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Sun Nov-30-08 02:16 PM
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No way is Jindal running in 2012. |
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No way no how. It'll look gimmicky (GOP trotting a minority out there to 'counteract' Obama--see Keyes in '04), and it's usually an uphill battle ousting a sitting president anyway (Obama will have the best reelection team on the planet). I highly doubt Jindal runs in '12.
2016 may be tough too, though, especially if Hillary is running, and the electorate is displaying signs of "minority fatigue" after 8 years of an Obama presidency (the odds of having back to back minority presidents is probably low).
At 37, Jindal still has all the time in the world. I don't see a run for many years.
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Sun Nov-30-08 02:18 PM
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1. He's gonna need speech lessons, a voice coach, new ideas, and a more forceful persona. |
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That's gonna take years.
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Sun Nov-30-08 02:22 PM
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4. Right! There's something creepy about him (and I'm NOT a racist!). |
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Something similar to the tattle-tale who'll rat people out for his/her own advantage.
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Sun Nov-30-08 02:25 PM
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6. How about the fact that he believes in exorcism? |
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Sun Nov-30-08 02:28 PM
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8. Must be a suggestible personality type - Supersititon is Not Good! nt |
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Sun Nov-30-08 02:35 PM
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11. Its problematic since we dems dont use the oppositions negatives |
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Sun Nov-30-08 03:01 PM
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15. He looks severely undernourished. Other than that, he's fine. nt |
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Sun Nov-30-08 02:25 PM
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7. And grow a few inches (he's only 5'8) |
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Is Hillary in heels taller than him lmao?
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Sun Nov-30-08 10:50 PM
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25. yeah, because short people can't possibly be competent... |
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I know you might not be saying that - and it would be hard for a short guy to get elected - precisely because of stupid prejudices against shortness, which are rampant in our society.
I just find the idea that someone should not be considered a legitimate candidate because of their height absurd and wrong. Despite the fact that short people (men in particular) are discriminated against in business and politics - height is absolutely no indicator of competence.
There's plenty wrong with Jindal without bringing up his height.
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Mon Dec-01-08 12:25 AM
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27. And yet it is political reality |
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I dont remember where I saw the statistic, but the taller person has won huge amounts of Presidential and congressional and gubernatorial races.
Sad really.
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Mon Dec-01-08 01:06 AM
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And us shorties look younger, longer and have better health as a result (heart doesn't have to work as hard - if we're not overly fat - lungs don't have to work as hard).
I love being short. I'm older than my husband, but people think he's much older than me.
And, I'm competent and cute. :p
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Mon Dec-01-08 10:18 PM
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Maybe that's why people always think I'm younger than I am :D - I'm only 5'6"
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Tue Dec-02-08 12:24 AM
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35. I guess you've never seen Danny Devito...!!! |
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So much for unfounded generalizations...
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Sun Nov-30-08 02:20 PM
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2. 2016 is when he should do it |
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Hillary's fate is tied mostly to Obama's at this point.
But even if Obama is stunningly successful a couple of what-ifs:
What if Mark Warner decides now is the time he wants to run? He'd be fairly tough to beat, even by Hillary.
Can Hillary have a flawless 4-6 years as SOS? What if she makes a mistake or more likely there is friction between her and Obama?
I think Jindal would do best to seed the ground pretending like he is going to run and then announcing that he wont letting someone else be a sacrificial lamb to Obama mark two and then come out as the anti hillary in 2016.
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Sun Nov-30-08 02:21 PM
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3. I would think, if Obama is doing well, they will throw a name out.. I don't think |
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anyone would want to go up against a popular President.. Now on the state and local level they will be trying to get in on controversial issues... so, they can keep their hands on the till and rebuild a party.
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Sun Nov-30-08 02:24 PM
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5. Look gimmicky??? When did that ever stop the GOP??? nt |
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Sun Nov-30-08 03:38 PM
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19. Yeah, I would think that would be a PLUS for him. LOL NT |
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Sun Nov-30-08 06:05 PM
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24. Like picking Palin wasn't gimmicky |
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and an obviously ploy to get Hillary supporters.
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Tue Dec-02-08 12:25 AM
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36. Not "gimmicky" - MAVERICKY!!! |
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Sun Nov-30-08 02:32 PM
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9. Jindal is a bright man but he serves a wicked political agenda. |
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I think we can hammer him on his alignment with the very issues voters in 08 understood and rejected.
