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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 03:44 AM
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Why vote
I'd like to lay out my thoughts here, and hopefully I get some feedback before the obsession du jour drags this topic on essential democratic values into the voraginous bowels of a reality that can't exist outside a permanent state of self-obsession.

I just watched an episode of Law&Order. The premise: a homeless man is beaten to death by another homeless man. The victim suffered from profound mental problems. The fight broke out because the victim refused to share an orange. And the DA couldn't but prosecute for manslaughter: as he said in his closing statement, homeless people have no house, no money, and more often than not, no food... And issuing a verdict of "not guity" -- driven by compassion or whatever other external motivation -- would effectively deny homeless people justice, as well. In true TV drama, the man was found guilty and sentenced to 25 years in prison. The DA's bitter last remark, on his way out of the courthouse: the homeless man was simply transferred from one jungle to another.

Estimates indicate that there are about 3.5 million people, 1.35 million of them children, who are homeless in the US. Another numbing figure, another reality: the US prison and jail population exceeds 2 million people.

Alternate realities, parallel perceptions.

Of all people entitled to vote, only half exercises that right. Only half: I have to repeat that to myself every time I think about it. Apparently, one half of the population considers itself separated from their citizenship and their stake in their society.

The Democratic party and its "politburo" received a stern warning, a corrective message in the elections of November 2000, when many angered and disappointed voters gave their support to Ralph Nader, or simply didn't bother to vote. This, mostly because the feeling prevailed that the Democratic party leadership, and therefore the government that was in office during the previous two terms, had betrayed the liberal wing and deluded itself into believing that a very moderate policy would ensure its survival. After the Floridian fracas and the Supreme Cohort's intervention, Ralph Nader, the Democratic apparatchik, and about 1 in 4 of registered voters were rewarded with Bush.

Also tonight, on CBS 60 Minutes, I saw an item about the so-called "Texas Miracle" - the vicious lie that the toxic Texan had promised to the salvation of the nation's educational system. It became an official lie under the name of "No Child Left Behind"(NCLB) but, as the local CBS affiliate in Houston revealed, it still is a whopper. Instead of the officially reported drop-out rate of 1.5% for the City of Houston, the real number is now believed to approximate 50% - there we go again, half the population thrown in the dumpster. Not surprisingly, immigrants (mostly Latinos/Hispanics) make up a disproportionately high number of the almost 3,000 children that were "disappeared" by the fraudulent bookkeepers working the system set up by the same man who now services the nations' students as federal Secretary of Education.

Kyoto, ICC, Enron, WorldCom, ANWR, deliberate muting of counter-terrorism, Afghanistan, USA Patriot Act I & II, Iraq, CAPPS, rape of the federal budget, arsenic in drinking water, Halliburton, HIPPA, Saudi and Bin Laden money, underfunding NCLB, PNAC, energy companies writing the law, Plamegate, Guantanamo, TIA, broken AIDS funding: a haphazard choice from the national trophies collected in not even 3 three years of government under Bush. Some people saw that freight train coming. Others didn’t:

  • BEGALA: When you ran against Al Gore and George W. Bush, you said there wasn't much difference between them. Now trillions of dollars of tax cuts for the rich from Bush, which Gore opposed, a war halfway around the world, Bush supported, Gore opposed, devastation of our environmental regulations. There was a huge difference, wasn't there?

  • NADER: Well, now there's a difference, because the Bush administration has gone off the rocker. They've put the corporations in charge. The people don't rule here. They have corrupted elections. They've damaged low-income people tremendously. They've enriched themselves with their own tax cut. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, they've enriched themselves with their own tax cut. They want to preserve their inheritance by getting rid of the estate tax.

Yes, we're approaching new elections for the President of the USA.

And frankly, I don't give an F word for who gets to play Al Gore in this charade, and who gets stuck with the role of Ralph Nader.

Wild-eyed attacks on any of the running Democratic candidates should be vehemently fought down as attacks on Democracy itself. Wild-eyed attacks on any of the running Democratic candidates should be vehemently fought down as attempts to re-elect George W Bush, sometimes with the aggravating circumstance of doing so just to reserve a safe pulpit in the margin of power to change things, so as to be able to gloat, crow, chastize or otherwise behave like a sanctimonious saloon socialist. Redbaiting my ass.

