What are all the "Obama is Muslim" people gonna do when they see Obama being sworn in on the bible?

[jenmito]

Will they justify it by claiming he did it just to try to fool us into thinking he's NOT a Muslim? Will they claim it was a Koran and not a bible? Will they keep believing he's a "secret Muslim" even if he DOESN'T mandate Sharia law in his first term? Just pondering these things...

[JVS]

1. I don't know, the man has been outside of church for a long time.

Maybe he's plotting a conversion to Islam just to piss off a bunch of people. ;-)

[jenmito]

9. That WOULD be funny if he DID swear in on the Koran!

Afterall, Keith Ellison did it. Where was the outrsge there?

[davidwparker]

31. What *would* be funny is if he held it up for the camera to zoom in on it

and then say later that it was to end speculation about what it was so we can get on with the business of change. (However you define change.)

[jenmito]

35. True. But just a good close-up shot of tohe bible should do it.

But I doubt even THAT would change their minds.

[Joe Bacon]

80. It wouldn't change their minds.

Millions of brainwashed Christians insist Obama is a Muslim and nothing will change that. I've got a block of them at work who INSIST he is Muslim and was sworn in on the Koran and nothing will change their minds because their preachers or priests said that.

[jenmito]

100. Sad but probably true...

even though these same people think Obama shares the "anti-American" views of his long-time Christian pastor! Go figure!

[Larry in KC]

116. Oh, lord, no, it won't change their minds.

It will just give them another piece of ammunition, in their eyes.

"See, he not only is a Moslem, he's a cowardly and hypocritical one! If he had any guts, he'd be sworn in on his Koran, but no, he throws his own religion AND ours under the bus, so he can gain power! It's only AFTER he's got the power that the White House will become a mosque!!!111!!"

It's too easy to write like that. Yecch. Makes me nauseous.

[jwirr]

41. Keith IS muslim.

[jenmito]

43. I know. But why don't people FEAR him for being a Muslim?

[HopeFor2006]

48. Trust me... there were plenty who feared him.

I live in Keith Ellison's district and he is well liked and respected here. However, there was a lot of outrage in certain camps over his election. He has been called a terrorist, unamerican, all the usual dribble that comes from the people who support Bachmann.

[jenmito]

67. Wow...

thanks for the info. I had no idea (since I never saw ANYTHING about it on the news.)

[Crunchy Frog]

65. There was outrage. It's just that it's been subsumed by other, bigger outrages.

[jenmito]

68. Oh, ok. Well, I had no idea. That's sad.

[LiberalFighter]

90. How about if he had a Bible, a Koran and the Torah??

[Bucky]

95. If it was me, I'd swear in on a copy of the Constitution

Or maybe one my dad's old Playboys.

[LiberalFighter]

112. I go for the Constitution. It is what the our country is based on. Not the ef n Bible.

Constitution doesn't even say anything about using the Bible.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. Now they are believing he's the anti-Christ

or some such tripe. The Muslim meme is all but forgotten.

[jenmito]

13. I think they believe BOTH!

I seriously doubt the Muslim meme is all but forgotten.

[FrenchieCat]

3. They are going to close their eyes?

After all, where would we be without the blind leading the blind here in the U.S.?

[jenmito]

15. They would HAVE to if they wanted to keep believing

in the BS in the first place.

[DutchLiberal]

4. They freeaked out over both Rev. Wright AND the 'muslim' claim, so...

They were infuriated that Obama sat in a Christian church for 20 years listening to the Christian preacher Rev. Wright.... which proved he was actually a muslim who would install the sharia as soon as he would take office.

If they can believe BOTH, they'll believe anything... and cling onto it.

[jenmito]

17. I know. Some DO believe both!

Especially watchers/believers of Faux. "A terrorist fist jab?" :rofl:

[jberryhill]

52. ..and a Communist, therefore also an atheist, in addition to being Muslim and a radical Christian

Which, of course, is typical of people secretly born in Kenya or kids who lose their US citizenship in Indonesia...

Duh.

[BlooInBloo]

5. Who cares?

[jenmito]

18. I'm curious to see how they process it in their teeny tiny little minds...

it's not like I "care." I'd love to see some of these people interviewed about these things.

[Wilms]

6. .

:shrug:

[jenmito]

20. .

