hey DU?remember when hillary was going to be VP

[SwampG8r]

and nothing was going to change it?
remember how it was a done deal and we all needed to "get over it"?

so .......tell me again how she being SoS is a "done deal"?

[polichick]

1. Yep - it was A LOCK!

[SwampG8r]

2. the same people saying the same stuff

hopefully with the same results!

[muriel_volestrangler]

18. Links, please?

[SwampG8r]

28. heres links

[muriel_volestrangler]

46. So you admit you've got nothing about this?

You're just making it up?

Thanks for the time waste.

[JVS]

33. use the google du function and put in Unity Ticket

[muriel_volestrangler]

43. No, I mean to real world reporters

like the real world reporters who say Hillary has been offered the SOS job.

[SwampG8r]

44. name a name in the obama camp who has said that?

[muriel_volestrangler]

50. Real world reporters aren't 'in the Obama camp'

and yes, they (and that is many of them) say "spokesmen" or similar. But if you pretended that some DUers talking about what they expected to happen has equal credibility to the massed media of several countries quoting the Obama campaign, you would be a waste of space here.

[Sebastian Doyle]

71. Politico is no more "real world" than Newsmax or World Nut Daily

Except that they're tools of the DLC rather than the extremist right.

[muriel_volestrangler]

77. No; The Guardian, LA Times, Globe and Mail, NYT, NPR, Washington Post

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/17/hillary-clinton-secretary-of-state
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-ed-clinton28-2008nov28,0,1298280.story
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20081125.ECLINTON25/TPStory/Comment
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/us/politics/23hillary.html?bl&ex=1227589200&en=17a6020edb96eb41&ei=5087%0A
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97350108
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/22/AR2008112201999.html

[Sebastian Doyle]

82. And not one of those papers can get an actual human being on record as a source

That should tell you something.

[JVS]

3. Yeah. That was a good time.

[SwampG8r]

4. its deja vu

all over again

[JVS]

7. Could this be the last of 2008's epic battles?

After the appointment either happens or doesn't happen, will such levels of hype and conflict wash the board with strife?

[Metric System]

5. More flamebait from the same ole bunch.

[SwampG8r]

8. and who is the first on the scene with his trusty bic lighter?

[Dinger]

49. Ah, What The Fuck, Borrow My Lighter

I don't give a shit.

[yourguide]

13. riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

:eyes:

[bridgit]

118. yep...

[gravity]

6. The news was leaked from the Obama transition team this time

and they aren't denying it.

The VP slot was just all media pundits says trying to say it was the only way to save the Democratic party. It never came from the Obama team

[GarbagemanLB]

11. All the leaks are from Clinton's people! There is still a chance she won't be S.O.S.!!!!

I love the denial. :rofl:

[NYC_SKP]

68. Leaked from the Obama transition team? You have a legitimate link?

Or just what journalists say came from unnamed sources inside the camp?

Sorry to break the bad news, but journalists make shit up.

And that Obama hasn't denied it doesn't make it any more or less valid.

[Enrique]

9. no

i must have missed that. :shrug:

[muriel_volestrangler]

17. Me too

There were plenty of people here saying it ought to happen, but without any links to actual news sites rather than discussion forums, I think the OP is misremembering things.

[Captain Hilts]

10. No one official from either party verified the Veep thing. chat show and Internet blather.

Blather.

[SwampG8r]

22. what NAMED official has confirmed this?

[NYC_SKP]

69. This is identical, no official has confirmed or denied...

more blather, unless I missed a legit confirmation.

[sufrommich]

12. I predict a chorus of exploding heads here

sometime next week.

[PBS Poll-435]

14. I am going to record it and use it as a ring-tone

nt

[SwampG8r]

16. thats not much of a prediction

either way it goes heads will explode

[sufrommich]

21. I don't know,I'm very fond of Hillary,senator is OK with me,

as is SOS.

[SwampG8r]

26. me too she isnt my senator

so i have little say over her electionwise
i am no "clinton hater" i am a "clinton drama circus disgusted"
she should stay in the senate

but to the point on both sides there are elements who will not be satisfied whatever the outcome
the hillary fan club will pitch a major conniption if she isnt
the hillary unfan club will do the same if she is

i myself think we as a nation can do without the continuing saga of an american family

[AtomicKitten]

52. It's the batshit crazy drama that I have a problem with.

[cliffordu]

57. I almost want to see her as SOS so she can finally explain TUZLA for those of us

who have interest in these matters....