I think the GOP fat-cat corporate cadre is more likely to go for someone like Romney than someone like Jindal.
I think the nutbag apocalypse-now End Times fundies are more likely to go for someone like Huck or Palin than someone like Jindal.
I think the few remaining "moderate" Chuck Percy / John Danforth -type Republican voters are likely to be somewhat-to-very off-put by someone like Jindal. These are Rob Portman voters or John Thune voters, but IMO not Bobby Jindal voters.
There was report of Jindal making a few of these very-early visits to Iowa, not coincidentally the site of the first presidential caucuses in 2012, but unless I've 'misunderestimated' him, I'm not seeing Jindal enthralling the electorate.
I think Huckabee and Romney are already-entrenched contenders with significant existing support and (especially in Romney's case) some serious cash to reinforce their position.
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Sun Nov-30-08 03:29 PM
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16. Yep on all accounts, Jindal is their PATHETIC ... |
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dim witted way of trying to earn some "see, we have a dark skinned one we like, too" cred ...
When it comes time to actually make a call, it is going to be a white dude, the older and faker the better - Mittens it is, IMO.
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Sun Nov-30-08 03:33 PM
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17. Money-bags Romney and Mike "My son tortures dogs" Huckabee. |
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A charming duo if there ever was one, but at the moment, they look like the front-runners for the GOP 2012 nom.
The Republican Party, IMO, should disband and start fresh, using the Lincoln model.
I don't think the Nixon / Reagan / Bush / Bush model has worked out very well for them.
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Sun Nov-30-08 02:34 PM
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10. Palin was gimmicky,it didn't even slow them down. |
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I don't know that it will or won't be Jindal,but gimmicks is all they have. I also think Hillary has made her last run for the presidency.
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Sun Nov-30-08 02:48 PM
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12. The Republicans don't have anyone to run period |
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The GOP doesn't have any leaders anymore and has ran out of fresh ideas.
Jindal could be the nominee just because they don't have anyone better.
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Sun Nov-30-08 02:57 PM
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13. Worst yet for people like Jindal (and Palin) is how they'd be viewed as inexperienced |
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I mean really, lets assume the worst for a second, and assume Obama messes up everything he touches. Now after seeing someone who was very inexperienced and a 'change' candidate do this, would America really elect another inexperienced person running on some kind of change message, or claiming to have experience but having nothing to back it up?
In like say 8 years though, regardless of what happens with Obama as president, I do think Jindal could be a more long term threat to us however. What do you want to bet that he runs for the senate in 2014.
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Sun Nov-30-08 03:01 PM
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14. I don't think he will because I think he's too smart to go up against.. |
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Obama., He'll let a dumb ass like Palin do it.
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Sun Nov-30-08 03:36 PM
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The Republicans are smoking crack. They have no clue why Obama is so popular. They think if they put a person of color out there, they'll have the same results as the Democrats did this year. Jindal is certainly no Obama. Not by a long shot. It's truly stunning how many conservatives are completely out of touch with reality. It's mindboggling, actually.
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Tue Dec-02-08 12:30 AM
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37. The goopers are SOOO fucking CLUELESS! |
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They just can't look past anything but the COSMETICS!
They thought they could fool us with a second-rate Actor, and an AWOL crack head drunk AWOL FAILURE with a "name" - so now they think all they have to do is another "fake".
Hillary a WOMAN - well - we've got one too - just hope noone notices she's DUMBER THAN ROCKS!
Obama a Minority with a funny name and dark skin? - No problemo - we've got one of "them" too!
Only America has finally GROWN UP and MATURED and is leaving these IDIOTS behind in the dustbin of history - a "bad time" in history too boot!
they. will. never. learn.
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Sun Nov-30-08 03:39 PM
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20. LOL, "Minority Fatigue?" Wouldn't that also hurt Hillary's chances in some way? |
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Or is it just a skin color thing?
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Sun Nov-30-08 03:41 PM
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21. And it's not JUST about him being a minority, it's the.. |
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Edited on Sun Nov-30-08 03:41 PM by Clio the Leo
.... ears! http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Louisiana+Governor+Bobby+Jindal+Speaks+Washington+MhB5xpbt52Wl.jpgOf course OUR giant ears are about 10,000 times better in every regard than THEIR giant ears... (ours have a giant brain in between them)
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Sun Nov-30-08 04:02 PM
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22. No one who wants the presidency will run in 2012. |
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Jindal is young and realizes if he loses in 2012, he's done.