I didn't mean to make your head explode. :shrug:

[John Q. Citizen]

7. You don't think they will watch, do you?

[jenmito]

21. Probably not, but they'll HEAR about it or see it on the news.

[John Q. Citizen]

49. They will figure it's a ploy to fool them, but they are too smart for that, what?

[treestar]

89. Right. And they will take their information on what happened from

Rushbo. this is why they are so out there. They rely on second hand biased information.

They believe anything they want to hear, so all some pundit has to say it that it might have been a Koran.

If they do believe it is a Bible, they will just say that the Anti-Christ would naturally falsely swear on a Bible.

They'll claim he is not President, because he falsely swore on the Bible, and it had no effect!

[John Q. Citizen]

91. That's a good guess.

or some story will appear that a policeman had to move the swearing in stuff to a box and he opened it and it was really a cook book!

[CTyankee]

8. Jenmito, please rest your mind on this. I really don't think most people are that worried about it.

This election has proved that the people to whom you refer are a pretty small minority. They can't win elections. They aren't in the mix in terms of any political power any more in this country (outside of their little red state bases).

We all need to be thinking about other things now that the election is over. It is time to move on...

[jenmito]

22. I'm just curious...

I'm not losing sleep over it.

[CTyankee]

88. Yeah, I think these folks, unfortunately, will always be among us.

Perhaps I was projecting onto you some of my own political "obsessions" which is the result of our abusive relationship with the Bush administration for the last 8 years. I'm trying to come out of this and into a better place...

:hi:

[jenmito]

96. I think so, too...

No problem. I sympathize with you. :hi:

[valerief]

10. I wanna see him with his hand on the Constitution! nt

[laconicsax]

I'll second that.

:thumbsup:

[Dragonfli]

11. What they always do - claim it was a Koran, repeat , repeat, repeat

Never once admitting (even if there are pictures) that a bible was used.

They still claim the Koran nonsense about his fictitious "swearing in" after bing elected to the Senate.

It will go email viral and will become an urban legend to be repeated by even more mouth-breeders.

[jenmito]

23. They probably will!

It's too bad some people choose to remain so ignorant.

[mwb970]

83. Mouth-breeders? /nt

[NewJeffCT]

86. You've got it

They won't care about things like facts and reality.

[Fearless]

12. I'm pretty sure they'd all blow up if he...

Suggested using neither because of separation of Church and State.

[jenmito]

25. Is that allowed? Aren't they allowed to "affirm" rather than "swear"? n/t

[Fearless]

51. He could swear on the Constitution...

That would seem to have a BIT more validity to the job. But I won't hold my breath.

:eyes:

[kestrel91316]

14. I'd prefer that all our officials swear on a copy of the Constitution,

but that's just me.

[DutchLiberal]

24. Yeah, didn't you have something like 'seperation of church and state'?

I remember reading something about that...

[kestrel91316]

55. In our dreams, apparently (and in the fevered brains of Jefferson

and the other Founding Fathers, lol).

The fundies would have you believe that the Bible is the law of our land with the Constitution to be interpreted strictly in light of the Bible.

[DutchLiberal]

92. I remember Bush saying something of that extent...

(Can't find it anywhere, though... Must've been my imagination...)

[jenmito]

27. That SHOULD be how it's done. n/t

[Arctic Dave]

16. I want him to swear in on the National Enquirer.

[TexasObserver]

19. Oh, Jenmito! They're going to say it's really the Koran!

[jenmito]

26. That's a very real possibility.

[TexasObserver]

37. Remember the "Whitey" comment they contrived from "Why'd he?"

Their capacity to fabricate is limitless.

There will be an email that claims he was sworn on the Koran, and it will be making the rounds within three days of the inauguration.

I could be wrong, but you know how bad they are!

[jenmito]

44. Yup...

I also remember how they prayed that the "Whitey tape" would've come out before the election to ruin his chances. Yes, they ARE bad...and stupid.

[Crunchy Frog]

66. Hell, there were posters here who were absolutely certain the "whitey tape"

was going to come out before the election. I wonder what they have to say about it now. :shrug:

[jenmito]

69. Posters HERE?

I'm glad I missed it.

[Crunchy Frog]

72. Yes, here. Some of the worst and most persistent ones were banned

but many of them survived.

[jenmito]

73. Do you think they were really freepers? n/t

[Crunchy Frog]

77. Most of them not. Just people who got so caught up in the primaries

that they completely lost all perspective.

[jenmito]

78. Oh, ok. Well, I can't believe they're still here! Do you remember who they are

and are they fully supporting Obama?

