry

[JuniperLea]

22. MSNBC must be as bad as the rest... unless...

They are making sure the world sees this bullshit, so they will know who the purveyors of said bullshit were and are;)

[matcom]

24. I can 100% CONFIRM

he was born

end.of.issue.

[polmaven]

31. And just where

is your PROOF????? Huh? Huh? Hmm...I thought so!

[Holly_Hobby]

26. What about these???

Are they really good photoshops or authentic?

[jberryhill]

27. Those birth announcements were part of the plot...

They were phoned into the papers from Kenya, in order to preserve Obama's eligibility to run for President 47 years in the future.

Your post proves they've been faking the evidence on this thing since 1961!

Heh.

[Holly_Hobby]

28. DUH, why didn't I think of that! n/t

[jberryhill]

30. Actually...

Since I don't watch soap operas, I've been reading Freeper threads on this nonsense for months.

At one point, yes, it was Barack's grandmother who phoned in the birth announcements and summoned Stanley Ann to come home because she wanted Barack to be a US citizen. So, several days after Barack's birth, like some Mary gone to Egypt with baby Jesus, Barack's mother trucked him all the way from Kenya to Hawaii on prop-driven planes in the era of no Expedia, so they could then register his birth in Hawaii after the fact.

She was the last living person who knew the truth, and this is why she had to be silenced before the election, because she couldn't be trusted not to spill the beans.

Except for the really sick parts of it, some of it is better than Marvel Comics.

It's a Chinese finger trap for the rightwing paranoid mind.

[Holly_Hobby]

52. I didn't have kids, but don't hospitals automatically report births to newspapers?

The parents and grandparents don't do it, I'm sure of it.

[jberryhill]

56. In 1961, in Hawaii, who knows?

That's why they can read anything they want into the gap.

Barack Obama's grandmother was influential in the banking business, so she's been secretly funneling money to all manner of institutions in Hawaii in order to keep the lid on this thing, you see.

[Holly_Hobby]

61. Ah yes, I see :)

I was born in 1956, I will ask my mom tomorrow how my birth got into the paper a week later. Not that it matters in this case, but it has sure piqued my curiosity.

[LynnTheDem]

63. Obama's birth was announced in the Hawaiian paper at his birth.

The REPUBLICAN Hawaii State Health Director has already publicly said Obama's BC is genuine and he was in fact born in Hawaii.

But no facts whatsofuckingever will convince the stupidest MFers on the planet (freepers) simply because they are the stupidest MFers on the planet.

Birth announcement

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?template=zoom&Site=M1&Date=20081109&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=811090361&Ref=V3

[jbnow]

79. Someone went to Hawaii to investigate (a Puma)

and found the announcement in one of the papers where the info comes directly from the hospital only. (It varies by paper)

To their credit the person released this information, so giving up on Obama not being a citizen by birth went on to a new theory of how he gave up his citizenship later.
Factcheck who saw the birth certificate provides link to blog thread about announcement
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Here is the post

Lori

Hi, I’ve talked to the Department of Vital Records and the Honolulu Advertiser.In 1961, the hospitals would take their new birth certificates to Vital Records. At the end of the week, Vital Records would post a sheet that for the news paper to pick up that contained births, deaths, marriages and divorces. The Advertiser routinely printed this information in their Sunday edition. This is not a paid announcement that his grandmother could arrange. This is information that comes from Vital Records - we know this because this particular section reflects those records. They didn’t have a provision for paid, one sentence announcement that would be included in the Vital Records. At the time, if a child was born outside a hospital, the family would have 30 days to apply for a birth certificate and Vital Records would expect to see prenatal care records, or pediatrician records of the first check up, etc. They’d also want the notarized statement from the mid-wife. Of course, they can apply later but that would noted as a different kind of birth certificate. I think TD has already addressed that. This information was received by Vital Records the first week of his birth = that suggests the hospital.

Next, the announcement is from Sunday, August 13th and Obama was born on Friday, August 4th. Hospitals usually don’t take birth certificate information the first couple days to avoid changes. So it was likely filled out on the 4th or so, as hospital stays were usually 3 - 5 days at the time. Lastly, having worked in a newborn nursery in college, hospitals don’t ask for documentation. If mom says she’s married, that’s what they write. They have no authority to question her statement.

In Honolulu at the time, paid birth announcements weren’t in vogue. Frequently families would post one year announcements that included pictures from the party, etc. I haven’t checked to see if that exists.

I hope that finishes clearing this up.

The guy who's case went to SCOTUS has the claim that even if he was born here his torn loyalties from having a Kenyan father means he is not natural born. I am sure the infant Obama lost a lot of sleep over this country allegiance and had long talks with his father about it before father left when he was two. Or something.

[crispini]

83. OMG -- that's a great post, very detailed, lots of info...

and they're still in denial!

