Anyone Else Tired of Constant Loyalty Oaths?

[QC]

I am.

The first election in which I voted was 1984. I was in college, and this was the time when Reagan was a god among young people. Democrats were about as popular as the clap--out of more than 50 guys in my fraternity, exactly three of us were Democrats.

But I campaigned for Mondale and then sat up and watched him lose 49 states.

Still, in 1988, I voted for Paul Simon, who only got about 80 votes in my county, at least ten of whom were friends of mine. But, that's the way things go, so I voted for Dukakis in 1988, then watched him lose 40 states.

If all this was not enough to kill my loyalty, then I can't imagine what will. I'm a Democrat; I vote like one.

And I think most of us here feel the same way.

Can we give the loyalty oaths a rest for a while?

[cindyw]

1. Sounds good to me.

I just ignore them now.

[bearfartinthewoods]

16. now i'm even getting them via DUmail

it's just the dean team's insecurity bubbling to the surface.

[quinnox]

2. I disagree with the subject of those threads

I never answer them, on individualistic as well as privacy grounds.

[jsw_81]

3. Loyalty oaths

I want each and every DUer to pledge not to post any more silly loyalty oath threads.

[TheMiddleRoad]

4. un-American

I think loyalty oaths are un-American. I loathe them.

My most UN-favorite one is the pledge of allegiance. I could care less about the "god" part (one can abstract god to natural creation if you're inclined). What gets me going is swearing loyalty to a piece of cloth.

Yeah, Yeah, I know about

... And for the Republic for which it stands ...

My point is that people spend too much time waving flags. Patriot Act, wave flags.

Se should be waving constitutions. We should have constitutions and hang constitution banners.

We spend so much time with this pledge thing. Especially in schools. We are teaching kids mindless loyalty instead of informed, responsible patriotism.

I would propose that every morning they read a passage of the constitution. Or some words of our founders. Passages from Common Sense. Anything but the same old mind drumming brainless drivel that the pledge of Allegiance is.

We have a responsibility to challenge authority when it usurps the Constitution. We have a responsibility to voice opposition to the USA Patriot act as it gives dictatorial powers to the attorney general and the President. The president may wrap himself in a flag. But he has no authority to take the banner for his own. It belongs to the people.

[Soul On Ice]

13. What is the matter with you?

Everyone knows it's "the republic for Richard Stands". So, if we could find that Dick, maybe he'd be a shoe-in. LOL

[newyawker99]

18. Hi Soul On Ice!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[FubarFly]

5. Nope.

They are infintely better then the incredibly misguided smear and distortion threads that litter this forum. At least a loyalty thread can perhaps ease some tensions, and help build unity.

Keep them coming.

[Hoppin_Mad]

6. No problem with them - This is the DEMOCRATIC underground

If you won't be supporting the DEMOCRATIC nominee, -no matter whom that might be - you might not belong here. ( and that's in the rules)

I just recently read a post from a new 'DUer" who said they'd vote bush* before they'd vote Dean.

Seems like they're in the wrong forum.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

7. They might be a drag for Dean people

who seem to get most of em aimed their way,
but I bet the supporters of the other guys
would love to have their guys have such a lead
and be asked as often to pledge their party loyalty.
It's a small price. With victory, somebody said,
comes the responsibility of grace.

[Soul On Ice]

15. respectfully disagree

eom

[JVS]

8. Reagan was once a God among young people?

I was young in 1984 but everyone I knew thought he was a miserable son of a bitch, especially the other kids whose parents had been laid off. He was despised in my town.

[Soul On Ice]

14. That caught me eye, too.

Maybe that poster and we were in parallel worlds.

[incapsulated]

9. Although tiresome

They occasionally confirm some suspicions I've had about some very active flame thread starters.

[Crunchy Frog]

10. Amen!

I'm sick of them and I don't think I will respond to them anymore. If people want to think I'm a Republican just because I support Clark, I really don't care anymore, they can think whatever they like. I will feel free to think the same thing about them.

[incapsulated]

11. *psst*

They're all a buncha commies!

[imhotep]

12. its always the same person

that demands everyone to be exactly alike.

[Forkboy]

17. I'm loyal to progressive values

not to any party.