[Crunchy Frog]

113. I honestly can't remember names or specific details.

If you wanted to, you could do a search for threads with the word "whitey" in them. For me, this is the sort of thing where I'd prefer to just repress the memory. :)

[TankLV]

28. He's not a "citizen"...

He's:

Kenyan
Hawaiian (not part of the US)
Indonesian

They'll have a few more just in case the others don't pan out...!

[jenmito]

33. I know...

it's kind of fun reading the freepers' site with all of their pathetic threads about how he's not a citizen for all those reasons and more. Hope springs eternal with them that he'll be "found out" in about a week by the Supreme Court or by some guy who keeps claiming he has proof that he was born in Kenya. :rofl:

[SoxFan]

29. Don't worry. They will all be in the secret detention camps by January.

[jenmito]

36. That would be GREAT! n/t

[ChairmanAgnostic]

30. call him a liar and a cheat.

The conservative sect of the regional GOP has absolutely no clue what honesty, integrity or scruples are. They only know how to attack. Actually, they prefer the role of instigator and perverter of our political system. Hell, they proved that they can't govern worth a damn.

[jenmito]

39. Yeah, but if he makes their lives better

with his policies, I wonder if they will stop with their nonsense. Probably not.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

50. I hope it does spill over and improve their lives.

frankly, I wish the greatest success for his entire administration, and yet I know he will make mistakes, maybe even a big one or two. Everyone does, and every single president has in the past.

[Kaleva]

32. I'd be more worried about the radical Muslims

who may believe Obama is by birth a Muslim because his father is one.

[jenmito]

42. But there was a Muslim on Faux one day saying it's not true that you're

automatically a Muslim if your father is one, and that you have to accept Mohammad as the true Apostate (or something like that).

[Kaleva]

54. That , I believe, depends on the sect.

[Kaleva]

56. Mortad

Did some quick bouncing around on the internet and saw some comments by Muslims who consider Obama not a Muslim but a "Mortad".

"Mortad, a description of someone who has committed apostasy by leaving Islam."

Looked up "apostasy" as it pertains to Islam on Wikipedia:

"The four major Sunni and the one major Shia Madh'hab (schools of Islamic jurisprudence) agree that a sane adult male apostate must be executed."

[Posteritatis]

34. Some of them will claim he used a Qu'ran; others will believe that. (nt)

[jenmito]

45. I agree.

[nevergiveup]

38. Maybe

he could just be sworn in placing his hand on a basketball. Isn't it true that he would rather play basketball than go to church? :sarcasm:

[jenmito]

46. Yeah...

that's RIGHT! There is a poster here that was upset about that. :rofl:

[eleny]

40. Refuse to believe it was really a bible

[jenmito]

47. I agree.

[codjh9]

53. Some won't watch; some won't believe it; and some ... I wish they'd have a 'premature rapture',

shall I say? :^)

[quakerboy]

57. Yes, Yes. Yes.

Those were some darn easy questions to answer. Lets do another one?

[jenmito]

74. OK...

Do you think these same people will vote for him in 4 years if he makes their lives better?

[quakerboy]

81. Honestly?

Those who are involved in the "hes a secret Muslim" group? No. If he as president made the Southern Baptists the sole and complete ruler of the new "Christian USA" theocracy and stepped down as president in favor of Dobson, they would find a way to twist that as part of his secret Muslim agenda.

Now... I doubt that those people are a majority of even the people who voted for McCain. Maybe %30 percent of the total McCain voters. Still a ridiculous number of people lost in paranoia, I admit.

I expect If Obama Does Very well and public perception is that he has fixed the big problems facing the nation, he may pick up a few points, 5 at the most, in 2012. I do not think that we will see anyone top 60% in my lifetime, no matter how well or poorly a president/party does at governing.

[jenmito]

93. You're probably right...

Very thorough answer. Yeah, the hardcore ignorant ones will ALWAYS find a way to justify their prejudice.

And some of the McCain voters probably only went out to vote because PALIN inspired them, and that's scary since she stoked the "terrorist" flames to turn even MORE people against Obama.

Yeah, it will be hard or even impossible for even the most successful president to win with 60% or more due to the differing "values" of people.

[ShadowLiberal]

58. Claim Obama was sworn in with a Koran that had a bible cover to fool people of course!

It all makes sense, how else could the president hide the fact that he's a secret Muslim!

He probably cut the cover off of a bible himself, and just glued it onto the cover of his Koran!