:~)

[jrockford]

99. Yeah.

I don't understand her partisan-like support from people who refuse to see the bad in her.

Sure, they'll counter "you refuse to see the good" - but that's a poor and pathetic justification, in that she has done "some" good.

[musicblind]

64. I agree. SOS would be nice. But Senator is nice too... I feel she will be a very POWERFUL senator if

for some unlikely reason she ends up staying in the senate. Doesn't mean I don't also think she'd be a great SOS though. :-D

[AtomicKitten]

15. It's the drama. Oh, the drama of it all. Yikes.

[SwampG8r]

19. do you get the feeling

that a lot of people are new here but not so new as some?
i think a rapture happened a lot of the passed on have returned

[AtomicKitten]

20. It's PUMA redux. They're baaaaaaaaaaaaaaack.

[Metric System]

24. You know what? I'm really sick of these kind of accusations just because there are some posters here

who like and defend Hillary. I know I voted for Obama so your smears say more about you than me.

[AtomicKitten]

27. I read here today that Clinton is the Head of State & would switch places with Obama.

Crazy PUMA talk.

[Metric System]

35. Is that PUMA talk? Really? From what I've seen, PUMAs want her to have nothing to do with an Obama

administration. There are as many Obama-voting Hillary supporters here who want her to remain in the Senate as there are those who would like to see her named SOS. We're not the Borg. And yes, what you're referring to is crazy talk, but why make out as if all of us think she'd be "the Head of State and would switch places with Obama"?

[AtomicKitten]

51. it's the same blustery talk about Clinton that as a subtex demeans Obama

[sufrommich]

53. The goal posts for what constitutes a "Puma" here have

been moved. They no longer have anything to do with actual posters who became Pumas after the primaries and now mean anybody who doesn't gleefully join in the daily DU 2 minutes of hate against a democratic senator. Those who willfully defend her against the daily spewing are now Pumas.Orwellian,to be sure.

[AtomicKitten]

58. It's batshit crazy Clinton drama 24/7, baby! Woooooo!!!

I read right here on DU that she is Head of State and that she would switch places with Obama in a year. Woo-hoo!!!

[sufrommich]

59. I'd be interested in seeing a link to the post,sounds like

satire to me. Posting "batshit crazy Clinton drama" on the internets is not a real indication of "batshit crazy Clinton drama" in the real world.Of course,if you wrap yourself up in the hyper emotional drama of anonymous posts on a forum,it may seem that way.

[AtomicKitten]

61. of course it's not the real world and thank gawd for that

[NYC_SKP]

83. Well, this was one of the them

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7931891#7931905

Others followed.

16. seceratary is just a label

her experience and judgment will cause her to rise to the top like cream. Obama, tasting the sweet flavor of this cream will want to spread this on that piece of toast we call America. He will either have her run things or voluntarily change places with here.

So SOS or POTUS all equals HOS. Dont let your HillHate blind you.

[seaglass]

67. And since we know by your last thread you believe everything you read

is would appear you're in full out melt-down mode.:rofl:

[AtomicKitten]

78. Automatic disbelief is as harmful to a democracy as blind allegiance.

And most DU'ers don't get pissy about others posting articles on DU. Only the thought sphincter police.

[polmaven]

73. Well, that certainly settles it!

A poster....ONE POSTER....wrote a post saying that Hillary "is Head of State and that she would switch places with Obama in a year." I guess that pretty much proves "batshit crazy Clinton drama 24/7"!

That right there is absolute, pure proof that any one who has EVER supported Hillary, much less continues to defend her, is PUMA all the way.

No denying it.

[AtomicKitten]

80. Why are the Clinton First horde here at DU surprised when people push back?

[polmaven]

89. You seem to be stuck

on the "push back" meme. One poster ...ONE POSTER!!!!!

Nothing to "push back" about. The posters making the most noise are those who are so disappointed that the president elect is not consulting DU before he makes any appointments.

He is making the appointments based on his own best judgment. So far, that has proven to be solid. Why some of his earliest supporters are now screaming foul is to be pondered.

