Even if Bush Blanket Pardon everyone involved in torture, We can still shame them!

[Perky]

We can still compel grand jury and congressional testimony, In fact anyone pardoned will not be able to plead the Fifth and thif the lie there are obstuction and perjury and conspiracy threats.

The point is that there is real value in developing a chronology and documenting the bad actors. We can still issue findings of Fact and we can still publicly censure Bushco and renounce the practice and pledge that we will never do it again.

Might not be what you want, but we need to understand that it HAS to be non-partisan and probably take the form of a Blue-ribbon commission.

Not satifying I realize, but very important from a confessional and repudiation standpoint ...... but probably...ultimately, it is all we can get out of it.

[MasonJar]

1. His pardons will hold no weight at the Hague; he might be there too..one can hope!

[Dis Pater]

2. Maddow and Turley believe that b*sh will not issue pardons for them

He is betting that the Dems will blink and not go forward w/ prosecutions.-

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Turley_Democratic_leaders_want_pardons_for_1126.html

"They know that the people what want him to pardon our torture program is primarily the Democrats, it's not the Republicans," Turley explained. "The Democratic leadership would love to have a pardon so they could go to their supporters and say, 'Look, there's really nothing we could do. ... There really can't be any indictments now.'"

"The Bush administration is calling their bluff," stated Turley. "They know that the Democratic leadership will not allow criminal investigations or indictments."

"The question is the intestinal fortitude of the Democrats to stand with the rule of law," he continued. "Unfortunately, we have many people who campaign on principle but they govern on politics. And I think that we're seeing that with the balloon they're floating saying, 'Let's have a commission ... like the 9/11 Commission.' ... Everyone in Washington knows that commission's being proposed so that there would be no serious criminal investigation or prosecution."