[jberryhill]

84. "long talks when he was two"

Seriously.

Barack was obviously also steeped in religious doctrine at age four when his enrollment form at the St. Francis school was filled out by who-knows-who.

What I like about the school enrollment form is the freepers indefatiguable ability to entirely miss the point that it was the SAINT FRANCIS school - yeah, that's one real progressive madrassa there.

[TheBigotBasher]

66. The Freeper threads are moderate

Bigot Johnson, (who if you go to his site is not desperately trying to be notquitesobigoted), first ran with this story. In much the same way of his "whitey tape".

This was encouraged by bigot TexasCow who was one of those behind the original story questioning where he was born (and is also why bigots such as PUMA scum) and questioning his surname. PUMA Scum call Obama, Barry Soetoro.

Bigot TexasCow ran several stories on nothalfbigoted through lead bigot Johnson. As rumours "spread" (ie went to Freeper and other Republican front sites like incontinent daughter at the flatulence), Obama published his birth certificate on fightthesmears.com

Bigot TexasCow then found a new recruit to her klan. A similar poster to a bigot that posts at Stormfront (which is a bigot site) who really does go by the name TechDude. Bigot TechDude on StormFront claimed that he wanted to undermine the election of Obama. PUMA TechDude then published all over the place that he was an "expert on photoshop" and that the Obama birth certificate was fake. He and TexasCow would provide irrefutable proof. This made all of the PUMA scum wet their white sheets so much they could almost not wear them. Of course when it came to the big day Bigot TechDude was no where to be seen.

On the day the posts linking PUMA TechDude to Stormfront Techdude was however exposed by a poster on Nothalfbigoted.

Bigot TexasCow no longer posts on Nothalfbigoted. There was no explanation.


(TechDude is the real user name. Bigot Johnson and Bigot TexasCow may be slight variations)
(If any of the above bigots wants to sue I am in England!)

[PatGund]

68. You forgot.....

TexasDarlin's pet Neo-Confederate, "Judah Benjamin", who's nom de PUMA is that of the Confederate Secretary of State.

And, of course, the other player in the "it's a forgery, honest", Polarik. Who is now claiming to be "Dr. Ron Polarik, MS, Ph.D. FoS (full of shit)"

[jberryhill]

77. I tried following Polarik's stuff, before it became absolutely convoluted

But was Polarik part of the original birth certificate junta, or was he a pick-up at FR?

[TheBigotBasher]

88. All part of the photoshop rubbish.

There are links back from the TexasCow to StormFront, although I am not convinced that the user pinned as TexasBigot is it.

I'm pretty sure about Techdude and Dr Bigot Psoriasis or whatever the name does not appear to exist offline.

[crispini]

72. Better than soap operas.

Hell, I thought that WE were getting a tad bitter-ender-y around here in the 2004 election what with the Boxer challenge and stuff, but the truth is, there WERE election irregularities in Ohio, and it was so close, we had a right to question. This stuff is more bitter-ender-y than we ever were, by a factor of x1000.

[jberryhill]

78. Yes, there is a difference between a hunch, a suspicion, and outright denialism

The BC stuff is winding into weird legal theories at this point. Since it's overwhelmingly clear that Obama was born in Hawaii, I thought it would wind down. But the "his father was a British subject" thing just takes it in an even more bizarre direction. I don't think these people realize that every country gets to make its own citizenship rules.

Of course, if an R is elected again, all we have to do is to have some country somewhere declare him or her to be a citizen of that country, and we can claim "Aha - dual citizenship".

They seem to have weeded out even the marginal thinkers at FR in successive purges of those who supported the "wrong" R primary candidates.

[Berry Cool]

40. Who cares about the birth announcement? Check out that "career training" ad.

"Jet Engine Specialist"--"High School Not Required."

Those were the days!

[BumRushDaShow]

49. Look at the "Heavy Equipment Operator" salary

$7,000 - $10,000. That was pretty amazing for 1961!

[Robb]

47. Google led me to an interesting story:

Obama's Hawaii boyhood homes drawing gawkers
"Fringe theorists who insist Obama was born in Kenya are left to ponder how two independent Honolulu daily newspapers and the state Department of Health could be part of conspiracy half a century ago to thwart the truth about the future president of the United States."

:rofl:

[Utnapishtim]

29. This is all about de-legitimizing Obama's Presidency.

That's a standard right-wing dirty trick these past forty years, though it takes different forms: Kennedy, if you will recall, was supposed to be secretly loyal to the Vatican (and Al Smith before him); Roosevelt and Truman were believed to have sold out to Soviet influence-peddlers at Malta; Dukakis was untrustworthy because of his immigrant heritage; etc. Anywhere the right-wing can get away with it, they will try to portray the lefter of the two candidates as owing allegiance to some external force aside from the United States, because it helps to sell their narrative of being 'True Americans'.