[AtomicKitten]

110. Oh BS. The horde attacks anyone & everything deemed not sufficiently worshipful of Clinton.

I used to be one of the horde and know of what I speak. But I opened my eyes and got better. People here will talk about Clinton and every other politician in this forum whether some of you like it or not.

[polmaven]

112. There is a HUGE difference

between criticism and spewing hate. Grownups know the difference. Much...not all, but much...on what is still being posted here every day goes way beyond criticism, and you know it. There are still, however, may of us who recognize that while she is not perfect - after all NO ONE is perfect - Not even the president elect - Senator Clinton does not deserve the kind of vitriol that is posted about her, and will defend her when it is seen.


You certainly have the right to "talk about Clinton and every other politician in this forum", but it is apparently you who does not take well to "push back".

[AtomicKitten]

114. Regardless of what you think

it is true there is a blind spot with some people when it comes to the Clintons. I used to be just like you and I had one too. I would do exactly what you and others are doing: Deflect and accuse. But the last two years have been a real eye-opener that, quite frankly, only a blind man could miss; ironically the point.

The problem at DU is that disparity between the truth about the Clintons and the absolute denial by their posse here. The absolute denial DEMANDS asserting the truth, and that's what you don't like.

Maybe if some of you softened your position of absolute denial, the rest of us who see the Clintons like everyone else and not people that deserve special dispensation for their jackbooted politics would come to an accord. I won't hold my breath on that.

And so the dance continues. Pushback all around. People will tell the truth about the Clintons, and you (and others) will deny it vehemently and turn it into a personal attack. Rinse and repeat.

[PeaceNikki]

87. I contend that PUMA has been redefined to not at all be about Clinton

and instead be all of these assholes who do nothing but spew shit about Dems all day (the Clintons mostly but also Obama and many others).

PUMA's are now people who are OBSESSED with dividing the party and hating on Democrats every chance they get.

And, no, I don't mean criticize and question. I mean people who spread lies, call names and do whatever they can to hurt and divide the party. After all, PUMA = Party Unity My Ass.

[JVS]

92. Earlier this month you denied that PUMAs even exist. Now you seek to redefine a non-entity.

:eyes:

[PeaceNikki]

93. I contend the concept of those who piss all over "party unity" are the ones who are most likely to

throw around the term PUMA.

That's all.

[JVS]

94. Then quit throwing it around so much, you've been quite active with it lately

[PeaceNikki]

95. Um... what?

What have I been "throwing around"?

[JVS]

96. You've been calling people PUMA a lot in the last few days.

That accusation (of PUMA status) is what you've been throwing around.

[PeaceNikki]

98. I did twice in one single thread. A locked thread that was blatant flamebait

and the perfect example of what I am referring to.

So... one thread, one person = "quite active" and "throwing around"? Melodramatic much, JVS?

[JVS]

100. I'd also seen your redefinition a couple of times.

If you think that those who call other PUMA are the PUMAs, why would you go around calling people that. Especially interesting is that you didn't even think that PUMAs existed until you could shift the definition. How could that be?

[PeaceNikki]

101. Now you're just pulling shit out of your ass. Just that one thread.

It's a fucking acronym, not a god damn Webster definition, dude.

"Party Unity My Ass" applies to a lot of people who don't like the Clintons.

[JVS]

102. I'm don't catalogue what's going on here. I saw you comment here.

I had seen you comment similarly elsewhere. I knew that you had denied the existence of PUMAs before, so I brought it up.

Welcome to ignore

[PeaceNikki]

103. Awesome. I am sure I'm in good company.

:thumbsup:

[Dinger]

56. Right Again

:thumbsup:

[John Q. Citizen]

i think a "The Clintons" situation comedy about a modern connected power couple and their

foibles, their triumphs, and their pratfalls could be a hit.

Bill would always get a big laugh sneaking a burger and Hill, after drinking too much on the campaign trail getting into a spat with her hair dresser would be hilarious.

[greguganus]

55. That would be a hit! And all the rumors about them could be acted out on the show.

They could have Vince Foster in the basement, waiting for the perfect time to plant the body.
Bill could be cheating on Hillary and constantly looking for the blue dress.
Obama could move in next door and piss Bill off.
They could call it "All In The Royal Family".

