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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:14 PM
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My Obama/Warren Rant. One Gay Man's Perspective.
Obama didn't run as the LGBT candidate, but as the people's candidate, which includes lesbians and gays, but also right-wing bigots like Warren. Obama reached out to both spectrum's of the political field, because he believes, as I do, that if you want to change hearts and minds, reaching out to them instead of making them the mortal enemy is the better route to go.

With George W Bush it was black and white - either you are for us or you are against us - and how'd that work out? Not very well from what I can see. Bush divided the country and the world. On civil issues, like gay rights, Bush may gays and lesbians the enemy, the wedge issue. In fact, Dumbya was able to enjoy being a two term president largely by making gays and lesbians the enemy to "families" and "traditional values." He scared people, ie: "the gays are coming! the gays are coming!" He scared people into thinking those "San Francisco values" people are gonna come and make your little children watch gay porn in first grade. It worked. The evangelical hatemongers came out in droves for him. And the did so not because they cared about the economy, or the war...but because they were scared to death of "the gays."

A great man once said "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself." George W Bush used fear to divide and conquer. I am glad Obama has taken a different path.

While I am not happy or approving of Rick Warren being invited to give a prayer at Obama's inauguration, I refuse to let it ruin my day or dash my hopes for the future. I refuse to give Rick Warren and people like him that much power over my life.

I am a gay man. I am a proud gay man, and I an a strong gay man. I also think I'm pretty smart and a fair judge of character. I can usually tell when someone is bullshitting me. Obama reached out to me and asked for my vote. I gave it to him because I believe in his sincerity, and I believe he is intent on carrying through on his promises. Sure, I could be wrong, but inviting Rick Warren to give some silly prayer is not enough to destroy the hope I have.

I have been largely slammed and ridiculed by those who feel that I should be as angry as they are, and that because they believe Obama has "betrayed" us, or "dismissed" us, I should lose all hope for the future. So be it.

I do not feel betrayed and I will NOT lose my hope for the future! This may make me an outcast in my own community but of that I have no control.

When Obama is sworn in as the next President of the United States of America I will celebrate, and I will be proud!

I am not a "cultist" nor do I believe Obama is the "Messiah," two things I have been accused of right here on this board, which I find ironic considering that is the exact charge Reich-wingers leveled at all Democrats during the election....and still do by the way.

Call me naive, or stupid, if you must, but I have the same hope that I had when Bill Clinton was first elected president in 1992. Bill Clinton reached out to the LGBT community way back then, and as president he did at least try to implement positive changes for the LGBT community. Unfortunately, he wasn't very successful but at least he tried. And I have always admired him for trying. Did I feel "betrayed" over DADT and DOMA, yes, especially DOMA, but that didn't lead me to turn my back on Clinton.

Gay marriage is very important to most gay Americans, myself included, but for me, it's not the only issue that matters.

Also important to me is that gays and lesbians should have the right to adopt children, that gays and lesbians should be free from job discrimination, that hate crimes based on sexual orientation should be included in federal hate crimes laws, that HIV/AIDS prevention, treatment and research should be fully supported by the federal government and that quality of life for those living with HIV/AIDS should be available to everyone who needs them.

I want the Family and Medical Leave Act to cover domestic partners and their children and for the Social Security System to pay survivor benefits to the same‐sex partners of gay and lesbian people.

I want the INS to treat the relationships between opposite and same-sex couples in the same manner and see the Uniting American Families Act, which would enable an American citizen to petition for immigration sponsorship for a same-sex partner, passed.

I want to see the repeal of the "Donʹt Ask, Donʹt Tell" policy, and the "Defense of Marriage Act."

All of these things Obama supports. And that is why I have faith in Obama and hope for the future.

Rick Warren is not the only, or even the number one enemy of the gay community. By concentrating all our energy on him we lose sight of the big picture. We become distracted.

And by fighting with each other and blaming each other we become divided. When that happens, the Rick Warrens of the world win.

Thank you for hearing me out.