As an aside, hello. :-)

[Vinca]

34. And hello to you! I'm afraid in this instance the wingnuts are coming

out looking like they're candidates for a rubber room.

[jberryhill]

57. They are de-legitimizing any perception they are sane

At least with Whitewater and whatnot there was enough in the stew to make it look like something was up.

With this stuff, they make about as much sense as leprechaun hunters.

[Cleita]

35. Obama was born in an American state. McCain being born in Panama is

ifier. Although the canal zone at the time was an American territory, it isn't today and I don't think it ever had the same territorial status as say Puerto Rico. It was more a leasehold, like Guantanamo. I was born in a foreign country of an American father. My citizenship was never disputed because of my mother who later became an American citizen. What I was told that any American born overseas could not be President of the United States and frankly I believe this could apply to McCain, but Obama is a true blue born citizen if he was born in America and one parent is American. Why would anyone want to waste their time with this?

[tigereye]

36. his mom was an American citizen, and he was born in the US...

what else is there?


Damn this guy is wacky. :crazy:

[Rosa Luxemburg]

46. This guy is loopy

[Rosa Luxemburg]

45. Once again Obama was BORN in Hawaii. Born means natural born

'natural born' means born in the United States and Hawaii is in the United States.

His Dad was born in Kenya so what?

[IndianaGreen]

48. Are children born out a C-section considered natural born?

This shit can really get silly.

:eyes:

[kwassa]

58. As Steven Wright once said .....

"I was born by Cesarean section.
But not so you'd notice.
It's just that when I leave a house,
I go out through the window.

[TexasObserver]

50. It's not The Three Stooges unless they recruit Joe the Plumber to play Curly

[and-justice-for-all]

51. What a wanker....

and a sore loser too.

They do not have a case, this is an act of total desperation and it is rather pathetic too. "No person except a natural born citizen" if that is the case, Obama should have never been in the primary, funny how this has just come up.

Leo Donofrio is one dumb SOB. Obama is an American citizen, go fuck yourself Donofrio.

[WolverineDG]

55. A tempest in a teapot

that could easily have been resolved had someone bothered to read the law (or be lazy like me & look it up on wiki).
1790's--natural born citizen extended to children born abroad of US citizens (McCain)
Various years: extended to those born in US territories, such as Puerto Rico or Arizona (Goldwater)
Since inception of the US: anyone born within the United States regardless of the parents' status

Further supported by the prohibition on bills of attainder & looking at citizenship status based upon the individual, not the individual's parents (unless as granted above).

dg

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

62. When even sub-morons like Hannity won't touch it

it is such obvious bullshit that it would lose in a third-grade debate.

These idiots have been damn near literally laughed out of every court in front of which they've managed to get heard.

A statement of a governmental registrar on the authenticity of a state document is definitive under the Rules of Evidence. All a judge has to do is take what is called "judicial notice" of such a statement or written averment. The contested statement is therefore assumed to be true. Overcoming this presumption is like overcoming the law of gravity. It will not happen.

Once upon a time I was a lawyer and learned all of this guff.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

67. It's such a crock of shit. We've already seen his birth certificate.

Besides, Obama would never have run in the first place if he wasn't eligible.

[rocktivity]

70. I'm still waiting to see their evidence that Obama was born elsewhere

and even if he was, that his mother was not a U.S. citizen at the time.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Zombie2]

73. I spoke with my McCain/Palin supportin brother......

about this on the phone today. I caught him completely off guard when I brought up the fact that McLame was born outside of the country... it was fun.

BTW, my poor (as in lacking $$$) southern Baptist preacher brother even tried to tell me that someone making $250,000.00 a year is "not a wealthy person". Where in the hell did he learn that one? We grew up poor and he lives poorish to this day. Then he went on talking about how trickle down economics is the greatest thing ever. His son gives plasma for money to buy his college books for christ sakes.

[apocalypsehow]

74. I thought she'd agreed to be SOS?

:shrug:

[mkultra]

80. Hillary is waiting in the wings

shes ready to step in if our party needs her. The thought of what she could do as vice president just brings tears to my eyes.
Go HILLARY! WE LOVE YOU!!!!!!

[CreekDog]

81. I'd like to thank DUers for NOT recommending this thread

It's news and I get that.

[cherlsh44]

87. Freeper calls Obama's late mother a "slut"

Go to post #39

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2139445/posts

[rasputin1952]

89. I liketo see RW maniacs toss their money into a lost cause...

less they can do to harm the rest of us.

Simple answer...Obama is a US citizen, born on US soil of am American mother. This should be prosecuted as a frivolous lawsuit...;)

[Omaha Steve]

90. Fact Check: The truth about Obama's birth certificate (photos too)

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

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[mmonk]

92. I'm so tired of nut jobs. I hold out little hope of an intelligent citizenry.

This country is certifiably loony that this is even discussed.