So he'll sit it out and run in 2016.
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she will win the repub nomination, and then she will lose spectacularly.
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Sun Nov-30-08 11:43 PM
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26. We'll see Jindal on the national stage by 2020 for sure. |
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Crist too, for that matter.
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Mon Dec-01-08 12:58 AM
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28. No abortion even to save the life of the mother. Makes the Pope look like a liberal. |
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See Jindal Run. Run Jindal Run. Run Run Run.
Apologies to Dick and Jane
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Mon Dec-01-08 03:16 AM
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30. Jindall will seem their logical choice. So, wouldn't be out of the question just wouldn't get the> |
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Edited on Mon Dec-01-08 03:20 AM by cooolandrew
nomination. I think they would give Romney a shot out of all the potential candidates. It wouldn't even surprise me if they ran McCain again he ran reasonably close with and without Palin for a guy his age.
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Mon Dec-01-08 10:19 AM
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31. "minority fatigue"???? What's up with that? Over 200 years of white male presidents and we are |
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going to have "minority fatigue" after 8 years of an African American president???? What a silly thing to suggest.
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Mon Dec-01-08 10:21 AM
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32. Apparently the electorate had "Clinton fatigue" |
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after 8 years of friggin prosperity. Anything can happen, no matter how dumb and illogical.
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Mon Dec-01-08 10:19 PM
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34. I didn't have Clinton fatigue when Bill was in office. |
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I got the ol' Clinton Fatigue after this past primary season. And it keeps relapsing every so often. Sigh.
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Tue Dec-02-08 12:32 AM
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38. not "us" - but the REPUKES will!!! |
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they already have it NOW!!!
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Tue Dec-02-08 01:09 AM
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39. How many of us took Obama seriously 4 - or better yet - 8 years ago? |
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I agree with the general consensus that I think is being expressed here (that Jindal isn't what I'd call someone of presidential caliber), but there were only a few behind Obama only a few years ago...
I'm not backing Jindal up, but... I do think that he could prove to be more of a formidable entity in 4 - or 8 years - than would be wise to dismiss. I don't agree with the guy and I don't like his politics, but I think he has more on the ball than I'm comfortable with.
Unless the odd witchcraft stuff is on video and is something he doesn't refute but defends, I think he's a lot more of an adversary than.. (cough - laugh - cough - choke) Palin... he can actually speak in complete sentences. If nothing else, that makes him light years ahead of the Abysmal Arctic (pseudo) Amazon. ...and did seem to show some leadership ability regarding the hurricane situation, but I didn't pay enough attention to his actions in particular to say anything more specific on that, regard him in particular.
I could be wrong, but I'd much rather they keep Palin in the forefront and hype her as their mascot than Jindal...
He's an R, but I don't think he's all that stupid - therefore, I think he's much more of a potential "threat" if such a thing can be considered from the GOP at this point - than Palin, who is a farce. Yes, she rallies huge crowds, half of which I'm sure show up for no other reason but silent ridicule. I would go see her for that reason, only... (but I'd have to think about it). I think many people do see her - not unlike the two headed (whatever) at the county fair...
Just a thought (or three)
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Tue Dec-02-08 08:01 AM
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40. I was accosted by a right winger at the gas pump after the election |
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He was pissed about my bumper stickers. I told him that if Sarah Palin was the future of the Republican Party he might want to consider leaving the country with Stephen Baldwin. His reply was he like Palin and she was a damn sight better than "that Jindal guy". He said there was no damn way that the Republican Party would elect Jindal because he was "even more of a foreigner than Obama".
I wouldn't worry too much about Jindal.
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Tue Dec-02-08 09:41 AM
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A huge bloc of the Republican base, won't vote for the guy in primaries or a general election. Not because they don't want to, because they will actually not be able to.
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Tue Dec-02-08 09:54 AM
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I don't know what Bobby Jindal's intentions are. He may run. It doesn't seem all that much of a gimmick if he runs. However, I am not sure how much support he will garner from other republicans. Their base is very resistant to change and race. The simple fact of the matter is that if Barack Obama were John Edwards (minus the sex scandal) he would have garnered near 60 percent of the vote.
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