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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:17 PM
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1. Absolutely he ran as the president of all the people of the U.S., however, think about this....
Edited on Fri Dec-19-08 03:18 PM by Sarah Ibarruri
What if a president-elect had a Communist speaking on inauguration day? Or what if he had a KKK member speaking on inauguration day? He would still be their president wouldn't he? Would he embrace people like that the way he embraced someone who hates gays and believes they don't deserve civil rights?

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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:20 PM
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3. Aw Jeee-zus You guys are just full of it.
Go ahead and answer your own question. What if? Hunh? What if?

Jeeez you guys are hurting yourselves with all this ridiculous outrage.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:22 PM
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4. So if it's a racist it's not okay, but if it's someone anti-gay it's okay? Be specific nt
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:31 PM
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8. The Majority of Americans don't yet agree with the goals of Gay Americans....
and it appears that this majority has a vote (when they shouldn't)
on the rights of the minority (see Prop 8).

Some believe that the way to achieve human rights for all Americans,
is to persuade more of the majority to join in the ranks of those who support Gay rights.

Your examples deals with a "What ifs" using as examples members of non relevant minorities (Communists and KKK Members)....who do not have the same kind of impact at all....
and in so doing, your post misses the point.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 09:34 PM
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27. The majority of Americans did not approve of interracial marriage until the 90s
That was 20-30 years after it was declared legal in Loving vs. Virginia.
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:47 PM
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14. He's having a preacher say a prayer.
Life goes on.


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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 04:28 PM
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16. He's having a hate-filled bigot say a prayer. nt
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 10:54 AM
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33. Yep...he's having a hate-filled bigot say a prayer
And life still goes on.



got a question, though...


if, for example, another 9/11 type attack were to happen in this country a few days, weeks, or months after the inauguration, how much will that 2 minute prayer given by a hate-filled bigot matter to people?

Be honest...




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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:18 PM
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2. He didn't run on the platform of giving RW bigots a bigger voice.
Edited on Fri Dec-19-08 03:19 PM by Harvey Korman
If he had, many, including myself, would never have voted for him.
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 04:02 PM
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15. He's saying a prayer
not giving the Gettysburg Address.

Nor is he going to give a sermon on the evils of homosexuality. He'll probably say God bless America and Obama, blah, blah, blah, and then go sit down.

The one and only speaker that really counts on inauguration day is Barack Obama, nobody else.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 05:02 PM
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21. There is not a blue America, there is not a red America,
there is the United States of America.

Where did I hear that?
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 09:35 PM
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28. Apparently there is a gay America and a straight America
The first of these does not deserve civil rights.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 11:56 AM
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37. Yeah, I can see your point...
How much better it would have been to vote for McCain/Palin instead, I mean.

Or not voting at all, meaning that McCain/Palin would win by default


then instead of just listening to a hate-filled bigot for 2 whole minutes, we'd probably be dealing with the reality of having to live with hate and bigotry for another 4 years, and probably longer if McCain died and Palin became President and decided to appoint another Scalia or Thomas to the SCOTUS if one of the other justices died or retired or something....

I suppose that makes a lot of sense in some alternate universe...


:+

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beaglelover Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:23 PM
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5. Excellent Post ObamaVision!
As a fellow gay man, I agree with you 100%.
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 07:38 PM
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22. Thank you!
and welcome to DU!
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:26 PM
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6. Awesome post.
Bless you ObamaVision. I hope all your wishes come true soon.
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Left coast liberal Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:31 PM
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7. Thank you so much
this is the best post I had read on this issue.

I agree 100%.

Let's keep our eyes on the prize people. Don't let Warren win by breaking up or resolve.

Peace
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:33 PM
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9. Great Post. rec'd n/t
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:34 PM
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10. Great post! Thanks for not being part of the circular firing squad!!! K&R
Edited on Fri Dec-19-08 03:35 PM by HamdenRice
It's great to see more grown-ups appearing today!
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:41 PM
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11. I agree 100%
Edited on Fri Dec-19-08 03:43 PM by fiziwig
I said the same basic thing in another thread and got attacked and demonized and called a whole bunch of nasty names. That is no way to win friends and influence people. Alienating people who support the cause of gay rights, but disagree on tactical issues doesn't strengthen the cause, it weakens it.