[Whisp]

84. add Uncle John McCain who yells expletives at the kid

but he is held in such high regard - the parents think it's 'cute' and quite easily forgiven how that old viscious man disrespects their child.

[BzaDem]

23. Actually, no, I don't remember that, because it never happened and is a stupid analogy.

n/t

[AtomicKitten]

25. Oh BS. They insisted Clinton could overturn the primary results at the convention.

Then they insisted Clinton could TAKE the VP spot by some rules twist at the convention. Some Clinton sycophants lose their damn minds when it comes to promoting her career.

[BzaDem]

29. Who do you mean by "they"? Obama's camp?

In this case, both the Obama and Hillary camps are saying she will be SoS, with little to no argument (except of course on message boards).

[AtomicKitten]

30. "they" means Clinton sycophants at DU that get all blustery when it comes to the Clintons

Obama has not nominated ANYBODY for SoS yet. Next week. And others are being considered for SoS (Richardson, Kerry, etc.), the difference being they aren't litigating their case in the press like Clinton is.

[BzaDem]

36. Your definition of "they" is precisely why you are wrong.

In the case of the VP, "they" only applied to some people on DU, whereas now, "they" is essentially everyone off of DU.

[AtomicKitten]

39. "they" is a faction that promotes blustery talk about Clinton that demeans Obama

[atimetocome]

85. I think anyone who demeans Hillary or Bill demeans Obama. Both

of them worked hard in PA, OH and FLorida for Obama.

[sufrommich]

42. And "they "in terms of DU posts is also a pretty good

indication that some are stuck in the DU primary wars.

[polmaven]

76. As opposed to

the Clinton "sick"ophants who get all filled with hate whenever the name Clinton is mentioned?

[AtomicKitten]

79. The Clinton First crowd keep pushing and pushing & are surprised when people bush back.

[polmaven]

91. Is "push back"

a term you have just learned? You have used it at least 5 times in this thread alone! :rofl:

[11 Bravo]

104. Now it's "bush" back. I believe it has something to do with the way one combs one's pubic hair.

:shrug:

[AtomicKitten]

109. and a typo turns you into a low-hanging fruit-picker

you go, girl

[polmaven]

111. If you will open your eyes...

you will see that it was not I who picked up on the typo. But that really is a lot to ask of someone who is unable to find a way out of the primary glop.

[AtomicKitten]

115. more low-hanging fruit

deflect and accuse
rinse and repeat

[JVS]

34. That is true. People were saying that the supers would feel bad about not supporting her for VP...

since they didn't give her the main spot.

[AtomicKitten]

41. I think some people here either forget or support revisionist history.

Hell, we can't even get current events straight around this place. Oy.

[Skip Intro]

48. You're right, zlt234, it didn't happen, and it is a stupid analogy.

There was speculation about Hillary just like there was about Richardson and Biden for the VP. This SOS situation doesn't compare. The Hillary haters have blown a gasket over this SOS deal, and seem to have an ever-loosening grip on reality.

[Inuca]

31. It's different. Unfortunately n/t

[dailykoff]

32. It might have happened had he not heard from us.

So it's good to speak up.

[dailykoff]

60. Contact the transition team:

http://change.gov/page/content/contact/

[NYC_SKP]

37. I get teary when I think of what might have been....

tears of sadness?, tears of joy?, crocodile tears? Everybody gets teary!

This latest cliffhanger is more interesting than the vp thingy, I hope it turns out the way you hope it turns out...

She's a good senator for NY, as far as I know.

I live in CA now.

[SwampG8r]

38. howd that date go?

[NYC_SKP]

62. there was collateral damage...

...our two dogs got locked out of the room, still won't talk to us.


wanted to show her the thread (she's a DUer) and it was removed/deleted, by someone who doesn't get to engage often enough, IMO...

[SwampG8r]

63. i saw that too

but i saw it as the mods protecting your privacy

[AJH032]

40. No, I don't

I remember the media speculating about the possibility, but never any firm evidence that the Obama campaign was seriously considering her for the position.

[Tribetime]

45. I don't recall that at all n/t

[acmavm]

47. Damn, I thought my brother's 3 year old had a lock on being childish.

I stand corrected.