[jenmito]

76. Yeah, sadly, that's possible...

especially since they've already proven how stupid they are with their belief that Obama's both a secret Muslim and a Christian with a crazy, un-American Reverend.

[Arkana]

59. They'll just go "GARGOYLES! BLASPHEMY! HE'S NOT A CHRISTIAAAANNNNNN!!!"

like the God Warrior woman.

[Monk06]

60. Uh, they'll do this ......

[mahina]

61. Cognitive dissonance is a bitch. They will block it out.

[Tribetime]

62. I think the latest Al Qaeda video calling him a Cristian helped smother

those A-holes including my relatives.

[Bucky]

98. You think he should be sworn in holding his had on an al-Qaeda video?

VHS or DVD?

[Tribetime]

107. how bout the constitution n/t

[ashling]

63. Won't Happen

when they see Obama being sworn in on the bible?

I say this with all due respect, but you don't seem to get it.

He could be sworn in on a giant potato chip with the likeness of haysoos (officially certified by E-bay AND Sarah Goddamned Palin) and they'd still see a Koran.

:rofl:

[Crunchy Frog]

64. They'll insist that he was really sworn in on the Koran.

Just like they still insist he was sworn in for his Senate seat on the Koran. Empirical reality means absolutely nothing to these people.

[Dinger]

70. They'll Short Circuit, or

something like it anyway.

[bridgit]

71. While this is still America, all presidents should be made to swear on a vintage, mint condition...

Iron Man

[mitchum]

75. They'll swear it's a copy of "Soledad Brother" or "Soul On Ice" in fancy binding

[Warren DeMontague]

79. Find some other completely meaningless piece of bullshit to get worked up over, I suspect. nt

[lamp_shade]

82. Most were eaten alive, but there still remains a large handful of "closet freepers"

here at DU. If you read carefully, you can spot them. I anxiously await the day they "come out" and start openly spewing their claims that "he fooled us".

[happychatter]

84. the facts have never effected their judgment - nt

[MrSlayer]

85. They are going to continue to believe he is a "secret" Muslim.

And they will continue to marvel over the fact that he is President even though he has no birth certificate proving his citizenship.

[nickinSTL]

87. umm...nothing?

Actually, I believe that most of the people who believe he is a Muslim have no idea what that really means. It's just a slur that they parrot. They know that Muslims are "bad", they might know that the 9-11 hijackers were Muslim, but...they don't really know what it means.

[jenmito]

99. I think the Bush administration helped put those ideas in their minds...

afterall, he attacked Iraq which had nothing to do with those who attacked us on 9/11. They were both Muslim countries, and Bush himself didn't know the difference between Sunni and Shia. And with the help of Hannity, Limbaugh, etc., these people have "powerful" people backing up or forming their ignorant beliefs.

[AtomicKitten]

94. He should be sworn in on "Moby Dick" and screw with everyone's minds.

Besides, he's not a Muslim. As far as I know.

:hi:

[Bucky]

97. a great American classic. Or, if he wants to use an American Bible: the Book of Mormon

It would probably be less controversial in the long run from that other "American" Bible, the Jefferson Bible.

[EFerrari]

103. That's what they used in Fried Green Tomatoes to avoid perjury.

I think the minister was providing a fake alibi for someone accused of murder. :)

[AtomicKitten]

106. good eye - that's exactly where I got the reference

:fistbump:

[jenmito]

101. That would be funny...

and so is your last comment. :D :hi:

[AtomicKitten]

104. heehee

You have a great day, Jen. I'm taking Seven to the beach. Just drinking enough coffee now to reach my maximum heart rate.

:fistbump:

[jenmito]

108. Thanks, AK...

You, too. Who's Seven? I know George Costanza thought of the name "Seven" for a child he may someday have. Enjoy your day!
:toast:

[AtomicKitten]

109. Bingo! My dog's name thanks to George Costanza!

[jenmito]

110. I love it!

Another Seinfeld fan! :)

[slackmaster]

102. They'll say "Obama is an apostate Muslim"

:shrug:

[JerseygirlCT]

105. They'll claim it was a Koran. They need no tether to the truth

they need only their stories.

If the truth had any hold on them at all, they'd have abandoned their Obama is a secret Muslim meme a long time ago.

[Jennicut]

111. They will be mad that it wasn't King James's version

[yellowcanine]

114. They will demand that the WH produce the "vault copy" of the Bible.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

115. They will simply move on to some other bit of nonsense and possibly forget the last one.

Cognitive dissonance is no problem whatsoever for these folks.