It's the end result that matters, and I think we are all pretty much in agreement about the end result we'd like to see: Equal rights to marriage, and adoption, and the same legal rights as any married couple. I don't see anyone arguing against those rights. I certainly strongly support them.

Yet if a poster does not display sufficient "outrage" over Warren, that poster is branded a traitor to the cause and vilified. Nice way to win hearts and minds.

But perhaps outrage is its own reward, and end results take a back seat to the instant gratification that outrage brings.

I will continue to support the cause, even if some of the people who share my support, call me names and insult me. It is the end result that really matters to me. I can shrug off the insults and hatred directed at me for my failure to be outraged enough to earn my gay-friendly street cred.

"Hatred paralyzes life; love releases it. Hatred confuses life; love harmonizes it. Hatred darkens life; love illuminates it." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:42 PM
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12. Oooh, recommend-fest incoming!
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S_E_Fudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:43 PM
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13. Is that a problem?...nt
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 04:35 PM
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18. yeah....
They love it when we bow and scrape and dismiss every outrage. They tear up at the House Dorothy posts.
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 04:56 PM
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20. "House Dorothy?"
Is that the gay version of "house negro?" And who are "they?"
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 10:20 PM
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29. When you find out, can you let the rest of us know?
House Dorothy?

LORD, have mercy. This is getting wilder and more ridiculous by the damn second.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 04:32 PM
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17. Pull!

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 04:44 PM
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19. My problem with Warren isn't limited to his gay bashing

His gay bashing is symptom of a wide spread rampant anti intellectualism.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 07:39 PM
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23. BREAKING: Prop 8 supporters seek to nullify 18,000 marriages
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 11:30 AM
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35. That makes them look petty and vindictive.
Hey! They ARE petty and vindictive!

--IMM
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 07:40 PM
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24. Thats what I am talking about!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 07:52 PM
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25. Yeah, rick warren sucks and he
looks like the fucking devil personified.

I'm hoping some worthwhile progress comes from warren being asked to give the invocation at the Inaugeration. Sometimes something like this needs to happen before real shake up is possible.

He and his minions & the Morman Church need to be shoved back into their religious cubicles and leave the rest of us the fuck alone or suffer the consequences.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 08:02 PM
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26. OV, nice post
I'm glad someone is able to keep their mind open to what Obama will do when he is actually in office. As someone else said, the circular firing squad on DU is getting old.



BTW, if anyone missed it, Lucky 13 made a similar post here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7999540&mesg_id=7999540
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 11:34 PM
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30. thank you for a beautifully written post.
Edited on Fri Dec-19-08 11:38 PM by sweets
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 10:45 AM
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31. As a straight WM I hope Obama changes his mind on having a Bigot officiate.
He needs to reach out to the oppressed more than the Fundies.

They have had a run of the place for 8 years and frankly I am sick of their kind.
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 10:50 AM
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32. wow...right on! Thanks for taking the time to write this. k&r
K & R
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 11:16 AM
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34. K and R
Thanks for the perspective.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 11:53 AM
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36. A good rant.
Though I am mad as hell that Warren is in this ceremony, I see it as a strategic move by Obama. I wish he had done otherwise, but I am in this for the long run. I am an LGBT sympathizer, but as an atheist, it hits me more directly. A trip down to the A&A group will show them to be more sanguine. Most, I suspect, expect these gestures as the cost of doing business. But when creationism comes to the science class, that's when the rage comes out.

It is not inconceivable that Warren's positions could be softened by his association with the Obama presidency. I don't think he'll turn to our side, but his opposition might be muted.

The lesson I remember most from my driver's ed class was to aim high. It helps you stay on the road.

BTW, I'm still mad. I see Warren as a superstitious snake oil peddler. But this is just a symbolic move. It is not policy or governance. That's what we should keep our eyes on.

--IMM
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prostock69 Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 02:41 PM
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38. I agree with you as well.....
I feel Obama reached out to Warren BECAUSE of the gay issue, and because of Prop. 8.

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Richd506 Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 08:06 PM
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39. K & R!!!!!!
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