[tabbycat31]

54. I'm still a newbie

but I never thought that she would be his VP. If the tables were turned, and she was the nominee, there was a high chance of him being her VP.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

65. Hopefully

President-Elect Obama comes to his senses and gives SOS to someone else...anyone else.

[S_E_Fudd]

66. No...nt

[polichick]

70. How can we forget? "He HAS to choose her, she got 18 million votes!"

[blue_onyx]

72. No, I don't remember that

I remember there were some people that were sure it would be her but not the overwhelming number of people. There were times when many people thought the VP would for sure be Tim Kaine or Evan Bayh. People like to predict who will be picked.

You are correct, Hillary being the SOS is just speculation as of now. Most of the information regarding the entire administration isn't officially from Obama or the people on his transition team....so everything is speculation.

[wyldwolf]

74. perhaps you can link some threads showing that. I don't remember that at all?

[Jennicut]

75. I could care less either way. Why can't we let Obama make up his own mind either way?

Last time I looked he was the prez-elect and he is old enough to make up his own mind. We elected him to make the right decisions for the country. I am going to go back to eating Thanksgiving leftovers now.

[Grinchie]

81. Is Peter Paul vs. Clinton going to be settled by January 20th?

If not, maybe it would be prudent to wait nad see if Hillary is a convicted felon before offering her the SoS position.

If she had any decency, she would tell reporters that she intends to vigorously defned herself in the Peter Paul lawsuit and needs time to prepare, especially when she has to mortgage Bill's house to pay for the high priced lawyers she's going to need.

[tandem5]

86. I don't remember that - never was it a "done deal." nt

[Dj13Francis]

88. I don't remember that at all

Hillary was never going to be VP. Never for one minute was Obama EVER going to make her VP, and most people knew it. The only ones that didn't were both uninformed and suffering from wishful thinking. I believe that she is a good choice for this position though.

[BlooInBloo]

90. And Democratic Nominee, of course.

[Name removed]

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[Name removed]

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[stillcool]

105. Seems like yesterday...

Breaking News: Hillary Clinton hints at joint ticket with Obama

Sen. Hillary Clinton, who some wrote off as all but finished in the race for the Democratic nomination for president, has pulled another surprise out of the hat that we never see her wearing

With most political observers sound asleep after a long Tuesday evening that appeared to augur at least seven more weeks of possibly bitter and divisive struggle between the two Democrats until a potentially decisive Pennsylvania primary on April 22, Clinton went on some morning news programs, according to the Associated Press, and appeared to raise the possibility of a Clinton-Obama or Obama-Clinton ticket.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/03/breaking-news-h.html


June 4, 2008, 10:58 am
Should Hillary Clinton Be Vice President?

Susan Davis reports on the presidential race.

Before Sen. Barack Obama secured the nomination Tuesday night, talk was already accelerating around the prospect of taking Sen. Hillary Clinton as his running mate–a duo that has been dubbed the “Dream Ticket” by many in the Democratic Party.
------
The talk is being almost exclusively fueled by Clinton supporters. The Obama camp is keeping their cards close to the vest, saying only that Obama would like to meet with Clinton soon to discuss the months ahead. Senior Obama adviser David Axelrod told reporters late Tuesday that it was too soon to speculate about anyone being on the ticket.

Now, diehard Clintonite Lanny Davis, special counsel to former President Bill Clinton, is starting a petition drive to get Clinton on the ticket.

Clinton pal and BET founder Robert Johnson—who garnered attention earlier this year for his racially tinged criticisms of Obama—is actively lobbying for Clinton to get on the ticket.

He wrote a letter to Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina, who endorsed Obama Tuesday, asking him and other black members
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/06/04/should-hillary-clinton-be-vice-president/



Clinton backers talk up Hillary as VP
By Alex Bolton
Posted: 05/23/08 02:36 PM

A growing number of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s (D-N.Y.) most prominent supporters are calling on Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) to put her on the Democratic ticket.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), one of Clinton’s high-profile allies in the Congress, has called for Clinton to run on the ticket. She joins Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell (D), and Clinton campaign national co-chairwoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones (D-Ohio).