It's my freedom, my choice, my vote.

That's why I'll support the nominee of the Democratic Party - come hell, sunshine or Ralph Nader reincarnate. I make the same mistake only once. This year, elections will hopefully be celebrated under close watch for a scrupulous respect of citizens' voting rights.

Would you like it otherwise? Fine. Go for it. But vote and be counted.
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lcordero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 03:46 AM
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1. Because I'm angry maybe?
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Clark Campaigner Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 03:52 AM
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2. I'm not so sure about your premise
"The Democratic party and its "politburo" received a stern warning, a corrective message in the elections of November 2000, when many angered and disappointed voters gave their support to Ralph Nader, or simply didn't bother to vote."

Al Gore recieved more votes than any Democrat in history.
So I'm just not sure that people abandoned the party in droves as you claim.






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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 04:02 AM
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3. True - but that's a circumstantial fact, not that significant
Population grows... Participation overall wasn't significantly higher. The fact remains that government is decided by a few operatives who increasingly have the opportunity to fill the gaping hole left by just 50% of voters.

But I admit that I buried the "deeper" point of that sarcasm-dripping paragraph in its tail: “and <all these people> were rewarded with Bush”
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Clark Campaigner Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 04:05 AM
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4. if you want to look at it as a matter of percentage
Al Gore got 49% of the vote compared to Bill Clinton's 43%...
So I still don't see your premise being valid, taking into consideration population growth even.





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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 04:37 AM
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5. LOL - nitpicking eh!
Edited on Thu Jan-08-04 04:40 AM by NV1962
OK, fair 'nuff - I'm game.

2000 elections results (source)

  • BUSH - 50,456,169 votes
  • GORE - 50,996,116 votes


1996 elections results (source)

  • CLINTON - 45,575,164 votes
  • DOLE - 37,842,625 votes


Looks to me like Clinton got more than 50%... Don't have totals for 1996, so can't look into percentages of votes/totals
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Clark Campaigner Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 04:40 AM
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6. I was talking about 1992
However he got less than 50% in 1996.. it was right around 48% or 49%.
Don't forget there were other people running, including the straight-talking, right-leaning H. Ross Perot - the original "maverick"!


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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 04:47 AM
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7. Ahhhhhhh
OK, I stand corrected & see your point.

Also, finally managed to find the appropriate source for historic presidential elections data: here.

1992 elections:

  • CLINTON - 44,909,806 votes
  • BUSH SR - 39,104,550 votes
  • PEROT - 19,742,240 votes
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Clark Campaigner Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 04:48 AM
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8. Here's the data from 1992
source: http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_1992

Clinton: 44,908,254 votes -- 42.93%
Bush: 39,102,343 votes -- 37.38%
Perot: 19,741,065 votes -- 18.87%






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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 04:52 AM
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9. Uh-oh
Aside from the simultaneous post...

I notice that 11 years after the fact, the totals don't tally. Innocent by magnitude, but still a scary idea...

I don't like e-voting AT ALL. I don't think we're ready yet.
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Clark Campaigner Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 05:10 AM
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10. That's really not a huge concern
The state by state vote totals were solid.
All that matters is a candidate is the clear winner in a given state to recieve all of the electoral votes - which is how we choose a President.

The popular vote, and even the state by state totals will vary, depending on preliminary or final counts.
Many absentee votes go uncounted unless they can play a decisive factor in the vote total for the particular state in which they were cast.

This is why I personally don't put much stock in the talk about Gore winning the popular vote by a mere 500,000 votes across the nation. Since absentee votes go heavily to the Republican historically, a true full vote count could have easily put Bush over the top.
And in the end, the popular vote just doesn't matter.

No matter how you slice it, 2000 was a statistical tie, and if we're going to win in 2004, we need more than the sour grapes Dean brings to the table.







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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 05:26 AM
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11. Agreed - good thing
that we have Wes Clark.

I hope he'll take heed of the solid advice he has within his reach now - but will remain himself. In my opinion, failing the latter is what cost Al Gore the campaign in 2000, in spite of his capabilities (I'm thinking about his MoveOn speech, as a recent example)

No one can beat Wes Clark being Wes Clark.
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jujube2 Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 03:22 AM
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12. that is cause for concern n/t
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