Despite swelling enthusiasm among Clinton backers for a so-called “dream ticket” and a report that Clinton campaign officials are discussing the possibility with Obama advisers, Obama’s supporters are wary.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/clinton-backers-talk-up-hillary-as-vp-2008-05-23.html



What Does Hillary Want?
By Karen Tumulty Thursday, May. 22, 2008
Hillary Clinton

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1808470,00.html
A graceful exit is never easy in a business as fraught with ego and ambition as presidential politics. Which is why in recent days, quiet calls have started going out to key supporters of Hillary Clinton who are showing signs of wanting to jump ship. Clinton's emissaries point out that she is no longer attacking Barack Obama, and they promise she won't start again. Allow her to ride out the last few primaries, they argue, and she won't do anything to make it difficult for her longtime allies to switch their allegiances when the time comes.

The latest round of calls was a tacit admission that while the battles aren't over, the war has been lost. It also raises the question, What will Clinton's terms of surrender turn out to be? Her husband, for one, seems to have a pretty clear idea what he thinks she should get as a consolation prize. In Bill Clinton's view, she has earned nothing short of an offer to be Obama's running mate, according to some who are close to the former President. Bill "is pushing real hard for this to happen," says a friend. Hillary is more opaque about what she might want, divulging little even to those who see and talk to her every day. "It's as plain as the nose on your face that this whole thing has shifted to a different mode," says a top Clinton strategist. "But I don't know what she wants. I don't know what she's thinking."




May 15, 2008
If Clinton Wants VP, Obama Can't Stop Her
By Bob Beckel

Does Hillary Clinton want to be the Democrats vice presidential candidate? Probably. Could she get on the ticket by dropping out before the last states vote on June 3rd? Definitely not. Does Barack Obama want her on the ticket? Absolutely not. Can he stop her if she wants it? Probably not. Why not? Super delegates are why not
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/if_clinton_wants_to_be_vp_obam.html



Pelosi To Clinton Backers: Stop Worrying About The VP

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi urged disaffected backers of Hillary Clinton to support Barack Obama's choice for vice president, even if he picks a female candidate not named Clinton.

"I don't think we should be making an issue after the primary is over about who should be vice president. That would have been up to Hillary Clinton and would have been up to Barack. And it is up to Barack," said the Speaker, when asked about the possibility. "The only one thing important right now is party unity. None of us can afford the luxury of 'my candidate doesn't win the nomination' or 'my candidate wasn't chosen as vice president, I'm taking my marbles and going home.' The future of our planet is at stake: our budget, the constitution, the safety of our troops, everything is at stake in this election."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/21/pelosi-on-veepstakes-obam_n_114041.html

[Erin Elizabeth]

108. Yep. I had a big Hillary supporter co-worker tell me with a huge

smug grin on her face that I better just "get used" to the fact that "Hill" as she called her (like they were best buds) was ALREADY CHOSEN as his VP. ANd you know why? Because he "KNEW he could not win without her!"

I said I'd eat my purse if she were the VP. I did no purse eating. I felt in my gut that Obama would not seriously consider her for VP. What I hated most was the attitude that he OWED it to her. I mean, what the fuck? Seriously, people. THat's insulting to Clinton herself.

And now it seems to be the same old tired bullshit all over again.

[Life Long Dem]

106. Fact, Obama would lose without her on the VP ticket.

:banghead: Tell you what?

On edit: Not to say we lost.

[Erin Elizabeth]

107. Oh yeah. I remember Hillary being "inevitable" as the nominee.

I remember the outrage that this little uppity upstart Obama would DARE to run against her and win primaries (I mean, who did he think he was anyway?). I remember all the "HE CAN't WIN THE BIG STATES" and "HE'LL NEVER WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION!" and then it was that he could NOT win without her as VP. And take the phrase "18 million votes" and repeat it for infinity. :eyes: And HE CAN'T CLOSE THE DEAL! GMAFB.

And now it's that he just HAS to have her as SoS, it's a DONE DEAL.

Good Lord. And people wonder why others are so tired of the bullshit drama.

[Bucky]

116. So are you predicting that Clinton will not be the Secretary of State nominee?

Or are you just predicting that she won't be confirmed?

In either case, you're wrong.

[tekisui]

117. Hell, I remember when Hillary was inevitably going to be President.